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#103843 - 11/10/15 04:38 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Czereda]
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I recall it. Pretty fitting analogy actually.

Maybe it's the reason the 600c Dojo fell out of favor. Dick measuring contests tend to get boring after a while. That, and lacking a suitable sparring partner.

There is a vanity to considering your ideas superior to the noOb (or deluded) but at some point you have to realize it's counter productive. Sure, we enjoy being social and the entertainment of it all but even that gets lame after a while.

This whole "I'm changing the World!" thing is everywhere, either that or "Satanism is leaving its mark!" What I see is those very people making proclamations are usually the first to talk about how shitty their lives are, how broke they are, or why they can't afford to go to the doctor and let their health go to pot.
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#103877 - 11/12/15 10:10 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Oxus]
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Harmonious as in a Satanic world where everyone is on the same page


Paradoxical statement is paradoxical.

Why in the world would someone actively doing LHP work even want that? Multiple personalities?
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#103878 - 11/12/15 04:29 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
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Harmonious as in a Satanic world where everyone is on the same page


Paradoxical statement is paradoxical.

Why in the world would someone actively doing LHP work even want that? Multiple personalities?

What is paradoxical about being on the same page in the same book? I'm not following your train of thought here . . .

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#103888 - 11/13/15 01:09 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Oxus]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxus
What is paradoxical about being on the same page in the same book? I'm not following your train of thought here . . .

Satan = Adversary
Satanic = Adversarial
Satanic world = Adversity
Harmonious Satanic world = Harmonious adversity = Adversarial harmony = What the actual fuck
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#103895 - 11/13/15 09:42 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: XiaoGui17]
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What she said.

I guess it really does boil down to how ones mind is wired. What seems blatantly obvious to some might as well be Martian culture to others.
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#103896 - 11/13/15 09:56 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Satanism is a thing you do, actively gnawing on your own 'normality'/comfort zone, and by proxy, the greater 'Nomos'. It's active chaos, it can't be harmonious because there is no 'it', just individuals actively doing battle with this 'harmony'.

Your harmony is antithesis, enemy,opposition to, opposite of. The left way is a constant, dynamic struggle. The second it crystallizes into 'harmony'(read:stagnation), it becomes something else entirely, the 'right' path.
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#103898 - 11/13/15 10:12 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Per his previous statement:

 Originally Posted By: Ox
I can't understand how one would be master of the carnal realm without being harmonious with objective reality.
Then goes on to reduce it to just fucking up everything.

Whatever he thinks a 'Satanic World' is, it appears to be interacting with objective reality in such a way that gives rise to harmony of the carnal realm.

Though, practical examples appear to be lacking. It's all just some mental mumbo jumbo. I asked, I got nada.
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#103904 - 11/13/15 05:00 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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Since when does Antinomy and Adversarialism equate to the opposite of Harmony? For those of you lacking in the ability or gumption to decipher what the opposite is . . . it's 'Dissonance'. Isn't Satanism simple embracing the composition of Satan? Otherwise wouldn't it be called 'MyOwnShitism'?

The Adversary is a trans‑cultural archetype, and one I hope has not stagnated as an imperfect, propagandized, JudŠo/Christian caricature. Psychologically speaking, the Adversary is our Shadow Self, that which opposes and challenges you, when confronted by it, one either becomes consumed by it or one becomes stronger because of it.

Here's my understanding of this "Old Enemy" as the literary scholar Neil Forsyth coined and what I consider to be the foundation of what is called Satanism.

This archetype is the reflection of how we perceive ourselves in relation to what we call the "others". Satan is a social and cultural phenomenon as old as the mind of humanity itself. There has always and will always, be essentially two worldviews consisting of oppositions and they are "Us & Them" or "Me" and "the rest of you" . . . etc.

Sumerian and Akkadian tablets concur this worldview from the earliest known writings, the ancient Egyptian word for an Egyptian meant "human", which excluded all who were not Egyptian to be relegated to 'non-human', the Greek word for non-Greeks was "barbaroi" (barbarians). The Jewish Essenes called anyone not an Essene "ha satan" (the adversary), Zoroastrianism set forth the dualistic "good" (what we believe in) and "evil" (what they believe in).

"A society does not simply discover its others, it fabricates them, by selecting, isolating, and emphasizing as aspect of another people's life, and making it symbolize their difference" - William Scott Green (Professor of the history of religion - ancient Judaism, biblical studies, and the theory of religion).

So, who/what is this Satan? He simply is who you are not!


Atheists are atheists, not "Satanists"; and an Atheist who likes to affect Satanic imagery for its glamour [because Atheism by itself is dull] is doing just that.
Being 'Adversarial' because that is what one believes is being Satanic is also simply being adversarial . . . rebels without cause. What is the point behind such Id-Monstrous posturing? Dan? SIN? (to think you once danced the Erotic to one of my tracks!).

Perhaps this entire thread is why I could never identify as a Satanist . . . nobody knows WTF one is! har har . . .


Edited by Oxus (11/13/15 05:01 PM)

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#103907 - 11/13/15 09:57 PM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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What has anyone on this board done that I read about this year?

Huh?

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#103908 - 11/14/15 01:52 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Oxus]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxus
Being 'Adversarial' because that is what one believes is being Satanic is also simply being adversarial . . .

So you're basically from the school where "Satanism is what you want it to be". Don't try to argue it you just admitted it.

The emphasis shouldn't be on definition and "what" it is.
The actual gem is "doing". Definitions and explanations will only limit.

Satanism, like freedom, comes best in as less words as possible. Expanding and trying to pinpoint only creates unnecessary limitations.
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#103909 - 11/14/15 02:13 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: aeneas2989]
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Are you kidding, Ox just spit some prolific shit right thar' read all about it!

/sarcasm

The -ism part just escapes some people. It is what it is, chalk it up to the human condition and call it a day.
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#103910 - 11/14/15 09:33 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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To Capt.Obvious,

The 'Gem' in ANY system is the 'Doing' . . . do you believe this is something that only pertains to Satan-ism? I am not from the school where "Satanism is what you want it to be" . . . there seems to be a relentless attempt in this thread to twist shit into what is needed to extrapolate on One's intent.

"Satanism is what you want it to be" is my observation of many members' take on Satan-ism . . . not mine as I clearly, if not over-windily stated.

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#103911 - 11/14/15 10:14 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Are you kidding, Ox just spit some prolific shit right thar' read all about it!

/sarcasm

The -ism part just escapes some people. It is what it is, chalk it up to the human condition and call it a day.
Ism is from the Greek 'ismo' meaning 'of action, state, condition, doctrine' . . . it's meaning clearly escapes your grasp, not mine.

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#103912 - 11/14/15 10:27 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Oxus]
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Man, you are so stuck on Satanism being an identity pin you cant seem to see past your own nose.

If you don't get it by now you never will, and I for one am done trying to teach you. Best of luck with your lucy-fairy-ism.


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#103913 - 11/14/15 10:59 AM Re: The Greater Church of Lucifer [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Man, you are so stuck on Satanism being an identity pin you cant seem to see past your own nose.

If you don't get it by now you never will, and I for one am done trying to teach you. Best of luck with your lucy-fairy-ism.


I'm not really a Luciferian and your comment was uncalled for, but seeing who it came from I expected nothing less. You are without a doubt not fit to teach anything, much less the massively misconstrued idea you have about Satan-ism. I mean really, how complex is it? Satan-ism 'puts into practice' (ok?) the composition of a mythological archetype. This archetype is based on the Hebrew idea of 'ha satan' the Adversary. You can't dress it up or strip it down otherwise it is no longer Satan-ism . . . it's something else.

Maybe you need a new lapel pin, not me . . .

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