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#106998 - 06/03/16 11:05 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Naama]
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 Originally Posted By: NA
So you do not agree that (like it was always in history) successful path of a Satanist/occultist - 
- demands (most of the time) 
- different sacrifices of different kind, along the way, to achieve the goals, 
where a strong stream of energy 
has to be released.
With enough wordsmithery any given person could make the case for or against supporting the effectiveness of an allegorical take on the word “sacrifice” over a literal one. Sure. But short of having experimented extensively in both, their opinions on the matter, like my own, no matter how well-worded and well-reasoned, amount only to so much conjecture and appeal to incidental matters of moral and legal practicality. Fortunately, that's neither here nor there. No claims are made by anyone concerning the effectiveness of one take on the word over the other in terms of “energy release” (a thing whose very nature itself is largely conjectured, sensed, and otherwise not-well-defined). Instead, they are content simply spell-out what the-path-of-X entails by way of practice and application with a series of shalts and shalt nots / is and is nots. In the case of the Satanic Bible, these is and is nots read much differently than how a fair number of people go-in expecting them to read.

It may come as a shock to the senses to some, but not everyone's reaction to this was “oh. I'm glad they clarified that”. It wasn't universally well-received, much less considered authoritative, by all who've read it. Some out-right reject it in favor of the very “misconceptions” the book goes out of its way to clear-up. While I'm not as extreme in my assessment of the thing, others have been, are, and will continue be. For some, stating that Satanism is not devil worship goes-over in much the same way as stating that football isn't soccer, or that African Americans are not niggers. For some, they read the Satanic Bible and were like “oh. These really were not the droids we were looking for”.

 Originally Posted By: NA
Other then "alive" being,- nothing really can offer that very level of "energy released". 
Isnt so..?
(That's exactly, by the way, why Christians say that "jesus-died-on-cross,)..
In the occult world, anything goes. It certainly isn't the craziest theory I've heard to-date, but it's nothing I'd present to anyone with a straight face.

 Originally Posted By: NA
Or /you really really think - that "human WILL alone" - (if properly exercised) - "can move mountains" 
- like psychology and psychologists suggest to the public- Freud, Jung, and Lavey (on the LHP side)
It'd be cool if human will alone could do such things. It does not seem as if it is so much as capable of starting small fires unassisted.
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#107002 - 06/03/16 12:53 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Czereda]
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No matter how hard one may try to deny it, the great majority of people get introduced to Satanism via Anton LaVey. The Satanic Bible may not be anything revelatory but it still serves as a gateway.


Not quite. LaVey was just describing a vibe, an MO that certain people live. I was already living this way, Satan or Satanism is just a descriptive of a prescriptive way of going about things.

So this is why any fringe group or practice would qualify.

To say that the TSB is a gateway is gross inaccuracy. I guess, only for the Occultnik's described by CoS members. Posers and fakers, trying to mask their core.

To say LaVey codified it is false. He didn't codify anything. He strung together preexisting described ideas and through in filler for publishing.

To say it's bullshit to combat your weak assessment is a weak argument Czereda.
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#107004 - 06/03/16 01:02 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
To say that the TSB is a gateway is gross inaccuracy.


Depends SIN. Someone with no clue about the occult or 'left hand' values may find it revealing, and begin a whole new study into the subject, maybe even change their livelihood.

Sure, it comes down to pre-existing conditions, but many unfamiliar pieces of information can act as gateways to new perspective and experience.
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#107005 - 06/03/16 05:58 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
To say LaVey codified it is false. He didn't codify anything. He strung together preexisting described ideas


I didn't say he invented them but selected them and put them into a coherent whole, organized the ideas into a coherent paradigm, gave a structure to something which was scattered here and there, disorganized. This is how I understand "codify." Dunno, maybe I misunderstood the verb but I explained what I meant next to it.

Most people read TSB in their teens and this is how they get introduced to Satanism. Later on, one usually turns to other sources and also starts searching for the antecedents. So yes, it does serve as a gateway.

The whole Satanic subculture started with Anton LaVey and his Church of Satan. All other organizations followed later and were created in response to Satanism embraced by the CoS: the Temple of Set, the ONA, the First Satanic Church, the Modern Church of Satan etc.

Of course, when it comes to the essence behind the label or -ism, then I'm not denying that the LHP or the occult in general predates LaVey, I just don't see much connection between the esotericism of the past and today occult scene. Anyway, even the Christian heretics who opposed the Pope, could be considered to embody the archetype of Satan as the adversary to everything that is accepted and considered virtuous.
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#107013 - 06/04/16 05:42 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Czereda]
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I do largely agree with your statement here.

The first thing that I thought of was an analogy around the same time frame of the whole 60's subculture. Take the mainstreaming of porn. Hugh Hefner (despite some of his ego inflated claims) did not invent the concept of pictures of naked women in a pin up setting. In it's most primitive concept, cavemen decorated the walls of their caves with crude drawings of the female form. Photographing nude women for calendars had also been around for a bit (remember that the first Playboy centerfold was a photograph of Marilyn Monroe that Hefner bought the copyright to from a calendar that had used it before). Likewise, there were always the "dirty books" that were sold in the back rooms of pool halls. Hefner also did not invent the concept of a lifestyle of sophistication. Obviously this could be traced back to the Victorian era. I also could be wrong, but I think that the fascination with Hollywood and entertainment was long before Hefner's time.

All of that said, Hefner was the guy who came along and took some from all of those concepts with a bit of Kinsey and Master's and Johnson and then began to brand it with his own personal philosophy. Everything that came after Playboy (no pun), from Penthouse, to Hustler, Deep Throat and all of the other magazines and videos came along largely because of the success that Hefner had with Playboy. So did Hefner invent any of these concepts? No. However, he did codify them in a way that was not done before and in that respect, he deserves credit for putting it on the map.

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Anyway, even the Christian heretics who opposed the Pope, could be considered to embody the archetype of Satan as the adversary to everything that is accepted and considered virtuous.



This is also true when you look at how John Aylmer, a bishop of England under Queen Elizabeth I used the term in his phamphlet, "An Harbour for Faithful and Truth Subjects" published in 1559, he used the term Satanist to describe atheists. Seeing as though that Satan is the Hebrew word for adversary I would also say that Satan is subjective as Anton LaVey also acknowledged in his works.

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#109360 - 10/07/16 04:25 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: theguybb]
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Satanism and Satanists were mostly unappealing to me until I had a dream I was having sex with the goat himself. The love of my life ended up being a Satanist. That was about five years later or so.
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#109367 - 10/07/16 09:51 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: 97and107]
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 Originally Posted By: 97and107
Satanism and Satanists were mostly unappealing to me until I had a dream I was having sex with the goat himself. The love of my life ended up being a Satanist. That was about five years later or so.


Why are all the hot ones batshit crazy?

Makes life interesting I guess.
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#109368 - 10/07/16 10:39 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Why are all the hot ones batshit crazy?


Sure, it might seem interesting at first glance.

Its not just the hot ones Dread.

I've given up questioning it. Its useless.
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#109450 - 10/11/16 07:57 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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We're all mad. It's a symptom of the way the human mind evolved. If you run the calculations that's the answer you end up with. If you don't choose what kind of crazy you will be then it will be chosen for you. Occam's razor does not factor in what is infinite and unknown. The simplest theory is never the right one in physics and often in biology. The difference between me and you is I know I don't know what I don't know.
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#109454 - 10/11/16 10:54 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: 97and107]
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 Originally Posted By: 97and107
The difference between me and you is I know I don't know what I don't know.


How do you conclude this difference between us? You know, besides an overdose of weed and mushrooms or whatever you WAtonians are on.

In any case, its fuckin' cold, I've been up all night, I'm going to sleep.

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We're all mad. It's a symptom of the way the human mind evolved.


And what of dreams? How have they 'evolved?'

In any case, I don't know what I'll dream of, and after its over, I'll probably forget.
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#109488 - 10/12/16 09:28 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
 Originally Posted By: 97and107
Satanism and Satanists were mostly unappealing to me until I had a dream I was having sex with the goat himself. The love of my life ended up being a Satanist. That was about five years later or so.


Why are all the hot ones batshit crazy?

Makes life interesting I guess.

Of all the posts by that member you could have chosen as support for the "batshit crazy" diagnosis, and you picked a generic female wet dream?
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#109502 - 10/13/16 04:57 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Kind of a straw/camel thing.

Wait, generic? LOL.
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#109507 - 10/13/16 09:49 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Wait, generic? LOL.

Within the last week...

 Originally Posted By: ShadowLover
As for Predator... He's a big strong warrior - what's not for a woman to desire. And I have a monster fetish and can do ugly. Plus there is the aspect of danger - it would be a hell of a face to sit on!

Yes, this is actually a fairly prevalent fantasy.

Even the most experienced and jaded men seem baffled when women try to explain how our dirty minds work.
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#109511 - 10/14/16 10:09 AM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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No, that's not it. I know you Chickie's are just as dirty as we are, probably worse.

The craziness here is more about how some sex dream about the devil is apparently causally related to her current relationship status. I dunno how generic that kind of thinking is.
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#109515 - 10/14/16 03:45 PM Re: what brought you to satanism? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Rhetorical I know, but my theory is that attractive people tend to skate through life on the reaction of people to their looks.

I imagine her social circle would be awed by such a claim. Illusion Correlation on tap and the audience is awe struck. The reality is, they probably aren't even listening and are too busy staring at her looks.

Has a different effect on a forum. I don't know that it makes life more interesting. I'd say it makes it rather boring and a-typical.

People believe in and capitalize on baseless claims to give their lives more depth.

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