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#10890 - 08/22/08 11:02 AM About the Ordo de Celas
Nordgard Offline
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I am sorry, but i haven't that time to post more ones.
And i am also sorry about the fact that someones of you haven't the endurance with me and my english!
So i wanna tell you a bit about us,

The Ordo de Celas was stamped in the ground from Raphael Celas, my paragon and leader, my teacher and also fatherlike.
He died as he tried to protect his family, the order.
With him, 3 other members died!
There I became the Rank "Highpriest", i remember, i was the sole one who learned necromancy and the other "sealed" practice from him. (one other practice is "Suviellie "Die Kunst eine Seele zu zerstören" "The Artistry to destroy a Soul".)
2 years after he died, the older members hadn't accept me as their new chief!
I split up the order to ordo de celas and "Order of Black Tales"!
The order of black tales is under the direction of Andolmir, good friend from Ireland.
They are one of our alliances and also good friends.

The Essence of our faith is the fact that our normal association is influenced by christian beliefs and it becames excruciating, (maybe it sounds megalomaniac) our major goal is to destroy the christendom!
the question, why do you think that yer way of satan is better or truer than the other ones, i have to answer that:
okay, there was and also is the way of lavey...
but even in fact of we know the history of germany, there was hitler with his National Socialism, we had a problem: We are against the rules and teachings of hitlers way! and if you've read the "Satanis Bible" there you can see more than a bit of that rules of National Socialism. and also lavey foozled the traditions of Satanism to an way of nature, of believing in a satan as a wood or something else!
i have to destroy everything, so here a quote out of the german version of the "Satanic Bible":
"Gesegnet sind die Starken, denn sie werden die Erde besitzen - Verflucht sind die Schwachen, den sie werden unter das Joch kommen" or "Satanismus bedeutet Freundlichkeit gegenüber denen, die sie verdienen, anstatt Liebe an Undankbare zu verschwenden" these are significant examples for the "defraudation" and adaptation of Satanism. he took that what everyones think and packs it into his Satanic Bible! that, what you can read into this Satanic Bible, so i think, has nothing to do with Satanism.
but it is generally accepted as "true Satanism"! and that is a fact we never will accept!
there is more than that what you can read in the Satanic Bible!
like we german would say "Beim Deibel, du hierje mei!" its old lowgerman and means if i shall interprate it, i would say "Beshree Teew, you dammit, thats not true"^^
so we thinked about, find the old way, first time was prayed and teached from castille peroint in french revolution! his words are our rules! i never said he's the first one who teached the oled way, but he's the first one who teached our way!
he called it "Nosce te ipsum" which means, "Realize yourself" or "be yourself"! of course, this words are often used in time, and can describe all Satanism kinds but there is one different: castille avowed hisself as an radical theistic satanist, which is boundend to traditions! before he died, he left some texts back in his house, it burns down, as napoleon came but also his words are still existent in our brains!
we say: okay be yourself, realize yourself but also vouch for you confidence, for yer brothers and sisters of the order of noctism. we are all a great family and into this family we are much more stronger than something else!
traditions and the fact of the old way, includes sacrifices and blood!
for us, blood is the elixir of life, and as it is the elixir of life it must be sacrificed for the lord of darkness! he is our god, we pray to him! we think that when we sacrifice blood, the elixir of life, we give more and more, step by step, more (how could i explain this ), yeah, here a relation: its like you give more natron into cake batter, he will add up! hope you can understand!
and we also think, if we sacrifice blood and other kindas, the lord of darkness will realize our existence with more power and he will see that there are believers of the old way, which serve to him!

about our practices?
hmm natan celas, one of my brothers, translated our baptism:
(this is just a guideline)
The Place:
If possible, a small body of water or a stream which is surrounded by earth and nature.

The Time:
It should take place in the evenings twilight or at the middle of the night.

The Clothes:
For already baptised members of the order, the dresscode will be black. All black pieces of clothing are acceptable.
The to-be-baptised members will wear a white piece of clothing over their black ones, which will be removed later on as a symbolic act.

The Members:
The members of the ceremony will be made up of already baptised members, at least 1 member of the order and one other noctist.
Also there will be witnisses which the to-be-baptised member will choose himself. The (at least one) noctist who is not a member, must function as a witness.

Material:
-Cymbal
-Flagon
-Sword (or sth. similar like a dagger)
-Parchment (paper)
-The pact of the order
-Black candel
-Faustic pact of the to-be-baptised member.

Notes:
The faustic pact must be existent in duplicate, because it will be the only duplicate of the one given to the devil.
Demons and devils are sly and will try to screw you.
This is only a code and can be modified to suit the to-be-baptised member of the order.


The Act:
The to-be-baptised member knees before the priest (or the who baptises).
The priest is given the sword and knights the to-be-baptised with the words "Ego vos benedictio" on the left shoulder, and "in nomine magni dei nostri satani" on the right.
The Priest helps him/her up.
The priest takes a tool for cutting, and cuts a reversed cross into the to-be-baptised member skin (place of choice).
If it bleeds enough, the pacts will be signed with this blood, if it doesnt suffice another cut will be made.

The newly baptised member greets and gives thanks to the witnesses and other present people.



Translated by Natan Celas (english got rusty)


are there more questions, or concrete questions?


Ave Satani
- Nordgard Celas
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#10891 - 08/22/08 11:25 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Nordgard]
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Last part of ceremony looks pretty much like an good ol' black mass influenced with white-lighted ideas, neverless: I have one question.

In this text is written:
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his words are our rules!

Can't you make your own rules then?

And if I'm getting this straight; you are a theistic satanist, right? What makes you think the "dark lord" is real? Because if so, you have to nearly believe in a "good" almighty god.

Or am I mistaking and do you see him just as a symbol from raw nature?
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#10892 - 08/22/08 12:43 PM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Dimitri]
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Sorry but whos or whats blood is shed?If the mastery of life and its benefits is the goal then what good is the shedding of blood?Symbolism and insanity are two different monsters.Clearly you are a theistic satanist, but even most theists dont use destructive measures to gain favor.What you believe is what you believe.But its shit like that just adds fuel to the flame.The underlying force in nature we all respect commands life ,if anything for its existence.What good is the depletion of life to further anothers?
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#10893 - 08/22/08 01:11 PM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Dimitri]
Nordgard Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri


In this text is written:
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his words are our rules!

Can't you make your own rules then?

We can make out own rules but, if we do that, there will be no traditions!
you will not understand it, right?

and what makes me think the lord of darkness is real? that questions so... infantile!
you can't see the signs? you can't see the way opened to the world?
so here, for you dimitri, you said you can understand the german tongue, so read that.. and tell me that the lord of darkness is not real:
"In einer Zeit in welcher die Kriegskünste weiter verbreitet waren, als die existentielle Frage nach dem Sinn des Seins, da erhob sich ein
Krieger der den Blick in die Finsternis gerichtet hatte, von den Toten auferstanden, und kündigte all jenen die sich seiner Missionierung
in den Weg stellen mögen, einen gnadenlosen Kampf an, der sie abertausende male in die Qualen der Hölle eintauchen lassen würde.
Dieser Krieger nannte sich Sujet, war von reinstem geadeltem Blute, trug das Gewand eines Edelmannes und errettete die holden Jungfrauen
von den Bergen des rachsüchtigen Herrschers der Carparten.
Doch ein Makel entstellte sein Weißes Leinentuche des Schicksales:
Er hatte unzüchtige Teufelsanbetung für sein eigenes Wohle betrieben, und so trat der Sohn des Herren, der Gesalbte, vor ihn und sprach
"Du bist nicht frei von Sünde"
und Sujet schaute auf den himmel, erbost, und sagte "predigt ihr beide, scheinheiligen nicht, 'wer frei von Sünde seie, der werfe den ersten stein?' und doch seihet zumindest
der ihre Sohn nicht ohne Sünde, denn er wurde aus dem fleischlichen eines Weibes geboren, befleckt mit der bluten- und geburtensünde"
doch eine stimme brach aus dem himmel hervor und zürnte mit donnernden Schwadronen, forderte die Wahrheit, das nur noch die Wahrheit mit
der Zunge Sujets gesprochen werde.
doch Sujet sprach, kaum erschrickt, die stimme fest und sicher in seinen worten "ein Torr sonders gleichen sprach mich an, wie der, der mir
hier die stimme vom himmel schickt, und dann eröffnete sich die Finsternis, aufgebrochen die erde, eine Figur aus marmornen geflüssigten stein,
stieg empor, und donnerte mit tödlicher Sprache, das böse aus der Luft in die Wolken und der Torr viel nieder.. meine Generation wird deine Krieger töten
meine Kindeskinder und deren Kindeskinder und deren Kindeskinder Generation wird dich ertöten.
Und als der Weg der Nacht sich über den Himmelszelt zu seinem triavolen Dement formte, dort wird dann auch der letzere Ungläubige sich nicht mehr gegen die Worte der Diener der Nacht verwehren können, denn nun wird die Zeit der dunklen Herrschaft anbrechen und das Zeitalter der Finsternis in dem die Menschen in Eisen kriegten wird vergangen sein, denn dies war nur der Schein der sich langsam bahrte über jenen die die Macht verkannten.
Wir die Wahrheit erkannt werden wird sich der Antichrist mit Lobreden singend aus der Hölle, einer Blutlache emporsteigend den Menschen frohlockend zuerkennen geben.
Wir die, die die Wahrheit verbreiten sehen das Hail der Nacht.
jene die das Hail der Nacht nicht erkennen sollen von jenen der Nacht geläutert werden die sich niemals einem Gott unterwerfen würden der seinen Sohn sterben lassen würde, denn der Sohn des Grauen wird sterben, an den Pfählern von eichen und durch die Hand von toten Menschen die sich uns nicht anschlossen weil sie selbst die Nacht waren, und die Nacht wird dunkel sein ,wenn sie sich über die Lache von Gottesblut senkt.
Wenn sich aus finstren Mähren ein Krux erhoben, ich höre dich singen, du holdes Wesen, ich höre deine Worte. Ein Engel der die Liebe sieht, der schwebet vorbei und segnet die Wesen die er überfliegt, der Dämon der blieb stehen, schaute nieder auf das Wesen dort am Boden, sich an das morastige anschmiegend, kauernd, und der kniete nieder, und dann erhob er dies Wesen, und trug es auf seinen Armen. Er schenkte ihm sein Glück sein Hail und dieser Dämon ist Kurgus und Kurgus der Rote ist ein Rächer aus Zeiten des Blutes.
Sprechen sollen die toten wo die Lebenden nicht hören können, und dieser da, der sprach dort, wo er dachte das er jetzt nicht sein kann, und man sehe diesen, und man sehe die Engel und die Engel beglauben den Tod von Lebendigen!
Und der der sich einer Tradition verschreibt, der wird der Dämon sein, der sich die Liebenden nicht von den Füßen klaubt und diese Tradition wird sich dem Antichristen als ein Hail und als eine Zuwendung offenbaren, denn der Antichrist wird sich nur den wahren Gläubigen zuerkennen geben, denn der Sohn ist wie sein Vater und die Macht tötet sich in einem Wall von Korruption und Permissivität und formt sich durch Wallung zu dem Rauch in einer Wolke von Hass und Liebe. Und als der Weg der Nacht sich über den Himmelszelt zu seinem triavolen Dement formte, dort wird dann auch der letzere Ungläubige sich nicht mehr gegen die Worte der Diener der Nacht verwehren können, denn nun wird die Zeit der dunklen Herrschaft anbrechen und das Zeitalter der Finsternis in dem die Menschen in Eisen kriegten wird vergangen sein, denn dies war nur der Schein der sich langsam bahrte über jenen die die Macht verkannten.
Wir die Wahrheit erkannt werden wird sich der Antichrist mit Lobreden singend aus der Hölle, einer Blutlache emporsteigend den Menschen frohlockend zuerkennen geben.
Wir die, die die Wahrheit verbreiten sehen das Hail der Nacht.
jene die das Hail der Nacht nicht erkennen sollen von jenen der Nacht geläutert werden die sich niemals einem Gott unterwerfen würden der seinen Sohn sterben lassen würde, denn der Sohn des Grauen wird sterben, an den Pfählern von eichen und durch die Hand von toten Menschen die sich uns nicht anschlossen weil sie selbst die Nacht waren, und die Nacht wird dunkel sein ,wenn sie sich über die Lache von Gottesblut senkt.
Wenn sich aus finstren Mähren ein Krux erhoben, ich höre dich singen, du holdes Wesen, ich höre deine Worte. Ein Engel der die Liebe sieht, der schwebet vorbei und segnet die Wesen die er überfliegt, der Dämon der blieb stehen, schaute nieder auf das Wesen dort am Boden, sich an das morastige anschmiegend, kauernd, und der kniete nieder, und dann erhob er dies Wesen, und trug es auf seinen Armen. Er schenkte ihm sein Glück sein Hail und dieser Dämon ist Kurgus und Kurgus der Rote ist ein Rächer aus Zeiten des Blutes.
Sprechen sollen die toten wo die Lebenden nicht hören können, und dieser da, der sprach dort, wo er dachte das er jetzt nicht sein kann, und man sehe diesen, und man sehe die Engel und die Engel beglauben den Tod von Lebendigen!
Und der der sich einer Tradition verschreibt, der wird der Dämon sein, der sich die Liebenden nicht von den Füßen klaubt und diese Tradition wird sich dem Antichristen als ein Hail und als eine Zuwendung offenbaren, denn der Antichrist wird sich nur den wahren Gläubigen zuerkennen geben, denn der Sohn ist wie sein Vater und die Macht tötet sich in einem Wall von Korruption und Permissivität und formt sich durch Wallung zu dem Rauch in einer Wolke von Hass und Liebe."
you cant read the signs you see day for day in your ambit, right?
then, you dont beliefe in the true power of darkness, you dont beliefe in the power of theurgy!
and also
if you, the other members of this forum, think the same as dimitri wrote, there is no longer a place for me in here!
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#10894 - 08/22/08 01:18 PM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Nordgard]
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After reading your german text, I still don't see any proofs for a dark Overlord. It is almost the same crap written in German that most christians use. I am talking here about REAL THINGS. Things I can see with my both eyes. This piece you have given me is just a text who tells a little story about someone who questions god. It is no 100% evidence to me. I only believe what I see.

Not to mention you are being particulary rude by putting words in my mouth like I can't see the signs from day to day without you having evidence about it.

But to continue; the evidences you showed me whom are from a dark lord I see as evidences of man's true nature. Raw, mean, evil to each other. No dark mystical creature.
But please it is not because I don't share your vision or others you must leave. It is always interesting to read different responses from different people. Even so if their philosophy isn't the same.


Edited by Dimitri (08/22/08 01:25 PM)
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#10895 - 08/22/08 02:15 PM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Dimitri]
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Nordgard, first off, thanks for posting this. It gives me, and I assume others, a better idea where you're coming from.

The one part that I don't follow is where you are talking about LaVey. I agree with you on certain points, as in LaVey is not the only possible interpretation of Satanism. However, I'm not sure I would agree with any single interpretation of Satanism being "True Satanism." It has the same connotations as "true Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism". It just doesn't work.

The second part is the points that others have brought up. Blood sacrifices, etc. They are a nice way to spend quality time in jail-at least in the US.

The last thing I'll bring up is this quote:

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what makes me think the lord of darkness is real? that questions so... infantile!


The question is not infantile. Its a valid question. I'm not saying your belief is wrong. But if you seek a fair hearing of your views, the best way is not by insulting others who ask you a question. Lighten up man. ;\)


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#10896 - 08/22/08 03:17 PM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Nordgard]
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 Originally Posted By: Nordgard
And i am also sorry about the fact that someones of you haven't the endurance with me and my english!
So i wanna tell you a bit about us,

I have no problem with your English though I now wonder if the German language uses paragraphs… No, the problem I have with you is simply your thinking that killing a domesticated animal is somehow empowering… Also the fact that you claim to be in possession of arcane knowledge, seem to follow rituals straight out of many b-rated movies, and generally come off as much of a blind faith follower as any Christian…

I am really just stating that your way is very incompatible with my own… So where do you acquire these cats and dogs you sacrifice?

~T~
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#10900 - 08/22/08 07:06 PM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: ta2zz]
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Nordgard do you own a pet??? i take care of one and let me tell you there is no reason to kill a animal whom cannot defend itself against a person. i do not think you have the ideal of Satanism correct, and i also want to ask you if you have ever killed a pet for this "Satanism" you follow. i am not too worried about your english but i do so hate your long long paragraphs, please make em smaller in the future, thanks.
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#10910 - 08/23/08 04:25 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: harrison]
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 Originally Posted By: harrison
Nordgard do you own a pet??? i take care of one and let me tell you there is no reason to kill a animal whom cannot defend itself against a person. i do not think you have the ideal of satanism correct, and i also want to ask you if you have ever killed a pet for this "satanism" you follow.

Don't be so hard to this person. However I also would like to see some structure in his posts. And it is very impolite to say he hasn't the ideal of Satanism correct.

To me his ideal is correct for the kind of Satanism he is into so on that part I see no mistakes. It is just as Taz said; his ideas aren't the same as ours but that doesn't make him less interesting or intelligent. He just has another philosophy then us. I'm pretty sure he can answer on interesting topics about daily life. You shouldn't judge on a persons philosophy but more on his acts. And I'm pretty sure once he is used to the different people here you would talk to him as a normal person.

Btw; owning a pet makes you want to kill animals less? What's that kind of bullshit. I have a cat, fishes, rabbit as a pet but I wouldn't mind killing a pigeon if I'm hungry.
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#10913 - 08/23/08 06:07 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Dimitri]
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oh i see i should explain the fact of sacrifice animals ;\)

i have a pet, my lovely wulf "Miles", found it, and reared it!
my stalwart! where ever i go, he follow me, protect me!

if we, sacrifice some animals, we contend with them.
The strife of survival!
we dont buy them ;\)
here, there are enough forrests, ;\)
even if we win the battle, we can sacrifice it.
its the lex stanicus! the bill which gives us the right to eat
or sacrifice the one we defeated!


"there is no reason to kill a animal whom cannot defend itself against a person." [quote of harrison]

do you ever stand eye on eye with an wild animal, like an gadder or some other kindas, if you hunt them, or just follow them unconscious or conscious, they will attack you, and YOU have to protect yourself!



hope that become comprehensible to you!
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#10914 - 08/23/08 07:08 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Nordgard]
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At first, i come from germany too.

It is truth that in germany is more than 95% of things from the era of the national socialism, hitler, rudolph heß, heinrich himmler, ss, and so on not aloud. in germany it is a crime to discriminate other human races from other countrys and other social groups in germany (too) and you can go 5 yrs. in prison for do this. the crime called "Volksverhetzung" (§ 130 StGB) and the judges are very hard in crimes like this.

the following Text is the Law we called "Volksverhetzung" from the so-called "Strafgesetzbuch":

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Wer in einer Weise, die geeignet ist, den öffentlichen Frieden zu stören,
1. zum Hass gegen Teile der Bevölkerung aufstachelt oder zu Gewalt- oder Willkürmaßnahmen gegen sie auffordert oder
2. die Menschenwürde anderer dadurch angreift, dass er Teile der Bevölkerung beschimpft, böswillig verächtlich macht oder verleumdet,
wird mit Freiheitsstrafe von drei Monaten bis zu fünf Jahren bestraft


I believe the Satanism in the "tradition" of Anton LaVey is very influenced by the american ideologys and by the american waxy of live and is nothing for all countrys and continents the world over.

@ Nordgard
Kennst du das von mir ins deutsche Übersetzte Dokument "Anton LaVey: Legende & Wirlichkeit"? Solltest du dir vieleicht mal durchlesen ;-) Ich kann es dir gerne schicken wenn du dich an meine eMailadresse skywalker2008@web.de wendest ;-)

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#10916 - 08/23/08 07:43 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Matt Massacre]
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@Matt
ich werd mich melden sobald ich die restlichen Psalme der 9ten Sekante der Bibel der Hölle ins deutsche übersetzt habe.

vielleicht könntest du denen, die sich über meine paragraphik beschwert haben erklären, dass es eine kunst für sich ist, einen text so zuverfassen, das man keine paragraphen bräuchte, wenn ein jeder dem gedankenfluss des autors folgen könnte ;\)
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#10917 - 08/23/08 08:03 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Nordgard]
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1) English please, it is not because you guys are from Germany we must speak german all together.
2) American influences within the SB? Perhaps, but it's ideology can be used about everywere.
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#10918 - 08/23/08 08:15 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Dimitri]
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never said dimitri! but he asked in german and its an act of courtesy to answer in the tongoue he used!
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#10919 - 08/23/08 08:40 AM Re: About the Ordo de Celas [Re: Nordgard]
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 Originally Posted By: Nordgard
never said dimitri! but he asked in german and its an act of courtesy to answer in the tongoue he used!

I know it may be polite to this person, but language here is still English and there still are rules here who must be maintained. Even so if someone talks to me in dutch I will still answer him in English.
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