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#1036 - 10/10/07 07:42 PM The Revolution Has Already Been Won
Dev Samael Daval Offline
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The Revolution Has Already Been Won - Part 1

The Revolution Has Already Been Won - Part 2


I'm looking forward to your feedback.

In service,
Dev Samael Daval
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#1039 - 10/10/07 09:16 PM Nothing is Won... [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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First off…

“Barter is the universe's natural system of currency. It is the free and willing exchange of something of tangible worth with something else that is of worth to an individual.” ~ Dev Samael Daval

I believe you are touching on communism… While real silver and/or gold will retain a value in any money system I would rather put my chips in ingots not coins or paper…

Everything in your video and this Liberty dollar website just screams sales scam… I mean seriously… This is almost too asinine to believe… We are to believe that people who had $20 pieces I am assuming they were coins made from $20 worth of actual silver, made a profit when silver prices doubled… Why sure they did if they sold said coins for the metal they were made of… No other way if the value is concurrent with the dollar…

“Have Fun” “Do Good” “Make Money”

All this doing little to nothing at all… You know what they say… I was not surprised at all to hear you say contact me at the end of your video…

Good luck marketing to the sheep…

~T~
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#1041 - 10/10/07 10:57 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: ta2zz]
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I believe you are touching on communism… While real silver and/or gold will retain a value in any money system I would rather put my chips in ingots not coins or paper…




Early America must have been formed by a bunch of conspiring commies because they had the idea that 'He who has the money has the power' and the people should have that power.

The only difference between a coin and an ingot is the shape and weight. Of course, the criminal Federal Reserve does not allow Liberty Dollar to call gold and silver Libertys "coins", but that's another story.

What do you have when you separate your ingot into small flat round things?



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Everything in your video and this Liberty dollar website just screams sales scam… I mean seriously…


Then we really need to contact one of the criminal branches of our government and kindly inform them that a presidential candidate appears to be backing a sales scam.



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This is almost too asinine to believe… We are to believe that people who had $20 pieces I am assuming they were coins made from $20 worth of actual silver, made a profit when silver prices doubled… Why sure they did if they sold said coins for the metal they were made of… No other way if the value is concurrent with the dollar…



I suggest some serious study of the monetary system and the Federal Reserve.



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“Have Fun” “Do Good” “Make Money”

All this is doing little to nothing at all… You know what they say… I was not surprised at all to hear you say contact me at the end of your video…

Good luck marketing to the sheep…



I'll send you an ingot purse with steel ribbing for when you need to go to the market. Let me know how that works out for you.


By the way, Liberty Dollar offers the service of being able to design your own coins. So you could easily get a coin made. Imagine a Ta2zz Liberty that has your mug on one side and an image of you straining to haul a cart full of ingots to the market on the other.

A 600 Club Liberty would be a fun idea. Thousands of years from now it'd be quite the collectors item.


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Dev Samael Daval
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#1042 - 10/10/07 11:04 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: ta2zz]
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There is one universal law.

"The Mafia does not like competition."

The government is simply the most influential Mafia in the USA. If they felt the Liberty Dollar was a threat, they would simply kill them all in a Wako like operation. My thought is that the government is simply waiting until that companies treasury gets to the point where it would be worth the hassle to confiscate it.

Now let me be very clear to the board here. I truly believe that the US Dollar is dead. The government is intending to replace it with the Amero. A new currency similar to the Euro. There are real news articles where officials refer to this plan. Simply Google it for proof.

Because of this, I seriously recommend you all start converting some of your savings into Euros, Gold coins, or Silver. This will protect your savings as the Dollar collapses. As of 10-10-07 silver coins can be gotten for $15 US, 1/10 oz Gold coins for $90 US, and Euros for $1.40 each.

For those ignorant of how the Dollar works, Originally the Dollar was based on Gold. What that actually meant was that you could go to a bank and trade your Dollar for a specific amount of Gold or Silver. When the government stopped this process, they needed some way to stabilize the Dollars value. They did this by using politics. What they did was made the US Dollar the currency for all oil trades. So basically the Dollar became linked to the price of oil.

Within the last few years, more and more countries have dropped the dollar as a means of trading oil. This has resulted in serious instability in the Dollar that is unrivaled in modern history.

Google "Peso at all time high Dollar" or "Canadian Dollar passes US" You will find the recent news articles talking about foreign curacy values Showing record rises against the Dollar. What this means in English is that the Dollar has fallen in value against those curacies. In other words, the dollar is worth less.

So what does this mean?

Its simple. For the first time in history the Dollar is no longer anchored to anything at all. Its flying all over the place like a kite circling in the wind. Its a very catastrophic situation and the reason the government isn't worried about it is that they intend to retire it. They simply intend to replace it with a new money system.

Let those who have understanding reckon; The Ant and the Grasshopper.

Chris



Edited by MCSA TEK (10/10/07 11:04 PM)
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#1045 - 10/11/07 12:55 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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 Originally Posted By: Dev Samael Daval
Early America must have been formed by a bunch of conspiring commies because they had the idea that 'He who has the money has the power' and the people should have that power.


What does that statement have to do with this?

“Barter is the universe's natural system of currency. It is the free and willing exchange of something of tangible worth with something else that is of worth to an individual.” ~ Dev Samael Daval

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What do you have when you separate your ingot into small flat round things? The only difference between a coin and an ingot is the shape and weight.


You answered your own question… A specific weight of said precious metal… Or simply smaller ingots…

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Then we really need to contact one of the criminal branches of our government and kindly inform them that a presidential candidate appears to be backing a sales scam.


Seriously now…

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I suggest some serious study of the monetary system and the Federal Reserve.


Then perhaps it is best off done without an infomercial…

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I'll send you an ingot purse with steel ribbing for when you need to go to the market. Let me know how that works out for you.


Something in leather would be nice… Actually a small kit with tin snips and a digital scale would do…

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By the way, Liberty Dollar offers the service of being able to design your own coins. So you could easily get a coin made.


Did this sell you on the idea?

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A 600 Club Liberty would be a fun idea. Thousands of years from now it'd be quite the collectors item.


YES just like Lincoln and Kennedy dollars, quite the collectors items… If these coins are of precious metal then perhaps you might need a scale and snips still…

Good luck spending self designed coins at any real business…

When and if a revolution happens it will not be so easily won… If you were simply trying to sell us on this I would say fool on me if I bought into it but I really think you believe this…

More power to you…

~T~

P.S. You can easily embed your videos here… No need to send us to youtube…


Edited by ta2zz (10/11/07 12:57 PM)
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#1048 - 10/11/07 01:30 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: MCSA TEK]
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Hello Chris…

 Originally Posted By: MCSA TEK
The government is simply the most influential Mafia in the USA. If they felt the Liberty Dollar was a threat, they would simply kill them all in a Wako like operation. My thought is that the government is simply waiting until that companies treasury gets to the point where it would be worth the hassle to confiscate it.


Who uses this new money? Who accepts it? If somebody tried to pull them out to pay for a tattoo I would first laugh and then tell them to hand me real money… For if I barter for necessities, precious metal, or gems the cost would be worked out in advance… This has supposedly been around for two years now? Who has heard of it before now?

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Now let me be very clear to the board here. I truly believe that the US Dollar is dead. The government is intending to replace it with the Amero. A new currency similar to the Euro. There are real news articles where officials refer to this plan. Simply Google it for proof.


I agree with this for the most part…

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Because of this, I seriously recommend you all start converting some of your savings into Euros, Gold coins, or Silver.


I agree but are you paying weight value or intrinsic value? That is why I choose ingots…

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This will protect your savings as the Dollar collapses. As of 10-10-07 silver coins can be gotten for $15 US, 1/10 oz Gold coins for $90 US, and Euros for $1.40 each.


This is what I am talking about the best I can find with a 1 minute search is;
Prices at close on October 10, 2007
spot gold price: $740.50 Oz.

This puts 1oz of gold coins at $900 or roughly a $150 profit for the government… Weighed ingots anyone?

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For those ignorant of how the Dollar works, Originally the Dollar was based on Gold. What that actually meant was that you could go to a bank and trade your Dollar for a specific amount of Gold or Silver.


Was there ever any gold at fort knox?

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For the first time in history the Dollar is no longer anchored to anything at all. Its flying all over the place like a kite circling in the wind. Its a very catastrophic situation and the reason the government isn't worried about it is that they intend to retire it. They simply intend to replace it with a new money system.


Perhaps the rumored electric chip system… How much better for them money that is only supported by bytes in a computer… Then if you cause dissent your chip can simply be turned off…

Every civilization before us has built up to become corrupt and fail… Why expect anything different? Perhaps some were not expecting this in their lifetime… I myself began seeing this in “89-90” nothing surprises me on this issue…

Where will you be when privately owned gold and silver becomes illegal?

Let those who have understanding survive the coming storm as best we can…

Peace

~T~
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#1051 - 10/11/07 04:30 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
I agree but are you paying weight value or intrinsic value? That is why I choose ingots…


Gold bars are valuable and you pay closer to the actual cost of the Gold. This means less mark up. But when it comes to sell them, the dealers often require they be certified or appraised. This adds extra steps and time to the sale.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
This is what I am talking about the best I can find with a 1 minute search is;
Prices at close on October 10, 2007
spot gold price: $740.50 Oz.

This puts 1oz of gold coins at $900 or roughly a $150 profit for the government… Weighed ingots anyone?


The spot price sounds correct. There is a handling fee that coin dealers add to the price of the coin, and also the coin itself has value because a certain coin can become rare or popular. A 2007 1oz Gold Eagle Coin costs around $760 US. The reason 1/4 oz are so much more expensive is because there is around $19 of coin and handling fees per coin. But if your like me and cant afford to throw $760 at a coin dealer, then the $200 1/4 ounce coins are much more reasonable.

Just remember Gold went from $570 an ounce to $740 in one year. You can Pull up the ten year graph and see for your self the reason that even a tiny $20 mark up is worth it.

GOLD

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Where will you be when privately owned gold and silver becomes illegal?

AH! Now that is the problem. The US government banned the private ownership of gold in the 1920's-1930's. The out come of this was mass confiscation.

So yes, there is a definite concern.

Chris
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#1053 - 10/11/07 04:45 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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 Originally Posted By: Dev Samael Daval


By the way, Liberty Dollar offers the service of being able to design your own coins. So you could easily get a coin made. Imagine a Ta2zz Liberty that has your mug on one side and an image of you straining to haul a cart full of ingots to the market on the other.

A 600 Club Liberty would be a fun idea. Thousands of years from now it'd be quite the collectors item.


In service,
Dev Samael Daval


Actually that does sound interesting.

How much would a 600 Club Coin cost us? The cost of gold and silver often drops when buying in bulk. Perhaps several of us could chip in for a group buy.

That is assuming the prices are reasonable.

Chris
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#1054 - 10/12/07 12:03 AM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: MCSA TEK]
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 Originally Posted By: MCSA TEK
Gold bars are valuable and you pay closer to the actual cost of the Gold. This means less mark up. But when it comes to sell them, the dealers often require they be certified or appraised. This adds extra steps and time to the sale.

What is the difference between this and a self styled metal liberty disk? Remember this is where we started...

~T~
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#1106 - 10/16/07 01:44 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: ta2zz]
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I just came across this. Its from the same company. I rather like these.






Here is the LINK
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#1108 - 10/16/07 02:08 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: MCSA TEK]
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Hmmm intrinsic value and a ½ ounce of silver for $10… Since silver is currently $13.63 an ounce… Again I ask who accepts these coins? Are we being fooled in yet another moneymaking scam?

I have no relations with this website but they seem to offer silver at .29 cents over spot… In pretty one-ounce rounds or bars…

LINK

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#1111 - 10/16/07 05:01 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: ta2zz]
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As a coin for purchasing things, almost no one accepts them. But in Coin collecting, these would be considered "tokens". Some collectors collect tokens, but their value is seldom as high as a true coin of the same precious metal.

Now, also don't forget that there are War memorabilia collectors who would be very interested in WW2 era war and anti-war items. So its conceivable that in 50 or 60 years the value of a silver Gulf War Era token "protesting the war" would also fetch a good price.

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#1114 - 10/16/07 06:19 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: MCSA TEK]
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We originally started with this being something about winning the revolution or an infomercial or something...

This turned into a chat about the use of gold or silver to procure the necessities in life should the dollar crash as it appears it will... Saving the value of your money by converting it to gold or silver...

Somehow we are now on intrinsic value 40 - 50 years from now...

;\) Peace

~T~
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#1156 - 10/17/07 04:35 PM Re: Nothing is Won... [Re: MCSA TEK]
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Almost no one accepts them? Ninety-five percent of businesses will accept the Liberty Dollar.

Using a Liberty is as simple as using a UNITED STATES INC. silver dollar.
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#1176 - 10/18/07 10:36 AM Re: Nothing is Won... (or scams even here) [Re: Dev Samael Daval]
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 Originally Posted By: Dev Samael Daval

Almost no one accepts them? Ninety-five percent of businesses will accept the Liberty Dollar.

Using a Liberty is as simple as using a UNITED STATES INC. silver dollar.


Why I must continue to thank you for not letting this amusing subject drop… A simple Google search to try to back up your claim of 95% of businesses accepting the ALD leads me to this page…

ALD FAQS

While reading through the FAQS I stumble across a few realizations…

14. How can I use the Liberty Dollar?
Simply offer the Liberty Dollar in any of its forms: paper, silver or digital, in payment for any good or service. No explanation is suggested. If you are asked about the new Liberty Dollar, keep your answers as short as possible. If the merchant does not accept the Liberty Dollar, simply pay with one of those dreaded Federal Reserve Notes and get on with your life. The current banking empire does not require any knowledge about their money - nor does Liberty Services.


Wow quite possibly the exact thing I would do if trying to pay with monopoly money… Not say much, talk very little, pay with real money if caught out, and get on with life…

Now the coins on the other hand might get accepted as one might accidentally accept a coin from Burma or Canada in your change… Or simply accepted as our coins are fake looking themselves as of late…

I do find it wary of a company who is trying to legally produce currency and is so gung ho for you to promote it to your friends to say as their official word “No explanation is suggested. If you are asked about the new Liberty Dollar, keep your answers as short as possible.” Wouldn’t I also want to sell them on it?

17. Can I use the ALD with non-Liberty Merchants?
YES! The vast majority of merchants who have accepted The Liberty Dollar are NOT listed. Since the money is anonymous and most people do not have the time to sign up Liberty Merchants, most are not listed. Please ask the merchant who accepts The Liberty Dollar from you to contact the Liberty Dollar organization and get listed as a Liberty Merchant so he can start "making money - making change."


Just remember the guidelines suggested in 14… Eh?

Now let us examine where my ideas of you being a scam artist arise…

Knowing from your previous excursions into the chat room of the old forum… Was it not you continually saying you were busy scamming money from people online? Something to do with internet porn? Well the porn part is not important but your nature of bragging how you were scamming is… You are a self titled scammer… Should I think of you any different?

The fact that you try your advertising skills here is expected after all we are simply more people to scam… But do you remember where you are? Do you really think yourself that superior to us all? Or did you not think that someone as myself would call you out on your little money making scheme?

Now as to why I feel the ALD is simply another scam other than your infomercial and the fact that you like to brag about your knowledge with advertising and NLP to us right before this presentation…

13. Can I earn money using the ALD?
YES! In addition to getting the Liberty Dollar at a discount and using it at a profit, you can get the paper Silver Certificates and digital Liberty Dollar at the same discount. Plus Associates earn $100 for every new Associate they sponsor. Yes, you can definitely make money, do good and have fun with the ALD!


19. If I tell my friends/business associates about the ALD, can I get a $100 referral fee?
YES! Liberty Services has a top-of-the-line Affiliate Program with persistent tracking to provide you with the tools to monitor your referral. Since most people want to get their money at a discount and use it at a profit, introduce your friends and business associates to the Liberty Dollar and make $100 when you sponsor them as a Liberty Associate.


20. Is the Liberty Dollar multi-level marketing (MLM)?
NO. All referrals are based on a single tier referral program. You receive a $100 Referral for the people you sponsor. There are no limits or regional barriers, so you can sponsor anyone, anywhere, anytime on the Internet.


This seems to be the reality behind your involvement in the liberty dollar…

Remember people…

“You don't need to find a "Liberty Merchant" to use Liberty Dollars. Just offer the new gold and silver currency to every merchant you meet. You can't tell a real money Merchant from a plastic loving merchant until you offer them real Liberty Dollars.”

You will probably be explaining everything to them when they see you after you sneak one of these bills past them…

To fail early on and realize it can be considered a win if you realize you failed and correct your path…

So either you are a failed salesman in this attempt or you are trying to convince us that you actually believe that the ALD is truly the winning ticket to our troubles and Yes, you can definitely make money, do good and have fun with the ALD!

Good day…

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (10/18/07 10:50 AM)
Edit Reason: removed picture of monopoly money due to the image tag not working in this and the picture forum, replaced link to information, fixed the format…
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