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#109634 - 10/21/16 07:03 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Probably started right around here...

 Originally Posted By: Gira
Its pretty obvious you're not a Licsenced Physician or a SRS specialist. Unless you can provide medical credentials to prove otherwise your cripple comment will only be seen as an opinion, not a fact.


So if you don't pass, do you just whip out your credentials, call it an opinion and refer them to your physician?

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#109658 - 10/21/16 02:48 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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The cripple comment he made was about the crotch. It had nothing to do with passing.

I made the above statement for purpose of clarifying he didn't have the qualifications to go beyond opinion about the working order of other people's crotches.

If a trans person is trying to pass them self off as a member of the opposite sex, they need to be aware of who they're trying to pass for. There are tens of thousands transgendered people (and intersex people) at various stages of their life who can not now, or probably never will, visually pass for a member of the opposite sex in the eyes of the public.

Some only get as far as the psychological evaluation to attach a DSM V 302.85 diagnosis for gender dysphoria (which is the same as the ICD-9 code). (They may or may not alter the way they look)

Some just try to say they are the other. This is where it gets into the funny ground {insert cliché memory here}. I've said before, people who just make the claim only have an opinion.

What if you don't pass?

At the beginning of this thread I give this answer for a different question. But it can be used here as well.

"Well, what if I don't pass?"
"Why are you giving these people so much power?"
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#109722 - 10/24/16 12:01 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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 Originally Posted By: Gira
The cripple comment he made was about the crotch. It had nothing to do with passing.


Actually it does. From first-hand experience with having sex with Trans folk, it's a thing. A performance & pleasure thing, the person wants to 'pass' but just can't. It can be a handicap. I think he was just calling it out as a legitimate aspect of social identity. You are often hit in the face with the cold-harsh biological reality. Fancy embossed sheets of paper are moot in that regard.


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I made the above statement for purpose of clarifying he didn't have the qualifications to go beyond opinion about the working order of other people's crotches.


Actually he does. You repeating this doesn't change it.

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If a trans person is trying to pass them self off as a member of the opposite sex, they need to be aware of who they're trying to pass for. There are tens of thousands transgendered people (and intersex people) at various stages of their life who can not now, or probably never will, visually pass for a member of the opposite sex in the eyes of the public.


The bottom line is, they want to pass for the opposite gender but can't. You can't change your skeleton, no matter how the hormones affect the exterior. Visually isn't quite it either. It's not enough for many Trans folk. They don't want their gender to be an issue at all in most cases.


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Some only get as far as the psychological evaluation to attach a DSM V 302.85 diagnosis for gender dysphoria (which is the same as the ICD-9 code). (They may or may not alter the way they look)

Some just try to say they are the other. This is where it gets into the funny ground {insert cliché memory here}. I've said before, people who just make the claim only have an opinion.



This is nothing more than your opinion. By your own logic, neither are you qualified to speak on behalf of others. Your situation is not that of others, and it's often in flux with the reality of transition.

Plenty go the route of the Black Market because it's that important to them. Many have no requirement or obligation to use surgery at all. It's more of a social acceptance than it is a biological one.

Just as you have opinions, they are neither more valid or legit just because you are Trans. Society at large also holds sway.
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#111184 - 01/10/17 07:55 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I could not fathom being so intolerant of the gender that I was born with that it would compel me to go through all the surgical rigors required only to progressively fail-at-passing-less as the other gender. Although it does not freak me out nearly enough to vocalize this sentiment unprompted, the fact remains: I think trans-people are broken and gross.

As for gays - I only have an opinion regarding the gays that insist that I should have an opinion of gays, and it is a negative one.
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#111186 - 01/10/17 08:28 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I find I have to keep centred in this current PC climate. I am happy for gay people to get married. Recently however, I considered voting against it simply because I felt bullied by the political LGBT and wanted to stick it to them. I can't stand the political LGBT community and liken them to BLM. They create problem where there are no problems by turning molehills into mountains. And the political LGBT are happy to confuse our youth which really fucks me off. I would like to see the gay marriage vote completely separated from all of the other bullshit on the LGBT agenda. I don't want to see these arseholes drag gay people down with them.

And talk about show ponies... Why is it every activist group these days resembles a teen girl taking duck-faced selfies. Seriously, why does everybody have to tell the world their business. So your transgender... Than go and be transgender - I don't care.

It reminds me of this vegan I knew years ago that would pinch peoples parsley and loudly say, Oh, you've got parsley. I love parsley. I have to have some parsley. Desperate for a self-esteem much? She is probably uploading pictures of her eating parsley onto Facebook these days... (Actually she was a nice lady - just a fucking tripper.)
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#111203 - 01/11/17 11:54 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: ShadowLover]
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That's provided you continue with the supportive sentiment. Personally, I don't support gay marriage or any marriage that requires a legal contract. People can decide for themselves what sort of relationships they want. It makes more sense to tackle the reasons legal entanglement as required in the first place.

* Property Rights
* Benefit Privilege
* Legal Decisions
* Child Rearing/Custody


Et Al. It's all so very archaic and an overhaul of these concepts is long over due.
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#111217 - 01/11/17 07:40 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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I think I understand what you are saying... You are saying that you don't support the legal institution of marriage regardless of the sexual arrangement?

I guess I haven't thought a lot about the institution in that way... It is something that has been around for centuries and something that most of the people on the planet aren't ready to let go of for whatever reason.

My logic regarding it is simply that it shouldn't be restricted to heterosexual couples. If somebody wants to get married than go for it. I also support polygamous marriages simply because they are quite common in many parts of the world and grouping does seem to be a natural human arrangement at times. ...Not saying I want to be in one. But each to their own.

I baulk at underage marriages, especially where you have 10yr girls marrying 50yr old men.

I don't support children marrying each other but understand that such arrangements are often for economic survival in very poor communities... I don't think it would be helping to take away their solution without putting another in place.

I also have a tolerance for arranged marriages. Again, not that I would enter into one, but in some ways they make sense. We don't always choose the most suitable mates... Perhaps older, wiser family members who aren't drunk on love drugs could make better choices.

At the end of the day, marriage is a complex subject. I guess, all I am saying is that whatever it is, I don't see why any sane adult should be excluded. Let them each decide for themselves whether they want to embrace the institution or not.

I agree that an overhaul is overdue... I'm not sure one size fits all when it comes to marriage or pair-bonding in general.



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#111226 - 01/12/17 04:19 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
It's all so very archaic and an overhaul of these concepts is long over due.

That's correct.

However, I'm of the opinion people can't cope with their freedom.
An overhaul would imply becoming more "lax" in attitude and offering the same rights to different groups and ideas.

Ranging from gay, transgender, "fantasy",.. towards the slightly more disturbing marriage with inanimate objects, infants,..

Just imagine... someone marrying his Dakimakura and leaving all his belongings to it. Good luck suing a pillow in court for not paying rent and shared assets.

So the overhaul should be limited to human interaction.
Old fart marrying a 10-year old bride. Dies two weeks after marriage and she has to pay his mortgages. Have fun kiddo. Welcome to the big world!

Luckily we can still count on the sanity of "moral" of the good 'ol days to see the stupidity of this and make the overturn....
IF it remains within media. Getting customed to this shit generally leads to a blind eye and shit as this eventually passing through.

So yeah, overhauling isn't probably such a bad idea... as long as there's a bloody rigid basis of sanity and "classic" morality present.
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#111451 - 02/12/17 11:38 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Responding to the initial post after reading some answers,

So basically, you are saying that people who had to deal with shit their entire lives since birth, who are angry and hurt and dismissed, can never be non-saints and bash others. You think hurting people for 30-40 years in a row and then giving them the right to marry makes them in some way superior and wise and good?

*Cercei's subtle smile*

They won't become wise and good. Some of them will, some will become vengeful, and so what? What is the consequence for that? That some random angry person will complain about it in a satanic forum.

People don't behave well because they mean to. It's because it's the path of least resistance. For gay people, maybe judging how people look to feel superior for once in their life is that path. Let them have it gracefully.

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#111480 - 02/18/17 10:04 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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You seem inherently bothered by one thing FOR SURE: hypocrisy.
I think that you will see that it was that you tried your best to articulate yourself on this board, and you did quite well.

What I wanted to mention was that you were a bit confused about 'gay and trans' people... I want you to know that overall, these people CLEARLY only want to be liked. They are ALWAYS doing things pushing themselves towards ACCEPTANCE.

What are Gay Pride Parades?
What are Gay Straight Alliances?
What are Gay Protests to earn rights? Actual official protests?

I think you are going to see that gay people are not going anywhere so maybe you should quit not listening to the objective that gay people have and you should realize that they are extremely infatuated with men and that is not BAD.

They have it really bad. Some people would have it to deny them the LOVE that they feel. SAD.

I think you will find it that you were not looking at these people and their cries for acceptance. They are LARGELY misunderstood, so maybe it was that they were a bit FRUSTRATED.

I was just going to tell you that you probably have a misunderstanding with gay people. You probably do not understand that they are FRUSTRATED.

What I was going to say was the point was that you are going to see that what you just wrote was pretty much a vent and you are going to see that you are venting on this critical thinking website and that is just what it is, darling. It's what you make of it.

What you should do now is probably rethink a couple things. Especially this.

It's really not a cool idea to have an issue with ANY gay person--they are friends until the end.
I'm dead serious--these people are really amazing friends that would love to do ANYTHING for their chum.
It was that a gay person was supposed to be HAPPY.

That's all I have to say, so yeah.
One more thing: I'm serious. This is a vent. I don't really know if it was a good idea that you vented about this. I don't really have a clue.
It would be prudent for ou to realize that overall, I just don't think that you disliking gay people has a good point. I' m telling you that you didn't bring up any valid points. I'm telling you that this was not THOUGHTFUL.

Indeed.
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#111519 - 02/27/17 01:25 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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The whole movement has much more to do with being a special snowflake than putting actual points on the map.

Some states can now have gay-marriages. Some are still pissed. Not because they finally got their (well-deserved?) rights but moreover that it is one extra priviledge acquired (and one whining point off).

Frustrated? People are generally thinly skinned anyway. Flamboyant gays even more so.
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#111619 - 03/05/17 10:28 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Dimitri]
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I see that you agree with me very much.
Maybe it was just me but you seem a bit perturbed by something: you are pertubed by gays not having the right to marry in some states or whatever.
~There was no cause
~There was no purpose
~There was nothing just
I think you are going to see that it was that no one cared about gays, you know? I have no idea what to say. We still aren't monsters, you know? You would know. XD/
Anyways, it's about time we realized that something was going right... something was going very right indeed.
What was going right? It was that we were starting to think about our feelings of course. XD
Oh I don't know, just be happy of course... Dimitri!
Okay, so let me tell you something--
What's the importance of Satanism and how they feel about gay marriage?

You would probably know this. You seem like a devoted Satanist. What was it?

Why are you not bound by RESTRICTION? You seem like a free thinker! XD/
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#111622 - 03/05/17 11:22 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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Get off the drugs, you'll make more sense.

If you feel a restriction it might just indicate you're not ready, or are perceived as too incompetent, to continue.

Satanism is as important as gay marriage.
It will depend whom you're asking and if they make a living out of it.

You'd be surprised about the lack of interest and caring there truly is.
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#113264 - 06/20/17 10:54 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Vandelbrot]
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 Originally Posted By: Vandelbrot
Responding to the initial post after reading some answers,

So basically, you are saying that people who had to deal with shit their entire lives since birth, who are angry and hurt and dismissed, can never be non-saints and bash others. You think hurting people for 30-40 years in a row and then giving them the right to marry makes them in some way superior and wise and good?

*Cercei's subtle smile*

They won't become wise and good. Some of them will, some will become vengeful, and so what? What is the consequence for that? That some random angry person will complain about it in a satanic forum.

People don't behave well because they mean to. It's because it's the path of least resistance. For gay people, maybe judging how people look to feel superior for once in their life is that path. Let them have it gracefully.


It means they're guilty of the same behavior they whine about, in which case they aren't in any position to act superior anymore. Would you be just as defensive of a disabled person looking down on gay people? Are are you just argumentative for the sake of it? You probably complain abut people's behavior when it suits you.

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