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#102741 - 09/12/15 11:55 AM Refugee Crisis.
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So it seems that the Syrian Refugee situation is getting out of control and all it took was a drowned kid.

There are those determined to help refugees, even if that means dealing with neo nazi death threats.

Is the global economy in peril because of this? Why can't the refugees migrate anywhere but Europe? Is there a real solution for this?

I'd like to know your take on this, since most people I know can't help but ride the emotional rollercoaster.
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#102743 - 09/12/15 01:07 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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One thing this "crisis" has revealed is that the European Union as an idea/ideal/theoretical-creature sounds great... but in practice, the "Union" has a very underdeveloped state of Cybernetics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics

Another thing this "crisis" has revealed is that European Governments in general seem to lack something which Russia, America, and China have: an understanding that what happens in and around regions near one's country eventually causally influences and effects one's counrty, interests, and security. Envirnmental Cognition.

The EU as a meta-organism, will not survive, if it continues to exhibit an underdeveloped state of cybernetics and an underdeveloped sense of environmental cognition.

This crisis also reveals that when some member nations of the EU take on an "egocentered weltanschauung" where they [such countries] think about themselves, in disregard for the needs and interest of the Union [EU] that shit falls apart. Example: the concept of a manditory quota. Justice needs to be applied here where the member nation must balance it's own needs and interest, with the interests and needs of the "European Union."

This crisis may have been mosty averted if it were nipped at the bud by the EU... if it had a sense of environmental cognition. [Allowing Libya and Syria to fester such as they have, without understanding that such neighboring countries' health will causally effects and influences your own counrty].

At anyrate... this "crisis" won't stop. Desertification of Africa, dwindling water supplies, causes more human migration than the wars. Europe is fated to get such influxes of migrants.

I predict only Violence can "fix" the problem in the years to follow. I'm sure many groups are already taking advantage of the situation. The conditions are now very ripe for the return of European Traditionalism and National-Socialism!

In conclusion: ONA.



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#102744 - 09/12/15 04:17 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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Is the global economy in peril because of this
Nope. The global economy prospers because of such fluctuations. Some local economies will suffer, some local economies will prosper. Money is worthless if it does not move... so too are people.

On the other hand, 3,000 people is like 10 battalions. Either too scared to fight for their own homeland (and probably won't fight for the EU, either), or are just being given the go-ahead "come right in and fuck me in the ass"

So if we really want to help these people, reinstate imperialism - problem solved. "Well buddy, it ain't Syria no more - it's the 51st state in the US", all we have to do is just come right out and say "yeah, we're imperialists - and we're out for global domination, and that's not a bad thing because if you're on our side, you're one of us - besides, you will like it \:\) ". The first man off the line gets the point. Hire these refugees to help over-throw the regime.

Imperialism hasn't worked before, but I think that's mostly due to the lack of technology and communication when it has been tried in the past. We now have the means. They can keep their culture too - honey badger does not care.

It's ballsy, but I see no alternative but to assimilate.

The whole "secure our borders" thing isn't going to work - it just won't. Become the macrophage and devour theirs. Don't call us, we'll call you ;\)

It's for the best.

Eventually, one way or another, global citizenship will be the standard - as-in "hi! I'm AK's great-great-grandson, I'm from Earth".

Like the Highlander, there can be only one. The only real question is by which standard will it be run.

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Why can't the refugees migrate anywhere but Europe?
That's a good question. Syria is predominantly Shia. So too is Iran. Iran's very fucking close to Syria - literally next-door. Why Iran isn't pitching-in is way the fuck beyond me - especially since we just lifted sanctions their economy will be up-and-running in no time.

*sighs* I guess time will tell.

In the mean-time hail شيطان بزرگ


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#102746 - 09/12/15 05:55 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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 Originally Posted By: Sargeist
most people I know can't help but ride the emotional rollercoaster.


I wouldn't be surprised since the whole bullshit propaganda of love accompanying the refugee crisis is really annoying. Don't get me wrong. I can understand people who are running away from the war and poverty. It's the survival instinct that pushes these people. However, I also understand the people who don't want the immigrants, at least too many of them, in their country. The Muslims are hard to assimilate and they bring with themselves the threat of terrorist attacks. Certainly, the politicians do their best to convince the general audience that the refugees aren't terrorists but I ask how they know. It's enough that there will be two or three terrorists among the thousands of ordinary people and they will pose real danger. Are we really able to properly screen these people, most of whom don't even have documents verifying their identity? Terrorists are clever people, usually they outsmart the security agencies. There is also the threat of ISIS recruiting the Muslim immigrants from Europe and the USA. As they are unable to assimilate, they are quite an easy target for recruitment.

Then, there is a possibility of economic problems. A reasonable number of immigrants can help the local economy since there are always jobs that the "natives" don't want to do or aren't qualified enough to do. However, as it seems that we are now being flooded with swarms of refugees, it may cause the rise of unemployment as either immigrants will take the jobs from the "natives" or they will be unemployed themselves and then they will live on welfare, and we will all pay for it in the form of higher taxes.

Finally, there is the cultural and religious gap. You mentioned Neo-Nazis but there are many other people who can't stand "the other." Outlawing the radical National-Socialist organizations won't stop the hatred that some people feel. Their number is bigger than the mainstream media are willing to admit. That will eventually lead to conflicts and social unrest. Man is a territorial animal.

Moving on to the bullshit propaganda... it's sickening. There is the pressure put on the EU countries to accept more refugees than they want. All of it is accompanied with threats of economic penalties, the bullshit appeals to the "European solidarity", appeal to emotions "Oh look these poor people, they suffer so much, we must help them" plus heartbreaking photos of the refugee camps, guilt-tripping "it's a test of our humanity" and other manipulative tactics. Poland agreed to accept 2000 of the refugees but there are the demands we accept 10000 or even more. But that's only the beginning. Since the number of the refugees is constantly increasing, it's only a matter of time before these obligatory numbers will be increased.

There is also another problem that the shitty European Union might soon face - the swarms of the refugees coming from Ukraine. The EU is doing nothing to tackle this problem which can soon get out of control. The situation in Ukraine is getting more and more unstable and the German and the French governments kissing Putin's ass is a really nauseating spectacle. I guess we will all pay for it in the very near future.

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Why can't the refugees migrate anywhere but Europe?


And why can't the mosquitoes bite anyone but humans? You know... people are selfish by nature and they are territorial animals. Some refugees could be taken by the rich Arabic countries but nobody really wants this burden.

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Is there a real solution for this?


We could speculate about possible solutions but it's all easier said than done. Closing the borders and building high walls won't stop the desperate people who have nothing to lose. As for nipping the problem in the bud... well, we tried to fix Iraq and Afghanistan, we managed to mess them up a little bit..., then we killed Osama bin Laden... You won't eradicate fundamentalism with bombs. Peace won't help either if the other side doesn't want peace. We had Bin Laden and his minions. Now we have the ever expanding and well-organized Islamic State.

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Is the global economy in peril because of this?


I wouldn't worry only about economy. This shit looks pretty nasty and it might lead to a global conflict. Of course, it won't happen tomorrow, it can take even several decades but the Third World War will come sooner or later, I think.


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#102748 - 09/12/15 06:33 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Poland agreed to accept 2000 of the refugees but there are the demands we accept 10000 or even more. But that's only the beginning. Since the number of the refugees is constantly increasing, it's only a matter of time before these obligatory numbers will be increased.


Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there such a shitty economical situation in Poland that people with college degrees left for the UK just to end up cleaning toilets in order to support their families? If that's the case then wtf is the government doing by accepting refugees.


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#102749 - 09/12/15 08:01 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there such a shitty economical situation in Poland that people with college degrees left for the UK just to end up cleaning toilets in order to support their families? If that's the case then wtf is the government doing by accepting refugees.


It all depends on how you understand "shitty economical situation." What does it mean to be poor? If you can't afford a brand new car, does that mean you're poor? Or does poverty mean not having enough to eat or having nowhere to live? The elections are coming in Poland. The ruling party depicts Poland as an affluent country, which has made a lot of progress, of course thanks to the wise decisions of the government. The opposition paints Poland as the Third World country, half in ruins and among those ruins poor children are starving, and all of this is the government's fault, of course. I guess the truth is somewhere in the middle.

Besides, you don't seem to make a difference between immigrants and refugees. Poles coming to Britain are immigrants. They go there because they want to earn more money, not because they are starving or are persecuted. On the other hand, most people flooding Europe now are the war refugees. They simply want to save their lives.

Poland has always been poorer than the Western Europe and it will probably stay so. Moreover, the society is not used to immigrants as we have never had many of them. So the majority of the society doesn't want the refugees. And since the parliamentary elections are at hand, the opposition doesn't want to share the burden of unpopular decisions with the government. The government is under the pressure both from the EU, which wants it to accept the refugees, and from the society, which doesn't want the refugees here. It's quite apathetic.

You must also take into consideration that Germany, though much richer than Poland, has its limits too. Everyday, there are new refugees and they are also flooding Greece, which has problems of its own. It's the problem of the whole Europe but it can one day become a worldwide problem.


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#102752 - 09/12/15 10:20 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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I really feel bad for the refugees but I think that is a lot because I have too much empathy for my own good plus I have a personal "real life" friend who was a refuggee from Baghdad in Turkey and part of her family had been slaughtered by the taliban.
That's my stance is that we should have empathy.
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#102753 - 09/12/15 10:38 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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 Originally Posted By: antikarmatomic


So if we really want to help these people, reinstate imperialism - problem solved. "Well buddy, it ain't Syria no more - it's the 51st state in the US", all we have to do is just come right out and say "yeah, we're imperialists - and we're out for global domination, and that's not a bad thing because if you're on our side, you're one of us - besides, you will like it \:\) ". The first man off the line gets the point. Hire these refugees to help over-throw the regime.

Imperialism hasn't worked before, but I think that's mostly due to the lack of technology and communication when it has been tried in the past. We now have the means. They can keep their culture too - honey badger does not care.


YES! Oh god Yes! This gave me an orgasm. I love it when you talk dirty politics AK \:\)

We think alike regarding this subject.

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It's ballsy...


It is. But some girls [not me]... and guys... like a man with big balls. Hey, what's that Irish saying: "All patatoes and no meat?"

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"come right in and fuck me in the ass"


Ooh...

But seriously: Imperialism. Time to re-instate it. These people have proven - since their independence from Europe - that they are incapable to ruling themselves or running their own government where that Wellbeing is present in their nation-state. The saying goes: "The proof is in the pudding." Or as Buddha said: "Vipaka."

What needs to be done is that Germany, France, Spain, and Poland - because they are the biggest countries - should each take in a million migrants/refugees. And that Anna Czerada take in some of these stray Muslims to let them live with her and her stray cats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEtbfzMLVWU

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#102754 - 09/12/15 11:30 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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I interpret it this way. No, there is really no where else to go except North.

But, as stated, EU countries are already at the mercy of a tenuous financial situation. Inevitable collapse comes to mind. This is where the "xenophobic" sentiment comes into play.

Where there is economic/civil unrest there is blame to be placed. The obvious choice is the "Muslim problem". Infestation if you will. An influx of refuges is a further destabilization that compounds upon an already present mistrust.

The sentiment (as far as popular opinion in Europe is concerned is), "fuck the refuges and let 'em deal with the situation themselves".

Strategically, this is exactly what the Islamic state wants. A clear passage from Iran to the Mediterranean - which is what this is really about. One side will attempt to solidify power and the other side will use it drum up support for direct intervention. The refuges are pawns.

*Note - I haven't followed this too closely, but based on a cold read of this it appears to be more squabbling over provenance to territory and resources.
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#102755 - 09/12/15 11:36 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Let's look at a few inconvenient coincidences. The Islamic State said that Europe would be its next target. So, it could be claimed that IS is attacking Europe by sending all of the undesirables from the Caliphate to wreck the infrastructure and drain State resources, paving the way for IS to come in and easily push over an impoverished EU, that has already been forcibly Islamicized. This is of course the cynical view of this situation, but sometimes when people have piss bouncing off of their leg, all they want is for someone to tell them that it's rain.
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#102756 - 09/12/15 11:46 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: LordBlyat]
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Has anyone heard of something called the "Greater Israel Project?"

The basic idea of the Greater Israel project is that 1) if and for the State of Israel is to survive into the future it needs to territorilize and become an imperial force; 2) the extended areas and nations surrounding the State of Israel must be "Balkanized," as in broken up into feuding sects such as the case with the Former Yugoslavia. Divide & Conquer.

Here's my wild guess: We're seeing Iraq is fall apart... it will be broken up into perhaps 3 new states one for the Kurds, the Sunnis, and the Shiites. Syria will fracture into smaller nations also. "Something" is going to happen in Jordan which will eventually cause it to fracture also. Likewise with Egypt. This is the Israel Front.

The US Front: bases will be built in Iraq, Afghanistan, Phillipines, Taiwan, Japan... to surround China.

I agree with Anna, WW3 is nigh.

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#102757 - 09/13/15 01:04 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: LordBlyat]
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 Originally Posted By: LB

YES! Oh god Yes! This gave me an orgasm. I love it when you talk dirty politics AK
Oh. In that case, please allow me to nibble on your ear while gently whispering "Richard Nixon".

 Originally Posted By: LB
Hey, what's that Irish saying: "All patatoes and no meat?"
yeap, and it's basically true, ladies - some call it "the Irish curse", but whatever - I use my meat maybe 1/2 an hour a day, anyway - after that it can go back to being compact and generally staying out of my way. Balls, however, these are important things to have all day, every-day, because balls are what it takes to___ mmm___ stand up and fight, rather than piss-off and flee for sanctuary elsewhere. "The fighting Irish."... or maybe we're just over-compensating. Who knows, right?

I read the article, and it's kinda eerie how similar the author's views are to my own. Someone's gotta say it. If they need that much "aid", just step in and take over. Stop pussy-footing around. The state does it all the time with incompetent parents and their children. It's not a bad thing.

What's the alternative? Let the shit get out of hand? It baffles the shit out of me as to why we invaded Iraq, and Afghanistan, and didn't just say "ok, it's ours now - don't worry, people, you can keep your mosques, and dress however the fuck you want".

Closing the borders is clearly not going to work, so the borders - our borders - have to expand. Fuck the Monroe Doctrine - it's a stupid-ass idea, and all it does is facilitate war and tariffs.

Same deal with Mexico. "oh illegal immigrants come across our borders" fuck-it! If it's such a problem, then annex Mexico and there won't be any illegal immigrants. They won't *have* to come to the US. We'll come to them, and they will like it.

One way or another, Earth will be Earth - the only country there is - one, fairly large, cosmic testicle.


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#102759 - 09/13/15 06:01 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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 Originally Posted By: antikarmatomic
So if we really want to help these people, reinstate imperialism - problem solved. "Well buddy, it ain't Syria no more - it's the 51st state in the US", all we have to do is just come right out and say "yeah, we're imperialists - and we're out for global domination, and that's not a bad thing


Easy to say. It's not a question whether it's moral or not but whether it would pay off. In order to rule an invaded country one has to establish order there otherwise it will be more trouble than it is worth. And good luck with ruling the Muslim fundamentalists in total chaos where everyone fights with everyone. The troops would have to be present constantly in order to pacify the motherfuckers and that would cost a lot. Not to mention the casualties among the soldiers and civilians. A guerrilla war is a pain in the ass, especially when the religious fundamentalism comes into play. To that cost, we would have to add the regular pumping of the large sums of money into infrastructure, rebuilding the buildings that were destroyed, building hospitals for the victims of terrorist attacks, treating the war casualties and into welfare and charity as political chaos also leads to economic instability. Soon, it would turn out that the costs of that "imperialism" outweigh the potential benefits.

Unless you just decide to drop a few nuclear bombs into the desired area, patiently wait till the radioactive ashes fall down and the air improves and then move in. You could also treat the bastards with a nice little biological weapon.

 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
we should have empathy.


And we should sit around the campfire and sing kumbaya. Hell, why not roast a few sausages while we are at it? This is the same argument I hear everyday on TV raised by some shitty liberal journalists and our government of slaves.

Here is a problem. It's not that there is a certain number of the refugees that need our help. There is a CONSTANT influx of the refugees that doesn't seem to be coming to an end. Now there is a million of refugees who seek asylum in Europe, if I'm not mistaken (I'm not sure about the numbers). Soon, if the flood doesn't stop, that number will be doubled, then there will be three, then several times more of them.

 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
But, as stated, EU countries are already at the mercy of a tenuous financial situation. Inevitable collapse comes to mind. This is where the "xenophobic" sentiment comes into play.


I think the EU is an artificial construct, it's not natural. I mean... man is selfish by nature and he's a territorial animal. The interests of separate countries will prevail over the so-called European solidarity, especially that more and more people complain about German and French hegemony in Europe. Poland has already accepted thousands of the immigrants from Ukraine and Chechnya and we are now being blackmailed into accepting more of the refugees. It sucks, especially that it won't really solve the problem. We are just curing symptoms now, not the illness itself.


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#102760 - 09/13/15 07:21 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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Unless you just decide to drop a few nuclear bombs into the desired area, patiently wait till the radioactive ashes fall down and the air improves and then move in. You could also treat the bastards with a nice little biological weapon.


That's far too barbaric. Besides, dead people don't pay taxes.

Now, a few well-placed surreptitious EMPs under the guise solar flares... that could work. Take out their grid. At least then, not only are we not unwanted, but actually needed and desired by them. For some areas we may have to let the civil chaos "marinate" long enough - maybe a few months, but eventually they will want our help to rebuild their infrastructure.

They will have no access to the media, so___ while everything is "dark" (so to speak) the primary threats within the pre-existing regime are "disappeared", and when the lights come back on a few months later - thanks to our help, we just shrug and say "your leaders probably abandoned you - afterall, you were without electricity for a very long time. While you went without for so long, they bolted to Argentina, or something - but we're here now, to ensure order and prosperity :)"

And as city by city the lights come back on, the people will read of the news on how their leaders left them, and they will praise us for our charity and good-will; thankful that the grid has been restored after months of going without.
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#102761 - 09/13/15 07:52 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
It sucks, especially that it won't really solve the problem. We are just curing symptoms now, not the illness itself.


That's my main criticism with this whole thing, but there doesn't seem to be much that can be done now to solve it.

However I don't really think governments and businesspeople give a shit, after all they won't be the ones losing their jobs at the hands of refugees.

As for Poland, a Scottish girl (with Polish ancestry) told me about your country's situation. Is it really so bad that doctors have to go work as janitors in the UK to feed their families?
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#102762 - 09/13/15 08:12 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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That's far too barbaric.


LMAO. You know... the first deadly concentration camps weren't devised by the Nazis but by... the British. Google the Boer wars and you will see why the British got sick with their empire. Then compare these hellish minions, Boers, with the Muslim fundamentalists. Who is worse?

Seriously man, leave the dreams about the empire to the Niners. Unless you want to lend a helping hand and nuke the shit out of these Muslim motherfuckers, all to the greater glory of the Dark Lord Voldemort.

@Sargeist
Actually, the doctors' incomes are really good. It's the nurses who earn a rather small amount of money, though there were times it was worse. So it's mainly the nurses who leave Poland, though they work as nurses abroad. Also young people sometimes leave. Their number is however lower than it used to be when we entered the EU due to the economic crisis and anti-immigrant policy. The financial situation of the EU got worse so the Poles aren't welcomed with the open arms and the opportunity to get a job is also smaller than it used to be in the past.
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#102764 - 09/13/15 08:55 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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Well, I acknowledged what you've said but I have absofuckingly no idea how that relates to anything I've typed.

We live in a different era where populations do not exactly have to be gassed and rounded up en masse in order to acquire submission. Just take out their grid and they will plead for your help, within a very short amount of time, and with minimal casualties.

Of course, it does help to know what an EMP is. How about you go Google that.

Nukes are so yesterday - why else would we basically let Iran have them? Because we have something better. \:\)



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#102771 - 09/13/15 09:35 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Hopefully with this world war; nukes and concentration camps are left out, mkay? Who cares who developed it; so long as it ends here. There's already holding and torture camps now so hopefully it goes no further.

Especially nukes. Fuck the nukes.


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#102776 - 09/14/15 12:00 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
Hopefully with this world war; nukes and concentration camps are left out, mkay?

Especially nukes. Fuck the nukes.


You non-Americans are such Pusillanimous emasculated sissified faggot people.

You need to grow a pair of balls, and be more American, and want to nuke shit left and right! Like how we nuked Japan twice!

It's you non-American humans that are fucking up this earth! I'm sick of it. Pusillanimous Pussies.

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#102778 - 09/14/15 09:39 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: LordBlyat]
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I'm not entirely sure whether you're serious or not. I'll take it that you are.

I just have one thing to say; nuclear war = kill us all.


That is all.
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#102837 - 09/16/15 05:52 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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We live in a different era where populations do not exactly have to be gassed and rounded up en masse in order to acquire submission. Just take out their grid and they will plead for your help, within a very short amount of time, and with minimal casualties.


You're talking about conquering a country. I'm talking about maintaining control once it's been conquered. On the other hand, if the US together with Russia, perhaps, doesn't make any decisive move, the Islamic State will pwn us all.

Anyway, it seems the Schengen agreement is coming to an end. Germany locked its borders and Hungary has built the razor wire fence on its border with Serbia. The Hungarian police used water cannons and tear gas to fight the refugees who started throwing stones at the police and tried to break the fence.

Hungary authorities use water cannon and teargas as refugees protest at border

It's interesting that the refugees who camp at the border could walk less than half a mile to register, have their fingerprints taken and claim asylum legally. Many of them don't want to. One of the reasons they give is that the Hungarian authorities don't examine their cases thoroughly before rejecting applications:

Hungary dismisses asylum requests within minutes, say refugees

However, these people crossing the borders without any control is a danger. Many of them don't even have any documents that could verify their identity.


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#102839 - 09/16/15 06:27 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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The source of the problem might be the ISIL state. They might even be a puppet against the Assad regime. It reminds me of a song, "the corridors of power are an ocean away".
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#102849 - 09/16/15 10:03 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda


You're talking about conquering a country. I'm talking about maintaining control once it's been conquered. On the other hand, if the US together with Russia, perhaps, doesn't make any decisive move, the Islamic State will pwn us all.



Luckily I'm in the arse end of the world. ISIS are probably so uneducated that they don't know that New Zealand exists; it was listed the safest place to be if WW3 breaks out - probably mainly for the reason I put above.

One world war and people are desperate to get out of Germany; one world war and people are desperate to get into Germany.

I've heard some rumours over the news that collaborating with Assad isn't that absurd of an idea as far as the western militaries are concerned.
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#102855 - 09/17/15 01:22 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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You're talking about conquering a country. I'm talking about maintaining control once it's been conquered.
Essentially, though I'm more or less like "look, if we're going to go through all the trouble of putting boots on the ground why not go for the gusto? You're already there." For the same reasons I might say "babe, just let me put the tip in" and she says "uhhhh... ok - just the tip :)" - we all know exactly how that turns-out. Such is the way of things. Give 'm an inch and___

Heh, anyway, the point is if you're going to fuck or fight, go balls-deep. Otherwise be prepared for a rather unsatisfactory outcome.

 Originally Posted By: CZ
On the other hand, if the US together with Russia, perhaps, doesn't make any decisive move, the Islamic State will pwn us all.
If by all, you mean the EU, sure - most likely.

 Originally Posted By: CZ
The Hungarian police used water cannons and tear gas to fight the refugees who started throwing stones at the police and tried to break the fence.
Clearly they come in peace. It is a tradition in their culture to throw rocks at their host before entering. Have these Hungarians no cultural sensitivity? Now, a water cannon that spurted tear-gas! \:D - that would be something. Weren't we just bitching about Assad and his chemical weapons? I'll bet if he still had 'm this shit would over right-quick. What's a pimp without a pimp hand? Some hoes be actin' up.

And that's the thing, not long ago it was "oh no! he's using chemical weapons on his own people" "well, ok, since you care so fucking much, they're your problem now - you deal with 'm" is tear-gas not a chemical weapon?

Ya know, it's entirely possible (call me crazy) that these "despots" ruled with an iron-first because that's just the only way to manage these people. It's an entirely different culture, and maybe even an entirely different phenotype.

An allegory:

Picture a really nice guy, who sees this girl who he becomes enamoured with. She already has a guy who, from this "nice-guy"'s point of view, seems to treat to her pretty shitily. After months and months of "leave him, I'll help you leave him - you deserve to be happy", she finally does. Then within a month, she's stalking "Mr Hero", calling him at odd hours, banging on his apartment door, asking him for money to by blow, keying-up his car and smashing out his windows when he refuses, and is just, on-the-whole, pretty fucking psycho, herself - as it turns out.

What I wonder, is, what if the shoe were on the other foot. Say it were Hungary that had the civil war - how welcoming would the citizens of Syria be to the plight of the Hungarians? What I also wonder is what is Iran doing to help? After all, they're both Shia countries - the only two in the Middle-east that I know of. 'Just something to consider.

 Originally Posted By: CZ
However, these people crossing the borders without any control is a danger. Many of them don't even have any documents that could verify their identity
... hold that thought, as you're touching on a point worth considering: that privacy might actually *have* to die in the name of "global security". That "who you are" is known - sans documentation.

 Originally Posted By: SP
I've heard some rumours over the news that collaborating with Assad isn't that absurd of an idea as far as the western militaries are concerned.
Well, not all bad ideas are absurd ;\)


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#102864 - 09/17/15 10:05 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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Luckily I'm in the arse end of the world. ISIS are probably so uneducated that they don't know that New Zealand exists; it was listed the safest place to be if WW3 breaks out - probably mainly for the reason I put above.


It wasn't that long ago that a young man from Australia was killed in Syria (maybe Iraq?) while fighting for the Islamic State. So, the neighbor across the Tasman Sea is on their radar. If they're watching "Lord of The Rings" on their iPhones in their tents on the front line, you're fucked. They'll be there in no time to subjugate those Hobbits!
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#102876 - 09/17/15 10:04 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: mountaingoat]
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 Originally Posted By: mountaingoat


It wasn't that long ago that a young man from Australia was killed in Syria (maybe Iraq?) while fighting for the Islamic State. So, the neighbor across the Tasman Sea is on their radar. If they're watching "Lord of The Rings" on their iPhones in their tents on the front line, you're fucked. They'll be there in no time to subjugate those Hobbits!


Hahahhaha probably; luckily I'm remote; on the top of a mountain 5 hours from anywhere. LOL
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#103916 - 11/14/15 06:07 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Sargeist]
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I will resurrect this topic as the very recent and tragic events in Paris shed some new light on the refugee crisis. Nearly 130 people were killed in suicide bomb and gun attacks in the center of Paris, 90 are seriously wounded and may die at any time. Moreover, it seems one of the terrorists was a Syrian refugee:

In addition, a Syrian passport found near the body of another attacker was linked to a man who entered the European Union through a Greek island last month.

Officials in Greece said the passport's owner entered in October through Leros, one of the islands that tens of thousands of people fleeing war and poverty in Syria and elsewhere have been using as a gateway into the European Union. Molins (the prosecutor) said the Syria-linked attacker was not known to French intelligence services.

If the attack does involve militants who traveled to Europe amid millions of refugees from the Middle East, the implications could be profound.


Eiffel Tower goes dark as France mourns 129 dead

Nobody can really control hundreds of thousands of these people even if they have ID documents with them. The majority of those "refugees" are males. So did they leave their women and children in the war zone? So what the hell are they doing here if they don't have any nefarious purpose? And if they left them in the refugee camps, then they are economic immigrants not refugees.

Most of the killed terrorists in France were the French citizens of Muslim origin born in France. This shows that multiculturalism doesn't work as well as the media and politicians would like us to believe. The Muslims make nearly 20% of the populace in France and Belgium. Most of the Muslims in Paris live in the ghettos on the outskirts of the city, often poor and frustrated, and this only facilitates their radicalization.
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#103922 - 11/15/15 09:51 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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It's easy for ISIS to claim responsibility after-the-fact, much like Bin Laden and 9/11.

Could just be subterfuge, now Obama and Putin are prioritizing and changing game plans to compensate. There must be a public response, otherwise it weakens diplomatic relations and plans in the future. They took the bait publicly but who knows what goes on privately?

If you want to shake up politics, you don't target the obvious (influx of immigrants) you target citizens to cause an act of change.

French Nationals are like "Wait, wait! We should investigate before we act!"

Too late...

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#118187 - 01/27/19 09:07 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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Hate speech and political correctness are two of the biggest covert weapons for an invasion by immigrants into the west. It is working perfectly. Anyone who has studied history and human nature understands that humans are not capable of long term multiculturalism. I believe these immigrants are abusing the naive generosity and stupidity of our new socially engineered culture in order to destroy it from within. Let me tell you a story off the top of my head about roughly how I see this panning out. We'll use China as the superpower and whites as the immigrants. China and its people will represent America and white people and the whites will represent the immigrants.


China has been the world superpower for decades. White people from all over the world who have different values, beliefs and religions continue to immigrate to China both legally and illegally as they are greatly rewarded for doing both. China's government has been covertly infiltrated without the public's knowledge, and they hate the Chinese. They plan to help socially engineer a takeover from within and have China's own population act against its own interests. Pretty Satanic if you ask me.

The medias approach begins with pushing out the narrative that the Chinese should be ashamed of their dominant history and freely allow any white person from anywhere to come and get some unearned benefits simply for existing. Corrupt Chinese leaders push this agenda to get more whites into the country because they are easy to manipulate for votes and bring cheap slave labor. They will also be needed for the long term agenda of overthrowing the Chinese and performing the genocide themselves in the end, keeping the governments image pristine.

The media, along with TV and movies help convince upwards of 50% of the Chinese population over time that if you disagree with multiculturalism, then you're just a Chinese supremacist racist. It works perfectly. They continue to allow white people from all over the world to come in and do whatever they like. Anyone who dares to speak of potential long term issues of allowing so much immigration is branded a racist and ignored. The Chinese population is being emotionally exploited to actually feel good about assisting in their own takeover. Hilarious. As the decades progress, China's culture and way of life get worse and worse, being stolen from them by the whites through their immigration agenda.

It is now considered "hate speech" for the Chinese who see whats going on to even discuss in public. They are being shamed into silence. It's working. The Chinese who see whats going on act on their natural self interest and ignore the covert takeover. Some Chinese people even try building a wall with the support of their own president to help the situation at one point but this is easily combated with weaponized media and language tactics.

A small portion of China's population is trying to figure out if they can convince everyone of the coming disaster. Nobody is listening. Can you believe some of these damn racist Chinese supremacists want to stop the covert invasion and takeover of everything their people had ever built? Ridiculous. Their own Chinese president who is now desperately trying to salvage their very existence is constantly demonized in the media, to great success. He attempts to call out the propaganda media agenda but due to his dehumanized image he has no voice. He has become the symbol of racism and Chinese supremacy. The president is having his usual power removed with constant propaganda. A great tactic. The Chinese are in big trouble, and most of the population are proudly assisting in their own eventual demise.

White people are now greatly out breeding the Chinese. The Chinese better wake up quick or it will be the end of them. The Chinese who attempt to fight the information war against the media giants through alternative journalism are banned, demonetized and dehumanized. Free speech no longer exists. The white people will now inform the Chinese of what reality is in their own country, mainly being everything that goes against China's values and beliefs. Chinese people continue to get demonized for having been the dominant race. It's the perfect takeover strategy. The new method of war.

The successfully brainwashed 70%+ of the remaining Chinese that blindly embrace multiculturalism continue to parade around in their unearned moral virtue like the good little sheep they are. They are completely unaware that their emotions have manipulated them into acting as traitors to their very own country and bringing about its takeover. Idiots. The out-breeding continues. The clock is ticking for the Chinese to take action. The covert invasion by the white people is well on its way to victory. All aspects of China's way of life are now under attack, from their religious beliefs to their value systems to the people themselves.

Things continue to get worse and worse as nature runs its course. Eventually, the grand finale of the invasion has arrived. Civil war. The vilified, now minority Chinese, much to their horror and now deep regret and shame, are exterminated by the angry starving public for being the racist Chinese supremacists that they believe they are. The invasion is now complete and the now white government has a clean record to boot as it was its citizens who were tricked into the grand finale.

It seems psychological warfare can be superior to traditional. Perfectly executed. The whites have successfully taken over with almost no bloodshed and now have full government power and a clean public image. This part of history will now be promptly deleted from existence. History is always rewritten by the winners. Welcome to the game of war.

I know this isn't a perfect metaphor with there being many different types of immigrants and America having lots of guns with likely a smaller chance of being overcome without a fight but still think it paints a decent approximation of whats going on.
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#118190 - 01/27/19 10:40 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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You have imagination, I'll give you that. But actually, it would be much better for the Chinese to be taken over by Americans, for example, than to live as they do now under the communist regime.
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#118191 - 01/27/19 10:51 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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Yes I agree with that. The point I was trying to make is that American people are under covert invasion disguised as immigration that will eventually destroy the white population along with all of their culture, beliefs and values that were critical to building the first world.
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#118202 - 01/27/19 09:11 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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Imagine the magnitude of the trojan horse you are suggesting.
Wouldn't it happen for reasons other than conquest? It's up to you to decide those reasons, but think ahead and think behind first.

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#118203 - 01/27/19 09:36 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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Yes I agree with that. The point I was trying to make is that American people are under covert invasion disguised as immigration that will eventually destroy the white population along with all of their culture, beliefs and values that were critical to building the first world.


Ok, you are either a career proficient button pushing troll or you are completely fucking retarded.

And I am glad you brought up culture and Chinese supremacy.

This is Chinese culture:

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SHANGHAI — One man spent 15 days in a detention center. The police threatened another’s family. A third was chained to a chair for eight hours of interrogation.

Their offense: posting on Twitter.


China does china, and the rest of the world needs to back the fuck off.  They are going to pass America's economy by 2035 and it wont matter. The birthrate is falling due to forced reduction in breeding. Westerners may not argee, but China is the world stage's Chuck Norris image caption.

I will pick a single quote to highlight this character's ignorance.

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China has been the world superpower for decades. White people from all over the world who have different values, beliefs and religions continue to immigrate to China both legally and illegally as they are greatly rewarded for doing both. China's government has been covertly infiltrated without the public's knowledge, and they hate the Chinese. They plan to help socially engineer a takeover from within and have China's own population act against its own interests. Pretty Satanic if you ask me.


Where the fuck do you get that?

That you think white people move to China to be slave labor is amusing. They move there and are the 10%. They invest in China, work in china, and in turn China grants them certain immunities that can be rescinded without cause. You talk like it's Bangladesh and white people are sewing inferior sports equipment together for 34 cents a day.

China does nothing but act in China's interest. Suggesting the contrary shows a complete lack of understanding for how China works.

The day Chinese interests are infiltrated is the day Tibet is recognized.  It is the definition of "Big Brother". Life is authoritative in China.  Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan being the exceptions, having some grandfathered rights people in Shanghai do not.

If there has been a takeover in China it has been financial:

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Tell me western capital influence and mutually beneficial profit margains does not shine through that photo.

It seems totalitarian capitalism is quite feasible so long as it stays there.

 In fact Chinese investment in The Federal Reserve staved off an inflation event. While the two economies could survive without each other that would not be of interest to the financially well off and corporate shareholders.

I would look at the companies like Standards and Poors or another indexer, and see what companies they own.

It is like people don't realize this is already a New World Order. The arbitrary boundaries determine whether or not you can post on Facebook, but even they have an office in Hong Kong.  

The world players are the largest economies and smaller lower GDP financial hubs like Singapore or much of Western Europe.
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#118215 - 01/28/19 04:53 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Guys, it was a completely made up story I made based on nothing to do with reality, it was simply to try and illustrate a point. Perhaps it was a poor way to go about it as I seem to have confused many people. If you read the story from the lens of China representing America being shamed into allowing their country to be overrun by immigrants who are voting against them and replacing them then maybe you will see what I was trying to say.

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#118216 - 01/28/19 04:55 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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Also I do believe the "invasion" I am suggesting is mostly happening unconsciously by the ones doing it, being manipulated by the typical manipulators running the world who operate the government and media.
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#118217 - 01/28/19 05:43 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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In the interest of 'integrity' I somewhat misunderstood your tangent.

I think you may have some bias there. You may have made up the story but it a speaks to a unique pathology.

Regardless if you meant it or not, Western infiltration is a laughable concept. Even their capitalism is distinctly China.

Take Uber. In China, capitalist enterprise is a "what isn't regulated yet" type deal. After heavy meddling from the state, the company was sold for a 20% stake and further cannibalized by state run taxi companies.

That you think that dynamic can be infiltrated is laughable. While there is enterprise, the enterprising part quickly is absorbed by the state unless otherwise granted clearance to operate, so long as Chinese interests are not threatened.

Uber threatened state owned cab companies. Where in that is forced multiculturalism? Their dragon laden folk culture has not died with cell phones. But their contribution to the global financial scene sure as fuck has.

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Also I do believe the "invasion" I am suggesting is mostly happening unconsciously by the ones doing it, being manipulated by the typical manipulators running the world who operate the government and media.


They're fucking with you subliminally aren't they?

For clarity, here is how a standard infiltrated cronyist system works. This one was even in a movie!

In the late 40's Pan Am had a monopoly on the Transatlantic routes until Howard Hughes and TWA challenged that. Hughes was promptly subpoenaed to stand before a senate committee, headed by Pan Am interests, on wasting government contract money after Hughes refused to sell TWA.

That is corruption and infiltration. Immigrants voting left is not. What you talk about is paranoid blather only the scared evangelicals on conspiracy websites consider.

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If you read the story from the lens of China representing America being shamed into allowing their country to be overrun by immigrants who are voting against them and replacing them then maybe you will see what I was trying to say.


What I want to do is go back to the time of the Potato famine. When Irish immigrants were those fucking new folk with their weird hats, shalalees, and see how your position translates.

Fuck bluegrass. It is fucking poor hillbilly celtic mountain folk shit anyway.
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#118218 - 01/28/19 06:40 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Lol, yes I am biased because I can see my way of life and people being uprooted right in front of them and they even encourage it. Calling something "conspiracy theory" is a little old isn't it? We are learning that many of these "crazy conspiracy theories" are actually grounded in reality. This is just one of many weaponized language tactics to shut down conversations that go against main stream narrative.

My observations and research lead me to believe that America is being brainwashed into division and are victims of shaming tactics to aide in the process of their own demise. They actually believe that immigration is a great thing because all of these people will just assimilate into first world culture without any substantial downsides. People want to believe in a fantasy. People think having an opinion grounded in truth makes you a laundry list of stereotypical slanderous labels. This is done on purpose. I am struggling to understand how what I wrote was so misunderstood. I thought I made it quite clear that it was a made up story to illustrate the west's immigration and propaganda problems that are a major threat to a high functioning society.

People seem to have looked too much into the label of China and thought I was speaking of any reality to China's cultural truths and history. It was a label and nothing more. I thought it would be a creative way to illustrate a point, perhaps I was incorrect and just confusing. If someone wants to argue that immigration and propaganda are not a large threat being purposely used to the detriment of citizens and benefit of power and immigrants in the west then I would like to hear it. This would be a contextually accurate rebuttal to my analysis.
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#118219 - 01/28/19 07:36 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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My observations and research lead me to believe that America is being brainwashed into division and are victims of shaming tactics to aide in the process of their own demise. They actually believe that immigration is a great thing because all of these people will just assimilate into first world culture without any substantial downsides.


And what is correct? Just say it:

I am a white nationalist minute-man type that believes white identity is being destroyed by accepting an influx of ways that seek to undermine what made us great.

You are not alone there, but what the fuck does it matter when their social contribution pays taxes?

Shaming tactics? 

So you are suggesting one only feels this way because the brainwashing media tells them they should be accepting of everyone? That immigrants don't truly assimilate and destroy our culture from within by voting against it and negatively altering its trajectory. 

No, the big threat to social well-being is all homegrown, with drug and human trafficking being a notable exception. But those aren't the infiltrating immigrants you allude to so compare crime stats in Dearborn to crime stats in Detroit. They are 7 miles apart.

Here I will do it for you:

2016 Dearborn, MI murder rate: 1.05/100,000
2016 Detroit, MI murder rate: 44.86/100,000

Seems like those Arab immigrants stand apart from the region.

That said, I am not really that accepting of you, but you know, freedom of speech and whatnot. You can say whatever shit you like.

And then I will say I think you resemble an empty-headed AM radio listener with or without a substantial gun collection, and that is me saying what I want. But don't try to call my view "brainwashing", Young Republican type.

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If someone wants to argue that immigration and propaganda are not a large threat being purposely used to the detriment of citizens and benefit of power and immigrants in the west then I would like to hear it.


It's not really a threat or detriment to society as much as the people bitching just sucking at life.

That's the fucking argument. If the greatest threat to your well-being are people you have homecourt advantage to then you have failed, unless you wanted to be accepted to life at a much higher "out of country" tuition rate.

I did not want to throw this out there but the liberal media has told me to call you "xenophobic".

So in turn I want you to counter this:

Estoy tan cerca de la cultura mexicana que una decada oy de saturacion ha hecho me comprende nuevo idioma. ¿Por que?
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#118220 - 01/28/19 09:39 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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This isn't a new tactic. Hell, Hitler dedicated a few chapters in Mein Kampf to it, so that Germans would learn to be as good at it as we. Your age may be showing here, it's a bit naive to believe the U.S. hasn't gone through it in one form of another every decade.

In the 20's, Booze and Organized Crime syndicate
In the 30's, Banking
In the 40's, Communism
In the 50's, Rock n Roll
In the 60's, Sex
In the 70's, Hippies
In the 80's, Occult/Satanism
In the 90's, Pedo Panic and Satanic Panic Part II
In the 2000, Information


All of which cycle through immigration panics, hostil take over of culture, and a loss of The American Way, the American Dream, etc. This type of adversity has been there the moment you were born. What is your way of life and how much has it really been affected by what you see going on in the world?

Maybe you're brainwashed into your own panic but you're too blinded to see it.


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#118222 - 01/28/19 10:25 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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Lol, yes I am biased because I can see my way of life and people being uprooted right in front of them and they even encourage it


Is the white European race and "way of life" really beyond reproach? And what are you protecting anyway? Because there are legions of banjo-doodling, black-tooth-grinning, Jesus-Christ-superstar-fallating rejects, who can't even tie their own goddamn tennis shoes without mom's assistance. And you want to protect that??? Why? Do you assume the white race is the sole progenitor of a superior and homogeneous genetic stock?

Tell me?

What purpose could the world's most capable logic processor serve, if its power source is bled dry, ripped out, and tossed in the refuse bin as though it was an expendable component.

No!

It was not intelligence _alone_ that catapulted your beloved white European race to the pinnacle of human civilization... it was something much more _primal_. It was a fire in the belly! It was a burning desire for excellence!

Intellect is merely the by-product of *WILL*. And if your beloved white European heart no longer *BURNS* for excellence, then, by Satan's glorious name... let the Hell Hammer fall! For the destroyer shall, without pity or mercy... lay *WASTE* to the weak and the feckless! And the superficial appeals and nostalgic laments of this exhausted herd, shall fall on deaf ears! For there is nothing more loathsome and utterly pathetic, than an intellect devoid of passion... and a desire... devoid of excellence!

IN THE NAME OF SATAN...

BRING. THE. HELL-HAMMER. *DOWN*!

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I have stood on the precipice of oblivion,
and gazed upon the abyssal plane.
And there, at origin, it is revealed...
the black mass!
It demands my focus,
and it consumes my attention.
Entranced by the eye,
i am frozen in morbid fear.
Bewildered by wonder,
i am laid naked by its presence.
Churning and seething before me,
this beast of quiet doom,
*RAGES* with an apathy...
beyond _all_ proportion!
--Infinite--
This...
is...
the destroyer of worlds!
Molecular bonds *YIELD* to its power!
Shattering!
Ripping!
Tearing!
Discombobulating!
*YES*!!!
I.
Know.
It.
Desires.
Me.
...
And i,
it.


Edited by KFO (01/28/19 11:05 AM)

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#118225 - 01/28/19 12:26 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: MindFck]
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I agree with you that immigration can become a problem, especially if it gets out of control. If immigrants offer cheap labor and pay taxes, it can actually be beneficial to the host country. It gets worse if they don't work but leech on the welfare system. On the other hand, we have plenty of the natives leeching on welfare too and that they are "the white race" is hardly a consolation.

You can't eliminate migration in the modern world. All we can do is try to control it to some extent. It's easier said than done. While it's definitely a problem, it's not a disaster. There is no conspiracy involved, just simple human nature. It's natural for people living in shitty conditions to want to improve their situation by all means possible. There was a time when plenty of Poles emigrated to Britain in search of better paid jobs. Does that mean we were plotting to take over Britain? Our political elites are too stupid for that kind of a covert operation.
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#118229 - 01/28/19 03:44 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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Take Sweden for example. The culture is so affected that the government refuses to take action against a mass of migrants terrorizing Swedes. Rape, policing morality with gangs, property theft and damage, etc. All of that affects citizens. The government is tip toeing around the issue because it doesn't want charges of Xenophobia or being considered oppressive to the refugees. The same applies in the UK, where the government is essentially allowing Sharia Law to take over. An invasion and conquered people doesn't have to be so overt.

This is why Poland was strong in its position of taking migrants. It has experience with this sort of thing from a historical stand point. A big fat NO, is the only reasonable answer.
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#118230 - 01/28/19 04:10 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: KFO]
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 Originally Posted By: KFO

Is the white European race and "way of life" really beyond reproach? And what are you protecting anyway? Because there are legions of banjo-doodling, black-tooth-grinning, Jesus-Christ-superstar-fallating rejects, who can't even tie their own goddamn tennis shoes without mom's assistance. And you want to protect that???


Yes, there's those people. Then there's the other white people that created the first world and invented and innovated almost everything that's still of value in 2019.
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#118231 - 01/28/19 06:46 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Yes this has happened many times before. I feel it may be too late already to salvage the west though. People have been under such heavy brainwashing to hate white people and have white people hate themselves to even be able to stand up for themselves or to understand what is going on. Moreover, the west is being heavily feminized and having their entire culture, beliefs and values replaced.

It is quite ridiculous that every race can be so proud of their race, culture, history and beliefs but if you're white and behave the same you are deemed a racist white supremacist. It really is a genius war strategy I will give them credit. I believe the west will succumb to these tactics entirely soon enough. If any white people even attempt to fight what is going on and organize they will be viciously verbally assaulted or worse. Genius scheme here. Ah well, I can respect a well executed war tactic even if its as embarrassing a defeat as I expect.

That said, if you import the third world, corrupt everything and replace white people, I don't expect things to turn out very functional. Pretty sure we are witnessing humanity's socially engineered destruction. It seems our only hope is the new information age educating enough people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8DCD0CRHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwFshwxECq0

Two excellent videos on this topic.


Edited by MindFck (01/28/19 07:06 PM)
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#118233 - 01/29/19 12:01 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: KFO]
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 Originally Posted By: KFO
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Lol, yes I am biased because I can see my way of life and people being uprooted right in front of them and they even encourage it


Is the white European race and "way of life" really beyond reproach? And what are you protecting anyway? Because there are legions of banjo-doodling, black-tooth-grinning, Jesus-Christ-superstar-fallating rejects, who can't even tie their own goddamn tennis shoes without mom's assistance. And you want to protect that??? Why? Do you assume the white race is the sole progenitor of a superior and homogeneous genetic stock?

Tell me?

What purpose could the world's most capable logic processor serve, if its power source is bled dry, ripped out, and tossed in the refuse bin as though it was an expendable component.

No!

It was not intelligence _alone_ that catapulted your beloved white European race to the pinnacle of human civilization... it was something much more _primal_. It was a fire in the belly! It was a burning desire for excellence!

Intellect is merely the by-product of *WILL*. And if your beloved white European heart no longer *BURNS* for excellence, then, by Satan's glorious name... let the Hell Hammer fall! For the destroyer shall, without pity or mercy... lay *WASTE* to the weak and the feckless! And the superficial appeals and nostalgic laments of this exhausted herd, shall fall on deaf ears! For there is nothing more loathsome and utterly pathetic, than an intellect devoid of passion... and a desire... devoid of excellence!

IN THE NAME OF SATAN...

BRING. THE. HELL-HAMMER. *DOWN*!

 Originally Posted By: "The Red Magus Speaks!"

I have stood on the precipice of oblivion,
and gazed upon the abyssal plane.
And there, at origin, it is revealed...
the black mass!
It demands my focus,
and it consumes my attention.
Entranced by the eye,
i am frozen in morbid fear.
Bewildered by wonder,
i am laid naked by its presence.
Churning and seething before me,
this beast of quiet doom,
*RAGES* with an apathy...
beyond _all_ proportion!
--Infinite--
This...
is...
the destroyer of worlds!
Molecular bonds *YIELD* to its power!
Shattering!
Ripping!
Tearing!
Discombobulating!
*YES*!!!
I.
Know.
It.
Desires.
Me.
...
And i,
it.


Most people from other cultures right now who claim to have "the fire" often seem to lack anything substantial beyond that. And white people haven't lost our fire. We just don't define ourselves by it.

As far as Satan is concerned, he mostly watches a lot of people chase their tale who have fire but no ethics to back it up. I see people revel in just wantan destruction and greed and cruelty and Satan has no love for such people. He validates them until he claims them. End of.

As far as weakness is concerned, I've been known to use it against those as a vampiric tool for those with a lot of masculine energy and no ethical stability. I remember as a kid when I was overwhelmed with masculine energy and found myself feeling a bit scared at those who were weaker than me. I didn't understand their weakness and so I had deliberately made myself weaker at the time to understand what I was afraid of.

And it is precicely that weakness that those who feel strong in masculine energy are vulnerable to psychic vampirism for a mindset they are ill equipped to understand.

I've been known to use this insight as means against my enemies to great success, and has left me with invulnerably strong character and spiritual stability that many of my adversaries lack.

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#118234 - 01/29/19 12:43 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: samowens84]
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Let's see if this development is as good as a wall, at least another deterrent to coming here. This anthrax island reminds me of what Hannibal was offered in Silence of the Lambs. Perhaps they will find pragmatic use for them there as human test subjects.
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#118239 - 01/29/19 09:53 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: aeon6]
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It's been rumored that this has been Denmark's plan since at least 2015, and nada. They haven't done it. At best, they shut down the railways for a time to slow down the number of migrants entering the country. They've issued public statements that these migrants must conform to Denmkark, or leave. Nothing. When this was published, they hadn't even voted on their 2019 finance bill.

THIS is more likely. Not much different than other countries that have an overflow of Refugees. They have the citizens finance housing centers and programs, and that's what people are so pissed off about.

Taxes that are meant for citizen programs and infrastructure are now spent on new arrivals from other countries. And often because the government decided to get involved in proxy wars. It's always propagated that its in the best interest of [fill in the blank country]'s people to fight these wars, and at their expense. For some shiny new turd in the future. Whether that be economic growth, a drop in inflation, or some unattainable goal like peace or some shit.

Rinse & Repeat
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#118252 - 01/29/19 09:01 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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Don't forget the spin cycle.
A cycle like the tornado now underway stretching resources and also people's patience and kindness. Withdrawing from UN immigration quotas is one of many tactics and only the beginning of a more exclusionary society. Once the initial storm is over we must prepare for even more successive waves of people who envision a shiny turd. WTF can't they remember the infamous cartoons? Ironically they go to what pisses them off instead of the opposite direction, a sort of sociological double-entendre.

But enough of it already. I find that my sympathy for the plight has been exhausted. What happens when everyone feels that way? No nonsense solutions, maybe draconian.

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#118313 - 02/01/19 07:09 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

This is why Poland was strong in its position of taking migrants. It has experience with this sort of thing from a historical stand point.


Indeed. Not only did we block the invasion of stinking Arabs but we are striving to poison the whole of Europe with our sick cows meat.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/poland-exported-5500-pounds-of-meat-from-sick-cows-to-eu

The days of the EU are counted. Soon all the EU officials will have epic diarrhea.
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#118315 - 02/01/19 07:18 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Czereda]
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Looks to me like they ARE epic diarrhea. I don't quite know what to say about Europe right now. The whole West in general is going to be fucked beyond repair if people don't get their shit together. France of all places made an actual effort. About time.
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#118350 - 02/02/19 06:23 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Tom Satanic]
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But just like that silly Occupy movement, France has already lost focus. Give it time, the military will have to move in to restore order. Then it’s back to the same old business. People in large mobs want too many things at once and in too many different directions. It’s just chaos. All chaos is organized once again. Doesn’t always turn out as expected. Their single achievement was blocking the fuel tax. That was weeks ago. Now? It’s just watching it all burn for the joy of it.
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#118364 - 02/03/19 02:57 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
Tom Satanic Offline
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
It’s just watching it all burn for the joy of it.


Amen!

I think they were also mad about the government going against their responsibility to give the people a safe place to live, what with all the no-go zones. A lot of shit. A shit hole is a shit hole, and it probably will likely get worse in some way before it gets better, at this point.

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#118368 - 02/03/19 03:38 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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Shit is still going on.
But lost its media-coverage.

Currently the situation has difused a bit as he urged citizens to contact their local authorities for the grievances.
"Grand debate" it's being called.

He's a bit more wary now, knowing with the next set of political changes he'll be under scrutiny again.
As per usual, it became politics again as so-called "leaders" of the movement formed a political party.
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#118400 - 02/04/19 12:15 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dimitri]
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It's getting coverage. I see it daily. What I'm saying is, at this point it's just anger and chaos. Nothing more can be accomplished by it. I don't even think it's established a fear of the people. I've seen plenty of government officials assault the yellow jackets without fear of consequence. It's just crowd control, to the best they can manage. The Fuel Tax is not likely to arise again soon, but there will always be complaints. You can't appease them all. That's why I mentioned Occupy specifically. That was a hot mess too, what started as a focused movement quickly became whatever people were angry about. Throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.
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#118445 - 02/06/19 02:55 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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Paris isn't too far away from here.
Had seen its rise up close, and seeing the state it is in now.

Occupy never went away either.
It merely dissolved into something else.
Up here it came back under the yellow jackets-movement.
Pretty sure, in time and with other clowns, the parade will return.

Weak times without strong men and leaders.
Hence the rise of "Social Justice".
Things are boiling and the movements merely led off a bit of steam.
Shit's on fire.


Edited by Dimitri (02/06/19 02:56 PM)
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#118448 - 02/06/19 05:19 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dimitri]
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But you're missing my point here. Occupy is nothing in particular, nothing specific. Likewise the Yellow Jacket Movement has dissolved into the same sort of thing. You don't see Occupiers on the streets burning shops to the ground. You see a few isolated protests for this and that and then people disperse and go back to their lives.

At some point, the same thing will happen in France. Whether by force of Law, or lack of interest.

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#118450 - 02/06/19 07:34 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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It could very well dissipate, but I think the French people have shown that they are prepared to act if necessary. It seems to me a more rounded movement than antifa. Actually anything is better than that.

Things could still go further, since a lot of issues are yet unresolved.

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#118457 - 02/07/19 12:24 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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I doubt I did.
Both are the same.

Occupy "whatever" in its initial days had a goal.
More and more people jumped on the bandwagon and its initial point got lost.

Hence my commentary remains.
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#118473 - 02/07/19 04:50 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dimitri]
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Sigh... Dimi. Maybe read slower? You have missed my point completely.



And Tom, the French government have already passed a bill to prevent public protesting of the government. Think it will hold?
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#118482 - 02/07/19 09:33 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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I don't know. That is up to the protesters in how far they want to go. There have apparently been many laws passed in recent years that the French are not happy with, so the riots are no surprise. I can't trust the mainstream media, the yellow vesters they interview say they don't know, or that peaceful protest is better than "riots." I do wonder if that is the mentality of the larger number.

Situations like this are an opportunity for govrenments to imply more laws and restrictions, which are only escalated in their terms after the storm blows over. The only option then might be to push for completely new reps and laws, which to address your question, might be the only way of making anything last.

I suppose if the government were more concerned they would be more hesitant in making such laws so quick.

Time will tell.


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#118485 - 02/08/19 12:22 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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Or perhaps you are bullshitting.
Here's the difference. I see that shit up close.
I am experiencing that shit up close.

It is not that I missed your point.
Your point is simply incorrect.


Edited by Dimitri (02/08/19 12:23 AM)
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#118486 - 02/08/19 04:01 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dimitri]
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[Non Sequitur Reply]

I find it interesting that if 19 entitled trust fund hajis, and their leader, Mr. Epitome of Trust Fund himself, had not concocted their plan this thread wouldn't exist at all, considering the majority of the refugees are from countries destablized by the US.

I really have nothing to add though.

Is it Irony that those trying to destroy "The Great Satan" ended up being the greatest Satan of them all?
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#118504 - 02/08/19 11:44 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Phoenician]
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This thread might not exist in that case. But you have added plenty to ponder for the "layman". Destabilization of countries by the usa is part of a grander symptom of its military-industrial complex, bent on subjugating the world and "defending freedom" for what boils down to its wasteful consumerism. Yet their battle for resources including oil, extends also to belligerent displays of patriotism for the T-rump, and "saving the world" delusions. Meanwhile imprisoning the greatest population of incarcerates on earth.

THIS
is but one of many counterpoints.



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#118507 - 02/09/19 05:25 AM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: aeon6]
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Yeah, you're so happy! Your words are so full of joy and enthusiasm! Man I need a good sermon! C'mon! Preach it to me! Tell me all about it!

https://youtu.be/SqQflLOznfA

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#118511 - 02/09/19 01:41 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: aeon6]
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THIS [critique] is but one of many counterpoints.


With my enthusiasm fully curbed, i followed your link expecting to read, yet another, America-hating diatribe (which tends to be the case for most critiques of American society). However, to my surprise, i found the main argument of the article (though, being quite repetitive at times), to clearly elucidate the pathological root of American society. So, bravo for that!

However, while i'll admit the author has a firm grip on the emotional forces that drive American social strata, he as, as most critics of America tend to do, linked the bizarre violence of America to the wrong source, namely: the Darwinian-LITE nature of our social apparatus. But this assumption, is merely a superficial interpretation based on judgements formed on false data spread by the toxic media. Media that is totally unhinged. And owes it's very, putrid existence... to the magnification and propagation of controversy, ad nauseam!

In fact, i can only assume that the "dear critic" has never toured the USA, else, he would be enlightened to discover, that Americans are some the most docile, anus-sniffing sheep, on the face of this fucking planet! How else could foreign nationals, carrying nothing more than box cutters, hijack commercial aircraft without being stomped to a hemorrhaging, bone-wrecked, flesh-bag, pour-their-liquefied-remains-into-the-latrine-and-evacuate-it-over-international-waters... PULP! Well there's only one path to such defenseless ends... and it's the result of a systematic pussification, engendered from birth to death, creating a society of sniveling, unarmed cowards, who are dependent on authority figures during every waking moment, for their collective safety and salvation.

"Cursed are the lambs; for they shall be bled whiter than snow!"

Those passion-depraved cretins! Those brain-dead drones! Who mill-about our streets, coming and going, with no sense of purpose; save that, which has been allotted to them!

No! This latest "dear critic", does not understand the meekish-madness that has gripped these people. The American of today, is not the American of the pre-revolution days; who was full of spirit and pride. Does the "dear critic" assume, a modern American has the gusto to challenge a rival in the street; or the fortitude to head-out into the wild country, with nothing more than the clothes on their their back, and a unyielding determination to adapt and overcome? No! But, realize it or not... O' "dear critic", this was the untamed spirit of early American settlers.

So what happened to that untamed spirit?

Well, it didn't just vaporize into the ether.

it was suppressed!

Yes. The wild spirit lives -- even today! -- but chained and shackled it is, in the visceral dungeons of every American that mills-about these streets of gloom. But this spirit is never allowed to express itself, no; not even in the slightest way! Thus, why should any American critic be surprised to discover, that in a society in which all forms of violence are suppressed and shoved deeply down into these visceral voids, that the only forms of violence that can break through these bonds and manifest themselves in reality, are the most depraved and desperate acts of all.

Thus, the critics who judge American society to be some sort of "mad-max-dystopia", are frame-studying prey animals, who's senses are overwhelmed, by a sensationalized media elephant, who dominates and defecates in the room. The reality is, these incomprehensible events are not a result of a hedonistic violence running rough-shod through our streets, no; the reality is, these depraved acts, are the natural result, of systemically suppressing violence to such an UN-natural degree, that such acts are literally -> inevitable!

 Quote:

How rich this degenerate world is in small, petty-souled, good-for-nothings, who are
forever excusing their infantile ineptitude behind some plausible phrase — some
conventional make-believe? Courage, I say! Courage, not goodness, is the great desideratum — courage that requires neither tin horns, nor calcium lights, nor brass bands, nor shouting multitudes to call it into effective action. But courage that goes its way ALONE , as undauntedly as when it marches to ‘victory or death’ amid the menacing stride of armed and bannered legions.



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#118533 - 02/11/19 12:25 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dimitri]
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I'm not bullshitting. I'm repeating that you have missed my point, and since you believe you understood me, then replied well? I guess you'll continue to be convinced that you did. And since this reply right here, distills it? I'll leave you to your service.
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#118538 - 02/11/19 02:50 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: SIN3]
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Try again when sober.
That was some serious garbledook you wrote there.
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#118575 - 02/12/19 12:03 PM Re: Refugee Crisis. [Re: Dimitri]
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Obvious scapegoat is obvious. I know English isn't your first language, but c'mon Dimi. READ and understand before replying.
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