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#10657 - 08/14/08 01:40 AM homosexuality and gay rights
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Well i thought i bring a something i don't think I've seen on the board yet, homosexuality and gay rights. As a heterosexual male, this topic is a simple to me. The way i see it if people have the the right to marry other people, who has the right to say whom anyone can or can not marry.

When people say that homosexuality isn't natural,i simply say look in the wild and you will see animals that are known for that, for example some species of monkeys, where it is common place. homosexuality has never been a issue for me, i believe in equal rights (for the most part).

So i ask this, what do you think of homosexuality, gay rights and does it fit in Satanism?
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#10658 - 08/14/08 03:01 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: blackdragon31560]
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Homosexuality is as old as mankind.

I'm straight, I see nothing wrong with it at all. In fact I kind of admire the flaming homosexual's, especially the younger ones. Think of profiling they have to endure everyday, and they could simply change the way they dress/act to conform. Yet they don't. They live as they want to. Good for them.

I'm glad that Canada has given the right to marry to all same sex couples.

Also, of course gay rights fit into Satanism. We're here to define our own path, and indulge. If having sex with someone of the same sex as you gives you pleasure, go for it !

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#10660 - 08/14/08 05:02 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Meemperor]
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Well I do not mind if someone is gay, bisexual of lesbian. They are still people right?
The only kind of gay people or lesbian people that annoy me are those who are walking in the gay pride parade almost naked with pink feathers in their asses.. It can really get me mad. Yes, you are gay, yes you are pride of it; JUST ACT NORMAL!

If we heterosexuals do such a parade we aren't going say "hey look I'm heterosexual I'm nailing my girlfriend in a driving car with latex outfit on for everyone to see!". We could go to jail for that!
I have friends who are gay or lesbian or bisexual, I do not mind. I just judge on caracter. Of course to be honest if you are getting me mad I will gladly use all preconceptions against homosexuality against you to make you feel bad. Shouldn't have turned against me.

But in overall: I do not mind.
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#10667 - 08/14/08 12:39 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Dimitri]
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Whatever floats your boat, go right ahead!

Homosexuality is fine and dandy with me. Flamers do annoy me though... just like any person who excessively flaunts their stereotypical attributes. I hypothesize that there probably a lot more "normal" gay people, but nobody really notices because the flamers get all the attention.

Also, they should clearly have the right to legal marriage. Any person should be able to marry another person, regardless of race, religion, or gender. And for those who generally agree but are still slightly too homophobic to call it "marriage", do you honestly think gay people would make that distinction?

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#10672 - 08/14/08 03:40 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: The Zebu]
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Gay people are ok up to the point where they are in your face telling you that they like you and want to be with you, even though they know you have a girlfriend( this happens to me allot).
i also hate when people make remarks about the 'gay' ear. i myself have a earing in my right ear and people always think i am gay. that really sucks.
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#10678 - 08/14/08 08:39 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: harrison]
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I once had a buddy of mine ask me how I felt about two women making love? I told him "yeah as long as they are both hot."

Thats a joke people calm down.

But seriously:

My opinion on this is, marry whomever you want to. Have sex with whomever or whatever you want to. I am straight and have no interest in ever being with another guy: that being said, as long as you dont approach me to be sexually active with you - i dont care. I agree with the rest of ya'll to about the gay pride parades. Ok you are here and your queer - why do you deserve a parade?
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#10695 - 08/15/08 11:01 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: The Fat One]
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Having a ring in your right ear automatically makes you gay. It's a proven fact, as it upsets the delicate chemical balance in your brain. The only solution is to remove it, or get a ring on the other ear to balance it out.

I've had gay guys hit on me before- but I was kind of asking for it, considering I was in a gay club. Go figure.
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#10700 - 08/16/08 01:08 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: harrison]
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 Originally Posted By: harrison
Gay people are ok up to the point where they are in your face telling you that they like you and want to be with you, even though they know you have a girlfriend( this happens to me allot).
i also hate when people make remarks about the 'gay' ear. i myself have a earing in my right ear and people always think i am gay. that really sucks.

Face the reality gay men use the right ear only piercing as a signal to others that they are gay... This is common knowledge since around 1980... Therefore wearing just a right earing is telling them you want man meat... Would you walk around a prison in an orange jump suit and not expect to be thought an escaped convict? You are to blame for sending the wrong signal not them for wanting to be with you...

Simple fix pierce both ears or stop complaining... Seriously...

~T~

Edit: Think I am wrong just ask an older gay male...


Edited by ta2zz (08/16/08 01:12 AM)
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#10701 - 08/16/08 08:28 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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Ok, I am a bit confused by 'gay rights.' What rights do homos not have?

The most common 'right' they seem to be looking for is marriage. This begs the question, what is a marriage? Historically, marriage has been between a man and a woman. The Greeks had the most homo friendly society in history. Yet, they had no concept of 'gay marriage.' Even married men were free to engage in homosexual relationships. It was considered fairly normal. But still, no gay marriage. Why?
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#10702 - 08/16/08 08:54 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Ok, I am a bit confused by 'gay rights.' What rights do homos not have?

The most common 'right' they seem to be looking for is marriage. This begs the question, what is a marriage? Historically, marriage has been between a man and a woman. The Greeks had the most homo friendly society in history. Yet, they had no concept of 'gay marriage.' Even married men were free to engage in homosexual relationships. It was considered fairly normal. But still, no gay marriage. Why?

Why not? Because perhaps most people still think it is wrong.

Btw: why do we call a marriage a right? You are chaining yourself to someone else where you are pretty sure of it you will collide one day. If the answer is : "because of love"; then why marry? I can show my love in lots of other ways towards a girl.
The only thing marriage is a right in this century is for economical circumstances. But hasn't the bank has such things as a shared account you can start? Do you really have to marry for that? I don't call it a right. I call it idiotism. Even so if you think about it, some people claim marriage is good for your financial situations in the future. Are they insane? You give lots of money to one simple piece of clothing you only wear once! Double it because the groom needs one to. Then we got the invitations wich must be written on fucking expensive paper to make it look more "exquise". The hundreds of guests you invited need some food (and not the burger like crap 'cause it wouldn't be a feast then). And if you count it out, you need to take a loan sometimes wich can take years to pay off... To hell with it.

Anyway, it still makes me laugh if people start speaking of "gay rights". In what way are they different from us (with only difference they take it more brown town often)?
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#10704 - 08/16/08 03:20 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Dimitri]
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I think everyone has the right to be unhapply married...
as well as go through divorce hell.

If anything the marriage bit is only important in the event your partner dies.
If no marriage then legally the dead partners family can come in and take the kids and the house and throw you out cause there might be nothing tieing you to anything.

Lots of families are money grubbing trailerpark trash. After you or your partner is dead, they will come out of the woodwork to take whatever they can even especially if they dont deserve it or you cut them out of your life. And if you have a little bit of money, its gone before the funeral is over.

That's its.

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#10708 - 08/16/08 04:03 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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you are totally right and i actually used your advice and got my other ear pierced. thanx for the davice. i must have sounded like a moron..
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#10788 - 08/20/08 07:35 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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Didn't think such conceptions still survived. Those things have been long gone where I live. I remember when I was a child that someone teased me for having an ear ring in my right ear, and naturally changed it. But that was about 14 years ago... Nobody cares in which ear your piercing hangs anymore. In Finland at least. Almost to everyone gays have become so everyday stuff that they don't need any special signs to identify them.
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#10803 - 08/20/08 02:51 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I asked an older gay male and he said it is still used as a signal in the click he is in... But have read that elsewhere it has little meaning any more...

Apparently it still carries a stigma in Canada if Harrison was being harassed because of it...

~T~
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#10889 - 08/22/08 10:57 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ta2zz]
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This is a subject that makes me itch a little. As to whether or not it is natural, regardless of whether or not monkeys do it, I find it no coincidence that heterosexual activity requires some intermediary device to prevent reproduction, while homosexual activity does not. Even if you believe Darwin, we humans are a few generations removed from monkeys, so I don't think whether or not a certain sexual fetish (yes, I said fetish. I hate when it gets ballooned up into a "culture") is natural is determined by whether or not animals engage in it.

As to whether or not I approve, it does not require my approval or anyone else's any more than bd/sm, ab/dl, furries, ballooners or anything else involving consenting adults. One thing that really irritates me is when a guy gets pissed and threatens a gay guy for flirting with him. What's wrong with just saying "no thanks, sorry, I don't swing that way"? Would you get equally as violently upset if an ugly girl bought you a drink? They're just trying to meet someone like anyone else would, so to that degree I do believe that there is needed some social understanding of it. I fear, though, that flamers stunt any possibility of such. They just annoy and give credibility to their dejectors, but if it's their thing, they'll do it and no one can stop them.

As to the question of gay marriage, what's the issue? What business is it of an entire country or state or even town who wants to marry who? If the word "marriage" is what's getting the religious right in such a bind, then change the legal term, for both straight AND gay, to "civil union" and let "marriage" remain a spiritual matter to be taken up with your priest, rabbi, shaman, coven leader or whatever. If they still get pissy, fuck 'em.

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#10921 - 08/23/08 09:00 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: VictorGrigorii]
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Victor may be the only one yet who gets it.

Marriage is a religious ceremony. Now, do I really need to explain to a group of satanists the function of ceremony?

People marry each other. It is an agreement - a contract. States, govts, and churches can approve/endorse such unions, but ultimately people marry each other in presence of their friends, family, and community.

Again, as to 'gay rights' what rights are they being denied?
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#10941 - 08/23/08 01:38 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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"It is an agreement - a contract. States, govts, and churches can approve/endorse such unions, but ultimately people marry each other in presence of their friends, family, and community."

As I said Before:

If anything the marriage bit is only important in the event your partner dies.
If no marriage then legally the dead partners family can come in and take the kids and the house and throw you out cause there might be nothing tieing you to anything.

Also if the gay marriage is not recoginized then no health insurance or social security benefits either.

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#11315 - 09/09/08 02:08 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
The only kind of gay people or lesbian people that annoy me are those who are walking in the gay pride parade almost naked with pink feathers in their asses.. It can really get me mad. Yes, you are gay, yes you are pride of it; JUST ACT NORMAL!


Dude, I totally agree with this. Being gay is no more a sexual orientation but a fashion to some of them, and I find it ridiculous. Well, people can do whatever they want, but it looks unsafe to me.

Sometimes you may tell that being an immigrant in a country is also more than an origin, it becomes a culture. But immigrants have an original culture from their original country and there's nothing weird in the fact they want to keep it, whether they also embrace their new country's culture or not... cosmopolitanism is OK with all the respect of each other etc.

But gay people don't have an original culture. Is it worth it creating one (probably that kind of gay people want to take a "revenge" against idiots who oppress them or something like that), which will at last keep them apart of straight people ? I don't know if it's a good solution for everyone to live together in order.

PS : I feel the need to precise I don't give a damn about people's sexual orientation (same about people's origins or skin color or whatever). I already had myself a gay experience when I was younger, even if now I know I'm straight ;\)

PS 2 : One thing I'm wondering is about having children adopted by gay couples... I can't choose my mind about it. What do you guys think ?
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#11448 - 09/13/08 02:11 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Impius]
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I have no problems with homosexuals, or bisexuals. Whether it is a choice, or it is natural I do not know nor do I really care. As for does it fit into Satanism, well of course it does they(homosexuals) are living life the way they want regardless of whether or not someone agrees with it. They are doing what makes them happy. As for flamers, while they are annoying, so are people that fit into any particular stereotype and do so just because it gets them attention.
I believe that gay couples are looking for something more than a civil union only due to the fact that it is a ceremonial matter. Even though they get most or all of the rights, depending on the state, of a marriage through civil union. They want more than just the legal documentation that they are "together." As Fist said marriage is a ceremony, and I believe that that is what homosexual couples feel is missing in their "culture." They want this ceremony, whether or not it has any difference as compared to a civil union. It is this psychodrama for them and their family to partake in. A way for them to show that they truly are in love with one another. It may not make a difference to us whether or not they get married or partake in a civil union, but it does to them. I say let them, but who am I to judge?
As for the few people who said that they don't like being hit on by gay guys; if you have an issue with it or it makes you uncomfortable then how much effort does it really take to say "no, thanks" or even "I'm straight." I have had several gay guys hit on me, and I found that if you tell them you are straight or even no thank you, they leave. Unlike the proverbial guy at the bar, who continuosly hits on a woman even after she has blatantly turned him down.
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#11450 - 09/13/08 06:11 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Morgan]
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Again, homosexuals are not denied any legal rights. They can enter any contract they wish. A simple living will and power of attorney can actually confir more rights to the other partner than a simple marriage can.

Again and again I will ask this, what rights do homosexuals not enjoy in the US?

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Also if the gay marriage is not recoginized then no health insurance or social security benefits either.


Ahhhh, now we may be getting to the core of the matter.....

So are we then just looking for a pay day?
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#11455 - 09/14/08 02:40 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Again, homosexuals are not denied any legal rights. They can enter any contract they wish. A simple living will and power of attorney can actually confir more rights to the other partner than a simple marriage can.

Again and again I will ask this, what rights do homosexuals not enjoy in the US?

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Also if the gay marriage is not recoginized then no health insurance or social security benefits either.


Ahhhh, now we may be getting to the core of the matter.....

So are we then just looking for a pay day?


I would have to agree with you, to me it would seem that what is the most important part of this ceremony called marriage, ultimately can be boiled down to the issue of money. There is always a base root to every issue political or religious, and a lot of time it boils down to money.
Homosexuals aren't denied any rights in the US in the states that allow civil union or marriage, but not all of the states allow civil unions. In fact only a handful of them do, so this may be how this whole gay marriage thing can be settled. If every state would just except the civil union of a homosexual couple. They don't need to make it a "marriage" a civil union would suffice, as it carries all the weight of a marriage, save for the ceremony itself.
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#11944 - 09/28/08 11:08 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: ShadowWalker]
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do satanists get married?

Interesting, obviously there can be no right to marriage for homosexuals within the Catholic Church... perhaps they may in some liberal wishy washy try to please man instead of God ...i.e. as LaVey points out.. Satanist "Christian" church

but could they get married in a satanist church?

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#11980 - 09/29/08 01:39 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: lux]
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Have you read The Satanic Bible yet? Honestly, you need to go away for a while until you have done your homework.
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#12463 - 10/10/08 04:28 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: VictorGrigorii]
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I think homosexuality is perfectly acceptable , i'm hetrosexual but i dont see anything wrong with it and i think people who have a problem with it are probobly just scared of the fact that they have homosexual urges themselves.
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#14020 - 11/07/08 09:14 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: VictorGrigorii]
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So, it is now a matter of law.

The widely gay friendly California now has a legal definition of marriage that supports the historical ideas of marriage. The gay friendly Florida, and not so gay friendly Arizona passed similar legislation.

Again, I will point out that ancient Greece was the most gay friendly society in history and there was not even the slightest concept of homosexual marriage.

Also, since we all stirred up about race at the moment. Would anyone care to comment on how the large Black election turn out affected the marriage propositions?
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#14021 - 11/07/08 10:24 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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Not to mention the Hispanic bloc. They are very conservative in regards to traditional marriage, and they have such a large presence in Florida and California. It was a combination of them, blacks and conservative whites that put those amendments into their respective states' constitution.
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#14022 - 11/07/08 10:43 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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I disagree with the fact that there was no concept of homosexual marriage in ancient Greece.
First, marriage was pretty simplistic in those days. You both decide to choose the other and act like such and you're a married couple. They didn't have all that trivial shit we have nowdays. The ceremony was fairly simple. I think daddy-in-law had to agree but if you'd have enough blingbling or a nice position, that wouldn't be a problem.

If you'd check the same-sex marriages you'd notice that they were idential. You can debate whether it really was a marriage or not but if it looks like a marriage and smells like a marriage, it's pretty damn possible it is a marriage.

Anyways, I do think marriage as we know it is a rather retarded concept. There are much better options that tend more to reality and aren't still stuck in the forever phase. I also see very little reason why gay people want to marry. Hell, not for the religious tradition coz they consider them sinners and the legal part can be solved in a different manner. Maybe it's the fairy tale aspect, I don't know. Personally I could care less whom or how many wear the dress.

I'm not familiar enough with the concept of homosexuality in the black part of America but I assume they tend to find it almost as popular as the muslim population here. So I assume they won't vote for 'all things equal'.

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#14024 - 11/07/08 12:42 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Diavolo]
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I tend to believe along the lines of the Bachman-Turner Overdrive Song, YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET. "Any love is good love."

It really doesn't matter to me what gets someone off in the night, so long as I'm only involved if I want to be, and that their choice of pleasure doesn't hinder me from exploring mine. I see no reason that the same rights afforded heterosexuals can't be afforded to same-sex unions, simply because the concept of marriage is not sanctified as specifically religious in nature. At its root, it's an economic contract with subsequent social association, and always has been.

Marriage as we know it today simply is the financial bonding of two people together. Love plays a part in it for sure, but leagally bound, the two must be legally separated, over and above any religious constructs to allow equity of financial holdings, be it a house, money or other monetarilly valuable commodity. After this, the emotional separations concerning children, pets, etc. are tackled... but even with children, there's concern for the contractual obligations of support, and this then is the only significant difference between a "gay" or "straight" marriage, unless adoption is involved.

Hell, let 'em get married. Let them share equally in the joys and pains of "til death do us part." Sometimes even with straight people, death is a viable option!

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#14027 - 11/07/08 01:42 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Jake999]
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The problem has always been the definition of marriage. Just what is a marriage? Originally, marriage was used to formalize the partners responsible their offspring.

It is worth noting that in the Abrahamic religions, the church does not marry people. People marry each other in front of their community. The religious officer only exists to 'bless' the union and to give the union greater weight in the eyes of the community.

Our more secular modern culture does, in fact, marry people. A marriage is not valid in the eyes of the State unless the couple is granted a govt marriage licence.

Once govt is involved in the marriage industry, govt MUST define marriage in order to properly regulate it. At the moment, it would seem that the people have spoken.
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#14030 - 11/07/08 02:22 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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Down here you can marry in front of whatever church or cult you like, nothing is official. You need to be married by an 'official' of the state, mostly the town mayor to be married in the eyes of the state. So the state defines what a marriage is indeed. The ones wanting the glamour wedding, or what we call the church wedding here, have to marry twice.

If you look around in societies; you'll notice that all the minorities 'protected' by all those spiffy laws are often the ones not really being bothered about following those laws themselves when it comes to the next minority.

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#14060 - 11/08/08 02:02 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Fist]
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They talked about this on the Bill Maher show on HBO last night.
70% of black, and I think 45-55% of whites/hispanics voted against gay marriage. There was a lot of money spent by the anti-gay marriage block. There was not as much as an outreach to the black churches. They spoke about how community churches started with civil rights, but were against gay rights.

I think the issue needs to be more basic and clearer.

Equality within a marriage partnership, thus protecting children, home ownership, pensions, and death benefits.

Its not about a god anymore, its about money.


And Love, well, whats love got to do with it...


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#14070 - 11/08/08 06:04 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Morgan]
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I will sincerely enjoy to see how this plays out. The reliably Dem black vote stems from traditional black church within the black community. It is a fairly open minded but largely conservative community. It stands largely opposed gay social agenda.

However, the gay community is more activist and is a bigger donator to the DNC.

So, how will the Dems be able to pander to both communities? I see this referendum in several more states for the 2010 elections.
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#14153 - 11/10/08 02:50 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: VictorGrigorii]
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All I have to say is I believe homosexuality is fine. It's human nature. My Christian family of course freaked when I was asked my opinion on homosexuality. They said it wasn't natural. They asked me how does someone know they're gay? I asked them how do you know you're straight? My point: It's natural. And Satanism is all for following your natural carnal instincts as a human. Of course, no one really cares for an in your face anything, be it gay or straight. I do agree on the gay parade thing...why should they get a parade all for themselves? If they get a parade, then shouldn't there be straight and bisexual parades as well? Or why don't we just skip the parades and live? If anything is in your face, they typically lose credibility, such as Christians, gays, etc. So I think it's ok if they're just chill and live their life. Don't bring attention to it and everyone will stay off their back about being gay.
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#14162 - 11/10/08 07:45 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Chelsea_Grin]
Morgan Offline
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In the gay pride parade, bisexuals march as well.
I guess you didn't realize that.

"If anything is in your face, they typically lose credibility, such as Christians, gays, etc."

What do you mean by this?

"So I think it's ok if they're just chill and live their life. Don't bring attention to it and everyone will stay off their back about being gay."

AND how does this address the issues of gay rights?

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#14167 - 11/11/08 01:59 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Morgan]
Chelsea_Grin Offline
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I know alot of gays, and they've marched in gay parades many times, but I guess failed to mention it is a parade open to bisexuals as well...do you know if it is also open to gay supporters, or do you have to be gay/bi to participate? I didn't know that, so thanks for that tidbit!

And by that, I kind of went by personal experience and things I've heard from others...when someone is in your face preaching to you about something,or being obnoxious about something you typically tend to ignore it or be like wtf. You don;t want to pay attention to them and you definately wouldn't want to say "oh, i like what they're doing, lets join them and be obnoxious too".

and the last part was simply opinion. it doesnt necessarily adress the issues, and i do know the biggest problem with gays is that its "against god". but an underlying issue is people dont like gays also because they tend to associate them as "flaming gays" and whatnot, which draws attention to themselves when they do flame. yes, its their right, but sadly, it attracts negative attention.

I recently told a few what i thought were trusted friends that i was bisexual. They didn't like that too much. I drew negative attention to myself just because I mentioned it. They had been friends for many years, and just because i was bisexual didnt change who i was or how i acted towards them.It's sad how negative people are on this topic.

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#14197 - 11/11/08 10:54 AM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Chelsea_Grin]
Morgan Offline
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Yes, supporters can march too.

"when someone is in your face preaching to you about something,or being obnoxious about something you typically tend to ignore it or be like wtf."

Like Xitans, cheerleaders, civil rights, and other forms of stupidity?
The only real outspoken gay group isn't as loud as it used to be.
I still own one of their tee shirt...
Silence equals Death

"and whatnot, which draws attention to themselves when they do flame. yes, its their right, but sadly, it attracts negative attention."

You do realize that this can also be used as a reason against Satanism. The pushy, stupid, in your face with no fucking clue satanists.

"I recently told a few what i thought were trusted friends that i was bisexual"

You live in Atlanta, your boyfriend voted republican, and your 17, you attend a christian school. Did you really think that anyone would support your view. Hell, I bet your boyfriend supports it because hes gets to be in or watch 3 somes.


Hell, people will put to the stake and burn true satanists rather than gay people on any given day.


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#14208 - 11/11/08 12:55 PM Re: homosexuality and gay rights [Re: Morgan]
Jake999 Offline
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I suppose it's because I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area for so long... or that a friend was a leader of ACT UP in the city, or that I rubbed shoulders with gay / bisexual / transgendered people, or that I'd lady friends that were bisexual, but the idea of someone's sexuality being an issue to me is so outre that it's hard to even think that so many people could devote their time to it.

And what gets me chuckling is that I STILL hear people clucking, "THEY DO UNNATURAL THINGS IN BED." I suppose... because NO heterosexual would ever lick or suck their partner's yahoo or hoohah. And NO heterosexual would ever stick their yahoo in their partner's wazoo instead of their hoohah. And No heterosexual male would ever be turned on watching another woman rub his woman's hoohah, and nooooooooo... he would never... never... get in the middle and do a double yahoo/hoohaa or the fabled yahoo/hoohah/wazoo hat trick!!

The ultimate victory in human and equal rights is when we see the time when it just won't matter what goes on in someone elses bedroom unless we personally are involved. There are places down south in the good old US of A where (I'm hoping the laws have been repealed) it was up until recently that "deviant sex" and "sodomy" were punishable even amongst married heterosexuals! When the powers that be (be they religious, social or peer) can control the most basic of human instincts, there can be no personal freedom on any higher plane that is truly protected.

I live down south, and with some of the draconian laws on "sexual deviancy," I have well over 250 years of jail time racked up. I'm heterosexual, but if they REALLY pressed the laws, it would fill prisons, and your chances of being in a cell with someone guilty of "gay sex" as a heterosexual could well be higher than that of a homosexual.
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