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#116298 - 05/15/18 12:37 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
Dimitri Offline
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Ah yes, we're not here.
Got it.

What luck! I thought you were a human being but turns out you're but a bit of imagination. ;\)
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#116299 - 05/15/18 02:31 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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I'm not talking about a forum but about lectures and gatherings in general. They don't have to preclude a discussion. A speaker is the main voice but sometimes the audience can ask questions or express their views on the topic.
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#116303 - 05/16/18 09:16 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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A lecture isn't a forum. It's not an open dialogue. Even if you can ask the lecturer questions.

It's also not a gathering.


That you and Dimi persist with your misunderstanding, believing it's just a simple disagreement; isn't exactly helping your case.
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#116305 - 05/16/18 09:53 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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As I said, it depends. A congregation is simply a group of people gathered together. You immediately associate it with a religious or quasi religious purpose but it doesn't have to be so. Even in the Catholic setting, you know. Here, we have a rather radical right and deeply conservative Catholic group. They have their own radio and TV but they also organize conferences and lectures which often end up as discussion meetings. People come to listen to the lecturer but later on they express their own sentiments.

I never said it is the same as an internet forum although the herd mentality is visible also here, especially if we consider the new cool "Whites are the best! I hate libtards! I love trump! Juice and niggers are stupid!!!" bandwagon. Can't blame the likes of Oxus and Dark Light for cherishing their own "like-minded" nonsense. To each their own.
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#116306 - 05/16/18 11:18 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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"Whites are the best! I hate libtards! I love trump! Juice and niggers are stupid!!!" bandwagon. Can't blame the likes of Oxus and Dark Light for cherishing their own "like-minded" nonsense. To each their own.


It was Obama. That Euro-loving hippie socialist made this liberal nonsense endemic. And the more he did, the more comfortable the liberals got.  Then they nominated that email deleting whitewater bitch, and one can not help but find Trump refreshing.

I personally like Trump for his administration's use of social media to troll his detractors, no capitulation. Libtards cant handle it when Trump is spoken of glowingly. It makes them all like an Incredibly Liberal Hulk.


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#116307 - 05/16/18 11:27 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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Let's try this again:

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
A forum is like walking into a room, either engaging in a conversation or observing it - then leaving. A far cry from a congregation. I'm talking the endeavor for a brick and mortar establishment, or going to a con. It makes little to no sense for Satanism (a practice) let alone the LHP. *scratches head*


It's not simply a group gathered together. We aren't congregating here. One posts, then leaves. If there's a response, you wouldn't know it until you either check the forum again, or subscribe to the post and get an email alert. Not a single post here even warrants a response.


That whole like-mindedness thing shouldn't be discarded entirely. It aids in communication if people understand and speak your language. Though, I understand the point you were making about those two.

Take a convention for example, there is no single person there that can lecture on your personal experience. Even some of the writing projects have different angles and disagreement. The work put in, was up to the individual. There's a reason for that. We endeavor different things. We have different backgrounds, lifestyles, aesthetics, energy levels and methods of approach. I wouldn't even conceptualize it as a personal 'evolution'. More often than not, it's a full embrace of your core nature vs. trying to change it for the 'better' (in contrast to what?) without shame, without having to conform to societal notions of what is 'best'.

This isn't the same thing as packaging unnecessary prefixes like Theistic, Spiritual, Cosmic, et al. Either one understands the methods of LHP or they don't. Re-tooling it to fit their personal ideologies isn't very convincing. Like when people say "They are branches of the same Tree!" Not quite. You examine it a little closer, and you see a clear deviation from a left-course methodology.

Even when I interviewed dozens of so-called Theists, for the most part it was just a differences in aesthetic and how one couches the Satanic. Even the straight up 'Devil Worship' shtik was the same thing. It's mostly a debate over those that get it and those that don't. Those that live it and those that pretend. As previously mentioned, some choose to sell it and capitalize on trendy ideas. Self-appointed gurus that peddle books, and other things for profit. Then you have your Agent Smith types that just propagate and infect, both can be Satanic - surely. But, we don't have to buy or adopt. Especially if there's no personal benefit.
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#116309 - 05/16/18 12:40 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Phoenician]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
As I said, it depends. A congregation is simply a group of people gathered together. You immediately associate it with a religious or quasi religious purpose but it doesn't have to be so.

con·gre·ga·tion
ˌkäNGɡrəˈɡāSH(ə)n
noun
1. a group of people assembled for religious worship.
2. a gathering or collection of people, animals, or things.
3. (in the Roman Catholic Church) a permanent committee of the College of Cardinals.
4. a group of people obeying a common religious rule but under less solemn vows than members of the older religious orders.


Technically, yes, it doesn't "have to" be religious, but three out of four definitions specifically point to religion.

The key is in the prefix. The Latin "-greg" just means group. If you're looking for a neutral term that just means a bunch of people coming together, the term you are looking for is "aggregation."

With the prefix "con-", "congregate" has all the same connotations as "congeal," "consanguine," "concord," "contiguous," "concentric," etc. Beyond the mere gathering function of "aggregate," "congregate" indicates a shared focal point around which the congregation is gathering. In modern use, that shared focal point is religious.

It's interesting to me that the non-native English speakers are the ones insisting that the word has more wiggle room than any English speaker would presume. English is a varied language with many ways to indicate a concept, and there are over 20 words that are better suited to indicate a gathering of people (forum, assembly, seminar, bevy, convention, group, symposium, crowd, colloquium, multitude, caucus, throng, get-together, drove, company, bunch, circle...) without the religious overtones.

Using imprecise or oblique language and then insisting the listener/reader is the one getting it wrong is some royal douchebaggery.

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I never said it is the same as an internet forum although the herd mentality is visible also here, especially if we consider the new cool "Whites are the best! I hate libtards! I love trump! Juice and niggers are stupid!!!" bandwagon.

Lolwut? I cannot think of a one person on the board that agrees with all of that, and half of those views are held by a minority at best.

 Originally Posted By: Phoenician
It was Obama. That Euro-loving hippie socialist made this liberal nonsense endemic.

Meh. Obama was a relatively moderate, reasonable figure, as far as progressives go. He was a great deal more tolerable than any of the Democratic forerunners in the 2018 election. Clinton was painfully disingenuous and Sanders was so full of the Kool-Aid he was about to come crashing through a wall and shout, "Oh, yeah!"

But it was the youth PC culture, not the political candidates, that really sealed the deal. Genuine, well-meaning, courteous shit was "triggering" people who thought that the ease with which one is offended was somehow a barometer of social consciousness (#WOKE!). If you act like someone is a freakin' Nazi because he failed to psychically intuit your preferred terms, a substantial portion are going to give up and say, "Fuck it, Hail Hitler" because at least the Nazis are (ironically) more accepting nowadays than your average Tumblrina.
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#116311 - 05/16/18 02:25 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: XiaoGui17]
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The reason thereof is that in local dialect the word is used more synonymously with "gathering" without the religious undertones.
Something you English suck-ups with limited multi-linguistic abilities can't really know.

Well... at least where it is us Belgians concerned.
I don't really know about the others but can only guess something similar is within the Polish language (although my fluency on that one is very limited).

Just look at it conceptually and get the gist of the matter.

And as far as politics are concerned...
Business as usual although with a bit more drama now which has proven to give a few interesting shifts.
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#116312 - 05/16/18 04:20 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: Phoenician
I personally like Trump blah blah blah


I'm not evaluating Trump's politics, doofus. I'm talking about embracing the far-right ideology (without often having any clue about it) either because it seems cool, badass and adversarial or because you're disappointed with one bullshit so you switch to another bullshit.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Take a convention for example, there is no single person there that can lecture on your personal experience. Even some of the writing projects have different angles and disagreement. The work put in, was up to the individual. There's a reason for that. We endeavor different things. We have different backgrounds, lifestyles, aesthetics, energy levels and methods of approach. I wouldn't even conceptualize it as a personal 'evolution'. More often than not, it's a full embrace of your core nature vs. trying to change it for the 'better' (in contrast to what?) without shame, without having to conform to societal notions of what is 'best'.


To simplify. I once read Jung's lectures that were written down. They helped me understand more how the psyche works, including my own. That is not to say I experienced an Eureka moment or started worshiping Jung as a great sage. It was simply a starting point for further thought.

I began my studies with the hope I will gain some knowledge that will help me understand myself and the world more. It didn't mean that I treated what I heard as an oracle. Once again, it was a starting point for further thought.

I mean... even if you sit alone, lost in your own thoughts, you still need some material for self-examination. What you need is an inspiration. I can agree that there are other sources of inspiration than lectures and conferences but those latter can serve as an inspiration too.

Moreover, as Oxus in one post wrote, even misinformation can be useful A hypothetical and totally absurd scenario:

You go to some lecture and the speaker claims that if the elephants had big enough ears, they could fly. You sit there perplexed and think "Like what?" Then you strongly suspect it's bullshit but it can inspire you to broaden your knowledge about aerodynamics and elephants in general. It's a surreal example but this is how it works. I became interested in and began reading about Freemasonry when I heard some hardcore Catholic priest giving a speech about it. It was total crap but what mattered was what it gave birth to. In other words, it was an inspiration.

On a side note, I don't think such a thing like the core nature exists, especially if we mean something stable and unchangeable. Nothing in nature is static. Everything is changing, fluctuating evolving. The key is adaptation. If you didn't adapt to the changing life circumstances, you would be dead by now.

 Originally Posted By: Xiao
English is a varied language with many ways to indicate a concept, and there are over 20 words that are better suited to indicate a gathering of people


It's some unnecessary hair-splitting, Xiao. Nobody in this topic was talking about the worship so it's quite obvious that Dimitri didn't mean the congregation in a religious sense. Besides, LaVey used the word "church" too but we all know that it wasn't really a church.


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#116316 - 05/16/18 10:58 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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I'm not evaluating Trump's politics, doofus. I'm talking about embracing the far-right ideology (without often having any clue about it) either because it seems cool, badass and adversarial or because you're disappointed with one bullshit so you switch to another bullshit.


Embracing far right ideology doesnt neccessarily mean you advocate for it. A discordian engages in "paradigm shifting". It's like holding a rhetorical and sometimes contentious view, or embracing a form as a way to get at a broader goal.

I think the support for Trump within Satanism is that broader goal. I dont think folks are embracing him for his views specifically, but the change within society he represents.

The movement right shows a pendulum that is politics can be swung through outspoken twitter feeds alone.




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#116317 - 05/17/18 09:20 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Phoenician]
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And why should the change within the society be a goal of Satanism? Why should that be anyone's personal goal?

And all that talk about Aeonics coming from the guy whose favorite pastime is rambling to his own sock on an internet forum. Hilarious.
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#116318 - 05/17/18 02:53 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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That may be, but I got SIN3 to both agree with me and chastise me in a single post. Speaks to everyone's pathology. She didn't like the 'dogmachine' anyway. He was too rooted in his ways to "break through".

So she helped me put the dog to sleep so I could pull this fruity phoenix metaphor bullshit and then not change.

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#116319 - 05/18/18 09:35 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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FFS, why not just re-read my original post that you obviously misunderstood?

I did say "...in contrast to" or do you just ignore that point so you can write a treatise to seem smart?

You're not.
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#116322 - 05/18/18 12:54 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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All right. Let it be that I'm that dumb one who always fails to understand your surreal ideas and you are oh so intelligent. Only most of the time your intelligence amounts to having a stick up your ass.
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