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#10657 - 08/14/08 01:40 AM homosexuality and gay rights
blackdragon31560 Offline
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Well i thought i bring a something i don't think I've seen on the board yet, homosexuality and gay rights. As a heterosexual male, this topic is a simple to me. The way i see it if people have the the right to marry other people, who has the right to say whom anyone can or can not marry.

When people say that homosexuality isn't natural,i simply say look in the wild and you will see animals that are known for that, for example some species of monkeys, where it is common place. homosexuality has never been a issue for me, i believe in equal rights (for the most part).

So i ask this, what do you think of homosexuality, gay rights and does it fit in Satanism?
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#10658 - 08/14/08 03:01 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: blackdragon31560]
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Homosexuality is as old as mankind.

I'm straight, I see nothing wrong with it at all. In fact I kind of admire the flaming homosexual's, especially the younger ones. Think of profiling they have to endure everyday, and they could simply change the way they dress/act to conform. Yet they don't. They live as they want to. Good for them.

I'm glad that Canada has given the right to marry to all same sex couples.

Also, of course gay rights fit into Satanism. We're here to define our own path, and indulge. If having sex with someone of the same sex as you gives you pleasure, go for it !

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#10660 - 08/14/08 05:02 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Meemperor]
Dimitri Offline
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Well I do not mind if someone is gay, bisexual of lesbian. They are still people right?
The only kind of gay people or lesbian people that annoy me are those who are walking in the gay pride parade almost naked with pink feathers in their asses.. It can really get me mad. Yes, you are gay, yes you are pride of it; JUST ACT NORMAL!

If we heterosexuals do such a parade we aren't going say "hey look I'm heterosexual I'm nailing my girlfriend in a driving car with latex outfit on for everyone to see!". We could go to jail for that!
I have friends who are gay or lesbian or bisexual, I do not mind. I just judge on caracter. Of course to be honest if you are getting me mad I will gladly use all preconceptions against homosexuality against you to make you feel bad. Shouldn't have turned against me.

But in overall: I do not mind.
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#10667 - 08/14/08 12:39 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Dimitri]
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Whatever floats your boat, go right ahead!

Homosexuality is fine and dandy with me. Flamers do annoy me though... just like any person who excessively flaunts their stereotypical attributes. I hypothesize that there probably a lot more "normal" gay people, but nobody really notices because the flamers get all the attention.

Also, they should clearly have the right to legal marriage. Any person should be able to marry another person, regardless of race, religion, or gender. And for those who generally agree but are still slightly too homophobic to call it "marriage", do you honestly think gay people would make that distinction?

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#10672 - 08/14/08 03:40 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: The Zebu]
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Gay people are ok up to the point where they are in your face telling you that they like you and want to be with you, even though they know you have a girlfriend( this happens to me allot).
i also hate when people make remarks about the 'gay' ear. i myself have a earing in my right ear and people always think i am gay. that really sucks.
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#10678 - 08/14/08 08:39 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: harrison]
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I once had a buddy of mine ask me how I felt about two women making love? I told him "yeah as long as they are both hot."

Thats a joke people calm down.

But seriously:

My opinion on this is, marry whomever you want to. Have sex with whomever or whatever you want to. I am straight and have no interest in ever being with another guy: that being said, as long as you dont approach me to be sexually active with you - i dont care. I agree with the rest of ya'll to about the gay pride parades. Ok you are here and your queer - why do you deserve a parade?
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#10695 - 08/15/08 11:01 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: The Fat One]
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Having a ring in your right ear automatically makes you gay. It's a proven fact, as it upsets the delicate chemical balance in your brain. The only solution is to remove it, or get a ring on the other ear to balance it out.

I've had gay guys hit on me before- but I was kind of asking for it, considering I was in a gay club. Go figure.
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#10700 - 08/16/08 01:08 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: harrison]
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 Originally Posted By: harrison
Gay people are ok up to the point where they are in your face telling you that they like you and want to be with you, even though they know you have a girlfriend( this happens to me allot).
i also hate when people make remarks about the 'gay' ear. i myself have a earing in my right ear and people always think i am gay. that really sucks.

Face the reality gay men use the right ear only piercing as a signal to others that they are gay... This is common knowledge since around 1980... Therefore wearing just a right earing is telling them you want man meat... Would you walk around a prison in an orange jump suit and not expect to be thought an escaped convict? You are to blame for sending the wrong signal not them for wanting to be with you...

Simple fix pierce both ears or stop complaining... Seriously...

~T~

Edit: Think I am wrong just ask an older gay male...


Edited by ta2zz (08/16/08 01:12 AM)
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#10701 - 08/16/08 08:28 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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Ok, I am a bit confused by 'gay rights.' What rights do homos not have?

The most common 'right' they seem to be looking for is marriage. This begs the question, what is a marriage? Historically, marriage has been between a man and a woman. The Greeks had the most homo friendly society in history. Yet, they had no concept of 'gay marriage.' Even married men were free to engage in homosexual relationships. It was considered fairly normal. But still, no gay marriage. Why?
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#10702 - 08/16/08 08:54 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Ok, I am a bit confused by 'gay rights.' What rights do homos not have?

The most common 'right' they seem to be looking for is marriage. This begs the question, what is a marriage? Historically, marriage has been between a man and a woman. The Greeks had the most homo friendly society in history. Yet, they had no concept of 'gay marriage.' Even married men were free to engage in homosexual relationships. It was considered fairly normal. But still, no gay marriage. Why?

Why not? Because perhaps most people still think it is wrong.

Btw: why do we call a marriage a right? You are chaining yourself to someone else where you are pretty sure of it you will collide one day. If the answer is : "because of love"; then why marry? I can show my love in lots of other ways towards a girl.
The only thing marriage is a right in this century is for economical circumstances. But hasn't the bank has such things as a shared account you can start? Do you really have to marry for that? I don't call it a right. I call it idiotism. Even so if you think about it, some people claim marriage is good for your financial situations in the future. Are they insane? You give lots of money to one simple piece of clothing you only wear once! Double it because the groom needs one to. Then we got the invitations wich must be written on fucking expensive paper to make it look more "exquise". The hundreds of guests you invited need some food (and not the burger like crap 'cause it wouldn't be a feast then). And if you count it out, you need to take a loan sometimes wich can take years to pay off... To hell with it.

Anyway, it still makes me laugh if people start speaking of "gay rights". In what way are they different from us (with only difference they take it more brown town often)?
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#10704 - 08/16/08 03:20 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Dimitri]
Morgan Offline
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I think everyone has the right to be unhapply married...
as well as go through divorce hell.

If anything the marriage bit is only important in the event your partner dies.
If no marriage then legally the dead partners family can come in and take the kids and the house and throw you out cause there might be nothing tieing you to anything.

Lots of families are money grubbing trailerpark trash. After you or your partner is dead, they will come out of the woodwork to take whatever they can even especially if they dont deserve it or you cut them out of your life. And if you have a little bit of money, its gone before the funeral is over.

That's its.

Morgan
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#10708 - 08/16/08 04:03 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
harrison Offline
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you are totally right and i actually used your advice and got my other ear pierced. thanx for the davice. i must have sounded like a moron..
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#10788 - 08/20/08 07:35 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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Didn't think such conceptions still survived. Those things have been long gone where I live. I remember when I was a child that someone teased me for having an ear ring in my right ear, and naturally changed it. But that was about 14 years ago... Nobody cares in which ear your piercing hangs anymore. In Finland at least. Almost to everyone gays have become so everyday stuff that they don't need any special signs to identify them.
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#10803 - 08/20/08 02:51 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I asked an older gay male and he said it is still used as a signal in the click he is in... But have read that elsewhere it has little meaning any more...

Apparently it still carries a stigma in Canada if Harrison was being harassed because of it...

~T~
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#10889 - 08/22/08 10:57 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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This is a subject that makes me itch a little. As to whether or not it is natural, regardless of whether or not monkeys do it, I find it no coincidence that heterosexual activity requires some intermediary device to prevent reproduction, while homosexual activity does not. Even if you believe Darwin, we humans are a few generations removed from monkeys, so I don't think whether or not a certain sexual fetish (yes, I said fetish. I hate when it gets ballooned up into a "culture") is natural is determined by whether or not animals engage in it.

As to whether or not I approve, it does not require my approval or anyone else's any more than bd/sm, ab/dl, furries, ballooners or anything else involving consenting adults. One thing that really irritates me is when a guy gets pissed and threatens a gay guy for flirting with him. What's wrong with just saying "no thanks, sorry, I don't swing that way"? Would you get equally as violently upset if an ugly girl bought you a drink? They're just trying to meet someone like anyone else would, so to that degree I do believe that there is needed some social understanding of it. I fear, though, that flamers stunt any possibility of such. They just annoy and give credibility to their dejectors, but if it's their thing, they'll do it and no one can stop them.

As to the question of gay marriage, what's the issue? What business is it of an entire country or state or even town who wants to marry who? If the word "marriage" is what's getting the religious right in such a bind, then change the legal term, for both straight AND gay, to "civil union" and let "marriage" remain a spiritual matter to be taken up with your priest, rabbi, shaman, coven leader or whatever. If they still get pissy, fuck 'em.

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