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#10740 - 08/19/08 12:07 PM About Traditional Satanism
Nordgard Offline
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What do you think about the traditions? the "old" way:
okay, normal stereotypes:
- pray to satan
- sacrifice cats, dogs, fowls, et cetera

i beenie: i am a noctic satanist! stands for traditions!

what do you think about the old way?
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#10745 - 08/19/08 02:02 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
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The closest thing Satanism has to "tradition" is the Church of Satan, which is atheistic and rejects both of those practices.

The vast majority of people here would be against animal sacrifice. It's pointless- if Satan were a deity that he probably wouldn't care if people made offerings or any of that nonsense. It's wasteful to kill something for no material purpose- Satan would much rather us eat the animal than leave it for him on some altar.

But seriously- cats? dogs? I could maybe understand if they were animals like calf and sheep, but NO traditional religion would sacrifice domestic pets or the like. That's just stupid.

If you believe Satan is some kind of god, go right ahead and pray your heart out to him. I'd rather pray to myself though. That way I know someone's listening and my prayers will be answered.

I've never heard of "Noctic Satanism" before so I can't really say anything about it. Maybe if you defined what you mean by "satanic tradition" we could understand you better. But any claim of genuine historical tradition in theistic Satanism is bullshit- There's no proof of anything even vaguely resembling organized Satanism prior to the 1800s.

(I can also see this thread being locked in the forseeable future... oh well)

My advice to you is to do some more research. These topics have been covered before.


Edited by The Zebu (08/19/08 02:03 PM)
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#10746 - 08/19/08 02:04 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: The Zebu]
Nordgard Offline
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^^
i see my english is not that good i thinked ;\)
Castille Peroint, in the french revolution ;\) is the first theistic satanist i ever heard ;\) he teached the way of pure rage and hate, for life and love! its bit strange to explain in english... i will try it tomorrow ;\)
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#10760 - 08/19/08 03:40 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
Dimitri Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Nordgard
^^
i see my english is not that good i thinked ;\)
Castille Peroint, in the french revolution ;\) is the first theistic satanist i ever heard ;\) he teached the way of pure rage and hate, for life and love! its bit strange to explain in english... i will try it tomorrow ;\)

Euhm, there were theistic satanists before the french revolution. I think if you take a better look at the normal history lessons you'd have seen a lot more theistic ones.
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#10766 - 08/19/08 06:27 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
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Anyone can Pray to Satan.
Pray to whomever you think answers you...

I like praying to myself.

The older traditions, dont like to even use his name (satan, etc.) cause he might be listening. Re: The Yedzies(middle east).

Animal sacrifice, is pointless.
If you are doing it for an energy standpoint, why are you dealing with small animals.
Do a Bull, Or a Cow, or a Human.
Why deal with lesser creatures to empower yourself?
It only lessens you.

I sometimes prefer Crowley medoths of sacrifice.

Not that I condone animal sacrifices or human sacrifices like that. Thats all part of Xitian/Christian beliefs.
Be a cannabal, join the Xitan church.
Free flesh & blood every sunday....

Morgan
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#10774 - 08/19/08 08:24 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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The Yezidi don't worship Satan... technically they worship an "angelic Iblis" but he is not the adversary of God in any way. Instead of being kicked out of heaven for not bowing down before Adam, Melek Taus was enthroned for his "disobedience" because he would only bow down to God, which proved his loyalty.

Another account states that he did fall, but redeemed himself, and God granted him the "seven earths and the throne of heaven."

The religion of the Yezidi is clearly a left-hand faith consisting of an odd mix of abrahamic Islam, persian religion, Sufism, and folk beliefs- they are just grossly misunderstood because they are a minority and their primary focus of worship bears so much resemblance to "Lucifer".

They don't worship an adversarial deity, nor are any of their beliefs Satanic in the philosophical sense. Therefore you cannot call them traditional theistic Satanists.

True theistic Satanism is a fairly recent practice.
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#10780 - 08/20/08 12:12 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Anyone can Pray to Satan.

Anyone can pray, hope, preform magic, or gain something by ritual... Its all the same bullshit...

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Animal sacrifice, is pointless.
If you are doing it for an energy standpoint, why are you dealing with small animals.
Do a Bull, Or a Cow, or a Human.
Why deal with lesser creatures to empower yourself?
It only lessens you.

Agreed... It is only a weak loser that needs to harm dogs or cats to feel empowered...

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Not that I condone animal sacrifices or human sacrifices like that.

Me either but at least kill something large and dangerous using crude weapons perhaps try boar hunting with only a knife...

I sure hope something was lost in your translation otherwise if you feel the need to harm animals that were bred to trust humans then you are simply a buffoon...

~T~

EDIT: I should have read this first...
"Age: 18
Occupation: Highpriest

Translation: LOSER


Edited by ta2zz (08/20/08 12:24 AM)
Edit Reason: Marked
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#10787 - 08/20/08 06:41 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
Seti 352 Offline
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 Quote:
EDIT: I should have read this first...
"Age: 18
Occupation: Highpriest

Translation: LOSER


Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti

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#10789 - 08/20/08 07:44 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
Dimitri Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
 Quote:
EDIT: I should have read this first...
"Age: 18
Occupation: Highpriest

Translation: LOSER


Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti

Nope, only the new ones who try to show-off with their dumbness.
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#10796 - 08/20/08 11:24 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Dimitri]
Nordgard Offline
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I am a highpriest cause i was called as the new highpriest if the old one died! ask him if you ever see him, why i am was his successsor!

please do not understand me in a wrong way
i think (dammit its more than hard to translate the words i have to say)
its an radical way i entered cause of:
do you know "Satorius"? from switzerland? he think and tell other that he's the greatest satanist ever, his way is the only right one! there can't be an other way! he tell the truth!
you know?
bullshit like lavey said before he died!
okay i agree, its my point of interpretation the spoken words!
but, dammit, i see the injustice in those words, for me, and i would changed it! its bit strange ^^ sorry ;\)
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#10798 - 08/20/08 11:35 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
Dimitri Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Nordgard
I am a highpriest cause i was called as the new highpriest if the old one died! ask him if you ever see him, why i am was his successsor!

please do not understand me in a wrong way
i think (dammit its more than hard to translate the words i have to say)
its an radical way i entered cause of:
do you know "Satorius"? from switzerland? he think and tell other that he's the greatest satanist ever, his way is the only right one! there can't be an other way! he tell the truth!
you know?
bullshit like lavey said before he died!
okay i agree, its my point of interpretation the spoken words!
but, dammit, i see the injustice in those words, for me, and i would changed it! its bit strange ^^ sorry ;\)


Still looks like bullshit to me.. altough you cannot be safe enough...
I'd say: type the text in you mothertongue/ motherlanguage and PM it straight forward to me. I know the german language pretty good.

 Quote:
Me either but at least kill something large and dangerous using crude weapons perhaps try boar hunting with only a knife...

Heh, I like your style of thinking..


Edited by Dimitri (08/20/08 11:37 AM)
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#10801 - 08/20/08 02:32 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti

About as normal as one like you to try to play forum mommy, trying to correct my ways...

Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now...
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#10807 - 08/20/08 05:16 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
Seti 352 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti


About as normal as one like you to try to play forum mommy, trying to correct my ways...

Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now...


I asked you a simple question. A question which you either chose not to answer, or one which you are incapable of answering.

As for your other commentaries, nice try but no cigar this time. \:\/


-Seti

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#10808 - 08/20/08 05:32 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
Morgan Offline
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"Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now..."

Ta2zz, thats funny.
She should be starting school soon at her Xitan college.
Funny when do you think they will realize that they are just part of an admitted christian school project?

Try some Goat Milk soap, it cleans and refreshes....

Morgan
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#10810 - 08/20/08 06:09 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
Seti 352 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now..."

Ta2zz, thats funny.
She should be starting school soon at her Xitan college.
Funny when do you think they will realize that they are just part of an admitted christian school project?

Try some Goat Milk soap, it cleans and refreshes....

Morgan




If you are going to go off-topic and attack another Satanic organization, it would be nice if you backed up your arguments with something other than conjecture.

Yours in Christ,

Seti

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