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#108828 - 09/18/16 11:34 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Persona non grata]
Bartho LeMule Offline
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You're obsessed with your chicken Quesadilla. What's 'Consevation' [sic] mean?

Every year you come around you do the same shit over and over again. And the same shit happens:

1: you write a few walls of text at some wordpress, which nobody gives a fuck about enough to read.

2. you have to come here to post links to your shitty tower of text and solicit random people to read your blog.

3. people make fun of you, mock you.

4. you cry, and get all butthurt.

5. you run away for a year.


Edited by Bartho LeMule (09/18/16 11:39 PM)

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#108830 - 09/19/16 10:26 AM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Enantiodromia]
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Either way, he will again get his ass whooped and withdraw, butthurt, after a few weeks. Then "take a short break from the internet", come back after 3 months, whining and proclaiming how none of the "online folks" gets anything done.

Sorry, but who's gonna take you seriously if you do that shit for years?


In Praise of N913

All the usual rhetorical bullshit aside, this is what caught my attention:

A while ago he was, as individuals new to the Occult and to the O9A often are, enthusiastic, eager, and desirous to share his experiences and opinions with others. For so sharing, he was chided, mocked, by many self-described modern satanists. He was also tested (tested being the operative term) by some individuals associating themselves with the O9A who wrote some unflattering things about him. Thus did this person retreat away from the internet, from sharing his experiences and opinions with others.

Retreat, in order to experience, to reflect, to learn via pathei-mathos (the operative term here being pathei-mathos). Which self-learning he has done (as is so obvious in his recent writings), as a result of which experiences he has returned to share with others and in public some aspects of his personal learning, his experience.


So now getting butthurt is called pathei mathos. From how this shit reads, Anton Long must be a psychopathic boy who gets a kick out of breaking his toys. It's a metaphor, of course. Even on silly SIN 1.0 people were held to a lil bit higher standards. The point was not to get asshurt and not to leave no matter what.

It's one more sign they don't take the self-proclaimed O9A initiates seriously.
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#108832 - 09/19/16 11:04 AM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda


In Praise of N913

All the usual rhetorical bullshit aside...


Indeed.

All the rhetorical internet games aside, the emotive content of the "polemical" rant you linked to is yet more proof that Michael Aquino is right - and has been correct about the ONA - all this time. The ONA; as Michael Aquino has proven; is simple David Myatt behind a typewriter; and now computer.

The ONA is just one man who has an obsessive jealousy with Anton LaVey and the influence that LaVey has had, and still has.

The ONA is whatever David Myatt via his internet personas says and write it is at any time.

Being ONA isn't actually about doing anything, believing anything. Being ONA is based on how David Myatt emotively FEELS about you at any given time.

If David Myatt has negative FEELINGS about you, he will write shit about you, like he did with Hollow. And like he has done with Darryl. When he has positive FEELINGS about you, he will whimsically say that you are ONA, and he'll rhetorically make up a few "rationalizations" to support his emotive opinions about you. It's predictable that when Darryl triggers in Myatt a negative emotion, that Myatt will once again reject Darryl as a wanna-be ONA pretender. For now, Myatt is FEELING good FEELINGS.

This is all the ONA is and ever was in reality. Just one guy behind a computer and his emotive, flip-floppy opinions.

And so it's not surprising that people in this forum, and other genuine Satanists have the opinion that the ONA is a joke.

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Just to clarify:

Rhetoric is defined as:

1) language that is intended to influence people and that may not be honest or reasonable
2) the art or skill of speaking or writing formally and effectively especially as a way to persuade or influence people
source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rhetoric

Every time you see a rhetorical piece, in essence the rhetoric is an attempt at persuading the opinions of an audience, as well as the persuasion of public opinion.

David Myatt, with his rhetorical polemics is attempting, in a elementary way, to persuade the opinions of the Satanic Community and of his internet ONA fanboys on how they should perceive modern Satanism. As Anna said: Coke versus Pepsi.


Edited by Bartho LeMule (09/19/16 11:37 AM)

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#108833 - 09/19/16 12:26 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Bartho LeMule]
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 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule

David Myatt, with his rhetorical polemics is attempting, in a elementary way, to persuade the opinions of the Satanic Community and of his internet ONA fanboys on how they should perceive modern satanism. As Anna said: Coke versus Pepsi.


So in the end both LaVey and Myatt elaborated this prank called "Satanism" to fuck with a bunch of people who were looking for something "sinister", right? I mean, there's a bunch of photos of LaVey performing satanic rites and he looks goofy as hell, isn't that evidence on how seriously he took the whole thing?


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#108834 - 09/19/16 01:02 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Sargeist]
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 Originally Posted By: Sargeist
I mean, there's a bunch of photos of LaVey performing satanic rites and he looks goofy as hell, isn't that evidence on how seriously he took the whole thing?


You're very correct!

And that's the beauty of what LaVey ORIGINALLY founded. LaVey made it no secret. His "Satanism" as a "thing" grew within a specific contextual matrix. He made it no secret that he spent many years as a carnie, and that his time spent with circuses and carnivals had an influence on his "Satanism."

The "philosophy" behind LaVey's Satanism wasn't a big fucking deal. We know so because he just grabbed a little of Might Is Right, some Rand, some 1960's Witchcraft (recall "The Satanic Witch" book he wrote), some Crowley, some OTO, some Enochian shit. Whatever.

The saying "not being able to see the forest from the trees" applies here. Or another way to put it is that people pay attention to the minor details of the bits and pieces of Might Is Right, Rand, etc, and they fail to see the bigger picture: that it was tongue in cheek, a way of actually mocking the Judeo-Christian culture of LaVey's era.

Originally, LaVey's shit was a tongue in cheek establishment. That it was called the "Church" of "Satan" should be telling, of how unserious, and how fun it was. It was about as serious and religious or sanctimonious as the Church of the SubGenius.

The problem is that "dead men don't talk and tell." And so when LaVey died, you have two things happen:

1) People like Gilmore et al, re-interpret what LaVey established into something serious.

2) People with a religious mentality begin to take the shit seriously, as if it was a real religion, a real philosophy.

This has been this way for most religions. The Buddha did not create "Buddhism." The Buddha never put his teachings into writing. It was the Buddha's companion Ananda who retold what he sopposedly heard and recalled the Buddha teach and do, that ultimately became the Tripitaka.

Jesus Christ never wrote down what he taught. Saint Paul did the writing and retelling of what Jesus did and taught, and then the other Saints.

When the guy is dead, his followers will alter his teachings to fit their interests. We're all fucking human. It's human nature to do this. To speak on behalf of the dead... to reinterpret what dead men have said, where we say: "Oh, this is what such and such dead prophet REALLY, TRULY meant when he said this and that."

When Myatt dies in 30 years, you can be sure as hell that his handful of followers will speak on his behalf, reinterpret shit he said, and recreate the ONA in their own image, for their own interests. What's a dead man going to do about it?

I personally really like the original fun, carnie, tongue in cheek Satanism that LaVey actually put together. I think it's fun, simple, down to earth, and cool.

It's the shit his followers, who take or make the shit into something serious, that eventually produced "Modern Satanism," which lost that fun, unserious, spirit; becoming something that is taken to be a serious religion, or a serious philosophy.

And what's annoyingly amusing is that you have David Myatt and his handful of fanboys who are Reacting to not what LaVey originally established, but what his followers have created.

It's as stupid and silly as if a person today were to hate on Christianity, or Buddhism, or Islam because of what has been written, because of how it is practiced, because of how its adherents interpret such things to be... unaware that the Buddha never taught Buddhism (Ananda did), that Jesus never taught Christianity (Paul did), and Muhammad never taught Islam (see a book called "Did Muhammad Exist", by Robert Spencer).

The ONA was fun and cool, when it was just writings, when nobody took it seriously. Now, the fanboys have turned ONA into some serious religion, some serious philosophy, and they have turned Myatt into a serious sour-faced prophet. The same shit that happened to LaVey's "Satanism," has happened to the ONA.

When mundanes overpopulate anything, they will normalize it and recreate it into their image and likeness.


Edited by Bartho LeMule (09/19/16 01:12 PM)

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#108836 - 09/19/16 01:28 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Persona non grata]
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Off-rip, all criticisms you’ve received so far are equally as hilarious as they are warranted – they’re funny because they are true.

For starters, your end product is twice removed from the labels it is pimping itself through *that is, no one would care at all about it were you not bandying about the label “ONA”, and no one would care about the label “ONA” had it not marketed itself as some sort of super sinister Satanism. That said: I do not mock Satanism or the ONA for that matter. I am mocking you specifically – as well as anyone else who can’t distinguish themselves or their own ideas from the labels they pimp them through.

On an intellectual level, you haven’t given me or anyone else much to work with. This is fucking acid babble. Deeply flawed pop-occultism. Klein bottle philosophy whose only discernible function is to explain itself. It otherwise conveys no useful information whatsoever about___ anything at all. Your “ideals” do not warrant detailed criticism, but here’s some hints free of charge:

The first law of thermodynamics applies to closed systems. It actually says more about what a closed system, by definition, is than anything else. The only closed system in existence (that we know of so far) is the universe itself. News flash: you don’t exist or operate on a universal scale. You haven’t even left this planet. In fact, it’s doubtful you so much as leave your mother’s basement for any significant amounts of time.

Secondly, you’ve managed to create a numbering system that struggles with numbers larger than fucking five! Way to go, Corky.

Everything else you’ve described is a syncretism of a few of other already-well established phenomenological mnemonic-sets (“occult systems”) in existence, and I have no reason to believe you really understand any of these wheels well enough to be reinventing them. How you manage to at once acknowledge the relationship between horos and sophia (or perhaps I am being too generous in that assumption) and still proceed to muck that all up with even more useless symbols is literally fucking hilarious.
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#108838 - 09/19/16 03:19 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Persona non grata]
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@ Hillbilly Nexion 913

You have a primal need for Attention, Acknowledgment, Recognition, and Validation don't you Darryl.

Having your own wordpress blog just isn't enough. You have to come here to manifest the primal need you crave. Making posts here just isn't enough... you have to bomb people's private mail box with messages (like mine).

You fucking hillbilly attention whore. Fucking WalMart shopper. You fucking worthless White-Peasant trash.

Folks, this guy walks around barefoot in overalls like his kinfolk do in the Appellation mountains. He brews moonshine in the forest. I've seen pictures of him. Here's one: Darryl's Pic.

He's just a hillbilly with an internet connection.


Edited by Bartho LeMule (09/19/16 03:21 PM)

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#108841 - 09/19/16 04:20 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Bartho LeMule]
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 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule

Originally, LaVey's shit was a tongue in cheek establishment. That it was called the "Church" of "Satan" should be telling, of how unserious, and how fun it was. It was about as serious and religious or sanctimonious as the Church of the SubGenius.


LaVey's motivations behind "codifying" Satanism are clear to me now. However I'm not 100% sure that Myatt also intended his ONA as a mockery of religion as well. If he did then he sure was really committed to the prank, with all the stuff he wrote (and that apparently keeps writing.)


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#108842 - 09/19/16 04:37 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Bartho LeMule]
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 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
And that's the beauty of what LaVey ORIGINALLY founded. LaVey made it no secret. His "Satanism" as a "thing" grew within a specific contextual matrix. He made it no secret that he spent many years as a carnie, and that his time spent with circuses and carnivals had an influence on his "Satanism." The "philosophy" behind LaVey's Satanism wasn't a big fucking deal. We know so because he just grabbed a little of Might Is Right, some Rand, some 1960's Witchcraft (recall "The Satanic Witch" book he wrote), some Crowley, some OTO, some Enochian shit. Whatever.

Truth be told, the first draft of 'The Satanic Bible' was rejected by Avon, because it was not substantial enough to meet their standards of publication, thus they suggested that Levey elaborate upon his ideals. Levey, being unable to do so as the ideals in question were plagiarized (meaning that he had not personally explored or understood them) "thickened" his book by simply adding the Enochian Keys to his existing writings, and submitted them again. Avon accepted, and thus the CoS Satanic Bible. This action, however, was even more telling than than Levey's initial plagiarizing, because the Enochian Keys were produced by John Dee and Edward Kelley, who were basically sixteenth century England's version of the “Paranormal Investigators” television show, and no one took them seriously, even then. Note also that the Enochian language, which Dee and Kelly claim was given to them by angles, (see also Joseph Smith) has been studied by generations of actual linguist, who consistently and universally view the Enochian language, and supernatural claims, as unfounded and unimpressive. However, as damning as all of that may be to Howard Levey's reputation (even amongst mundanes), it is not the reason that the Order of Nine Angles rejects the pseudo-Satanism which he offered the magian masses.

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
The saying "not being able to see the forest from the trees" applies here. Or another way to put it is that people pay attention to the minor details of the bits and pieces of Might Is Right, Rand, etc, and they fail to see the bigger picture: that it was tongue in cheek, a way of actually mocking the Judeo-Christian culture of LaVey's era.Originally, LaVey's shit was a tongue in cheek establishment. That it was called the "Church" of "Satan" should be telling, of how unserious, and how fun it was. It was about as serious and religious or sanctimonious as the Church of the SubGenius.

There is another saying; "The Devils' in the details. What Levey produced was closer to an emulation of Christianity, than a mockery of it. In fact, he bragged that his vision of the Devil had kept the Christian Church alive. This failure of his remains to be irrelevant, as I mentioned above. Leveys presentation, and his chosen audience, was not the failure of that "brand" of Satanism. The failure pertains directly to what Satanism philosophically and exeatically is, at least in terms of the Order of Nine Angles. Satanism is not about society, other people, who thinks what, or mocking anyone. Satanism, from a mature and serious position, pertains to addressing ones own internal state, ones own development of and recognition of being and Being (Physis), the development of empathic capasities, and above all, ones limitations and indoctrination being directly assessed and reordered via Pathei Mathos. Anything less is mundane, and lacks those traits which we refer to as "The Sinister". Nexion 913, and all iterations of ONA, surpasses Levey in all regards. No fame is sought, no payment required, no memberships, no church, no one to hold your hand, no granting of titles, no congratulations. ISness fulfills itself, and Void Brims...

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
The problem is that "dead men don't talk and tell." And so when LaVey died, you have two things happen:

1) People like Gilmore et al, re-interpret what LaVey established into something serious.

2) People with a religious mentality begin to take the shit seriously, as if it was a real religion, a real philosophy.

Actually it was more like this:

1) Howard Levey offered the CoS to Boyd Rice, but Rice turned him down, recognizing it to be the passing mundane trend that it was. Rice continued along a path of success in terms of music, art, photography, and poetry (see the film Iconoclast). This left the CoS without a manager, and Howard's wife (Blanch, I think?) without a source of income, and thus Gilmore came along and kept the light bill payed. Everyone but the absolute dumbest of fools left at that point.

2) The mundane pseudo-Satanism of the CoS didn't change whatsoever. Under Gilmore, the CoS fully discarded dignity whatsoever, and embraced the masses in terms of watering down satanic ideology, and utterly removing praxis, in order to create a socially acceptable Satanism available for only $200, complete with pretty red cards to prove ones having been accepted.

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
When Myatt dies in 30 years, you can be sure as hell that his handful of followers will speak on his behalf, reinterpret shit he said, and recreate the ONA in their own image, for their own interests. What's a dead man going to do about it?

Myatt will never die, and neither will I. You cannot even comprehend the lives the man/men have conducted and abandoned, each at work towards their own ends, some conflicting, some collaborating, and some unknown, having been, Being, and yet to be. It is the way of things for us upon emergent strata for which you have no visual apparatus, where aptitude of frequency is required to access the given conduit. Such a nexion is not open to you, though you do serve a purpose.

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
I personally really like the original fun, carnie, tongue in cheek Satanism that LaVey actually put together. I think it's fun, simple, down to earth, and cool.

You mean its safe, socially acceptable, legal, pseudointellectual, and primarily internet bassed?

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
And what's annoyingly amusing is that you have David Myatt and his handful of fanboys who are Reacting to not what LaVey originally established, but what his followers have created.

The concepts expressed within Order of Nine Angles philosophy, and within my own personal expressions, are something quite ancient, which has both troubled and pleased mankind, having been discussed in the Vedas, Upanishads, Myatt's Greek inspired Pathei Mathos, and my own Queastellyeah and Nexional Permutations. As we are not seeking pomp or attention, these are simply reiterations of that quest by which some few of us are drawn to explore the nature of Being. No one can take credit for this quest, its inspired text, its affect on mankind, as the credit is due to the nature of Being, itself. The Sinister, as defined by the Order of Nine Angles, represents the refusal and destruction of that abstraction which prevents man from knowing himself, from understanding ISness, and achieving the state of Void Brim.

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
It's as stupid and silly as if a person today were to hate on Christianity, or Buddhism, or Islam because of what has been written, because of how it is practiced, because of how its adherents interpret such things to be.

And yet, you are here, being silly, due to what I, and Myatt, have written, apparently very upset by our interpretations, whereby these timeless forces, and our place within them, is to realize that you, and your world, your conventional philosophies, are in fact abstractions, which we need not be subject to.

 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
The ONA was fun and cool, when it was just writings, when nobody took it seriously. Now, the fanboys have turned ONA into some serious religion, some serious philosophy, and they have turned Myatt into a serious sour-faced prophet. The same shit that happened to LaVey's "Satanism," has happened to the ONA.

Honor to David Myatt, who dares embrace that isolation, that thankless quest, to know himself, to know Being. I, too, have been, Am, and will Be.

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#108843 - 09/19/16 05:07 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Bartho LeMule]
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 Originally Posted By: Bartho LeMule
If David Myatt has negative FEELINGS about you, he will write shit about you, like he did with Hollow. And like he has done with Darryl. When he has positive FEELINGS about you, he will whimsically say that you are ONA, and he'll rhetorically make up a few "rationalizations" to support his emotive opinions about you. It's predictable that when Darryl triggers in Myatt a negative emotion, that Myatt will once again reject Darryl as a wanna-be ONA pretender. For now, Myatt is FEELING good FEELINGS.


LOL but you're just trolling (probably). We actually don't know who is behind the Sinister Polemics blog. It could be one person or several people, not necessarily Myatt himself. Though it's relatively easy to call people out on their crap, figuring out their motivations on the basis of their posts alone is extremely hard, if not impossible. They could be entirely off their rocker or have some pseudo-aeonic purpose connected to their presence on the internets because we all know that the internet is a serious business and should be taken very very seriously. Perhaps, they have enough of online nexions, internet fanboys and commentators and they are simply trying to discourage people from taking any interest in the O9A, make them shut up and make them fuck off. If you can't fire them, make them quit. That would explain why they are trying so hard to make the O9A appear ridiculous unless the easier and more mundane explanation is true i.e., that they are simply morons.

All speculations aside, one thing is pretty certain; that they don't take the internet fanboys seriously. Their praises are as meaningless as their criticism. Who knows? They might even despise those who take their bullshit at face value. The saddest thing about it is that they don't seem to give a rat's ass about the people who are following or are trying to follow the 7-fold Way. Last time I chatted with Mr Fleming and a few other members of Drakon Covenant, nobody of the so-called Old Guards or their sinister clique contacted them offering guidance or, at least, some advice, which would, with all the probability, be appreciated. They are basically left all by themselves.

Personally, I find both Anton LaVey and David Myatt interesting and very intelligent people, judging by their writings and interviews, of course. Regardless of their personality traits or their personal lives, they can be a source of inspiration and they are. The rivalry between the O9A and Satanism is artificial though I enjoyed the good old O9A polemics. They were simply on the higher level, smarter, they made some valid points.

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The saying "not being able to see the forest from the trees" applies here. Or another way to put it is that people pay attention to the minor details of the bits and pieces of Might Is Right, Rand, etc, and they fail to see the bigger picture: that it was tongue in cheek, a way of actually mocking the Judeo-Christian culture of LaVey's era.


True. But hardly anyone here knew LaVey personally and there are rumors that he changed when he got old. Unfortunately, all we have is Aquino's account of the events written down in his "Church of Satan" "magnum opus" and I wouldn't treat him as a credible source of information, at least not entirely. Not only a grain but a huge dose of salt is necessary.

 Originally Posted By: Darryl
Honor to David Myatt, who dares embrace that isolation, that thankless quest, to know himself, to know Being. I, too, have been, Am, and will Be.


Your entire post is a mere regurgitation of the official O9A propaganda. You don't even bother to give a second thought to that.

Do you really think that your writings equal those of Myatt? Or that you surpass LaVey? This is delusional.


Edited by Czereda (09/19/16 05:43 PM)
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#108844 - 09/19/16 05:49 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Czereda]
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What interviews did Myatt do again? Why do you feel so confident that you know the Oz behind the red curtain? Your posts about this subject matter get more curious as time goes on. You have been assimilated I think. You go on with your bad self, Ms. Meme Monkey. \:D
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#108845 - 09/19/16 06:05 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: SIN3]
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What interviews did Myatt do again?


Like huh? I was talking about both Myatt and Anton LaVey. LaVey gave enough of interviews. My apologies. Perhaps, I should spell it out. Myatt's writings and LaVey's writings and interviews so that nobody has reading comprehension issues.

As for the rest, if you think that something I wrote is inaccurate, then elaborate. Otherwise, it's just empty rhetoric on your part.


Edited by Czereda (09/19/16 06:06 PM)
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#108846 - 09/19/16 08:15 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda

Personally, I find both Anton LaVey and David Myatt interesting and very intelligent people, judging by their writings and interviews, of course. Regardless of their personality traits or their personal lives, they can be a source of inspiration and they are. The rivalry between the O9A and Satanism is artificial though I enjoyed the good old O9A polemics. They were simply on the higher level, smarter, they made some valid points.


I don't think anyone (othen than N913) is denying the intelligence of LaVey, it takes a superior intellect to know how to manipulate those around you and make them believe whatever your mind concocts.

However, I've never been much into kitsch stuff so the repurposing of Satanism by LaVey into a trashy parody of institutionalized religion doesn't really float my boat. On the other hand Myatt at least pretends to take his stuff seriously, but I know that lab rats coming out of a labyrinth don't come out of it turned into the scientists, or do they?


Edited by Sargeist (09/19/16 08:16 PM)
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#108847 - 09/19/16 09:44 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Sargeist]
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It's not just N913. The rivalry between the ONA, the Church of Satan and Temple of Set has been going on for decades mainly for marketing reasons. The point is to brag how superior and unique your philosophy is and denigrate the perceived competition. Only those old polemical essays produced by the O9A were much better, smarter and they raised a few valid points. I mean that they focused more on the sinister, on the essence of traditional Satanism than on mere shit-talk. They had more substance to them. The polemical essays that are now produced by the ONA are shallow, full of empty shit-talk and downright retarded.

Personally, I enjoy reading Myatt's essays although some of them raise an eyebrow if they were even written by him. The problem with the ONA is that it really is a small group of people who produce and perpetuate the ONA mythos. Those people who simply read the manuscripts, call themselves ONA, do this and that as written in the MSS, are in the dark, mostly ignorant of what is real and what is a myth and they are permanently lied to. At least, this is what has been happening for a couple of years. For some reason, the ONA writings have degenerated recently.
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#108848 - 09/19/16 10:38 PM Re: ONA Hurt Your Feelings? [Re: Czereda]
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It should be reminded that:

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Therefore in specific matters – such as the nature and reality of the being described by the exoteric name Satan, and the nature and reality of what we have termed acausal entities [the Dark Gods et al] – we expect individuals to arrive at their own conclusions, based on their own practical experience and learning, since we have no dogma about such matters, no orthodoxy, and certainly make no claims that we possess the truth or have all the answers, and certainly never claiming that we possess some sort of absolute authority: diabolical, supra-personal, revelatory, or whatever. Our authority, such as it is, is that deriving from and manifest in the accumulated individual pathei-mathos – the experience and the learning – of our members.


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For the axiom of the authority of individual judgement means that each O9A person, nexion, group, or cell, are - with one important exception - free to develop their own interpretation of everything O9A, free to develop and change everything O9A, and that there is no authority above the individual, or beyond each group or collective of groups. No leader, no outer (or inner) 'representative', no council, no 'old guard', who can make pronouncements about or declare what is or is not correct. No 'official' or 'genuine' O9A; no 'heresy'; no proscription of individuals or groups. Furthermore, no consensus is necessary or required among those who are or who associate with the O9A {2}, although naturally a particular O9A nexion may have or arrive at a particular internal consensus and thus presence a particular interpretation of matters O9A


Thus, The Seven-Fold-Way is meant to be practical (often individual) in nature, a spiritual 'anados' with 'Pathei Mathos' as a core ingredient to gain tangible experiences and go beyond limitative concepts. This process is compared to an alchemical transformation on a personal level, ultimately leading the practitioner to a certain 'state' that is no longer enslaved by the illusory dualistic opposites.

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What has been separated – into apparent opposites – is the sinister and the numinous." That is, that both the LHP ('the sinister') and the RHP ('the numinous') are themselves causal abstractions – ideations – which hide both our own nature, the nature (the physis) of other living beings, and the nature of Reality itself.


I believe this assumption to be incorrect and out of line with the fundamental philosophy of the O9A:

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The problem with the ONA is that it really is a small group of people who produce and perpetuate the ONA mythos. Those people who simply read the manuscripts, call themselves ONA, do this and that as written in the MSS, are in the dark, mostly ignorant of what is real and what is a myth and they are permanently lied to.


Considering the necessary requirements which are years-long, (until internal adept) I only see 'followers' of the way, which, lets be honest, is a lifetime quest if done properly. The manuscripts left behind are only 'hints', like a map that you can use to direct yourself toward an hypothetical destination. This journey, in turn, is the perfect stimulus for a 'zestful life'. All the answers are there if you dare study and look, such is a part of the 'Labyrinthos Mythologicus'.

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As befits the individualistic, the anarchic {1}, the non-dogmatic, and the experiential, approach of the O9A, an individual is free, and encouraged, to choose which way to follow and/or experiment with; just as they can combine aspects of one way with another if such a combination or combinations work for them. For they all lead to, or can lead to, the same goal, and, as the O9A have stated many times, "what matters is the individual developing, from their own years-long (mostly decades-long) practical experience, a personal weltanschauung: that is, discovering their own individual answers to certain questions concerning themselves, life, existence, the Occult, and the nature of Reality."


Another assumption is to assume that the O9A is solely 'Satanic' in terms of origin. It is my opinion that in truth, Satanism is nothing but a very small fraction of the large and rich ensemble that is the O9A. The true origin of the tradition is a collocation of ancestral practices and aural traditions from all around the world that ultimately, were recorded or recounted. A good example of this is the Rounwytha Way.

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For the O9A belong to a different, much older and non-qabalistic tradition, drawing on Hellenic, Indic, Persian, Arabic - and indigenous European pagan - sources {6}. A tradition especially evident in the anados that is their Seven Fold Way


There are many 'raison d'être' to the O9A like 'Aeonic' goals and such but for now this shall be the corpus of my intervention.


Edited by Fundamentalist (09/19/16 10:41 PM)

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