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#109074 - 09/26/16 12:36 PM The Media: Just another scapegoat
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article - Chicago Tribune

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I am stupid. I am scum. I am a globalist and also a corporatist and a socialist and a red-baiting, un-American nitwit.

It is my fault. All of it. I am the "me" in "media."


It's so often the case when people discuss world issues, the "Media" is blamed for swaying opinion or changing a person's perception. My retort to that has always been "but we are the Media". There are numerous ways that information is populated. Just because it's been populated doesn't dictate a reaction, or even a response. This is a personal choice. To place blame with the media, is like kicking books in a library. We live in an information age. A technological age.

People do tend to choose a brand. Typically because it affirms their beliefs and confirms their biases. It's the same deal with the older generation. They have so often become fixed in their ways, they are immovable in their views and then attempt to imprint the next. An attempt doesn't make it stick. What makes it stick is your refusal to explore diverse viewpoints, sources and taking time to contemplate before deciding whether a tidbit of info even requires a response, let alone a reaction from you.
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#109091 - 09/26/16 08:25 PM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: SIN3]
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I don't know much about the media situation in the US so I will comment using an example of my country. The public national TV is in the hands of the government and it presents the point of view of whatever political party is in power. There is a quite rich private media sector but they also have their political sympathies and are far from being objective.

When I recall the last election campaigns in my country; to the parliament and also presidential election, only one party was favored by the media and also their president who was then currently in power. Also the celebrities were doing the poms poms. It was nauseating, this bullshit propaganda. But in spite of it, people were so fed up with the current government that they elected the main opposition party.

That would support your view that it's not that easy to sway public opinion. If politicians make unpopular decisions while in power, then no amount of propaganda will suffice to get them elected again. People think most about the money in their purse.

I think democracy in the US is a bit more mature than in Poland but, let's not kid ourselves, all the journalists are naturally biased because they are well... humans and, like everyone they have their own convictions, prejudices and limitations.

When it comes to exploring diverse viewpoints and contemplating, it all depends on how many fucks one really gives. I find some matters so uninteresting that I can't even be bothered to have an opinion about them.
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#109107 - 09/27/16 01:44 PM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: CZ
I find some matters so uninteresting that I can't even be bothered to have an opinion about them.


Indeed. Just because you've been exposed, doesn't mean that exposure dictations action. Media blame for the poor choices of the individual isn't a very convincing argument.
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#109135 - 09/28/16 03:06 AM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: SIN3]
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Not really a scapegoat. No one can do better beyond their given knowledge. And people can't organize if there's no communication.

Said that, evidence. 4 years ago no one knew how google manipulated search results to give up to 30% swings in pools. The Wikipedia is also taken. Middle eastern civil wars were also prompted by google manipulation. Also there's a reason why twitter gets blocked during conflicts and stuff. Reason why Google also got banned (in Russia and China).

Propaganda is known to be effective, hands down.

Don't forget the effectiveness of the anschluss.

A modern parallel. US citizens have Obama trying to give the internet to the ONU or some international agency. So no discerning voices would be available (even though they are being shout down in social media).


It's difficult to convince someone to get out of the machine. If evidence is available, they might just ignore it. You mostly relly on feels. And even if all were done correctly, they can still get all mad on you and they end up reinforcing their own beliefs.


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#109139 - 09/28/16 11:12 AM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: Coligula]
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Miscategorization. There's no acclaim to stop all communication using this tool. Merely that just because a piece of information is shared, doesn't mean that information propagator is to blame for your lack of ambition to determine the quality of it.

GoOglecide was well known by those that hold a particular knowledge. They don't have to wait around for some counter-culture blog to tell them how they are being manipulated by tech.

You need not get out of the machine. The machine is not to blame for your behavior with it. That's like yelling at a toaster for burning bread.

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#109142 - 09/28/16 11:42 AM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: Coligula
It's difficult to convince someone to get out of the machine. If evidence is available, they might just ignore it. You mostly relly on feels. And even if all were done correctly, they can still get all mad on you and they end up reinforcing their own beliefs.


Which is why I've replaced the phrase 'get out while you can' with 'fuck off.'

 Originally Posted By: Caligula
No one can do better beyond their given knowledge.


Apply said knowledge in so many ways until you discover more.

 Originally Posted By: Caligula
And people can't organize if there's no communication.


Individually they can. Also, communication isn't the only factor. Knowledge is the key. Look at the riots and the recent backlash from the poor and minority groups. A great deal of organization to little effect.
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#109159 - 09/29/16 02:58 AM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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1) If evidence were to be important, the evidence would be limited.
2) If evidence isn't all, then you can only rely on random stuff that can be manipulated by anyone. (What are the chances?)

Reason why the 9/11 conspiracy is and probably always will be an outsider thing.


It isn't about blame, but you can't blame someone for not beign groundless. Maybe someone could overcome that, but it isn't probable... and seeing currents events, this seems to hold true, even with the Internet that will be gone.

Creatura, you mean BLM? These aren't poor people, look at who funded them, and who they support. Maybe some of them are poor, but if they are, they are manipulated. No one in his own mind would support Hillary if they want the poor to flourish.
But maybe they aren't manipulated, some blacks always looted in the US, but, if you think about it, they are also beign used to promote tolerance and diversity.
The thing is, these riots always happen after the media falsifies the news, and some people still believe and/or watch that crap.



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#109279 - 10/03/16 01:48 PM Re: The Media: Just another scapegoat [Re: SIN3]
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Everything and everyone is biased.

If it is not through words it will be through "action".
Not everything can be found. Not everything is, or should be, known.

Yes. "We" are the media in a certain sense. Blame it on our love for uncomplicated drama and our withdrawal from anything slightly more complicated and non-dualistic.

"The media" is a good scapegoat. A rightful and correct argument.
Only, it is one which also implies the own (cultural?) character, i.e. blows up in the own face.
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