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#104012 - 11/22/15 09:50 AM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Oxus]
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Music is Art. The gallery is the Record Label/Producer.

The trend of discovering 'talent' on TV shows started in the 50's. The television show producer -> Record Label = Art Critic.

When the artists have the floor, it's not much different really. The idea is to sway public opinion away from one artist, towards another (i.e. the appropriation of Black Culture vis a vis Hip Hop).

In making it, it's about how much your work is worth, the expression of that work can be any vehicle. Worth doesn't always have to be in the form of dollar signs. It can be the affect it has and what it causes.

Most people don't know who Andres Serrano is but they remember the Piss Christ. When his photography show hit the gallery in Sweden (The History of Sex), the controversy of the vandalism gave it more press. He makes his mark through the subject matter and the reaction to it. The art itself, is just photography. It's argued that photography is a craft vs. an artform but it takes the vision of the photographer to make it art.

He was initially recognized as an 'Artist' because he chose corpses and body fluids as the subject matter. He learned his craft in art school but he made it art when he creates a shift in perception.

Likewise, when the media paints a picture of world events, it's to give the viewer a particular slant of the issue.

The Paris event has given many cause to react. Check the pulse, it's either for or against Islam. For or against Syrian refugees. For or against struggles for power.

The OP also creates a slant by using ONA in contrast. Think about it.
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#104016 - 11/22/15 03:41 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: SIN3]
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Music 'can' be Art . . . otherwise it is sound and silence organized in time. I guess what constitutes Art can be debated, nonetheless I get your point and quite agree. Actually making a living in any artistic field seems to be extremely volatile. I consider myself fortunate to have done just that right up to what appears to be the end of that era (the physical musician). I might not consider the majority of what I did to be necessarily creative, and believe my recent work to be my most creative / artistic endeavors . . . which make me nothing monetarily in comparison to working as a guitar pawn.
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#104017 - 11/22/15 04:32 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Oxus]
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I guess I've never really understood the Art School. It's instruction is to master a particular trade. If one goes to an Art School, they don't just pick up the craft of their chosen one; they often pick up some socio-politico slant. Maybe it's just the college experience overall but I see the trend. I think the most creative isn't taught. Applied methods come from personal exploration and experimentation. Some of the art debates include mastering your craft in order to qualify it as art. So any of that creative music you really think is great, other people looking for the fundamentals in music, may disagree and call it a piece of amateur trash. Thereby blowing the wind out of your sails, provided you need to 'make it' by the approval of a critic and some critics master the craft. Plenty that don't make it just go on to teach. Teach what they've learned so they don't feel as though it's wasted. They no longer create as a goal to reach. Maybe along the way they fall back into love with their own art. I say maybe because it really depends on what compelled them to 'make art' in the first place. [sardonic]


Since you agree on that point, think about it like this:

Understanding the meaning of the LHP isn't the same thing as picking up the Satanic Bible and screaming "Eureka I've just become a Satanist by reading this book!" So to describe it as a philosophy or religion is off mark, unless your entire life is built on talking about it or presenting the ideas therein. Plenty of CoSrs have gone on to do that, tow the line, be the rep for the 'Satanism' vs. doing Satanism.

So when you say silly shit like users on this board only have material or carnal pursuits; it sounds pretty dumb. It's both eso & exoteric. It just depends on the core that compelled it. It also accounts for all that 'wiring' attached to it.

It's my understanding that The 600 Club was created in response to having the narrative, language and discussions controlled by self appointed spokespersons.

The CoS for example. Even if it's a brand associated with LaVey, its not Satanism. Lavey didn't invent it either. He merely presented his own interpretation and reminds the reader of this fact continuously through his writing. He was often Sardonic about the subject matter. The fact that thousands of people attribute it to LaVey, is from the repetition of an idea that later becomes an ideal to defend. Plenty of people do.

You wanted harmony with OU, thus you didn't even flinch the first time you heard it or read it, so you towed the line in harmony with the rest of them. It happened. It was a real thing. Plenty of people joined in, holding hands all kumbaya and bam. It's no longer the subjective that you can discern from the objective. It's certainly not the way things really are.


So if the rest of us give you a headache, then we've disrupted your harmony. Oops, friction be like that too.



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#104018 - 11/22/15 05:14 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: SIN3]
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The art world is a tough biz, either you have to create a new art style or do something so controversial it draws attention to your work.


There's been a lot of controversy lately in my country around some play with mass protests before the theater. The thing is the play includes sexual acts done live by porn actors. One would think "big fucking deal as if these people had never seen any porn" but apart from the moral outrage, there was also aesthetic outrage that the "vulgar profanity" made their way to the theatre, which should be dedicated solely to the so-called high art. Anyway, the protest only encouraged the sheep to go to the theatre and watch the play just because it is controversial.

Many people still divide the art into high and low and this fallacious reasoning accounts for people's expectations. These expectations are mainly of beauty and harmony so when the artist comes and challenges these expectations, he causes the outrage. Let's consider how much controversy modernism caused at the time. The same was with surrealism and postmodernism, not to mention dadaism, which was a big "fuck you" sign shown by the rebellious artists to the standard art and the expectations of the art critics and general public. However, any rebellion, also in art, soon becomes orthodoxy as time passes by. Who now takes offense at Bunuel's movies? But he was like Satan to his contemporaries. Or how controversial are Salvador Dali's paintings? The culture has changed and become more liberal so what was so shocking then is no longer shocking now.

That art is business is no surprise. Mozart died penniless, something to think about. Hardly anyone considers the film art but art it is. If the movie is to the taste of the public, it will earn more money but the taste of the general public can be controlled. There is this postmodern Polish novel I read at high school which has a meaningless title "Ferdydurke." It deals with people's slavish attitude to art. People treat classical music as something sacred, worshiping Chopin, Strauss or Bach not because they genuinely appreciate the music but because they are taught it's something valuable. It's not different with any other forms of art. You have popularity rankings, the top shelf books and movies, various awards. The very fact that someone's paintings made their way to the gallery is for most people a sufficient proof of their value. People are like that; stupid.

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The OP also creates a slant by using ONA in contrast. Think about it.


And Mr Parker, the famous O9A tabloid journalist, reads every topic here, takes notes and coughs out an article from time to time:

The Order Of Nine Angles: Trending At Number Seven

Meanwhile, the fatuosity of self-described satanists – opining about both satanism and the O9A via the medium of the internet – has continued, as witness recent discussions on some internet forum which many noobs, in their plebeian stupidity, turn to in order to find out about modern satanism despite the fact that c. 99.7% of those posting there couldn’t tell a fake male-described Baphomet (advocated by the likes of the Church of Satan and the Temple of Set) from the genuine female Baphomet as described by the O9A

This is about you, Oxus.

Such recent fatuosity includes:

... “Just ignore [the ONA]. Stop talking about it. Do not re-blog. Block or Ban.”


This is SIN Jones.

"Back in 2011, 2012 here or on SIN plenty of people participated in the O9A threads and even started discussions by themselves and nobody made a fuss about it. Now [the ONA] became a taboo topic..."

Insert the rest of Czereda's quote with the Inner O9A stuff conveniently cut out.

Yes, among self-described modern satanists the O9A has become taboo, the exception: to be ignored, prohibited, and only written about in negative, derogatory, terms:

“ISIS kills and effectively incites people to kill. The ONA talks about killing and inciting people to kill. There is a considerable difference between a terrorist group and a club of armchair philosophers.”


Yeah, Mr Parker wouldn't be himself if he forgot about me.

Well... from how this shit reads, the only person on this forum who is not plebeian is Dread. The rest of us would better prepare ourselves for next year Ceremony of Recalling.


Edited by Czereda (11/22/15 05:23 PM)
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#104019 - 11/22/15 05:20 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: SIN3]
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WTF . . . I see there is no reason to speak with you any longer, I thought we might discuss our Artistic views and path but you're just looking for another debate / argument / badge . . . I'm no longer interested in trying to make you understand where I'm coming from and what I meant, you have decided for yourself where and what . . . enjoy that.

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#104020 - 11/22/15 05:25 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Czereda]
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I don't follow . . . how is that about me?
Ahh . . . you mean the Baphomet stuff?


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#104021 - 11/22/15 05:39 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Oxus]
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Yeah I mean Baphomet stuff though the article is just stupid. There is no genuine or fake Baphomet, just several different artistic and symbolic representations of the same archetype.

By the way, bickering with Ms SIN Jones is really fun.


Edited by Czereda (11/22/15 06:31 PM)
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#104022 - 11/22/15 11:15 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Oxus]
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 Originally Posted By: Oxus
Not sure what you read on this discussion board, but it doesn't surprise me . . . you have gathered all the wrong information regarding O9A and Culling


This brings to mind a phrase my father always uses when people
show such astounding ignorance and hypocrisy. "I don't think we are reading the same book." More worrisome than hypocrisy is that people don't read at all... and more troubling than that ignorance is the fact that very few people have experience to back up their claims.

 Originally Posted By: Zeno
The recent attacks by Islamic State on Paris had me thinking how the IS are more ONA than the ONA.


The ethos of the seven-fold way has nothing to do with random acts of violence and especially not with lack of empathy. I can think of few activities less mundane than dancing and using drugs at a rock & roll concert.


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#104027 - 11/23/15 01:19 AM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Czereda]
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in their plebeian stupidity, turn to in order to find out about modern satanism despite the fact that c. 99.7% of those posting there couldn’t tell a fake male-described Baphomet


I dunno - there's just no way there are 333 or more people actively posting here on said topic (the minimum required for 0.3% of a sample of people to account for just 1 person)

But who needs quantitative literacy when you have very important opinions to purvey - ammiright?
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#104030 - 11/23/15 09:33 AM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Czereda]
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Ha, that's great. (even better the deletion) I'm subscribed but saw the alert for the new blog and just deleted it. I figured it had something to do with recent discussions but I didn't realize it got that specific. Thanks for the recap Ms. Czereda.

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Concerning Deleting Posts

lianna,6h ago, #The Sinister Game

Regular readers of the blog may have noticed that, from time to time, we delete some posts both old and recent. Some because they’re outdated or they’ve served their propagandistic or polemical puposepurpose.

Others – such as a pdf compilation of ibn Myatt’s Jihadi writings justifying such things as suicide attacks and attacks on civilians – because those seriously interested in such stuff will have saved a copy or downloaded the attachment soon after the post was published, while those who missed the post have missed it. Deletion also means that the post and/or attachments are unlikely to be archived by sites such as the ‘wayback machine’. After all, there’s no rule stating that something once posted on the internet should always be accessable accessible, or that something should be easily findable found by boobies.



*FXD

Excuse me while I LOLOLOL, I love when a person fervently reacts and tries to be insulting while committing language faux pas including typos.

How important our opinions must be, for being just plebs. Parker doesn't pay too close attention to detail. To be pagan is to stand apart from the Patrician Class. To be outside the capital and current of Rome.

 Originally Posted By: AK
But who needs quantitative literacy when you have very important opinions to purvey - ammiright?


Indeed. I second that you are a pod-person. \:D

 Originally Posted By: OX
WTF . . . I see there is no reason


Yeah, friction be like that too. When you've collected yourself and taken a moment to consider the ideas presented for your consideration, you let me know.

 Originally Posted By: CZ
By the way, bickering with Ms SIN Jones is really fun.


You can keep trying to sell it but he doesn't appear to be having a good time. He's too busy getting emotive and reacting.


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#104033 - 11/23/15 05:11 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: Regarding Myatt Wordpress
Self-Described Satanists Are Just So Easy To Jape

If one desired to illustrate the plebeian physis of self-described modern satanists one might refer to some recent published posts on this blog, the subsequent deletion and then restoration of some such posts, and the reaction to such posts and such deletions on some ‘internet forum’ much frequented by self-described modern satanists.

Thus we have (as anticipated) some self-described satanist pontificating about intentional typos here – in a time-limited deleted adversarial post designed to provoke a reaction – and which self-described satanist apparently did not have the culture to translate τὰ κατὰ τὸν Τάγμα των Εννιά Γωνιών ἤτοι ἱστορικῶς ἐκληπτέον ἢ πλασματικῶς καὶ ὑποθετικῶς διὰ τὸ εὐπρόσωπον τοῦ λόγου. [Hint: ‘google translate’ will return gibberish.]

Thus we have (as anticipated) someone else on said forum who while playing dialectical games (and using an assumed identity) continues to pontificate about the Order of Nine Angles despite (apparently) not understanding what the Order of Nine Angles is and presences and why it has something termed Labyrinthos Mythologicus, something titled ‘The Sinister Game’, and tags such as #japes.

So, yes, there are among modern satanists only a few individuals – who obviously are not plebeian – who do understand, as witness the following post on said aforementioned ‘satanist’ forum:

“Let me tell you something about ONA, as voiced by those shadowy folk that tend to take it upon themselves to represent it on the intert00bs; they don’t care if what you say about ONA is given a positive spin or not. They just want people to talk. No bad press and all that.”

So much, therefore – and in respect of the majority of self-described modern ‘satanists’ – for that self-honesty that pathei-mathos, born of an actual experiencing of what is sinister and numinous, engenders in those who have the diabolical temerity to actually be antinomian in the real world via practical heretical deeds.

Cue, therefore, one or more of the following: (i) more anti-O9A diatribes from self-described modern satanists; (ii) no mention of this post; or (iii) more blarney attempting to justify the non-O9A ‘satanism’ of modern self-described (mostly internet-bound) satanists who don’t have a documented antinomian life like that of the pseudonymous ‘Anton Long’.


LMFAO. That keeps changing all the time. See... no George Carlin here. So two comedians enter the stage, give a lame show and wonder why nobody is laughing or clapping their hands. Instead of blaming the audience, what about changing the Crew?

It's really hilarious how they keep bragging about their knowledge of Greek. A simple Google search will lead to Hesiod quote:

"What he says about Perses Order of Nine Angles must be understood either historically or as a matter of fiction and dramatic writing for the sake of giving an attractive character to the discourse."

Scholion, Hesiod Works and Days

I also don't believe the typos were intentional. Too many justifications.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
How important our opinions must be, for being just plebs.


It's possible they are just checking the waters, whether someone is retarded enough to accept their bullshit and usurping the authority over the ONA. On the other hand, they announced their verdict a long time ago. In a nutshell: Those who disagree with us are mundanes. Anyway, this stupid shit has nothing to do with the O9A ethos. Documented sinister life lol. I also wonder whether they don't know or pretend not to know what self-honesty means because it's not a synonym of conformity.

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To be pagan is to stand apart from the Patrician Class. To be outside the capital and current of Rome.


Honestly, fuck Roman Patricians. Novye Russkie are something to aspire to. The new Russian pseudo-aristocracy (the genuine one was slaughtered by Bolsheviks), the elite of the elite, creme de la creme! Those filthily rich pigs literally wallow in money!



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#104034 - 11/23/15 05:50 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: SIN3]
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Indeed. I second that you are a pod-person.
Jeeze Louise! Did it ever occur to you big meanies that maybe my butt hurts far too much over your lack of acceptance of my podpersonhood to sit down long enough to write a novel? That I have feelings? Some community you guys are. \:\(
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#104036 - 11/23/15 06:59 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Czereda]
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Yeah, TROLOLOLO

Didn't I also say this early on?

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It's exactly the same sentiment whenever a niner posts a topic, saturates a board or when the members are focused on speaking on the subject. 'Satanists' treat niners much like the refugees and IS. They either aren't wanted, seen as a pain in the ass, or a potential threat to the 'harmony' of the environment.



In speaking of the Romance Czereda, I was actually referring to the boogey-boogey that never was. Who sees facebook group posts unless you go looking for them? \:\/


When you exhaust the venues, eventually people just get bored of it and talk about it like the bud of a joke.

That's all it ever was anyway. This new carnation of writing only fools fools.

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#104055 - 11/24/15 03:37 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: SIN3]
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In speaking of the Romance Czereda, I was actually referring to the boogey-boogey that never was.


I think you misunderstood me. My point is that every propaganda has a specific aim; to influence people's behavior according to the wishes of the propagandist. You could say ISIS propaganda is a joke and it is a joke because it's totally irrational. You could say that the ISIS propagandists are trolling, whoring for attention and they just want people to talk about them and it's true to some extent. But there is more to that. They could execute their enemies in private but they are doing that in public. Why? As I wrote earlier, not only the Westerners are the target of ISIS propaganda.

The same is with the O9A propaganda. All this rhetoric about pretenders, plebeians and pseudo-Satanists fosters compliance and obedience. It can be treated as a joke or a social experiment but there is more to that. Who is a real addressee of the O9A propaganda? O9A people and those interested. When some people join this network, another network (and these venues are read by the O9A folks even if they don't participate) and O9A Facebook groups, introduce themselves as the Inner O9A and Myatt's close friends and then say to the group members that it's all a test and, if they don't behave in a way that is recommended, they will prove themselves "mundane", then this plus a few propagandist texts are a clear message to an average wannabe Niner how he should behave and what he should think and what behavior and a way of thinking he should avoid.

Just because it doesn't work on you doesn't mean it doesn't work on others. Some people still think there is some Code of Honor and etiquette they should abide by and that it's part of some secret aural tradition they have no access to so no way to verify other people's claims, yet they believe those claims. Propaganda doesn't have to be rational to be effective. Is ISIS propaganda rational? All these photos of happy children are fabricated. The terrorists have their Code of Honor too. We can bitch against them all day long but honorable people they are.

What's happening in cyber space is a reflection of what's going on on a larger scale. So you have an average Niner believing whatever the O9A "insiders"/"inner circle" say via their MSS, forum posts or private messages. And you have an average Joe believing whatever the so-called experts he sees on TV say. An average O9A wannabe says "The O9A is leaderless, it's an open source. There are no dogmas or rules to follow, just your own pathei mathos to learn from. Happy anarchy." And what does an average Joe say? "We have democracy. I have my constitutional rights. I can think and do what I want. I'm an individualist. I make my own choices." As if...
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#104057 - 11/24/15 05:22 PM Re: Paris attacks and the ONA [Re: Czereda]
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That aspect was understood which is why I keep pointing to no literal difference between the ISIS tactic and those employing the O9A Sinister Game.

What effect is has, depends. As I stated earlier, this is why you see so many Europeans converting then going overseas to join the cause (whatever they think that is) and more often than not they are just taken for a ride, for their money and sometimes it even costs their lives (Opfers). In other cases you know the game, play it anyway to see what happens. Call it a meme monkey or whatever, it's replication (even if you think meme isn't accurate). We are replicators. Like Star Trek, push that little button and here we are days later, still yapping about O9A like it's relevant to anything but the RPG.

So again, whether the OP is a jape or not (as Dread pointed to) it doesn't matter. It's working right now. We are talking about it. The shift in focus (contrast) was used purposefully to start the game.

It's just you and I playing as we often do. Woopdie doo da, it's checkers. Your move Czereda. King me?
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