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#10412 - 07/31/08 02:25 PM Advice for young men...
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As most of you know, I am in the military. For the most part, it is a young man's game. At (only) 38 I am sort of an old guy. My wife is a tattoo artist and, in general, I find usually find myself around a younger crowd. With great regularity I have to dispense advice to younger guys. I will post some of my best stuff here.

If you are a younger guy, please feel free to ask a question. If you are an older guy, please chime in with that sage advice.

To wit:

One of the biggest problems facing a young man is women. For the most part (and for good reason) women make up most of a young man's free thoughts. If he is not thinking about anything else, chances are, he is thinking about women.

For the most part, you have no business even having a girl friend until you are in your mid to late twenties. Hang out, hook up, have a good time. But in no way do you need a GF calling you on the phone with her problems. If any of your fuck buddies is the least bit problematic, jettison them. You don't need the grief. Always be honest with them and do not lead them on. Let them know you have goals and a plan, and your career comes first. Don't spend much money on them. Again, this will only give them the wrong idea. Don't move in with them. Don't sleep over. Cohabitation leads to a GF that you do not need. Suck it up, be your own man.

Your early twenties should be spent pursuing your career. Go to school, get professional training, start on the ground floor, build your business. Whatever field of endeavor you are going into, your top priority is to advance your career. Oh, your natural coupling instinct will be strong - don't do it! Work on you. At this point, you may also want to into college coeds and MILFs/cougars. Girls your own age usually want to date and they may be looking for husbands. Don't do it.

Around your mid to late twenties, depending on where you are in your career, you 'may' want to think about dating. This whole dating thing is simply a test run of possible marriage candidates. Never let on that this is what you are doing. Many women attach all sort of myth and fairy tail to marriage and they will pull the old 'bait and switch' just to get married. Look for girls that are into the same things you are. As a general rule, avoid going to bars and clubs to look for a GF. Try meeting people at other places and events you like such as museums, shows, web forums or the gym. Outfits like eHarmony and the like are not to be sneered at. We use brokers for many of our other transactions in life. There is no reason not to use a broker to find a life partner. That is just plain good business sense.

Look for girls that like to do things you like to do. Take them around to some of your favorite things and see if they like it. Make sure you are as compatible as possible. Test their reliability. Make sure they are into the same kinky shit you are into. If they are given to drama, let them go. If you are not compatible let them go. You will also want a girl who is 'sane,' loves sex and can balance a check book. Remember, this is an audition. If they fail the audition things will not get better with age. There are plenty of fish in the sea, keep fishing.

And it is for this reason that you do not live together. Cohabitation limits your flexibility. You may say with the wrong girl longer than you should out of convenience. It may seem convent now, when things go south it will be very inconvenient. Living together also increases the chances that children may pop up. Avoid, avoid, avoid.

At around your late twenties to early thirties, hopefully, you have an idea of the sort of girl you want to marry. As a general rule, I think the Muslims actually have some insight on this. Men should marry a girl half their age plus seven years. For a thirty year old guy that means a girl of around 22 (30/2+7=22). You also need to be well established in your career, with some money in the bank and a good future ahead. Remember, your career is your priority at this point. After you get married your family will become your top priority and it is critical that you are in a position to support a family BEFORE you get married.
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#10418 - 08/01/08 01:53 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Great post Fist! I'm 22 and that was very enlightening. Alot of it is definately common sense that a typical male will forget when in the moment, but I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. All I have been doing is trying to find a girl that I can trust with my same intersts, that isn't a crazy bitch. But just like you said, it is all just auditions for a future wife. I have a recently (2 week recent) divorcee girl that I am intersted in. I have strong feelings for her but we have made it clear that we are just playing out our options. I am also talking to a 23 yr. old (also recently divorced), and I feel just as strongly for her and have no idea what to do or how to feel, and this is not the usual me. I usually keep the wall up high, but now I am starting to feel very confused. And I'm already starting the whole sleepover bullshit with the 23 yr. old cause she lives an hour away. Any advice or guidance you can give? You seem pretty intelligent, and my mind is too fluttered to sort any of my own thoughts out. I havn't been able to read at night because of this female "drama". My mind stays wandering on what to do and which one to go with.
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#10420 - 08/01/08 06:12 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I personally disagree with what you say about at what age you should start taking things seriously. In your teens you are practicing for adult life, and over twenty you should start living responsibly.
I moved together with my ex-girlfriend when I was 21 and lived together with her for about two years. Though our relationship didn't work in the end I'm glad I did what I did. Relationships teach something all the time, and not just about others but more importantly your self.

I am now two weeks from turning 24, am moving in with my girlfriend with whom I've been with 8 months, and wouldn't have it any other way. Being seriously committed doesn't hinder your other achievements in any way. I work six days a week, play in three bands and am recording full length albums for two of them, and still have all the time and energy for my girl. She supports me in all my things, and frankly, I don't think I would be doing all this if it wasn't for her support. I'd have suffered a burn out quite some time ago.

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#10421 - 08/01/08 07:58 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Fist:

I think you're right. I saw a lot of people's careers get destroyed because of abandoning it for a significant other. Dropping out of college, quitting a good job to take care of a baby, scientists moving to bumfuck alaska where there's no work for them, etc.

I would just add that what you said applies equally well to women.

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#10423 - 08/01/08 08:17 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: coelentrate]
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What I don't understand is how some people are so inadequate to hold on to their careers and girls both at the same time. It shouldn't require any magic tricks, just some organizing. And if it proves to be impossible, maybe the girl wasn't right for you anyway. Or maybe it's you who lack the necessary skills...
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#10425 - 08/01/08 09:52 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
Or maybe it's you who lack the necessary skills...


Are you talking to me? Is there a problem here?

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#10428 - 08/01/08 10:44 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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In short, this reminds me of a joke/saying. Two rams are standing at the top of a hill looking down at a herd of sheep. The younger one says, let's run down the hill and fuck one of them. The older one says to the younger, no, let's walk down the hill and fuck them all.
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#10432 - 08/01/08 04:23 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: sipple2004]
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Look dude, keep it light. Sleeping over will lead to moving in. Don't do it.

What are your career plans? Don't you have anything better to do with that hour of drive time? Are you in school?

Honestly, where do you see yourself in 5 years? How about 10 years? How is what you are doing now that is staging you for future success?

Think about it objectively. Fist only dispenses tough love.

'Do what thou will is the whole of the law. And the whole of the law is love - love under will.' Love is a Fist...
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#10433 - 08/01/08 04:48 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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*sigh*

Ok, here we go....

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In your teens you are practicing for adult life,..


Really? How much rent where you paying at 16? High school is little more than govt subsidised dating. Until you move out of your parents house and have to pay your own way in the world you have no idea what adult life is.

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I work six days a week, play in three bands and am recording full length albums for two of them, and still have all the time and energy for my girl.


What sort of work do you do? The kind you want to be doing for the next 5 years? Where do you see yourself in 5 years? How about 10 years? What are you doing right now, today, to stage yourself for future success?

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She supports me in all my things, and frankly, I don't think I would be doing all this if it wasn't for her support.


So your a bum then? Sounds to me like she is paying your freight. How long do you think that will last? What does she want out of life? Ask her. Here is a scary little experiment - ask her where SHE wants YOU to be in 5-10 years. Oh my friend, does she have plans for you...

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I'd have suffered a burn out quite some time ago.


At 23 you were 'burned out'? Life hasn't even gotten hard yet. Wait until life really puts the boots to you. You have no wife, no kids, no professional responsibilities and no real responsibilities of any kind! And you were burned out?!

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I personally disagree with what you say about at what age you should start taking things seriously.


Of course you do, because at 23 you don't know what you don't know. Like I said, I have spent most of my life around guys your age in the exact same situation. It is like watching Macbeth. Only the actors change - the story remains the same. Want to know how it ends?

Love is a Fist...
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#10466 - 08/03/08 10:21 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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In some respects, Fist, I agree with you, and in others, I don't.

I'll definitely agree that getting one's career on track is more important, but at the same time, I think that it's up to the individual to decide when the time is right to start dating. But that's just my opinion. After all, one can only do things their way to succeed in life.

As the old saying goes; if you want something done right, you've got to do it yourself.

Good advice though.
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#10470 - 08/04/08 10:54 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
*sigh*

Ok, here we go....

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In your teens you are practicing for adult life,..


Really? How much rent where you paying at 16? High school is little more than govt subsidised dating. Until you move out of your parents house and have to pay your own way in the world you have no idea what adult life is.

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I work six days a week, play in three bands and am recording full length albums for two of them, and still have all the time and energy for my girl.


What sort of work do you do? The kind you want to be doing for the next 5 years? Where do you see yourself in 5 years? How about 10 years? What are you doing right now, today, to stage yourself for future success?

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She supports me in all my things, and frankly, I don't think I would be doing all this if it wasn't for her support.


So your a bum then? Sounds to me like she is paying your freight. How long do you think that will last? What does she want out of life? Ask her. Here is a scary little experiment - ask her where SHE wants YOU to be in 5-10 years. Oh my friend, does she have plans for you...

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I'd have suffered a burn out quite some time ago.


At 23 you were 'burned out'? Life hasn't even gotten hard yet. Wait until life really puts the boots to you. You have no wife, no kids, no professional responsibilities and no real responsibilities of any kind! And you were burned out?!

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I personally disagree with what you say about at what age you should start taking things seriously.


Of course you do, because at 23 you don't know what you don't know. Like I said, I have spent most of my life around guys your age in the exact same situation. It is like watching Macbeth. Only the actors change - the story remains the same. Want to know how it ends?

Love is a Fist...


About the rent thing, of course none when 16, but that was also the time when I think I didn't have to take my responsibilities to girls too seriously.
Haven't had my mom looking after me for quite some time now and no one having to support me.

Addressing the work issue: I work as a piercer and have been doing so for the last two years. I would also count music as a part time job, as it consumes a lot, and gives back some. I'm am continually expanding on that field, and getting to the bigger waters so to speak, as to expect something from it.
I plan to do the same in 5 years, in 10 years the same, though hopefully as a co-owner/owner of a shop.

If I get more energy/ will to achieve from her support, does that make me a bum? Maybe I should have mentioned that I support her back so that I wouldn't invoke such assumptions.

"You have no professional responsibilities and no real responsibilities of any kind!

Not sure what you mean by that. I have responsibilities to my work, I pay my rent/bills and have to keep my economy afloat, so that me and my girl can have some fun time too. You have no idea how expensive bars are in Finland ;\)

It is a possibility that I'm not the same as the average guys you've been hanging out with. I have no interest in swinging between girls, just to avoid responsibility. I don't like having different girls every weekend, nor do I like girls who do the same. I take things too seriously for that kind of living and enjoy greatly what my life looks like the way it seems to be going. And it sure is going nicely.

But thanks for your response, though I think some of the things were a bit off the mark they still gave something to think about.

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#10471 - 08/04/08 01:08 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I must say Fist you hit the nail on the head. Myself , when I first started my band asked myself what window of time do I see myself accomplishing things. I gave myself 10 years. If you play music as a job , you had better have a plan. If not , having a dream will NOT help you. In 10 years time I took my lil band in the garage , to playing as national support in the states on tour , playing to some truely remarkable crowds , and getting signed to a record label. It took small steps towards a greater goal to acheive that.

NOW it took a tremendous ammount of effort to get to that point . I work a day job. I finished 4 years of school to get a degree. I have a beautiful wife and 2 children.

The fact is if you can't focus your life in All aspects and think you'll figure it out, whats going to happen 10 years later ? Will you still be trying to figure it out?

At 23 , thats when you should be bucking down and getting really serious. At 29 I will say that the reason I have things that matter and my path has so far been left hand path blessed is because I took the time then to MAKE MY FATE now.

So Fist I applaud you on this post. I suggest young men on the board to take heed what is being said here. There is truth.


Edited by SevenDeadlySins (08/04/08 01:37 PM)
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#10484 - 08/05/08 06:08 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: SevenDeadlySins]
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 Originally Posted By: SevenDeadlySins
If you play music as a job , you had better have a plan. If not , having a dream will NOT help you.


When I was younger and started playing in my first band, I had a dream, not exactly a foolish one, we played pretty good shit, but it's not just the music that makes things happen, rather things outside music. In other words, we had no plans, just wished to get some where from the garage... Back then it was a bitter lesson, realizing things weren't getting anywhere. But one to be learned. Now in my current main band we focus on the small but important steps and in a lot shorter time it has already gotten us so much farther. And playing with so called veterans in other bands has also taught me a lot.

 Originally Posted By: SevenDeadlySins
At 23 , thats when you should be bucking down and getting really serious.


True words. When I moved in with my ex-girlfriend we thought we had it all figured out, but guess I was too young and hadn't yet learned enough. Practically I brought the relationship to ruins, being less at home and too much out trying to fulfill my other needs. In priorities my girl came pretty much the last, and bands and bars the first. Although it all turned bitter and came crushing down, it sure has taught me a lot about things. And at least it gave good material for lyrics...

It's fascinating to see how much has been learned since then. I have no trouble prioritizing what comes first. I give all I can to my band and to my work, but I want to give a lot more to my girl. Now that I'm moving in with her, I feel more than ready. I have no trouble picturing us marrying. And it's something I have actually given a lot of thought. Being serious and knowing the other is serious as well makes it secure and worth all.

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#10485 - 08/05/08 06:36 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: coelentrate]
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And no, I wasn't aiming my critique at you, merely addressing what you brought up.
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#10487 - 08/05/08 08:56 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I have no trouble picturing us marrying. And it's something I have actually given a lot of thought.


So what's holding you back? Your already living together in a committed relationship. Why not get married?

Believe me when I say this, living together is not the same as being married even though it may seem like it. Women attach all sorts things to marriage - things you never thought of and can't really understand. Your relationship will change and you may find that you want to go back to the way things were. I have found this to be universally true.

I personally don't know any married man who does not wish he did it differently.
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#10499 - 08/05/08 08:20 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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"Women attach all sorts things to marriage - things you never thought of and can't really understand. Your relationship will change"

Honestly, out of curosity, what do you believe most women attach to marriage?


Why does the relationship have to change?


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#10500 - 08/05/08 09:51 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I'm curious as to why you present this claim of "women attach all sorts of things to marriage" so one-sidedly. As if men don't have different expectations after the honeymoon as well. The husband has done all of his "wooing"--that means he doesn't have to take her out to dinner for no particular reason, buy spur-of-the moment gifts, do his share of the housework, evenly split taking care of any children, etc. Basically he feels he gets to slack because he has already "won" her. Note that I am applying this in the same general sense to male-kind as you put it towards us ladies.

If a couple lives together long enough, getting married isn't going to make much difference in their lives anyway. Once they're back home from the honeymoon, the only things that are different are the rings on their left hands and someone's last name got changed (in most cases anyway).

You should have known that us women-folk were gonna jump on this one \:D
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#10505 - 08/06/08 05:04 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist

So what's holding you back? Your already living together in a committed relationship. Why not get married?


Because I don't want to rush things, I'd like to have it all planned well. Besides I'd want to do it in summer and this one's almost over, at least where I live. Wouldn't want to be shivering in the cold for hours.

And like you earlier suggested, that ask her where she wants me in 5 or 10 years, we have discussed these matters, as well as what she possibly wants from me as a husband. No big change there, of course, like every one, she desires stability, but doesn't require me to change anything. It's hard to have a happy and passionate relationship, if I couldn't be happy and passionate about other things in life. Most probably I'll be in body modification business and doing music as long as my health permits, and that's all good with her. Perhaps a degree from marketing to make things more interesting...

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#10511 - 08/06/08 12:29 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Now this is interesting....

Moe 'doesn't want to rush things.' This would seem to indicate that he does, at least, sense that marriage would change things.

On the other hand, Morgan and Nemesis don't understand what the big deal is.

Hmmm...

Man - cold feet on commitment.
Woman - commitment is no big deal.

Would you agree this is a distillation of your positions?

Ok, let me play Socrates for a moment.

Before I offer an answer, would any of you care to reconcile the opposed points of view?
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#10517 - 08/06/08 07:11 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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"what do you believe most women attach to marriage?"
This was still not answered by your opinion.

Commitment & marriage are 2 different things.

You can date someone but not want to marry them.
Commit to just being with them/fucking them (for now).

When your thinking of marriage, all that other stuff should have already been talked about or your an idiot.

LIKE :

Trust
Honesty
Loyality
Dont fuck anyone else unless you agree upon a 3-some.
Money
kids or no kids
Politics
Religion
Sex (kinds/openmindedness)
Music
Pre-nup
Pets
Personal styles
Families

I turned down proposals cause they didn't take those things into consideration, and we didn't mesh on important issues.
Plus, they said things would change, its like damn, motherfucker, I am dating you now for who you are, if you expect me to change go fuck yourself.

If the relationship is good, things mesh, and stuff works, then figure out what you want to do. Give it some time to grow, date, live together, marry? Besides, why rush it, if it works, what does time mean anyway?

Stuff can fall apart/get tossed, pets can die, but great sex is always great sex.

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#10532 - 08/07/08 06:53 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist

Moe 'doesn't want to rush things.' This would seem to indicate that he does, at least, sense that marriage would change things.


Let me change a word and add a few. More likely it could indicate that Moe does understand there is a possibility that some things could change.
And I think that the more you rush, the bigger the possibility. In time it may not seem as such a big deal, if done when the time is right, but perhaps there are more expectations to it, some maybe unrealistic or exaggerated if rushed into marriage before we have gathered enough experience...
Just a thought.

"Man - cold feet on commitment.
Woman - commitment is no big deal."

Guess there's some truth in that. I wouldn't say that I fear commitment, but big things are big things and deserve some thought and planning.

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#10533 - 08/07/08 06:58 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I came to a different conclusion from Moe's intention of not wanting to rush things. Where you read "cold feet", I read someone who wants to make sure all of his ducks are in a row before taking the next step. Surely, this is a smart move?

And no, commitment IS a big deal. It is marriage which is overhyped and for centuries has been seen as an end in and of itself. That's not the case anymore, it's not the earth-shattering milestone in one's life that rips a young woman from her home and family that she loves to go live with her new keeper. Now it's a union of two people joining on equal ground, who are both willing to make some compromises to have a happy, successful life together. If it doesn't work out, both parties are free to separate and go their own ways.

Where you see marriage as the end of a man's hallowed single life, I see it as simply a formalization of an existing union. If a man gets fucked over in a divorce, it's because he married a harpy and didn't test-drive her for long enough. That's his damn fault, as well as being weak enough to cave in to the pressure of marriage before he's absolutely positive that woman's the right one for him.
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#10534 - 08/07/08 06:59 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan


When your thinking of marriage, all that other stuff should have already been talked about

LIKE :

Trust
Honesty
Loyality
Dont fuck anyone else unless you agree upon a 3-some.
Money
kids or no kids
Politics
Religion
Sex (kinds/openmindedness)
Music
Pre-nup
Pets
Personal styles
Families


I think it's also a prerequisite for a responsible relationship, before even thinking of marriage.

 Originally Posted By: Morgan

Stuff can fall apart/get tossed, pets can die, but great sex is always great sex.


Another reason I want to shackle and chain my lady and never let her go ;\)

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#10535 - 08/07/08 08:29 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Let me change a word and add a few. More likely it could indicate that Moe does understand there is a possibility that some things could change.


Ok gang, this is what I am getting at. What is going to change? Please explain. And what will make it change? As Satanists, this should be easy to explain.

And just how long do we continue to shack up before we know it's time to actually tie the knot or roll out? What specific conditions will be present to indicate a move in one direction or the other. People change and as a result relationships change. Men and women also change differently and at different rates. I am not the same person I was 15 years ago. Are you?

So again, I ask all of you, what is this change we are talking about? Do you have any married or divorced friends? Ask them what changed after marriage.
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#10537 - 08/07/08 09:42 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Only one of my friend has married, but we aren't exactly so close I'd share such a conversation with him.
But as you have married and thus have some experience, why don't you share some of your opinions. What are your views on what makes things change? And on the other hand, why should things change, if they worked out just perfectly before marriage? If the couple has been together for awhile anyway, why does a legal document and new ring have to change the characteristic of the relationship in any way... Kids I understand, but if it isn't anything concrete.
There are different kind of people, so I reckon there are different kind of marriages...
What just came to mind, have you considered cultural differences and what impact they may have on our expectancies what comes to marriage. Marital customs differ somewhat in other parts of the world and though our countries' modern culture share similarities, many aspects are still different.

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#10539 - 08/07/08 12:26 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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"And just how long do we continue to shack up before we know it's time to actually tie the knot or roll out? What specific conditions will be present to indicate a move in one direction or the other."

For me:
2 years involvement or less to figure out if I want to roll.
2 months or less if I want to date or not date you.
Needless to say, I'm not married, just very particular.

For me, Cheating is a big no-no. Fuck around after a committment and its done.

"Ask them what changed after marriage"
From what I saw/heard, the level of respect went down, the amount of attention went down, the amount of commuication went down, and the amount of sex went down.

Reasons I turned down some men...
One asked me when I was 21, then in the next breath before I answered him, said he cant wait to see me pregnant with his kids. After never mentioning he wanted kids. I said no.
One asked me, then said is that what I needed to hear in order to trust him. I said no.
I ended one after he told his mom about me, and she put rosaybeads in his car. He came to see me the night before his wedding to one of my friends to have me tell him to not get married cause he still wanted me.

The point is, if you aren't sure, dont do it.
Marriage is too much of a headache to take lightly.

I think Moe has it.
If it works, flows and just works. Its a good thing.
Most importantly, there has to be passion and chemistry.

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#10557 - 08/08/08 11:34 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Morgan]
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Again, I thing these threads should be instructive. So, I have gotten some good feedback here and I will now try to go point for point on some of it.

I will get to it all soon...
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#10568 - 08/09/08 04:41 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Morgan]
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Honestly, out of curosity, what do you believe most women attach to marriage?


Simply put, women think they can change the fundamental nature of their men. Most women see their man as a diamond in the rough, and given enough time, they can 'fix' everything that is 'wrong' with them. A lifetime marriage commitment is often seen as the perfect opportunity to make him just the way you want him.

In general, as a man grows older only his cost of his toys change. At his core, he is still that playful little boy. So too, women often see men a just another doll to play 'house' with. Most problems in a marriage are because the man is not playing the game right.

More on this latter...

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Why does the relationship have to change?


Because people change. As I mentioned before, no one is the same person they were 10 years ago. This is what most people mean when they say they have 'grown apart.' The key is grow together but this is often difficult to do if both parties are not working off the same page.
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#10603 - 08/11/08 09:06 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist


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Why does the relationship have to change?


Because people change. As I mentioned before, no one is the same person they were 10 years ago. This is what most people mean when they say they have 'grown apart.' The key is grow together but this is often difficult to do if both parties are not working off the same page.


Yes, that I have experienced and understand well. But getting married is not the change factor in it.

Back to the marriage thing, what you said about women wanting to change their men is a universal stereotype, but thankfully it doesn't come with every individual. When my girl tells me that she's happy with the way I am, I believe she is sincere. Many times I've been told that no one has ever been as good to her as I am. Again I believe she is sincere, judging on what little I know of her previous relationships. If I play my part right there won't be need for complaints and changing my character. And I think she understands how impossible the task would be anyway... \:\) I don't budge too easily, but not to the point when I would be unreasonable. I try to always keep her desires in mind when making plans and decisions, so no one has to budge or sacrifice too much.

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#10618 - 08/12/08 01:21 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Well Fist nice post, mostly common scene to me. though i think it nice you took the time to help some people here.

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At his core, he is still that playful little boy. So too, women often see men a just another doll to play 'house' with. Most problems in a marriage are because the man is not playing the game right.


Well i would think stereo typing marriage as whole, i think simply a bit small minded, that or the topic should be changed to something like "Advice for young heterosexual monogamous men..." marriage by topical standards is a binding of a man and women that are in love (which i agree with), but leaves out fine print. People change so will marriage change be it monogamous, open, between gay people, etc.

i would think the what holding you back is simply, marriage i think make's people realize for the most part that, they can no longer think in terms of "I". which to me is something that can terrify people, along with the word permanent/binding.

"Women attach all sorts things to marriage" that could be said about anyone in a marriage.
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#10622 - 08/12/08 04:27 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: blackdragon31560]
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"Women attach all sorts things to marriage" that could be said about anyone in a marriage.

Not true, Women attach all sort of things towards all sort of other things with or without marriage. It is just a part of their quick thinking nature.
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#10703 - 08/16/08 09:02 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Nemesis]
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I'm curious as to why you present this claim of "women attach all sorts of things to marriage" so one-sidedly. As if men don't have different expectations after the honeymoon as well.


Well, you may have a point here. In general, married people fight mostly over three things 1) sex 2) money 3) how to raise the children. What a lot of couple find is the sex and money issues do in fact change after marriage. A lot of men get suckered into coupling because of the easy access to sex. After marriage, many women no longer feel obligated to put out. In fact, many see it as just another bothersome chore. As for money, most men do feel obligated to adopt the traditional provider role. This is usually fun for a minute until the wife starts playing house again. At that point every spare dollar goes toward 'her' house.

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The husband has done all of his "wooing"--that means he doesn't have to take her out to dinner for no particular reason....


Firstly, this sort of becomes a 'chicken-egg' argument. In general, the guy is dog assed tired trying to provide for a family and keep up with the Jone's. He just wants to come home and chill. Spontaneity sort of goes out the window and everyone feels under appreciated and resentful. Being married is work, and most people don't have the energy for it.

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Note that I am applying this in the same general sense to male-kind as you put it towards us ladies.


Of course. And that is the purpose of the thread. Feedback is important.

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If a couple lives together long enough, getting married isn't going to make much difference in their lives anyway.


Oh, I would beg to differ. Ask any married person. My point is that marriage is a ceremony. And like any ceremony it has a psychological impact on the participants.
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#10707 - 08/16/08 03:59 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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You are so on the right track bro, i also think that if you are going to make the commitment you should stick to it even though there will be bad times ahead. just my opinion.
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#10718 - 08/16/08 07:20 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: harrison]
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I think one of the biggest lessons to be learnt for either sex is that the woman's primary sex organ is the brain.

Once a man has worked out what his womans brain turn ons are, he will have mastered the art of 'putting her in the mood'.

Because when push comes to shove, EVERY FEMALE will be pushed sexually primarily by the brain, which is why when a guy comes home broke and tired, he will put her off sex.

If however, he bothers to learn a couple of simple things about his wife/partner, that 'turns her on' (and not what turns HIM ON), then they will be well on their way to sorting out the 'sex' side of a relationship.

It may not be fair, but it's how it is. Girls need to be turned on first, at which point, they will happily take over and do all the work, the guys result is pretty much always gaurenteed.

I would have thought this was obvious to a Satanist. If as a bloke, you are too lazy to put the ladies pleasure and desire first, you're not very good at reading people then I think.

This would go for the Satanic female as well. We will just have different buttons as to what stimulates the brain.

One thing I have learnt going through all I have with my illness, is that we are driven by hormones pretty much completely, so if you know what triggers those hormones, you've got it won!

It's like the fact that women are attracted to men of a different smell, when they are on the pill.

So ladies, if you meet a guy on the pill, then decide to have a baby with him and go off the pill, chances are you won't be as attracted to him anymore, withough the pill messing up your natural pregesteron and estrogen levels.

This is one of the reasons (among quite a few), that I am not a fan of the pill. Think about it...


I've always found the rythm method to be the best, but of course the trouble with it is that when you do fall in love, your body tries to highjack your brain and trick yourself into getting pregnant. If you are strong enough to fight off that, then when you finally do decided to have children, it won't be scary because you will know it's what you really want.

I personally think the ideal child bearing age for women is in their 20's. We just bounce back better afterwards.

I've recenlty (being in the age group I suppose), had a couple of female friends that have had to terminate downs babies. It's a very traumatic event for someone to go through. And whilst they had both steeled thenselves for miscarriage, the high odds of having a downs child after you've turned 35 is definately something, not promoted when this women waiting til their late 30 or 40's to have kids.

I understand why Fist thinks the half age plus 7 years. In alot of ways, it's better for a girl to hook up with a slightly older guy to have kids with. Trouble is, not all of us women like older men, so end up chasing guys that aren't really ready, when we are. Those damn pesky pheromones.......LOL

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#22305 - 03/20/09 05:04 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I have to agree with Fist. I was 24 when I got married, and have been married for almost 24 years now. Allot of that is luck and an extremely tolerant Wife... I was way to young and immature to get married. I don't regret it, but would advise against it. Have fun, sow your wild oats and buy your toys, because after you get involved in a serious committed relationship or marriage your life drastically changes. And then when children and other added responsibilities come, this is compounded.


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#22313 - 03/20/09 01:29 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Thank you for adding a little sanity to this thread.

Regarding what you have said, and what Fist has said: I'd like to merge the two ideas and present a different opinion altogether. I think it's a great idea for men to sow their wild oats because women operate so much differently and much like playing in a symphony, having sex with a woman (the right way)takes a bit of practice on a man's part. Think back, ladies, to the younger ones. They bored me then and the thought of them now makes me want to LOL. When a young man dates around, he gets a more realistic female experience. We're a lot more complex and multi-faceted than (most) men are and we're not as easy to please or as slow to learn how to please back as men are.

I think it's also a good idea for (the older man) to hook up with the younger woman. He's more likely had time to learn the fine art of keeping a woman physically happy (I suppose I should qualify this statement by saying, "if he cared to learn") PLUS he has already established his own sexuality and as I've said before, women are generally faster learners in that arena.

I was with one guy who introduced me to all sorts of things that I would have NEVER done, much less enjoyed, had it been anyone else to try it. What made him different was the fact that he took the time to figure out HOW to get me to enjoy it. And I'll admit, some of the stuff he wanted had bad psychological and emotional baggage with me...but he was patient and apparently willing to take "baby steps"....and also he knew how to balance the things that turned him on with the things that turned me on. We were together for YEARS and up until the day we went our separate ways, he still made me weak-knee'd and lusty. With me anyway, a man will fail miserably if he thinks a little groping is going to work on me. And I'm the kind of girl who has no problem letting him know he failed.

I don't care for this generalization - though - about Fist's thoughts regarding how marriage changes things. (most) Human beings spend their entire life evolving mentally. Even if you are peas in a pod at 30 and 22...it's still quite possible to be apples and oranges at 40 and 32. And if he really is beat when he gets off work, that doesn't mean that there should be a situation in which the wife/mom is the only one interacting with the kids while husband/dad louses around in front of the television all day. That seems to be a cop-out to me and nothing more than an excuse to be lazy about the relationship. You don't have to be constantly going and always running to impress a girl, but you DO have to continue to make an effort to be mentally and emotionally attentive. You can't do that when you go straight from the door to the TV and park your ass until bedtime. If he continues to relate to her mentally and emotionally, she will continue to relate to him sexually and however else they began. Some wise-guy somewhere once said that women give sex to get love and men give love to get sex. An intelligent man will keep that in mind. That intelligent man - who figures out how to "give love" to a woman on her (basic feminine) terms - will never lack for sex no matter how old or complex the relationship is and will find that she's still right there with him a million years later.

And yes, one can say "women should this" and "women should that"...but this thread isn't about what women should be doing.



Edited by ceruleansteel (03/20/09 01:32 PM)

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#28887 - 08/24/09 08:52 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: blackdragon31560]
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[quote=Fist]
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Women attach all sorts things to marriage - things you never thought of and can't really understand. Your relationship will change and you may find that you want to go back to the way things were. I have found this to be universally true.


At 16.. fell madly in love.. we fought alot after the first year. We lived together. At 16 I had started my career. I still hold the same job--8years later. I got married at 19 (near 20)After living with him for 3 years. When we got married nothing changed. Except one thing. We stopped fighting. Completely. We went from fighting at least once a week, to in 3 years of marriage we fought 3 times.

Marriage was the happiest time of my entire life.

In those 7 years with him I learned everything I will ever need to know about myself. I realized after that amount of time together that he wasnt who I wanted to spend the rest of my life with, and so after months of talking, and trying to come up with fixes, I left him. Granted, you can blame probably the age and say we were to young (he was 2 years older)...but if I wouldve never done that, and spent that long with someone, today I'd be sitting here, at 24, not knowing what I wanted. I couldnt have possibly learned those things from dating randomly and not having any commitments. I dont feel Ive learned a single new thing in the last year plus of being single, and dating. As a matter of fact, being single and playing the game is making me bitter at life and depleting said goals Im suppose to be growing as a single person in this age group.

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#28905 - 08/25/09 06:10 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Athiarchist]
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That may be well and true, but this thread is not advice for young women.

I believe it is this particular thread where Fist urges boys to grow into men, establish themselves, and then seek relatively younger females for mates. I agree with this advice (wherever it was posted originally and whomever posted it).

Especially in this day and age. It seems that it takes longer and longer for boys to turn into men. And the whole world enables them. Generation X'ers would still be sucking mom's tit at 40 if we let them.

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#28909 - 08/25/09 08:20 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Yea, sorry ceruleansteel.. I did get a bit off topic, considering Im a girl it doesnt matter what worked for me. I was just trying to state that Marriage doesnt always change things in a bad way. For us, yes, it changed things. In the best way possible. I just dont agree with the statement I quoted in my message. We never wished for things to go back to how they were.
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#28911 - 08/25/09 09:47 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Athiarchist]
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 Originally Posted By: Athiarchist
We never wished for things to go back to how they were.

Since we are again talking from your perspective and not his. Perhaps he did wish to return to an unmarried life or a life where he is able to date again. Maybe this is why he is your ex-husband?

Just saying.

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#28914 - 08/25/09 11:34 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: ta2zz]
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I get what your saying, but no. I left him, I councelled him for months, dealt with him crying and sobbing; had never once seen him cry in 7 years together. Hardest thing Ive ever had to do.

I did not want to be single either. I did not want to start my life over just as he didnt. But I just simply thought it was unfair to let myself live a life where I didnt feel 100% in love. I love him and all, I still talk to him all the time, he will always remain my best friend, but just not in love, would never have sex with him again, etc.

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#28915 - 08/25/09 11:48 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Perhaps the most eloquent reflection on this topic I've ever come across was in Jerry Kamstra's famous Beat Generation novel The Frisco Kid (1975). The Frisco Kid is visiting his friend Little Joe in San Francisco's North Beach ...

 Originally Posted By: "The Frisco Kid"
"Kid, let me tell you, this ain't no ordinary cunt. This chick's been trained. You know what she told me? She's the daughter of an army officer, a colonel or something, I can't remember. All I remember is her cunt. It's juicy, it's sweet, like ripe persimmons. Her old man was stationed in Japan. She lived with him - the whole family lived in Japan - she was there between the ages of fourteen and seventeen, can you imagine that? The most important years! A young American pussy over there in Japan where all those five-thousand-year-old sex traditions go down. I mean they train girls how to fuck in Japan! Nothing's left to chance. It's the same way they bend those little peewee trees into any shape they want. Those Oriental cats are heavy, man; they're years ahead of us, centuries, lifetimes! Shit! Have you ever seen pictures of some of those statues they have in India and places like that? They were doing stuff three thousand years ago that we ain't even got around to thinking of doing yet!"

"What are they doing?"

"Aww, c'mon, Kid. Those Oriental cats have sex practices. It's an art with them. American chicks don't know how to fuck, except this one I just met. You ever had an American chick grab your cock? Hell no, you haven't, except maybe some drunk bitch in a bar. In Japan it's different. Over there they come on, man, I know it! I've seen it. Here it's all straight, like your old lady lays down like a log on the bed and you have to build the whole fucking fire. You have to construct the whole fucking palace and then fuck her in it. Why do we have to do that, Kid? Why don't the chicks help build the fire? They act like we’re nothing but human dildos, that's why! They haven't been educated in how to make love. This fucking country doesn't teach chicks how to fuck, it's all left to chance. We learn how to fuck in the back seats of Chryslers, you know that! There ain't no school or nothin'. Fuck. The first time I dipped my dick in a chick I had to ask the chick was it in. I couldn't tell. Of course, I have to admit that first chick's cunt was like a small manhole. In Japan the chicks know what they're doing, though. They're taken when they're small tikes and given lessons. Can you beat that? That's what this chick - Melanie, that's her name - told me. I met her right over there in the corner. She heard about the wedding party at Mike's Place and came on up. She was drinking wine and grooving when I met her. You were too fucked up to remember. Melanie's been trained, man. She said she used to sneak off and take lessons; she knew a Japanese girl, they were girl friends. It was a strange relationship anyway, with her family, I mean. Her old man was out at the base all the time. You know how those army families are; I never met one yet that isn't completely fucked up. Melanie had this Japanese girl friend who was being trained. Her mother was seeing to it that she learned how to make love properly so she could please her future husband. That's how the Japanese people are, they know the essential things. Can you imagine, they teach American chicks multiplication when they should be teaching them copulation. That's what I call civilization, man, teaching young chicks how to please their future husbands. Can you imagine that happening here? Shit! The only thing you learn here is what your sister has between her legs, and to learn that you have to go out behind the garage. This chick Melanie went to classes with her Japanese girl friend, she took lessons. She told her mother she was taking Kabuki lessons or something. You know, Japanese culture. You've got to meet her, man. No, on second thought I want to keep her all to myself. She's an angel, terrific! I can't get over her. Whenever I think about her, I get this tremendous hard-on. I can't stop thinking about her. She almost fucked the end of my dick off. She uses little silk ropes with knots in 'em. Oh, man, I gotta tell you, I'll never be the same. What'll I do? Maybe I should marry her. If I don't, I may be fucked up for the rest of my life, victim of a magic fuck. I'll spend the rest of my life remembering that fuck. Knotted ropes up the asshole. Tell me, Kid, have you ever heard of that? When you come, she pulls it out. Oh, God, it's like your whole insides are coming out. I thought I was going to die. It's like making love while stoned but without the grass. It's better! You can see, taste, feel, smell everything! She has scents in her pussy, aromas, nothing is left to chance. Incense in her pussy. It smells like roses, sandalwood. I've been walking along all morning with my hand on my dick thinking about her. I've got a perpetual hard-on! It won't go away. Kid, you've got to help me reach a decision. If you don't, I may be fucked up for the rest of my life. If I don't marry her, I may spend the rest of my life looking for her. She's like dope, like smack! Once you're on, you don't want off. It's too good, too sweet. It's painful but it's a delicious pain. When I came, I thought I was going to die. I did die! That's what love is: death one fuck at a time."
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#28916 - 08/26/09 12:28 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Is this on the Temple of Set reading list? It reminds me of something Don Webb wrote...Or maybe it was Stephen Flowers. It should be included in future editions of the Crystal Tablet for sure.
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#28917 - 08/26/09 01:23 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Azathoth68]
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 Originally Posted By: Azathoth68
Is this on the Temple of Set reading list?

No, there's no Beat literature on the RL; and why-not is an interesting question. Possibly because the Beats tended to emphasize, or at least cherish the sensual; while the Temple of Set inclines towards the deliberate and the cerebral? But I can already think of exceptions in both camps.

Here's Jerry the K in a 2006 interview: still cute, still crazy.

If you're interested in the Beats, here's a very nice introduction. The old Beat HQ, City Lights Bookstore, is still bouncing merrily along in SF, and is definitely a must for visitors wanting to catch some of that historic flavor.
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#28919 - 08/26/09 02:11 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Kerouac and Ginsberg would've been great honorary Setians. Both had a great affinity for Xem...The Aeon of On the Road.

Edited by Azathoth68 (08/26/09 02:12 AM)

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#30590 - 10/18/09 01:23 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Azathoth68]
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I believe that, if the relationship is truly suited to both parties involved, then the age at which it is initiated should not matter. Responsible relationships come with the ability to compromise and intelligently work through any issues that may arise. Education, careers, and relationships with one's family and friends should never suffer because of a relationship.

The age at which one should begin to consider a serious relationship varies, does it not? Surely there are many men in their early thirties who remain incapable of forming a lasting relationship, due to innapropriate impulses, addictions, or other habits conflicting with the romance. I know of quite a few individuals who have been in a relationship since middle or high school, and still carry lovingly into their thirties, forties, and so on. It really depends on the people and their perception, rather than a particular age.
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#30605 - 10/18/09 07:13 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Phenex]
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I agree with you, the age of two people doesn't necessarily matter. From that perspective, the only things that should matter are what matters to the individuals involved. There's no set rules for what a relationship must entail to work properly, but their are definitely requirements. Flexibility can be beneficial, as well as an open-mind, when addressing a relationship.
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#30624 - 10/19/09 10:28 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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this is such a great huge big big TIP thank you sooo much for the tips and leadings!
wow..
i still try to memorize all of this but its soooo true!!!
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#51187 - 03/17/11 09:02 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Attend a western boxing club, or any martial art. Learning to defend oneself is one of the most important decisions one can make. Regular exercise and good nutrition, as you want to be as close to your physical fitness potential as you can, all the time, for increased sexual performance and also robust combat condition for when the situation arises unexpected.

Exercise and nutrition. Plenty fruit and vegetables. And learn to read labels on food to get the lowest fat and highest protein brands. Your body and mind will thank you for it in all regards, now and future.
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#51781 - 03/26/11 07:09 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I have a question for the men who are married and/or have children.

From your perspective, was this a biological need or simply a decision? Does a man feel the biological need to get married and/or have children at some point in his life?

Personally, I don't want to have children or get married ever but I want to know if I will ever feel the need to do such things. Is this an inherent part of human nature?

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#51782 - 03/26/11 07:15 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Ex_Insula_Angelorum]
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I've never felt the need to have children and have had a vasectomy since I was in my early 20s. I have never regretted deciding not to have children.
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#51785 - 03/26/11 10:55 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Ex_Insula_Angelorum]
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 Originally Posted By: Ex_Insula_Angelorum

From your perspective, was this a biological need or simply a decision? Does a man feel the biological need to get married and/or have children at some point in his life?

Personally, I don't want to have children or get married ever but I want to know if I will ever feel the need to do such things. Is this an inherent part of human nature?


Men have a biological need to fuck. Nature takes care of the rest. If you have children, you will usually feel some attachment to them.

The biological basis goes no further. "Getting married" and "deciding to have children" are not biological imperatives, they are intellectualizations (for men, anyway, can't speak for women).
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#51815 - 03/27/11 03:15 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Autodidact]
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 Originally Posted By: Autodidact
"Getting married" and "deciding to have children" are not biological imperatives, they are intellectualizations (for men, anyway, can't speak for women).


I'd say that most women have a pretty strong biological imperative to have children. We all know someone whose "clock is ticking." I melt whenever I see babies; often it’s all I can talk about. Fortunately, I can override this instinct-–I know I’m in no position to support children. I want to give my children the best, and the best is not now. I’ve seen far too many girls who can’t resist the urge to reproduce. It’s far easier to conceive than it is to raise a child…

This “baby hunger” is part of why the advice in Fist’s original post is so good. Many girls my age want babies so bad they can practically taste it. Once they think they’ve “bagged” a man (which usually occurs after moving in together), they figure that’s the green light to throw away the BC pills.

While I think his advice is excellent, I can’t help but think my guy should make an exception. Maybe it’s a bit self-serving, but there it is. All the regular temptations of living together (easy sex, cheaper when rent is split) are still there, but I promise I’m not a crazy bitch that’s going to get knocked up or dump a truckload of drama on him. We’re both very career-oriented.
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#51851 - 03/28/11 01:15 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I never had a biological need to get married or to have children. The former happened because it felt right and the latter happened in its own time (when the time was right). We didn't have kids for 6 years after we got married because we knew we weren't ready for them. We traveled and played and worked on work.

Anyway, no, never a 'need'.
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#51859 - 03/28/11 03:17 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fnord]
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I was married once while being a puppy. It didn't last too long. As with all my relations. To be honest, the main reason is always me. That's why I never felt the need to reproduce. I don't like to attach myself to anything that takes more than 15 minutes to walk away from. It doesn't work like that with your own kids, or at least, I could not do without feeling like a piece of shit. Kids are a responsibility a man should honor.

A while ago I, intellectually, toyed with the idea to manufacture a little D. but never ever felt a biological desire.

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#51864 - 03/28/11 04:48 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Diavolo]
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It always seems to be that there are adults who don't feel they want children who have more to offer as parents.

The way people look at their own children seems to be a simple matter of reverence, as to force the little person to acknowledge them, the parent, as being deserving of worship. When the parents narcissistic supply begins to form a rebellion and sense of self empowerment they call this an "out of control teen" in a context of it being some kind of failing. This is because the parent does not communicate with the child because they think they are a possession to control.

I recognise that school teachers do more to communicate with kids than a lot of parents do. I think a lot of people offer some parenting without getting the title. You don't have to actually make kids to offer advice and help to young people, and it's a good thing too because a lot of parents can't give two shits about their kids.
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#51865 - 03/28/11 04:59 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Hegesias]
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It reminds me of a Chuck Palahniuk quote:

"Your parents, they give you your life, but then they try to give you their life."

I've never been a kids person but my last two relations involved kids in the package. The last some quite young kids. What was interesting is that, while I had no parenting skills, those kids behaved quite well when I was around while their mother could hardly control them. I looked at them as young animals and saw when they were, no matter how "annoying", just acting upon instinct, and when it was time to call them to order.

Observing animals with their offspring and watch how much they tolerate and when they stop tolerating gives more clues about parenting than reading any book.

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#51869 - 03/28/11 08:46 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
It reminds me of a Chuck Palahniuk quote:

"Your parents, they give you your life, but then they try to give you their life."

I've never been a kids person but my last two relations involved kids in the package. The last some quite young kids. What was interesting is that, while I had no parenting skills, those kids behaved quite well when I was around while their mother could hardly control them. I looked at them as young animals and saw when they were, no matter how "annoying", just acting upon instinct, and when it was time to call them to order.

Observing animals with their offspring and watch how much they tolerate and when they stop tolerating gives more clues about parenting than reading any book.

D.
Mate, seriously, this is something which runs true with me. I still watch wolf documentaries, I've always had dogs. By always being around numerous German Shepard's this helped me, unconsciously, and then consciously come to realise, that we humans, rely, way too much, on verbal communication. We neglect to "feel" what is going on with each other because empathy is devalued, as being limited to pity, in Christianised society. A dog senses fear, a dog is alert and reactory, a societal human is a shambling unsynchronised mess in comparison.

I wonder if you look at peoples "gait" and can feel, very quickly, what they are made of. I think you know full well what I'm talking about.

If we get back to the feral we see that one does not need an ideology to feel, to know, to show. As humans we have the ability to work back through our abstract thinking and eliminate what is unimportant, but many of us seem to over complicate things so much that we neglect to experience what we are.
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#51881 - 03/28/11 11:26 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Hegesias]
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I've never had any interest in having children, biologically or by adoption. I never baby-sat or cooed over infants and managed, more or less to avoid their company entirely after primary school.

Now my partner has children who live with her ex and they come to stay for a week at a time around four times a year - they are 8 and 6. My partner has her own apartment across the corridor from mine and we live in both. I like the kids; they're bright and funny and they look like the person I love but there is no way I could have them around me as a permanent fixture. They are so demanding and so vulnerable - that's a heck of a responsibility. I enjoy reading to them and they make me laugh with their questions but I heave a sigh of relief when they go back home.

I'm an animal person when it comes to sharing space and cuddles. \:\)
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#51884 - 03/29/11 12:07 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: felixgarnet]
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That was an honest and very truthful post Felix and I can see what was beneath those words.

In this we see that parents of the establishment place high regard on what "they" get out of raising children, as a selfish pilgrimage for reverence, in totality no but this principle is prevalent as we see all to often the show off parent and the lazy parent. What you are saying is very natural and realistic to what children actually are — hard graft. Watching over vulnerable people who are in need of so much attention is draining because of the effort involved. And because you actually care about them you may find it stressful and draining and then need recharge time, parents that don't care so much can be the dismissal and quick fix kind.

There is nothing so adorable as a defiant child saying profound things. But they are hard work, by accepting this as a responsibility and being responsible this just means you actually care and are realistic.

I fought in the courts for years with the intent of actually getting the family back together. My daughter is 11 now and it destroyed me to lose parental responsibility years ago and for her mother to tell lies about me not existing, I hoped that things would be as they were again and tried for 10 years after the courts, without flinching in my conviction to reform us all.

3 years ago I realised that I don't feel anything for this world any more, I am impervious to any kind of pain and I do not believe my emotions are real any more and use them to gage how to behave and appear human which is stressful as all I feel is disgust for human beings and rage. My child does not know who I am. I just check on her situation because she is the only person in the world who is important, but to see her would be to confuse her and fold the universe they have created around her. She will eventually want to see me and I have support here for her.

This world is an enormous womb of sick, a grubby pilgrimage of greed and materialism, I'm not playing in that world, mine is some place else.
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#51894 - 03/29/11 11:52 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
I wonder if you look at peoples "gait" and can feel, very quickly, what they are made of. I think you know full well what I'm talking about.

If we get back to the feral we see that one does not need an ideology to feel, to know, to show. As humans we have the ability to work back through our abstract thinking and eliminate what is unimportant, but many of us seem to over complicate things so much that we neglect to experience what we are.


I rely mostly upon what I observe or "sense" when being amongst people or when having relations. I don't know how it is with others but when I'm in a relation, I sense any change in mood or if there is something, long before it is expressed; there is this subtle change which doesn't explain what is different as much as something is different.

If there wasn't such a social fixation upon verbal communication, I'd rather not talk at all. The same when in relations, I don't talk or share unless pressed but those darn females, they just love to talk and prefer verbal confirmation above the very behavior implying it.

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#51897 - 03/29/11 01:28 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Diavolo]
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Diavolo - might it be the brooding silence and general air of curmudgeonliness that causes this "subtle change" in your women-folk? Just saying. ;\)
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#51900 - 03/29/11 01:42 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: felixgarnet]
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No Felix but the fact that they vehemently kept stabbing the chicken they served for dinner did indeed give me some clues. ;\)

Most people are too focused on talking but words are just that. Often I'm sitting somewhere and when people talk to me, I see their mouths open and close, like fish, and nothing what they say even registers. But I'm constantly observing their behavior, their eyes, their movements, and it tells me all I need to know.

My last girlfriend needed three weeks before she dared to say "I love you" but I saw the "struggle" from the start. Of course when I replied "whatever" she was not amused.

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#51903 - 03/29/11 02:20 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: felixgarnet]
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I know what he's talking about. There are females who have a darker empathy and can read your vibes and thrive off them and then there are females who can't read you at all and say things like "what are you feeling, what are you thinking, be more open with me" when you can be laying there with a hard-on like Arnold Schwarzenegger's forearm, emanating waves of desire like a megaphone, yet some women seem to think there are complexities at work which matter in some important way.


I blame romanticism and media for confusing people and blurring their connection to what is actually intense and real between two people. Dark empathy and desire. The bestial over the spiritual.

These people talk about spiritual experience without realising that the feral and mundane is the raw and sobering current they need to awaken to experience and actualise their potential. I encounter a lot of smiling husks containing clusters of thoughts which have nothing to do with the moment they are in.

The only way I can describe the link is intensely focused paranoia on another being, a surge of dark positive energy which kills the ego and only awareness remains raw as everything is dim and dark yet vibrant and alive, crawling with energy.

There has been only two females that could actually let go of composure and not be afraid of my true nature. Repressed personalities just don't feel anything but intimacy fears when dealing with me. They like to convince themselves that they understand through abstract complexity that is alien to what is going on at the moment, when the mundane and severe is right in front of them, yet to intense for them to tap into. Maybe they never consider that becoming as a beast might shatter their hubris delusions with sobering stimulation and awareness.


People talk to much, complicate too much, and distract themselves from the reality which is too severe for their temperament. Talking all the time is not deep communication.

I come to realise this is through introspection as a means of reduction. I arrive always to the elimination of complexity, back to simplicity and insight into the mundane which is often to intense for people to grasp. They are removed from the mundane in a world of blissful confusion which is all very interesting to them. They who seek low level stimulation and comfort, quick fix closure in all things.

People who need reassurance when the actuality is in their face are so far removed and alien to Satanism.
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#51909 - 03/29/11 05:01 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Hegesias]
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Language is a great tool to interact and it did bring much advantage to humans but if you think about how long we had to rely on other signals during our evolution, before language, it becomes obvious, they can still serve their purpose and show where words hide.

I'm not a mentalist and I have no clue why I easily pick up those signals many are oblivious to, but they are there for all to see. Observing others is a great exercise to awaken them.

As in looking at two people having a conversation and you as a third party can clearly see one of them is bored by the other but this one, even while sitting next to him, is totally oblivious to that fact and keeps interacting. Or one staring at the other with puppy eyes, desperately desiring to be noticed more than this, while the other doesn't pick up those signals at all.

Observing others in silence is quite a good training to stimulate and practice that which seems to become dormant when words rule.

In relations it is often suggested to talk about everything, to share feelings or that which disturbs but I think it might be better to talk less, watch and learn to "feel" what goes on.

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#56923 - 07/15/11 08:46 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Diavolo]
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For the good of the cause, check out the No Marriage web site:

http://www.nomarriage.com/

This site was down for a while but it is back and better than ever. Years ago this same guy did a great pdf book which can be found here:

http://nomarriage.flippertv.com/No%20Marriage.pdf

I personally agree with damn near everything the guy says. Men, it is too late for me - save yourself!
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#57273 - 07/21/11 01:21 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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The cons out weigh the pros for me, I will never marry.
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#57275 - 07/21/11 03:07 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: toodarkpark]
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One-liner warning. Given once, not repeated. Adhere to the rules or leave.
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#57290 - 07/22/11 04:24 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Greetings Fist!

Excellent thread, Kudos!

I think you have failed to mention the Satanic Witch. When I was a young man I met a wonderful girl who tore my world apart. She was the most beautiful creature I had ever laid eyes on and she handed me The Satanic Bible. I was floored.

I was set in my ways, working on my education, and had a couple women who's bed I would frequent and she just turned my world upside down. I would have married her if ever given the chance. It was a wild relationship that lasted for a couple years but she too, being the Satanic Witch she was, also had multiple partners and would not commit.

When you find someone so completely able to "alter" your life and open doors you thought you didn't even see, you would throw out all of the rules and commit.

Now, many life times later, I hate to admit I am older and much more level headed. I feel I am completely in control of my emotions and have found a mate worthy of spending the rest of my life with... only we both have decided to NOT marry. We are comfortable in our life together, share work related stories daily, bank accounts, almost everything... except religious beliefs as she is an Atheist.

It is good advice for younger men, to not get caught up and let your dick run your life, but when you find one who turns your world upside down, you can't help it...
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#57303 - 07/22/11 10:33 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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I agree. I got married at 18, and just like WS, me and my wife share different views on religion, (I'm Satanist, she's Catholic, haha, I know right?) Love is the most powerfull black magic spell in the multiverse. It can take you from world's greatest to biggest shit pile ever. However when it finds you and it's right, it just is.
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#57626 - 07/27/11 02:44 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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Thank you Fist, firstly for serving our country, and secondly this advice is helpful to my situation right now...


I am 22, almost gonna be 23... Its time to really step up my game and focus on my Career, goals and finish College!

Before I was always trying to find a girlfriend to be in my life.... but when I did get one... all they made me do is Waste Time and money on them! I pretty much ditch my college classes to be with one of these girls!

Not anymore!! Focusing my my Career! signed up for College classes, and working hard at my job to get a promotion!!

But this advice helped me see the light at the end of the tunnel.... Thinking that if I had a girlfriend right now.. would make every other aspects in my life be IMPROVED

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#57676 - 07/28/11 01:29 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I love when men think they have women figured out, bahahaha.
Keep trying boys, and we'll keep playing you all like toys \:\)
It's adorable.

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#57680 - 07/28/11 02:43 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fckitharder69]
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What's to figure out about women? I already know absolutely what I like. \:\)
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#57682 - 07/28/11 03:09 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Hegesias]
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Oddly as a woman, I never wanted to get married. Yes, as a young girl I did the whole wanting a wedding thing. I had scrapbooks of wedding dresses and china patterns. Me and my girlfriends would talk about the music and food and locales. Never once had I thought about actually marrying a man and what that would mean. The feeling of wanting a wedding eventually drifted out of view with my childhood. And now come to find a man who wants nothing more than to be a married family man with a wife and children. I love him. And suddenly I don't care for a wedding. I just want the marriage and the same dream he wants. Somehow I got suckered in. It happens. It happens to us all. Just like death! ;\)
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#57712 - 07/28/11 04:28 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Noctuary]
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^Amen sister.
No one-liners, please.


Edited by SkaffenAmtiskaw (07/28/11 04:54 PM)

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#57720 - 07/28/11 08:01 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fckitharder69]
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 Quote:
I love when men think they have women figured out, bahahaha.
Keep trying boys, and we'll keep playing you all like toys
It's adorable.


Not all men are so easily manipulated and some of us do have quite a bit of your game figured out and can use it to our advantage. Women are just as easily played if one knows what they are doing.
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#57728 - 07/28/11 09:58 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fckitharder69]
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 Originally Posted By: Fckitharder69
I love when men think they have women figured out, bahahaha.
Keep trying boys, and we'll keep playing you all like toys \:\)
It's adorable.


You're contradicting yourself here.

See, it's much easier for MEN to figure out women. Especially if you have been in a relationship that lasts longer than 6 months. If a man has ever lived with a woman, surely you cant keep the walking-farts and waking up ugly a secret for long.

Boys on the other hand are still thinking with their dick, don't know which hole they're going to put it in next, and are easily manipulated by anything with a pulse. A Woman who wastes their time playing with boys need to mature some more.

IIRC you did mention you're only 21 and going to school... just make sure you don't take any drinks from the BOYS you're playing with in school or you'll wake up with your panties around your ankles and on You-Tube highlite reels.
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#57748 - 07/29/11 01:23 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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My point, is that SOME women think with their clits friend. We're not all as "dumb" as you impose. This is the 21st century, sorry we moved out of the kitchen, but WE DID! So, accept it?
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#57753 - 07/29/11 02:19 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fckitharder69]
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I think my psychoanalytical abilities to be on the level of Jung & Freud. And, like Freud, the female species has been one that I could never figure out. This, I presume, is because the creatures do not operate from a position of logic. Their base is emotion. Emotions are not something men are generally groomed to be adept in handling nor expressing. It's not impossible. But women aren't generally attracted to emo guys unless you're a rock god like Kurt Cobain, but we know how he turned out so I'm not following his example. Rather, I like the selfish womanizing psychopath who doesn't mind stepping on others to get what he wants, 007, James Bond, Sean Connery style. That is my role model. There is no emotional intelligence. The guy just takes what is rightfully his and smashes the rest. So where was I? I forgot to mention i display classic signs of ADD yet I do have the ability to re-read my post and correct my rambling, yet I don't care much bc I use online as a place to dump my own emotions-- this we should all be a little bit more forthright in admitting. So, where was I? Okay, woman I believe, women being hard to understand and figure out.

Did you know the vibrator was invented to cure hysteria in women? Good invention btw. Also, something like 90% of those diagnosed with borderline personality disorder are women! I always knew my ex gf was batshit crazy... little did I know it was completely normal and natural behavior for this species i don't quite understand nor ever will. I have expected them to be the unicorns walking in human form.

Megan Fox, I imagine, is purely the devil, in human form. Which is why I have found myself here, btw.

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#57754 - 07/29/11 02:48 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fckitharder69]
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 Originally Posted By: Fckitharder69
My point, is that SOME women think with their clits friend. We're not all as "dumb" as you impose. This is the 21st century, sorry we moved out of the kitchen, but WE DID! So, accept it? ;\)


LOL, I can accept that because my woman can't COOK worth a shit. Try figuring that one out about women...

 Originally Posted By: HeyZeusCreesto
I think my psychoanalytical abilities to be on the level of Jung & Freud. And, like Freud, the female species has been one that I could never figure out.


Freud couldn't figure out women because the twisted fuck was too OBSESSED with them. Everything the guy talked about was either incestual or female related. He is/was much worse off than any guy walking freely on the streets these days.

 Originally Posted By: HeyZeusCreesto
Megan Fox, I imagine, is purely the devil, in human form. Which is why I have found myself here, btw.


She is very yummy, but can't act her way out of a paper bag. I was very happy with the lovely Rosie Huntington-Whiteley as her replacement in Transformers 3.
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#57849 - 07/31/11 01:33 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Wicked Satanist]
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As you fella's know, I will only give you the straight dope. To wit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3HPO9iUEkE&feature=relmfu

This is no movie, this is real life!...
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#65348 - 03/09/12 06:26 PM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Fist]
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I came across this, and thought it fit in with this thread.

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_arti...ng_y_chromosome

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Morgan
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#65398 - 03/12/12 03:18 AM Re: Advice for young men... [Re: Morgan]
Dimitri Offline
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 Quote:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_arti...ng_y_chromosome

Article is a bit outdated here is a new one concerning the Y-Chromosome:
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The female" traits" among men were also present in the older days.. not much has changed since then. Just a logical fallacy of boys trying to see themselves men in creative ways.


Edited by Dimitri (03/12/12 03:20 AM)
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