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#10740 - 08/19/08 12:07 PM About Traditional Satanism
Nordgard Offline
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What do you think about the traditions? the "old" way:
okay, normal stereotypes:
- pray to satan
- sacrifice cats, dogs, fowls, et cetera

i beenie: i am a noctic satanist! stands for traditions!

what do you think about the old way?
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#10745 - 08/19/08 02:02 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
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The closest thing Satanism has to "tradition" is the Church of Satan, which is atheistic and rejects both of those practices.

The vast majority of people here would be against animal sacrifice. It's pointless- if Satan were a deity that he probably wouldn't care if people made offerings or any of that nonsense. It's wasteful to kill something for no material purpose- Satan would much rather us eat the animal than leave it for him on some altar.

But seriously- cats? dogs? I could maybe understand if they were animals like calf and sheep, but NO traditional religion would sacrifice domestic pets or the like. That's just stupid.

If you believe Satan is some kind of god, go right ahead and pray your heart out to him. I'd rather pray to myself though. That way I know someone's listening and my prayers will be answered.

I've never heard of "Noctic Satanism" before so I can't really say anything about it. Maybe if you defined what you mean by "satanic tradition" we could understand you better. But any claim of genuine historical tradition in theistic Satanism is bullshit- There's no proof of anything even vaguely resembling organized Satanism prior to the 1800s.

(I can also see this thread being locked in the forseeable future... oh well)

My advice to you is to do some more research. These topics have been covered before.


Edited by The Zebu (08/19/08 02:03 PM)
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#10746 - 08/19/08 02:04 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: The Zebu]
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^^
i see my english is not that good i thinked ;\)
Castille Peroint, in the french revolution ;\) is the first theistic satanist i ever heard ;\) he teached the way of pure rage and hate, for life and love! its bit strange to explain in english... i will try it tomorrow ;\)
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#10760 - 08/19/08 03:40 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
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 Originally Posted By: Nordgard
^^
i see my english is not that good i thinked ;\)
Castille Peroint, in the french revolution ;\) is the first theistic satanist i ever heard ;\) he teached the way of pure rage and hate, for life and love! its bit strange to explain in english... i will try it tomorrow ;\)

Euhm, there were theistic satanists before the french revolution. I think if you take a better look at the normal history lessons you'd have seen a lot more theistic ones.
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#10766 - 08/19/08 06:27 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
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Anyone can Pray to Satan.
Pray to whomever you think answers you...

I like praying to myself.

The older traditions, dont like to even use his name (satan, etc.) cause he might be listening. Re: The Yedzies(middle east).

Animal sacrifice, is pointless.
If you are doing it for an energy standpoint, why are you dealing with small animals.
Do a Bull, Or a Cow, or a Human.
Why deal with lesser creatures to empower yourself?
It only lessens you.

I sometimes prefer Crowley medoths of sacrifice.

Not that I condone animal sacrifices or human sacrifices like that. Thats all part of Xitian/Christian beliefs.
Be a cannabal, join the Xitan church.
Free flesh & blood every sunday....

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#10774 - 08/19/08 08:24 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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The Yezidi don't worship Satan... technically they worship an "angelic Iblis" but he is not the adversary of God in any way. Instead of being kicked out of heaven for not bowing down before Adam, Melek Taus was enthroned for his "disobedience" because he would only bow down to God, which proved his loyalty.

Another account states that he did fall, but redeemed himself, and God granted him the "seven earths and the throne of heaven."

The religion of the Yezidi is clearly a left-hand faith consisting of an odd mix of abrahamic Islam, persian religion, Sufism, and folk beliefs- they are just grossly misunderstood because they are a minority and their primary focus of worship bears so much resemblance to "Lucifer".

They don't worship an adversarial deity, nor are any of their beliefs Satanic in the philosophical sense. Therefore you cannot call them traditional theistic Satanists.

True theistic Satanism is a fairly recent practice.
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#10780 - 08/20/08 12:12 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Anyone can Pray to Satan.

Anyone can pray, hope, preform magic, or gain something by ritual... Its all the same bullshit...

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Animal sacrifice, is pointless.
If you are doing it for an energy standpoint, why are you dealing with small animals.
Do a Bull, Or a Cow, or a Human.
Why deal with lesser creatures to empower yourself?
It only lessens you.

Agreed... It is only a weak loser that needs to harm dogs or cats to feel empowered...

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Not that I condone animal sacrifices or human sacrifices like that.

Me either but at least kill something large and dangerous using crude weapons perhaps try boar hunting with only a knife...

I sure hope something was lost in your translation otherwise if you feel the need to harm animals that were bred to trust humans then you are simply a buffoon...

~T~

EDIT: I should have read this first...
"Age: 18
Occupation: Highpriest

Translation: LOSER


Edited by ta2zz (08/20/08 12:24 AM)
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#10787 - 08/20/08 06:41 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
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 Quote:
EDIT: I should have read this first...
"Age: 18
Occupation: Highpriest

Translation: LOSER


Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti

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#10789 - 08/20/08 07:44 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
 Quote:
EDIT: I should have read this first...
"Age: 18
Occupation: Highpriest

Translation: LOSER


Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti

Nope, only the new ones who try to show-off with their dumbness.
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#10796 - 08/20/08 11:24 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Dimitri]
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I am a highpriest cause i was called as the new highpriest if the old one died! ask him if you ever see him, why i am was his successsor!

please do not understand me in a wrong way
i think (dammit its more than hard to translate the words i have to say)
its an radical way i entered cause of:
do you know "Satorius"? from switzerland? he think and tell other that he's the greatest satanist ever, his way is the only right one! there can't be an other way! he tell the truth!
you know?
bullshit like lavey said before he died!
okay i agree, its my point of interpretation the spoken words!
but, dammit, i see the injustice in those words, for me, and i would changed it! its bit strange ^^ sorry ;\)
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#10798 - 08/20/08 11:35 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Nordgard]
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 Originally Posted By: Nordgard
I am a highpriest cause i was called as the new highpriest if the old one died! ask him if you ever see him, why i am was his successsor!

please do not understand me in a wrong way
i think (dammit its more than hard to translate the words i have to say)
its an radical way i entered cause of:
do you know "Satorius"? from switzerland? he think and tell other that he's the greatest satanist ever, his way is the only right one! there can't be an other way! he tell the truth!
you know?
bullshit like lavey said before he died!
okay i agree, its my point of interpretation the spoken words!
but, dammit, i see the injustice in those words, for me, and i would changed it! its bit strange ^^ sorry ;\)


Still looks like bullshit to me.. altough you cannot be safe enough...
I'd say: type the text in you mothertongue/ motherlanguage and PM it straight forward to me. I know the german language pretty good.

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Me either but at least kill something large and dangerous using crude weapons perhaps try boar hunting with only a knife...

Heh, I like your style of thinking..


Edited by Dimitri (08/20/08 11:37 AM)
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#10801 - 08/20/08 02:32 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti

About as normal as one like you to try to play forum mommy, trying to correct my ways...

Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now...
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#10807 - 08/20/08 05:16 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
Ta2zz,

Is it usual here to attack a new member who obviously is having problems with the English language? \:\/

- Seti


About as normal as one like you to try to play forum mommy, trying to correct my ways...

Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now...


I asked you a simple question. A question which you either chose not to answer, or one which you are incapable of answering.

As for your other commentaries, nice try but no cigar this time. \:\/


-Seti

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#10808 - 08/20/08 05:32 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ta2zz]
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"Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now..."

Ta2zz, thats funny.
She should be starting school soon at her Xitan college.
Funny when do you think they will realize that they are just part of an admitted christian school project?

Try some Goat Milk soap, it cleans and refreshes....

Morgan
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#10810 - 08/20/08 06:09 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now..."

Ta2zz, thats funny.
She should be starting school soon at her Xitan college.
Funny when do you think they will realize that they are just part of an admitted christian school project?

Try some Goat Milk soap, it cleans and refreshes....

Morgan




If you are going to go off-topic and attack another Satanic organization, it would be nice if you backed up your arguments with something other than conjecture.

Yours in Christ,

Seti

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#10814 - 08/20/08 06:46 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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Seti, whilst you may have recently found WSA and 352, we have been dealing with Kayla and Sin for quite a while.

We know that Richard is a police officer at the 13th Precinct in New York and we know that Kayla is a Catholic schoolgirl.

You are the one that doesn't actually know much.

Sorry to burst your theistic bubble.

Zeph
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#10817 - 08/20/08 07:16 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Seti, whilst you may have recently found WSA and 352, we have been dealing with Kayla and Sin for quite a while.

We know that Richard is a police officer at the 13th Precinct in New York and we know that Kayla is a Catholic schoolgirl.

You are the one that doesn't actually know much.

Sorry to burst your theistic bubble.

Zeph


Okay, I can see that subtle doesn't work here. Oh well. So, lets review the argument:

1. I asked if it was normal to attack someone who acknowledged having problems with writing in English.

2. The response was an ad hominem attack upon both myself & WSA that had nothing to do with the topic.

3. Morgan backed up ta2zz's attack & added her own attack on WSA.

4. I stated if one was going to go off topic, then one should supply facts.

5. You stated that Kayla and Sin are well known here & that one is a police officer and one is a Catholic schoolgirl. (Note: I do not understand the correlation between one's school and/or job and being a Satanist. What does it matter?)

6.A side-note: I don't have a theistic or non-theistic bubble to burst.


Please note, I did not bring up WSA-not even in my introduction. So this is all just off topic. If anyone has a problem with Kayla or Sin, it would make a lot more sense to take it up with them. Don't you think? ;\)


-Seti

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#10820 - 08/20/08 07:43 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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Seti,

You brought up 352 in your name, your avatar etc, your links etc.

We don't have a 'problem' with Kayla or Richard, but with the uneducated know it all newbies that they send here to try and one up Ta2zz, Morgan and Myself.

Come here as your own person and representation and it wouldn't happen. What ever happened to respect in someone's lair?

This is our lair as such, Ta2zz and Morgan having been here many many years longer than either Sin or Mercie, actually I have been here quite a bit longer than both also, although I still consider myself a relative newbie.

We are free to attack or compliment who we like.

You however are yet to prove yourself as anything more than a groupie to WSA.

Fact, you are a newbie and as such should be respectful to those established here.

Fact, alot of what you read on the WSA site is wrong. Not everyone here is LaVeyan, stupid and backwards.

Fact, we know what we are talking about, do you?

Fact, Richard is a theist that two years ago was going to Church. He is unhappy with his life and thinks that becoming part of the 10 percent will change the fact that he is basically unhappy with himself and his situation.

Go circle jerk back at your own site, leave us adults alone.


Zeph
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#10821 - 08/20/08 07:53 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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oh yeah,

"Its interesting over there to say the least. Luckily, I'm not that knowledgeable on the history there. So I'll foolishly charge in where the brave dare not go. lol

But no major worries, my academic work is in philosophy, so I'm pretty used to arguing about meaningless subjects for hours on end.

Besides, they've already accused me of being a cultist and part of a scam organization. Not bad for my first day there.

-Seti
352 Cultist at-large"


Yes nice work, you will be taken very seriously here. LOL


NOT

Zeph
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#10822 - 08/20/08 07:54 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Part of a scam organisation? Can you show me the 'facts' of where that was said?


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Like I said, enjoy your circle jerk with WSA, they're very very good at it.

Zeph
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#10824 - 08/20/08 07:58 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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 Originally Posted By: Seti 352
I asked you a simple question. A question which you either chose not to answer, or one which you are incapable of answering.

As for your other commentaries, nice try but no cigar this time. \:\/

Sorry I answered your question in as simple a manner as possible... Now if you are not capable of understanding it or the answer is not the one you were looking for... Well the fault lies with you...

~T~

I suggest you submit any other such questions pertaining to anyones behavior here at the 600 club to the forum moderators... They cover the job quite nicely with little to no need for noobie forum mommies...

You are not worth anymore of my time...
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#10825 - 08/20/08 08:03 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Go circle jerk back at your own site, leave us adults alone.

I am getting old or tired or both how did I miss page two? Zeph your my new hero...

~T~
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#10831 - 08/20/08 11:47 PM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Part of a scam organisation? Can you show me the 'facts' of where that was said?


LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Like I said, enjoy your circle jerk with WSA, they're very very good at it.

Zeph


The Facts:

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"Damn now I went and talked at another 352 cultist... I feel dirty now..."

Ta2zz, thats funny.
She should be starting school soon at her Xitan college.
Funny when do you think they will realize that they are just part of an admitted christian school project?

Try some Goat Milk soap, it cleans and refreshes....

Morgan


I have underlined the relevant passage.

As for your other "points": what my avatar, name or signature says or reads is irrelevant to this thread. You are merely using that as a justification for your actions.

Additionally, I have not been disrespectful to anyone on this board. On the other hand, I have been on the receiving end of your disrespect several times. The three of you have problems with WSA and/or Kayla & Richard. I understand that, but frankly its not my problem. Its your problem & I will reiterate that you should take it up with them, not me. (You obviously know where the board is.) You claim to be an adult, so why not act like one and just get over it.

-Seti

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#10832 - 08/21/08 12:12 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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You are part of an admitted Christian school project? Or haven't they explained all that to you yet. When you have met then all face to face, like they portend they do, then what you say may hold some water, until then, run along back to your kiddie friends and bitch and winge about how little respect you managed to garner for yourself here.

And BTW, what your name, signature and avatar says is relevant to EVERY thread as it is the total representation of who and what you are.

Zeph


Edited by ZephyrGirl (08/21/08 12:12 AM)
Edit Reason: spelling correction
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#10834 - 08/21/08 12:46 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I don't even understand why all this childish fussing is even relevant to the topic.
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#10835 - 08/21/08 01:03 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
You are part of an admitted Christian school project? Or haven't they explained all that to you yet. When you have met then all face to face, like they portend they do, then what you say may hold some water, until then, run along back to your kiddie friends and bitch and winge about how little respect you managed to garner for yourself here.

And BTW, what your name, signature and avatar says is relevant to EVERY thread as it is the total representation of who and what you are.

Zeph


Zeph,

Since we are being moronic, lets pretend you are right about how "what your name, signature and avatar says is relevant to EVERY thread as it is the total representation of who and what you are." Ok? Your name is ZephyrGirl. Now Zephyr originates from the Greek & means a wind or "Something that is airy, insubstantial, or passing." (American Heritage Dict. 2007) So which is it?

But I would like to thank the three of you for answering my question. I asked whether attacking a new member was normal, and your actions have proven that it is normal- at least here. But, if I need to send someone to a circle jerk-I'll know where to send them. You three seem to enjoy jerking people around, so I'll just send them here from now on.

- Seti

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#10836 - 08/21/08 02:11 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: Seti 352]
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A zephyr is a light wind. I'm a bit like a breath of fresh air, rather than being insubstantial or passing.

Zephyr was also the Greek God of the West Wind.

It is also a really cool Ford from the 70's, a motorbike and a bunch of other cool things that are hardly instubstantial or passing.

Do you feel jerked around? Maybe you should have found out what you were getting into before rushing headlong into a situation you knew nothing about.

Not all new members are attacked. You are making assumptions, because you have backed the wrong horse out of the gate. Ooops.

Sorry, we should call every new member, 'brother or sister' and all circle jerk about how cool each other is, when actually we don't even know each other. Yeah, that's way better!

Sorry Asmedious, you spoke too soon about all the intelligent conversations lately.

Zeph
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#10837 - 08/21/08 02:38 AM Re: About Traditional Satanism [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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