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#109202 - 09/29/16 09:44 PM Many gay and trans people are scum.
Magicka Dispelga Offline
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And so are a lot of gay and trans supporters. They get away with it more often though. I am trans myself, male to female, and in my experience the LGBT "groups" are as hateful and nasty as the people they are against, and the special treatment they think they deserve has rubbed off on so many people. For example, why is it that any insults about being gay or trans opinions are inherently considered bigoted and something worth taking seriously, but then you can insult people's appearances all day long, and that's more acceptable. What exactly is the difference? A big defense people have on behalf of gays and trannies is that they can't help what their sexuality is, that it doesn't matter etc. Well people can't help how they look either, never had a say in it. They are both just personal attacks, yet you aren't considered a bigot for insulting someone's looks. It's not like you have to actively be harming gay people to be called homophobic. It's considered "closed minded" to have any problem with them. Racism is another. Insulting someone's skin color is a big deal, but feel free to make fun of someone for their penis size.

In my case, I actually have a disabled brother. And several of the trans girls I knew after transitioning started to verbally attack me regarding my brother, people I initially was getting sort of friendly with, simply turned on me. Over time I noticed this about plenty of LGBT people and hetero supporters. It was surprisingly common for them to have some disdain for mentally retarded people, calling them burdens, a waste of resources etc. I don't actually care about people being bigoted in itself, but I hate some of the blatant hypocrisies and inconsistencies. Really, what room do trans people have to be bad mouthing ANYONE for their differences. They know what it's like to be on the outside, and sometimes even to be attacked for it, but will then do the same to other people that can be stigmatized too. Even Richard Dawkins, who is quite highly regarded among atheists, more or less said people with Down syndrome shouldn't exist. I've had conversations with people who try to initially make a moralizing "think of the children!" argument, but these conversations often turn to talk of people being burdens and not enough contribution to society. Even when I've spoken to other LGBT supporters about my experience, they always downplay it. To them, an anti gay religious zealot is every cunt, bastard and scumbag under the sun. But trans and gay people being intolerant get's a more passive response: "Well gay and trans people are human too", "Anyone can be rude". Most gay and trans people that get criticism I've seen are either from the religious or generally anti LGBT crowd, or for being feminists/social justice warrior crazies. Most else of their nastiness is fair game.

And sometimes when I've spoken about this, some people say "There's nothing wrong with being trans though, but a disability is different because it really shouldn't be like that". Being trans and gay are not the norm, and never will be, and that's fine. It hasn't been that long since gay and trans people were thought to be mentally ill themselves. They don't seem to realize that their desperation to convince the anti mob that it's not a mental problem is in a way, more harmful than good because really, so what if being gay or trans was a disorder? Would that invalidate us? No, provided people aren't doing anything to harm others or themselves, what is the issue? I just find it disheartening that people like this can be bigots themselves, and then get defended for it, and are defensive of their behavior when anyone tells them their attitudes are no different from they bigots they always bitch about.

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#109204 - 09/29/16 10:27 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
CanisMachina42 Offline
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Are you trolling? Because this seems like bait.

Anyway...

I consider myself transgender. The kind that transitions to be a lesbian.

And judging by your picture, I would have sworn you were too. Not trans, just a lesbian.

I really don't give a fuck about, or care to read what self hating shit you're spouting, I just wanted to "troll" you back.

LMFAO EDIT*

Having just now actually read it, I feel somewhat stupid, but let's keep it as a testament, to WHY YOU SHOULD READ THINGS FIRST BEFORE YOU REACT.

Guess I exposed something there, didn't I?
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#109205 - 09/30/16 12:49 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I'm not really sure I agree with you implying that its the LGBT communtity who behaves this way only. I think its more human or animalistic nature to pick out the "weak" ones to target.

I'm bisexual, however I have only ever had one girlfriend and she was trouble with a capital "T"; she would verbally attack me, threaten violence if I didn't answer her immediately and go off at me for speaking to anyone else, especially people she didn't know (even my friend who was dying of cancer).
I just rolled over and took it until one day I didn't and snapped back at her and left the relationship; I had violent threats thrown towards me and the works; but of course nothing ever came about it.

However, just because of an experience with one individual is negative, doesn't mean that all of the individuals within that community are that way; I know some lovely LGBT people in my real life.

I think what you've experienced, Magicka, although unfortunate; is not a representation of the LGBT community, but of human nature.
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#109206 - 09/30/16 04:09 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
Gira Offline
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I'll bite.

How much power are you giving these people?

Sounds you are the one fishing for excuses. You care more about having those friends than the brother you already have, that you're allowing their words to hurt you to the point of make mass accusations against the entire lgbt community.

I'm transgender, and I have seen others act in similar ways as you mentioned. Maybe their minds are clouded by absolutes and as they transition, they shun everything opposite of their goals. That fear of what they were might still haunt them. Might still haunt you.

The support group I stopped going to definitely wasn't a good example for the community.

Now, should you? Or should you not? :be judged based upon my experiences with what I call the half assed trannies.
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#109207 - 09/30/16 10:49 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Also have a disabled brother (he has Down's Syndrome), it was largely through growing up with a disabled brother that taught me to (at least try to) tolerate people who are different than me. Maybe you had similar experiences.

To be honest, i hated my little brother when i was a child.. i did not want to be associated with a mentally disabled brother. Out of pride, i did not want them to think i was in some way mentally deficient myself for being related to him by blood.

Over time my hate turned to pity, and pity turned to deep love. When i realized he would never have the same chances in life i have, and will never live a truly "free" life outside of care, it felt so unfair, and i hurt for him.

People talk all the time about tolerance, but i feel like it's almost impossible to learn tolerance without either being mistreated for being different, or having seen someone close mistreated for being different.

I was always a big supporter of the LGBTQ community, because i couldn't stomach anyone being denied the freedom to live and love as they feel happy and comfortable.

As you said, there's so much hypocrisy these days.. also int he LGBTQ community. Tolerance turned into one of those disgusting buzz words that's cheaply thrown around and twisted beyond recognition.

Everyone's so progressive and tolerant these days. And they hate each other.

I don't think people have the innate ability to be truly tolerant, despite how they praise themselves for it. i don't think you can understand tolerance and love for those who are different until you've either been on the receiving end of being treated badly for being different, or have had someone close to you treated badly for being different.


Edited by Naul (09/30/16 10:54 AM)
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#109212 - 09/30/16 12:15 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Naul]
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 Originally Posted By: Naul
Everyone's so progressive and tolerant these days. And they hate each other.

I don't think people have the innate ability to be truly tolerant, despite how they praise themselves for it.


For once I agree. People are just looking for any excuse to expel their pent up rage.

Most do not care for others the way they make themselves believe.

A little story:

I was walking on a college campus. I saw a college douche coming down a steep hill on a skateboard. He took the worst fall I've ever seen.

I ran across the street when everyone else was waiting for the walk signal.

I broke through the tape between the trees, and the guy standing next to me asked if we were allowed to do that.

People walked by pretending not to see, whipping out their cell phones.

Three spoiled brat women came prancing down the side walk laughing it up, their arms around each other's shoulders, until they saw the guy bleeding out his head and arm on the cement.

They turned their backs and pulled out their phones, not laughing any more.

No one except me aided this fellow. He was bleeding quite a bit, yet he was able to walk himself to the nearest building for assistance.

Out of 50-60 people who must have passed by, not one of them even bothered to ask if he was OK.

It was a wake up call for me in many ways.

That was many moons ago.

So much for your god. I bet half, if not all of them were church going suckers. I suppose they thought god would just deal with it, send him an angel.

Better to avoid nasty things you say...

Then fuck off, like the rest.
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#109214 - 09/30/16 12:31 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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So it's intolerance being fought back with more intolerance?

People don't have to tolerate everything, even when there's some social movement telling them to.

Even here on 600 LINK. The Mods don't have to tolerate you just because you signed up. Nor do they have to count you part of the 'community' (whatever that means to people).

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I just find it disheartening that people like this can be bigots themselves, and then get defended for it, and are defensive of their behavior when anyone tells them their attitudes are no different from they bigots they always bitch about.


What's wrong with being called a bigot anyway? Maybe you're bitching here because you want users to relate. If we don't, then what? More bitching?

There are plenty of users here that couldn't care less about your gender confusion or weak genes. This is your break-out topic? Can't say I'm impressed. Menstrual Whining is what this amounts to.
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#109215 - 09/30/16 12:45 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
Magicka Dispelga Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
I'm not really sure I agree with you implying that its the LGBT communtity who behaves this way only. I think its more human or animalistic nature to pick out the "weak" ones to target.

I'm bisexual, however I have only ever had one girlfriend and she was trouble with a capital "T"; she would verbally attack me, threaten violence if I didn't answer her immediately and go off at me for speaking to anyone else, especially people she didn't know (even my friend who was dying of cancer).
I just rolled over and took it until one day I didn't and snapped back at her and left the relationship; I had violent threats thrown towards me and the works; but of course nothing ever came about it.

However, just because of an experience with one individual is negative, doesn't mean that all of the individuals within that community are that way; I know some lovely LGBT people in my real life.

I think what you've experienced, Magicka, although unfortunate; is not a representation of the LGBT community, but of human nature.


I never said gay and trans people point blank. I said that intolerance and bullying is common within those "communities" as much as elsewhere, except I feel they get away with it more, and the criticism they get tends to be more passive in general. This was covered in my comments.

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#109216 - 09/30/16 12:53 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
Magicka Dispelga Offline
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
So it's intolerance being fought back with more intolerance?

People don't have to tolerate everything, even when there's some social movement telling them to.

Even here on 600 LINK. The Mods don't have to tolerate you just because you signed up. Nor do they have to count you part of the 'community' (whatever that means to people).

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I just find it disheartening that people like this can be bigots themselves, and then get defended for it, and are defensive of their behavior when anyone tells them their attitudes are no different from they bigots they always bitch about.


What's wrong with being called a bigot anyway? Maybe you're bitching here because you want users to relate. If we don't, then what? More bitching?

There are plenty of users here that couldn't care less about your gender confusion or weak genes. This is your break-out topic? Can't say I'm impressed. Menstrual Whining is what this amounts to.


It specifically said in my comment that I don't care about people being intolerant in itself, it's the reactions that suggest that one "group" or situation is more deserving of consideration or understanding than another. What good reason is there honestly, for a trans person or LGBT supporters to be defensive of bullying toward gay and trans people, but then do the same to others over things they can't help? What is the difference? You're making my point less focused when you say something as generalized as "People don't have to tolerate everything, even when there's some social movement telling them to.". All this was actually covered in my comment and I was detailed about what I was talking about.

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#109217 - 09/30/16 12:55 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
Magicka Dispelga Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Gira
I'll bite.

How much power are you giving these people?

Sounds you are the one fishing for excuses. You care more about having those friends than the brother you already have, that you're allowing their words to hurt you to the point of make mass accusations against the entire lgbt community.

I'm transgender, and I have seen others act in similar ways as you mentioned. Maybe their minds are clouded by absolutes and as they transition, they shun everything opposite of their goals. That fear of what they were might still haunt them. Might still haunt you.

The support group I stopped going to definitely wasn't a good example for the community.

Now, should you? Or should you not? :be judged based upon my experiences with what I call the half assed trannies.



I stopped being friends with them after that. I also didn't make mass accusations. Bullying is common among LGBT people. It would be accusatory only if I blamed people not guilty.

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#109218 - 09/30/16 12:56 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I read it. Human beings are hypocrites and a contradiction of terms - that should be pretty obvious to you.

I'm more interested in why you believe this platform is ideal for this whining?

What do you want, a pat on the back? Ok cupcake, you are right. You made an astute observation, here's a cookie.
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#109219 - 09/30/16 01:17 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
Magicka Dispelga Offline
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
I read it. Human beings are hypocrites and a contradiction of terms - that should be pretty obvious to you.

I'm more interested in why you believe this platform is ideal for this whining?

What do you want, a pat on the back? Ok cupcake, you are right. You made an astute observation, here's a cookie.


It's obvious, but that doesn't answer why there is a big difference in attitudes regarding different kinds of bullying or insults. Hypocrisy isn't a big deal, and neither is ignorance, because a lot of people aren't even all that aware of it, and when you talk to them about it, they change their minds and appreciate what they were doing. On the other hand, when you confront or challenge what someone says, and showing how blatantly illogical or contradictory they're being, and they just get defensive and irrational, then they don't really have an excuse anymore. They know better but choose not to listen. It's like people who eat chickens and cows but then have a big problem with cats and dogs being eaten. They've kind of lost their platform to condemn others in that case. There's no objective reason for it. Also, nothing in my comment should imply that I expect people to "care" about my gender or "weak genes" (which I don't have thank you), my mentioning of being transgender was in line with the topic at hand. It's another matter when people just randomly announce being a gay or a tranny when it's not relevant.


Edited by Magicka Dispelga (09/30/16 01:18 PM)

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#109220 - 09/30/16 01:43 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Now that I'm not menstrual and pissed off, I'll give you a real response:

The LGBT community is the same shit disguised as a safe haven. There's some awesome people, but for the most part they are carbon copy drones of liberal persuasion.

Example: The night of the debate there was a watch party at a gay bar near me. I couldn't even go in. Everything Hillary said drew cheers and everything Trump said drew ire. It's a party line. It's being a special snowflake.

It's "Hey, look at us, but don't you dare demean or well bitch and play a victim card."

I'm all for rubbing it in to make people uncomfortable, but that's more a response to the "it's a learned behavior" bullshit. However if your going take a militant stance, don't be a little whinny bitch when you get backlash for it.
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#109222 - 09/30/16 04:02 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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The fact that you consider it bullying at all, amuses.

If Hypocrisy isn't such a big deal, then why this post?


I'd say this post is both illogical and irrational. Where do you think you are on an episode of Dr. Phil?

You mentioning that you're Trans with disabled sibling had what relevance to the topic you were seeking to discuss?

Why are either of these relevant to the behavior of strangers based solely on your anecdotal evidence again?

You seem a bit lost and don't know who your kindred are.
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#109225 - 09/30/16 06:25 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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It's relevant because that's what the topic is about. Why are gay and trans people owed more consideration for their sexuality than other things, like appearance or disabilities? Racism is also taken more seriously. Also, I never went into any detail about my personal experiences other than a basic description. So you wouldn't know what I mean by bullying. And I never said hypocrisy doesn't matter. I said there's a difference between being ignorant/hypocritical and willfully ignorant/hypocritical out of being contrary or unreasonable.
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#109228 - 09/30/16 08:18 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Why are gay and trans people owed more consideration for their sexuality than other things, like appearance or disabilities?


That depends on the country. Where I live, you can get even more flak for being gay or trans than for being disabled or fat. Although there are plenty of gay activists who went public about their sexuality and some of them even did a political career, most gay people are not so open. It's worse with trans people as it's more difficult to hide. At best, people will give you queer looks.

I wonder why these people's behavior bothers you so much. Do you treat them as your support group?
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#109229 - 09/30/16 09:10 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Marginalized people always like to find someone else lower on the totem pole to punch down on. It helps them feel more like they fit in with the crowd. That's why black people tend to be more homophobic, some strippers talk all kinds of shit about hookers, druggies give each other shit about (his drug of choice that is not mine).

Stop trying to find a rational, principled explanation for people's behavior and instead see it as them mindlessly trying to fulfill some deep-seated need, and you'll understand why people do what they do a lot better. Stop trying to make human behavior make sense. It doesn't.

Interesting that you say, of groups that are trash-talked "they aren't hurting anyone." Aren't they? Are you setting the bar so high that only going around committing violence makes you reproachable or unworthy? I thought it was a matter of degree.

Here's something to chew on. I have this ex. He used to threaten to kill himself if I dumped him. His home was a pig sty. He constantly mooched his half of rent and bills off of me. He accused me of cheating, frequently. (I never did.) I'd say that guy was a grade A asshole, even though (as he was quick to remind me every time I raised a grievance):

He never beat me
He never cheated on me

You don't have to actively be malicious or violent in order to harm someone else. Sometimes, just being inconsiderate or negligent is enough to be harmful. Heck, I'd say it's the most common kind of harm.

You know the overwhelming majority of CPS cases aren't for physical or sexual abuse? They're for neglect. They're for parents who simply can't be bothered to feed, clothe, bathe, and shelter their kids properly. Parents too busy getting fucked up to take their kids to school, or to the doctor.

It's a very Christian viewpoint to define morality in terms of negatives: "Thou shalt not..." I'd say what you do matters more than what you don't.

So to bring this back around to people with severe mental limitations, at a certain point they're just a burden. And being a burden is harmful. There's no instant in time, like a person who commits violence, where you can point and say, "look at the horrible thing they did!" But the fact is they take more than they give, and that causes harm.
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#109234 - 10/01/16 06:00 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I don't get that totem pole thing. If blacks are more important than gays, aren't gingers more important than lesbians? I don't get the order. Maybe the muslims are on top... I mean europeans don't want to tell anything about the massive rape epidemic caused by mass immigration (mostly from non-warzones)... But they are still bombing the crap out of the middle east.

This is what is happening now: If you see yourself as "special", and you say you are "special", you start gaining bullshitting points. It's not about the character/merit/the content, it's all about the bullshiting points.

This bullshit can take either way, but the more the bullshit (it seems) the more "entitled" you are to steal from or abuse mid class citizens (ward working/independant/non-corporate/etc.).


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#109235 - 10/01/16 07:24 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii

People walked by pretending not to see, whipping out their cell phones.
[...]
They turned their backs and pulled out their phones, not laughing any more.

No one except me aided this fellow. He was bleeding quite a bit, yet he was able to walk himself to the nearest building for assistance.

Out of 50-60 people who must have passed by, not one of them even bothered to ask if he was OK.

It was a wake up call for me in many ways.

So much for your god. I bet half, if not all of them were church going suckers.


Yes, churches are full of hypocrites as well. Many who call themselves christian, in actuality live satanic lives.

Just as there are satanists who show the selfless love and compassion for others that christians were asked to do.

In the end, to wear the badge of any denomination or group is a meaningless illusion.. what you do out of Love for others, is the only thing that counts.

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii

I suppose they thought god would just deal with it, send him an angel.


Sounds to me like an angel was walking by at the right time and place to help him. ;\)


Edited by Naul (10/01/16 07:29 AM)
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#109238 - 10/01/16 03:18 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Naul]
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 Originally Posted By: Naul
what you do out of Love for others, is the only thing that counts.


Another bit of common trash wisdom. People tend to repeat without question every ounce of altruistic bullshit they've been programmed to live their lives by.

What you do for yourself is what counts.

 Originally Posted By: Naul
Sounds to me like an angel was walking by


Ironic enough, The Devil was an angel, but no longer.
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#109240 - 10/01/16 07:40 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
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Why are gay and trans people owed more consideration for their sexuality than other things, like appearance or disabilities?


That depends on the country. Where I live, you can get even more flak for being gay or trans than for being disabled or fat. Although there are plenty of gay activists who went public about their sexuality and some of them even did a political career, most gay people are not so open. It's worse with trans people as it's more difficult to hide. At best, people will give you queer looks.

I wonder why these people's behavior bothers you so much. Do you treat them as your support group?


That's just it. Being against gay or trans people is largely seen as irrational, because a lot of it is based from religious indoctrination or at the very least stems from it's ideals. Being against certain disabilities on the other hand, is seen as rational aka Richard Dawkins saying people with Down syndrome shouldn't exist, and many agree. You know, a disability can be almost anything, so you might want to be a bit clearer about what you're talking about regarding who does or doesn't get flak. Most people aren't going to view say, having a missing hand in the same light as having Down syndrome, as the two have nothing in common other than the umbrella term of "disabled". And why are you asking me why it bothers me? If I came here complaining about anti gay or anti trans people and how much they bother me, would you ask me why that bothers me too? Or would you be agreeable in that case? I've said why it bothers me. It bothers me that some people's welfare should be seen as more worth while than others. And that words like "open minded" and "tolerant" have long been used in relation to LGBT people when in reality, it doesn't make you open minded at all. Like I asked, why should it be more acceptable to insult someone's appearance than their sexuality? Homosexuality is covered by "hate speech" in places where it exists. Other personal attacks and verbal abuse are not. The idea of hate speech is stupid.


Edited by Magicka Dispelga (10/01/16 07:52 PM)

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#109241 - 10/01/16 08:01 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: XiaoGui17]
Magicka Dispelga Offline
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
Marginalized people always like to find someone else lower on the totem pole to punch down on. It helps them feel more like they fit in with the crowd. That's why black people tend to be more homophobic, some strippers talk all kinds of shit about hookers, druggies give each other shit about (his drug of choice that is not mine).

Stop trying to find a rational, principled explanation for people's behavior and instead see it as them mindlessly trying to fulfill some deep-seated need, and you'll understand why people do what they do a lot better. Stop trying to make human behavior make sense. It doesn't.

Interesting that you say, of groups that are trash-talked "they aren't hurting anyone." Aren't they? Are you setting the bar so high that only going around committing violence makes you reproachable or unworthy? I thought it was a matter of degree.

Here's something to chew on. I have this ex. He used to threaten to kill himself if I dumped him. His home was a pig sty. He constantly mooched his half of rent and bills off of me. He accused me of cheating, frequently. (I never did.) I'd say that guy was a grade A asshole, even though (as he was quick to remind me every time I raised a grievance):

He never beat me
He never cheated on me

You don't have to actively be malicious or violent in order to harm someone else. Sometimes, just being inconsiderate or negligent is enough to be harmful. Heck, I'd say it's the most common kind of harm.

You know the overwhelming majority of CPS cases aren't for physical or sexual abuse? They're for neglect. They're for parents who simply can't be bothered to feed, clothe, bathe, and shelter their kids properly. Parents too busy getting fucked up to take their kids to school, or to the doctor.

It's a very Christian viewpoint to define morality in terms of negatives: "Thou shalt not..." I'd say what you do matters more than what you don't.

So to bring this back around to people with severe mental limitations, at a certain point they're just a burden. And being a burden is harmful. There's no instant in time, like a person who commits violence, where you can point and say, "look at the horrible thing they did!" But the fact is they take more than they give, and that causes harm.


And how exactly does it cause harm? Animals, particularly when kept as pets, tend to take more than they can give too. I don't have pets for what I can get out of them. What about all the normal people in the world who take more than they give? Most of my normal health relatives have been a bigger burden to me and my mother than my brother ever has been. Ranging from drug abuse, alcoholism, aggression and passive aggression, narcissism, moodiness. Does that mean I can call them burdens? Can't pretty much anyone who doesn't do genuinely productive work like building, inventing, saving lives etc be seen as taking more than giving? That's pretty much what people do anyway from a worldly view, people have proven to be bad for the earth. Most people aren't doing anything so worth while that they'd be missed, because the coattail riders heavily outweigh the pioneers.


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#109242 - 10/01/16 08:47 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
The fact that you consider it bullying at all, amuses.

If Hypocrisy isn't such a big deal, then why this post?


I'd say this post is both illogical and irrational. Where do you think you are on an episode of Dr. Phil?

You mentioning that you're Trans with disabled sibling had what relevance to the topic you were seeking to discuss?

Why are either of these relevant to the behavior of strangers based solely on your anecdotal evidence again?

You seem a bit lost and don't know who your kindred are.


Just out of curiosity, if I had come here complaining about religious zealots being anti gay and anti trans, would you have responded to me the same way? Because it just comes across as though you're one of the very people I mentioned, people who get defensive instead actually listening to what I said. It's not whining, because I'm actually making a point about how "tolerant" people who pride themselves as open minded and chastise others for not being that way, are in fact, not all that tolerant. If I came here complaining about being on the receiving end of bigoted behavior for being transgender, would you still have called my experiences "anecdotal" like you did in this context? Is it hard for you to believe that disabled people can be mistreated or resented for their circumstances, and by gay or trans people no less? You're asking me why I made this post even though it was laid out on the table in the first place, but I could also ask why you bothered responding to me when you are just going to disrespect what I typed. I think you're just being a troll at this point. I'm not interested in further dealing with someone whose main contribution to my topic is nothing more than dismissive, cunty and condescending responses, because you're clearly not interested in what the topic was about, and I shouldn't have bothered taking your bait for the several times that I did in the first place. Have a lovely day.


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#109243 - 10/02/16 03:11 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I still haven't figured out what it is you're trying to prove?

In case you're ever wondering what usually perpetuates the unnecessary stigmata against transgendered people. Its irrational arguments started in desperation to validate their behavior.
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#109244 - 10/02/16 06:25 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Gender identity is a result of how the brain is wired rather than a disability, sometimes the wiring won't match the physical form of the body i.e. the wiring is female in a male body.

Discrimination is a natural human failing, the tribal nature of human identity triggering in the brain aggression and fear to what is different.

Science offers easy testing against genetic disability such as Downs Syndrome. There is no benefit to anyone by allowing a genetically deformed fetus life once it is identified. A fetus is not human, it is no more than a clump of meat. Genetically deformed living things is naturally eliminated by nature, so there is no natural arguments for allowing life to deformed things that cannot survive on their own feet. With scientific tests available, there is no ethical or natural argument why such people should be born anymore.

Something only becomes an issue when the individual chooses to make it an issue. Fighting against an act of discrimination is different from making a thing an issue. For instance, I support the gay individual fighting to keep their job against a bigoted Christian fundamentalist boss; but those who are forcing their outlook (gay rights for instance) upon me is going to get a hostile response from me.
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#109248 - 10/02/16 07:25 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Just out of curiosity, if I had come here complaining about religious zealots being anti gay and anti trans, would you have responded to me the same way?


Yes. Check the archives. Learn both the territory and map which to navigate it.


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Because it just comes across as though you're one of the very people I mentioned, people who get defensive instead actually listening to what I said.


I read it, I understood it, I defend my position. You say that people that display x behavior are by your qualifiers scum. Scum because they have just as much intolerance as you have.

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the LGBT "groups" are as hateful and nasty as the people they are against, and the special treatment they think they deserve has rubbed off on so many people.


Such as yourself? Complete with the special treatment you believe you are entitled to.

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It's not whining, because I'm actually making a point about how "tolerant" people who pride themselves as open minded and chastise others for not being that way, are in fact, not all that tolerant.


Suck it up cupcake. People don't have to tolerate gays or trans on a personal level. Even when there are laws in place that tell them: "DON'T". You are not special. You are not entitled to special considerations or treatment by others.

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If I came here complaining about being on the receiving end of bigoted behavior for being transgender, would you still have called my experiences "anecdotal" like you did in this context?


YES. Especially if it was similar in anecdote. What is wrong with being a Bigot? You seem to have avoided the question.

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Is it hard for you to believe that disabled people can be mistreated or resented for their circumstances, and by gay or trans people no less?


No it's not. I don't care what identity pin or sexual persuasion you are. People of all backgrounds can be intolerant of having to both encounter and carry dead weight. A person being gay or trans doesn't mean they are tolerant of other gays/trans or your disabled sibling.

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You're asking me why I made this post even though it was laid out on the table in the first place, but I could also ask why you bothered responding to me when you are just going to disrespect what I typed.


Perfect example. You are not entitled to my respect. You have to earn it just like anyone else would. There is nothing you've typed here that merits respect. I don't think you know what respect is anyway or else you wouldn't have used the term in this instance.

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I think you're just being a troll at this point. I'm not interested in further dealing with someone whose main contribution to my topic is nothing more than dismissive, cunty and condescending responses, because you're clearly not interested in what the topic was about, and I shouldn't have bothered taking your bait for the several times that I did in the first place. Have a lovely day.


I'm sure you believe a lot of things. I doubt you put forth much effort to think or know what this topic is about.

Carry on.
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#109253 - 10/02/16 09:03 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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Only a degenerate would see a child with a disability as something nice. I remember a case in which some of these progressives wanted to cut the spinal cord of their son (because of some disability they had). Maybe they wanted to cut themselves, I can't remember clearly.


Lately these cases are really common, they pop out now and then. They also put hormones on children, they abort them because they are white, and an endless "non-hate" stuff.


But this is about the LGTB that uses the hate speech laws to crap on everyone they dislike. Even if you are gay or something, and you say something they don't like, these people anyway want crap on you (Milo comes to my mind).

As I said before, this isn't about the queer stuff, the corporate-"progresivists" took over these groups.



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#109254 - 10/02/16 09:48 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Coligula]
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This is said of every person or group that apprehends laws or a set of social ethics to police the thoughts and ideas of others.

It's pretty rampant in this "community" as well. The bottom line for me is that pointing is out is just recognizing it. Bitching and assigning the category of 'scum' stinks the same.
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#109260 - 10/02/16 02:43 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
I read it. Human beings are hypocrites and a contradiction of terms - that should be pretty obvious to you. I'm more interested in why you believe this platform is ideal for this whining? What do you want, a pat on the back? Ok cupcake, you are right. You made an astute observation, here's a cookie.

Very thoughtful of you, but apparently he/she/it spurned your culinary generosity. May I suggest h/s/i trying one of these instead?

I've recounted elsewhere here how the 1966-75 Church of Satan, because of its "indulgence" of individuality, became a magnet for all sorts of eccentrics, including the sexual. Most oddballs blended comfortably in, but the sex ones brought with them a need for "special attention per martyrdom" that got quite annoying after awhile.

 Originally Posted By: Diane LaVey to M.A.A. 12/5/71
These fruits are ready to kill each other one minute, and the next minute they’re jumping into bed with each other. We’ve really had it with Satanic fairy godmothers - a new specification in the requirements for the Priesthood: Applicant must be straight!

This, of course, isn’t going to be made public, but it will be an unwritten regulation. All our liberalism with regard to homosexuality has gotten us is a lot of headaches. 95% of all homophiles are about as mature as teenyboppers. And do they ever love to dish the dirt.

Anton & Diane weren't being "-phobic"; they were just weary of the bullshit. So individuals were welcome in the Church [as well as in today's Temple of Set] as long as their sexuality remains their personal/private business. That's worked out very well.

My personal opinion: Enjoy your fetish as long as it involves only consenting [human] adults and doesn't scare the cats.
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#109261 - 10/02/16 02:45 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
The bottom line for me is that pointing is out is just recognizing it. Bitching and assigning the category of 'scum' stinks the same.


Couldn't be more hypocritical than that. Look who's bitching now.

Un fucking believable.

Ok mr. ms. Magica, I have one question in relation to whoever or whatever you're griping over:

What are you going to do about it? What do you do about it, and what works for you and what doesn't?

Now we can possibly shift this piece of shit thread into something a little more revealing. Maybe.

There, an attempt at constructive bitching on my part.

Carry on \:\)



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#109266 - 10/02/16 09:07 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I agree with you hate speech laws are bullshit. However, these laws are often only theoretical and exist only on paper. They won't protect you from being rejected or humiliated unless you're willing to sue every asshole who insults you or looks at you in a funny way.

My reaction would be the same if you were bitching about anti-gay Christian bigots. Why do you think the gay community should be more tolerant than the Christian community? Why should they be less hypocritical? What you're complaining about is simply human nature that exists regardless of sexuality or a religious label. Disabled people can be nasty too. I had once a handicapped friend who vented his frustration on everyone around and this is why we are no longer friends.
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#109268 - 10/03/16 03:46 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii


Now we can possibly shift this piece of shit thread into something a little more revealing. Maybe.

There, an attempt at constructive bitching on my part.

Carry on \:\)



Good idea. Ms Magica are you legal?

This is not a question about age or citizenship. It's about the process one must go through to get their gender marker legally changed on their civil and/or federal identification cards.
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#109274 - 10/03/16 09:38 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Speaking of righting wrongs.

What's wrong with being a bigot, in your opinion? This question is relevant to the 'constructiveness' of a criticism.

To avoid a semantics game, let's just roll with THIS definition.

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stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.


Society is pretty stubborn:

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the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot.


and have been deemed deplorable for the affects on others. These nameless, faceless, countless others we should give a shit about.

What say you? Do you find bigotry abhorrent and if so why? If not, why not?
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#109276 - 10/03/16 11:21 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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Depends on the bigotry. There exist people and groups I don't like, and I'd rather not have them in my presence. No one is going to like everyone else in the world. I happen to agree with your position more or less, in that having a heart for everyone seems highly irrational. If I show compassion to someone only to find out they would do me harm, I've been a fool. Call it paranoia, I call it common sense. If you desire my respect, you have to earn it.

I find a lot of hardcore bigots to be dull, mindless and lacking enchantment, afraid of change and life in general. These are the types who'd never dare leave the home town they grew up in, be it a city or a trailer park.

A great deal of bigotry is all talk. I had a friend who said he hated niggers, always telling me this. One day we went to the general store to pick up some goods, and a black guy walked in. I went to get something to drink and fifteen minutes later I found my friend bullshitting with this black fellow. Just laughing it up.

So much for hating niggers.

People say and believe what they are taught by their community. To go against it means loosing friends and family, becoming a reject. Most people cannot handle this, and will continue repeating whatever keeps them secure within the circle jerk of group acceptance.

Bigotry is but one symptom of a greater problem.

On the other hand, many people grow up where all they know is violent conflict, and one need not travel all the way across the world to see it. Go to your closest inner city.

The more people you have in one place, the more people are going to form groups and commit violence. You will grow up hating people who threaten your life on a regular basis from day one. Keeping closely knit to your group is a means of survival and prosperity in an environment of constant violence and hardship. Here bigotry is retaliation against the consistently adversarial. Fighting fire with fire.

At the moment I find feminist bigotry more entertaining than threatening, however, these morons will believe anything told to them in classrooms with absolutely no individual attempt at understanding counter evidence, no attempt at individual scrutiny. No questioning what so ever. How people allow themselves to be led with no resistance is disturbing to me, though I believe I understand it. Yet, understanding does little to remedy my own disgust.
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#109278 - 10/03/16 01:46 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Does bigotry require hatred and/or violence?

know your meme.

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The phrase “I can count to potato” was first used in the 2005 comedy film The Ringer in which con man Steve Barker (played by Johnny Knoxville) pretends to be mentally disabled in order to compete in the Special Olympics


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“I Can Count to Potato” is a controversial catchphrase that is meant to indicate a lack of intelligence and usually paired with photographs of people who appear to have been diagnosed with learning disabilities. The phrase is sometimes used in image boards and forums in reacting to comments that are deemed unintelligent. Due to the insensitive nature of the meme, it has been criticized for perpetuating ableism[7], a type of discrimination against people with disabilities.


Not to mention the stigma associated with people with intellectual disabilities. Some people have a genuine dislike for such people because there is a social exception, a drain on resources and that dislike may not be discriminatory.
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#109280 - 10/03/16 04:31 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga
What about all the normal people in the world who take more than they give? Most of my normal health relatives have been a bigger burden to me and my mother than my brother ever has been. Ranging from drug abuse, alcoholism, aggression and passive aggression, narcissism, moodiness. Does that mean I can call them burdens? Can't pretty much anyone who doesn't do genuinely productive work like building, inventing, saving lives etc be seen as taking more than giving? That's pretty much what people do anyway from a worldly view, people have proven to be bad for the earth. Most people aren't doing anything so worth while that they'd be missed, because the coattail riders heavily outweigh the pioneers.

If I didn't have the context of it being rhetorical questions meant to throw me off, I'd look at this in isolation and think, "by Jove, you've got it."
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#109281 - 10/03/16 04:42 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Just out of curiosity, if I had come here complaining about religious zealots being anti gay and anti trans, would you have responded to me the same way?

Yes. Stop responding to the imaginary Satanist stereotype you expect to encounter and talk to the people who are actually here.

 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga
Because it just comes across as though you're one of the very people I mentioned, people who get defensive instead actually listening to what I said.

Saying you ramble on and on and don't seem to have a point isn't defensive, is an astute observation. Instead of the stream of consciousness/ wall of text, try to think in terms of "thesis" and "paragraphs."

So, some people are hypocrites. So what? That's just an observation. Can you get any salient points out of that observation? If so, what?
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#109287 - 10/04/16 07:47 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga
 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
I'm not really sure I agree with you implying that its the LGBT communtity who behaves this way only. I think its more human or animalistic nature to pick out the "weak" ones to target.

I'm bisexual, however I have only ever had one girlfriend and she was trouble with a capital "T"; she would verbally attack me, threaten violence if I didn't answer her immediately and go off at me for speaking to anyone else, especially people she didn't know (even my friend who was dying of cancer).
I just rolled over and took it until one day I didn't and snapped back at her and left the relationship; I had violent threats thrown towards me and the works; but of course nothing ever came about it.

However, just because of an experience with one individual is negative, doesn't mean that all of the individuals within that community are that way; I know some lovely LGBT people in my real life.

I think what you've experienced, Magicka, although unfortunate; is not a representation of the LGBT community, but of human nature.


I never said gay and trans people point blank. I said that intolerance and bullying is common within those "communities" as much as elsewhere, except I feel they get away with it more, and the criticism they get tends to be more passive in general. This was covered in my comments.



Hello again Ms/Mr Magicka.

Let's start with another story:



Bullying and intolerance are EVERYWHERE. I lived in Australia for two years at the start of high school in a town in bum fuck nowhere. I have a strong, smoky kiwi accent. Kiwis are to the Australians what Canadians are to the Americans; but the kiwis are probably more stigmatised. I'm also part Maori which didn't help.
I was shoved around, beaten up, pushed into lockers, tripped over, had my lunch thrown onto the roof of the classroom; everything.
At first I cried and sooked and carried on (I was 12/13 alright? Hahaha). Then I got a tougher skin; got hit, so I hit her back, hard, and never got picked on again.

It doesn't matter who you are; someone is always going to pick on and bully you; it's simple.

Now, I don't remember who suggested it, but I remember the response that pretty much stated that there is not "good" (so to speak) in having a disabled "special snowflake" child.
There is now the ability to have "designer babies" and I plan to do this; as I have schizophrenia, I have a history of autism in my family, and my boyfriend is severely dyslexic to the point that he is virtually illiterate; and I don't want my future children to have to go through the struggles of any of those issues.
I'm not sure about dyslexia genes; but I plan to avoid schizophrenia and autism in my future child if I can; fucking with nature? Probably, but I don't want my child to suffer.

I don't think that LGBT people get away with more bullying either.
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#109298 - 10/04/16 11:04 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
a drain on resources and that dislike may not be discriminatory.


I'd say a discriminatory choice is being made, by singling out who is disabled from who isn't. The focus becomes how this particular discrimination is, or might be considered harmful.

Mocking the disabled pushes the boundary of social acceptance, so one might be called a bigot. Feminists would call your picture harmful, even though no one has been injured, and hateful because it threatens someone's safe space.

*So I'll ask you Ms. Jones, does injury require physical violence?



Edited by Creatura Noptii (10/04/16 11:05 AM)
Edit Reason: *= sarcasm, yet the question stands none the less...
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#109302 - 10/04/16 12:18 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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From an economical stand-point, one may decide that allowing a defective fetus come to term is an illogical choice. People often bite off more than they can chew, then that child becomes a drain on resources. The burden is then shelved onto society at large to fund assistance programs, charities, etc. So it's not that the decision of the one doesn't affect the many.

As I said, it may not be a discriminatory practice but more so addressing the larger issues.

The disabled have been stigmatized with reason. Injury has become a subjective spectrum we need not accept.
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#109306 - 10/04/16 03:50 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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Allowing a healthy fetus to come to term may be highly illogical from an economic standpoint. Many people have children they cannot raise without assistance.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/discrimination
I was speaking in context of the third definition.

The first uses the fair vs. unfair analogy, which is nearly pointless in my opinion. Even if you want to treat people fairly, the third context of discrimination is used to figure out who is and who isn't being treated with the standards of the primary.

Who and what constitutes as disabled will be categorized, singled out, targeted, and dealt with.

Of course the burden is placed on society. It's for the greater good, don't you know?
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#109311 - 10/04/16 05:41 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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It doesn't matter who you are; someone is always going to pick on and bully you; it's simple.


All too often, this "bullying" is only in the eye of the beholder. Once I was eating out with my friends. One of them was disabled. Suddenly, he said: "Why is this child staring at me?"

He often said people looked at him in a funny way so he automatically assumed the child was staring at him because he looked like a freak. But, actually, he didn't know why the child was looking at him.

Children sometimes keep gaping at me for some reason. They have a piercing gaze so it might be uncomfortable. One child after gazing at me for quite a long time, eventually smiled and waved her hand at me. Also adults sometimes look at you for no obvious reason. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with you.

I think the same case might be with "fat-shaming." Take for example this article:

A Woman Fat-Shamed Me On The Subway — And I Fought Back

Was the author of this article really fat-shamed by a stranger? Or did she fat-shame herself? I think it was the latter one. She got mad at an innocent remark. Apparently, the woman on the subway was only envious of her delicious chocolate snacks.

A prime example of self-loathing, which one can easily project onto other people.
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#109313 - 10/04/16 07:23 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Czereda]
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I think there is a difference between bullying and staring at people...

But regarding the latter... I believe not being allowed to stare at people or be curious about their differences from yourself is half of the problem these days.

I remember seeing short doco films where white people would fly into areas where secluded tribes lived, and the natives were filmed touching and prodding the white people because they were so strange and different. Nobody takes offence to this.

I believe part of the problem with society these days is that we are expected to swallow the lie that we are all the same when our brain clearly tells us that we are not. I think it would be better if we just became familiar with each others differences so we are comfortable with them and then that gives us opportunity to maybe appreciate them and certainly not fear them.

I once dated a much older man who's skin had lost its integrity (it was soft). I squished his skin for two weeks because it was strange feeling. He would ask me what I was doing and I said, "Getting to know you..." After a couple of weeks I was used to it and I grew to love it.

If I dated a negro I would probably boop his springy afro hair for a couple of weeks because it would be strange and interesting to me.

If I dated a skinny man I would probably feel his bones...

I think, accepting that we are different and that that is okay would also help the ones getting stared at. Their thought process might change from "They are staring at me because I am a freak!" to "They are staring at me because I am different from them and they are curious about me..."

Of course, we do need to consider someone's personal space (which btw, is a boundary I have crossed a lot in my life LOL, but the outcome was usually positive - just look at my signature/tag).

Curiosity is considered bigotry these day. But bigotry usually stems from a lack of understanding. The trouble is, how can we get to know and understand each other and our differences if we are expected to believe that we are all the same. ...We simply are not!



Edited by ShadowLover (10/04/16 07:26 PM)
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#109314 - 10/04/16 09:22 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
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It doesn't matter who you are; someone is always going to pick on and bully you; it's simple.


All too often, this "bullying" is only in the eye of the beholder.


YES! That is exactly what I was trying to say; It's like when people say that they've "taken offence to something" so fucking what? YOU took offence. Not me; I say.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Once I was eating out with my friends. One of them was disabled. Suddenly, he said: "Why is this child staring at me?"

He often said people looked at him in a funny way so he automatically assumed the child was staring at him because he looked like a freak. But, actually, he didn't know why the child was looking at him.

Children sometimes keep gaping at me for some reason. They have a piercing gaze so it might be uncomfortable. One child after gazing at me for quite a long time, eventually smiled and waved her hand at me. Also adults sometimes look at you for no obvious reason. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with you.

Sometimes people don't mean to stare either; they just get lost in their own little worlds. If it's a child; for all you know they could be wondering where their lost teddy bear at home is (if they're old enough not to be bawling their eyes our about it) and if it's an adult it could be anything; like, for example, writing a shopping list in their head.
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#109315 - 10/05/16 01:49 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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People will always judge. No escaping possible.
Wanting to be a special snowflake unopposed? Tough luck kids, this ain't how the world works.

The modern illness is here. Being "unique" without consequence.
Internet and social media have their hand in this. On the internet and facebook you can be whoever you want without opposition. Your self-chosen "circle" will always be there to comfort "the wrongness" of outsiders/mundanes/plebs/not-like-us,...

Reality paints the picture on how you truly are perceived if having to act on your own.

Generational pussification. Before this kind of shit, people learned to put up with it. Now it is a reason for outcry.

It is the disability to recognize and know not everyone is going to accept your style or being. We're at a point that society became so moralistic that it is unknowingly strapping itself in amorality and making a fuzz about it.

Dare I say that this age might be called "the crybaby generation"?


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#109320 - 10/05/16 10:36 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Even the OP is singling out who is being treated unfairly. The lamentations leave nothing much here but a whine.

I'm guessing a few fags called his bro a parasitic retard. Are they wrong?

As for discerning the differences to determine what % of the population require special assistance, resources and treatment - yes, this context applies.

It all boils down to an Ethic. Otherwise, all these defective babies would be given the flush at hospital.
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#109321 - 10/05/16 11:18 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: ShadowLover
But bigotry usually stems from a lack of understanding. The trouble is, how can we get to know and understand each other and our differences if we are expected to believe that we are all the same. ...We simply are not!


Close, but not quite. See SIN's comment above. Its a refusal to acknowledge and act upon information. Rejected understanding.

These SJW morons will not hear logic. I've also noticed they lack a great deal of insight, foresight, and other developmental capacities. They never seem to develop much at all in any of their hobbies or passions, say they have any at all. Things get too difficult, they quit. SJW is their entire livelihood.

The crybaby attitude comes down to money, and jealously of those who know how to grow up, get their shit together and move on.

 Originally Posted By: SIN
It all boils down to an Ethic. Otherwise, all these defective babies would be given the flush at hospital.


Your right, but I say its still a business ethic. It must be economically lucrative. No patients, no doctors.
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#109344 - 10/06/16 10:32 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Czereda]
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Children sometimes keep gaping at me for some reason. They have a piercing gaze so it might be uncomfortable. One child after gazing at me for quite a long time, eventually smiled and waved her hand at me. Also adults sometimes look at you for no obvious reason. It doesn't mean there is something wrong with you.


My husband looks like a younger Version of Santa Claus and many children look with great eyes at him, espacially in Dezember \:\)

When I was a Child The first time I registered staring, was not because of me but of my elder Brother. He has neurodermatitis (Hope this is the korrekt Term in English) and the skin was most part open. the other child looked, but after some minutes it want to play with him.. It was the mother who said to the child not to play with my brother because of how he looks..

For him it was horror, because he learned that he was not good enough and the other child learned that people looking otherwise have to be exclude out of the own world.

The one will lay all looks and words on the Gold Balance for to find the one who is against him, and the other will try to do all that people with the false "look" are not within his environment.

Both ways are not correct and discriminate many nice people, but both ways are also a natural behavior, because of embossing in the Childhood.

No one is right, no one is wrong, It is allways the point of view from where we are looking at the situation. As long as no one get's hurt we have to accept the different views because we can not change the upbringing of the one or the other.

And Yes we can ask an intelligent person to think about what he is doing or saying, and discuss with them why it is not Okay like he acts, but we can not force them to change, because Experience of Childhood is most time buried deeply in their unaware. Without the will to change their will be no change ;\) And the Idiots... will remain idiots equal what you try to argue..

And yes people also starred at me, That I registered first at school when I was 10 or 11 or so.. The first time I liked a boy... The first time I really register any people outside my self.. My reaction: I stared back, because first I have learned that looking at some one is a must and second It was fascinating to study what happend ;\)
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#109430 - 10/10/16 08:42 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Just out of curiosity, if I had come here complaining about religious zealots being anti gay and anti trans, would you have responded to me the same way?


Yes. Check the archives. Learn both the territory and map which to navigate it.


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Because it just comes across as though you're one of the very people I mentioned, people who get defensive instead actually listening to what I said.


I read it, I understood it, I defend my position. You say that people that display x behavior are by your qualifiers scum. Scum because they have just as much intolerance as you have.

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the LGBT "groups" are as hateful and nasty as the people they are against, and the special treatment they think they deserve has rubbed off on so many people.


Such as yourself? Complete with the special treatment you believe you are entitled to.

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It's not whining, because I'm actually making a point about how "tolerant" people who pride themselves as open minded and chastise others for not being that way, are in fact, not all that tolerant.


Suck it up cupcake. People don't have to tolerate gays or trans on a personal level. Even when there are laws in place that tell them: "DON'T". You are not special. You are not entitled to special considerations or treatment by others.

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If I came here complaining about being on the receiving end of bigoted behavior for being transgender, would you still have called my experiences "anecdotal" like you did in this context?


YES. Especially if it was similar in anecdote. What is wrong with being a Bigot? You seem to have avoided the question.

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Is it hard for you to believe that disabled people can be mistreated or resented for their circumstances, and by gay or trans people no less?


No it's not. I don't care what identity pin or sexual persuasion you are. People of all backgrounds can be intolerant of having to both encounter and carry dead weight. A person being gay or trans doesn't mean they are tolerant of other gays/trans or your disabled sibling.

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You're asking me why I made this post even though it was laid out on the table in the first place, but I could also ask why you bothered responding to me when you are just going to disrespect what I typed.


Perfect example. You are not entitled to my respect. You have to earn it just like anyone else would. There is nothing you've typed here that merits respect. I don't think you know what respect is anyway or else you wouldn't have used the term in this instance.

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I think you're just being a troll at this point. I'm not interested in further dealing with someone whose main contribution to my topic is nothing more than dismissive, cunty and condescending responses, because you're clearly not interested in what the topic was about, and I shouldn't have bothered taking your bait for the several times that I did in the first place. Have a lovely day.


I'm sure you believe a lot of things. I doubt you put forth much effort to think or know what this topic is about.

Carry on.


Everything you're saying is garbage projection. I never said I need your respect. On the other hand you don't have to disrespect either. And my whole sentiment was regarding no consistency. AKA gay people complaining about anti gay intolerance and that people can't help being gay, while then attacking others for things they can't help. It's contradictory, and I will point it out to them. I wasn't addressing people who have egalitarian views, I meant people who complain about the same thing they are guilty of themselves. If all you have to add to that is "people are hypocritical" well gee, thanks for the contribution.

I also never once said I'm entitled to special treatment, or that it's wrong to be a bigot. But a bigot who criticizes another bigot is irrational. I see no reason why it should be okay for tranny's to insult my brother, but then it's awful and "bigoted" to insult a chick with a dick.

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#109431 - 10/10/16 08:45 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
I agree with you hate speech laws are bullshit. However, these laws are often only theoretical and exist only on paper. They won't protect you from being rejected or humiliated unless you're willing to sue every asshole who insults you or looks at you in a funny way.

My reaction would be the same if you were bitching about anti-gay Christian bigots. Why do you think the gay community should be more tolerant than the Christian community? Why should they be less hypocritical? What you're complaining about is simply human nature that exists regardless of sexuality or a religious label. Disabled people can be nasty too. I had once a handicapped friend who vented his frustration on everyone around and this is why we are no longer friends.


Is hypocrisy rational? No. It doesn't matter who it is or what it's about. And I never said gay people should be more tolerant. I said they lose their platform to complain about "intolerance" when they do it themselves.

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#109432 - 10/10/16 08:51 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Zeno]
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 Originally Posted By: Zeno
Gender identity is a result of how the brain is wired rather than a disability, sometimes the wiring won't match the physical form of the body i.e. the wiring is female in a male body.

Discrimination is a natural human failing, the tribal nature of human identity triggering in the brain aggression and fear to what is different.

Science offers easy testing against genetic disability such as Downs Syndrome. There is no benefit to anyone by allowing a genetically deformed fetus life once it is identified. A fetus is not human, it is no more than a clump of meat. Genetically deformed living things is naturally eliminated by nature, so there is no natural arguments for allowing life to deformed things that cannot survive on their own feet. With scientific tests available, there is no ethical or natural argument why such people should be born anymore.

Something only becomes an issue when the individual chooses to make it an issue. Fighting against an act of discrimination is different from making a thing an issue. For instance, I support the gay individual fighting to keep their job against a bigoted Christian fundamentalist boss; but those who are forcing their outlook (gay rights for instance) upon me is going to get a hostile response from me.


There's no point in talking about natural selection unless you believe in living by those rules. Such as if you get ill, you may as well die off, rather than get medical treatment that is available. As for giving birth, people can do what they want, I'm not against abortion. But many people naturally dislike abortion and don't want to do it, even with knowledge of a disabled child. Some might not want to reject them. And for what it's worth, being disabled doesn't equate to being in pain or miserable, so you would need to decide whether or not you are against them being born because you think it's "moral" to them, or because you simply see them as a burden and nothing more.

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#109433 - 10/10/16 08:55 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga
 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
I'm not really sure I agree with you implying that its the LGBT communtity who behaves this way only. I think its more human or animalistic nature to pick out the "weak" ones to target.

I'm bisexual, however I have only ever had one girlfriend and she was trouble with a capital "T"; she would verbally attack me, threaten violence if I didn't answer her immediately and go off at me for speaking to anyone else, especially people she didn't know (even my friend who was dying of cancer).
I just rolled over and took it until one day I didn't and snapped back at her and left the relationship; I had violent threats thrown towards me and the works; but of course nothing ever came about it.

However, just because of an experience with one individual is negative, doesn't mean that all of the individuals within that community are that way; I know some lovely LGBT people in my real life.

I think what you've experienced, Magicka, although unfortunate; is not a representation of the LGBT community, but of human nature.


I never said gay and trans people point blank. I said that intolerance and bullying is common within those "communities" as much as elsewhere, except I feel they get away with it more, and the criticism they get tends to be more passive in general. This was covered in my comments.



Hello again Ms/Mr Magicka.

Let's start with another story:



Bullying and intolerance are EVERYWHERE. I lived in Australia for two years at the start of high school in a town in bum fuck nowhere. I have a strong, smoky kiwi accent. Kiwis are to the Australians what Canadians are to the Americans; but the kiwis are probably more stigmatised. I'm also part Maori which didn't help.
I was shoved around, beaten up, pushed into lockers, tripped over, had my lunch thrown onto the roof of the classroom; everything.
At first I cried and sooked and carried on (I was 12/13 alright? Hahaha). Then I got a tougher skin; got hit, so I hit her back, hard, and never got picked on again.

It doesn't matter who you are; someone is always going to pick on and bully you; it's simple.

Now, I don't remember who suggested it, but I remember the response that pretty much stated that there is not "good" (so to speak) in having a disabled "special snowflake" child.
There is now the ability to have "designer babies" and I plan to do this; as I have schizophrenia, I have a history of autism in my family, and my boyfriend is severely dyslexic to the point that he is virtually illiterate; and I don't want my future children to have to go through the struggles of any of those issues.
I'm not sure about dyslexia genes; but I plan to avoid schizophrenia and autism in my future child if I can; fucking with nature? Probably, but I don't want my child to suffer.

I don't think that LGBT people get away with more bullying either.


Why are you referring to disabled as "special snowflake"? And yes, gay and trans people do get away with bullying, in my experience. Why is it automatically considered "bigotry" to insult anything gay or trans related, even though you don;t have to actively discriminate against LGBT people to insult or belittle them? ,meanwhile, feel free to insult people's appearances all day long. There's no objective reason to feel different. The LGBT communities have been major subjects of political correctness and "special snowflake" mentalities, as have race subjects.

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#109435 - 10/10/16 09:15 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
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People will always judge. No escaping possible.
Wanting to be a special snowflake unopposed? Tough luck kids, this ain't how the world works.

The modern illness is here. Being "unique" without consequence.
Internet and social media have their hand in this. On the internet and facebook you can be whoever you want without opposition. Your self-chosen "circle" will always be there to comfort "the wrongness" of outsiders/mundanes/plebs/not-like-us,...

Reality paints the picture on how you truly are perceived if having to act on your own.

Generational pussification. Before this kind of shit, people learned to put up with it. Now it is a reason for outcry.

It is the disability to recognize and know not everyone is going to accept your style or being. We're at a point that society became so moralistic that it is unknowingly strapping itself in amorality and making a fuzz about it.

Dare I say that this age might be called "the crybaby generation"?


If you're applying this to me, try again. Because I never said anything about special treatment. I was talking about consistency and egalitarian views.

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#109447 - 10/11/16 01:51 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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If you have taken it personally, you're probably recognizing yourself unconsciously.

When it concerns the LGBTQ-community all are in it for wanting "equal" treatment. Only the "equal" treatment must sometimes be much more equal than those of others.
Never expect consistency when human nature is involved. Especially when it concerns "communities" and badges that can be worn/granted.

If anything, the whole community is just a bunch of glittering snowflakes with an identity-crisis. I don't mind gays or lesbians.. up until the point they start with "I belong to the LGBTQ-community".
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#109448 - 10/11/16 07:18 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Why are you referring to disabled as "special snowflake"? And yes, gay and trans people do get away with bullying, in my experience. Why is it automatically considered "bigotry" to insult anything gay or trans related, even though you don;t have to actively discriminate against LGBT people to insult or belittle them? ,meanwhile, feel free to insult people's appearances all day long. There's no objective reason to feel different. The LGBT communities have been major subjects of political correctness and "special snowflake" mentalities, as have race subjects.


Everyone gets away with bullying if you're sneaky enough ;\)
I'll flip one of your questions back onto you: Why is it considered bigotry to say anything against disabled people, when I have nothing against those with a disability.

I can call people what I like. "Special snowflake" is a widely used term, have you not heard of it?

And at the end of the day:

Take this quote, and think about it long and hard dear.

We all judge people on their appearances; say you're walking down the aisle of the supermarket and you see a man; he's 7'2", he's got a red shirt on, khaki shorts and Nikes. What's the first thing you notice about him?
The fact that he's fucking 7'2"! It's out of the ordinary. We are curious creatures who are inherently fascinated by those who are different.


As someone who I suppose is technically LGBT, I couldn't give more of a rat's arse what people call themselves. I don't care if you're trans, gay, autistic and have down syndrome. I don't care. But if you infer that a group of people are mainly scum (check the title of this thread) you're gonna be in for a bad time at least with me.
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#109458 - 10/11/16 11:17 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Everything you're saying is garbage projection. I never said I need your respect. On the other hand you don't have to disrespect either.


Do tell. Something can't be disrespected if that merit wasn't granted in the first place. I think you mean courtesy or consideration, and neither are granted right off the bat either.


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And my whole sentiment was regarding no consistency. AKA gay people complaining about anti gay intolerance and that people can't help being gay, while then attacking others for things they can't help.


That was understood and I'm pointing out the obvious that you are oblivious to. People are not required to be consistent or meet your standards. In fact, you're complaining about shit you have no control over. Complaining does what again?

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It's contradictory, and I will point it out to them.


So what? Do you want a gold star? Why the fuck should we care what you do on some gay forum?

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I wasn't addressing people who have egalitarian views, I meant people who complain about the same thing they are guilty of themselves.


Don't you see the Elephant? He's screaming to be noticed.


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If all you have to add to that is "people are hypocritical" well gee, thanks for the contribution.
Well gosh golly, you sure stuck it to me.

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I also never once said I'm entitled to special treatment, or that it's wrong to be a bigot. But a bigot who criticizes another bigot is irrational. I see no reason why it should be okay for tranny's to insult my brother, but then it's awful and "bigoted" to insult a chick with a dick.



Didn't you though? Having pointed something out, you want to be acknowledged for it and so you brought your bullshit here. What's irrational, is this entire post.
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#109459 - 10/11/16 11:46 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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I think it's funny how you're avoiding my question. Are you legal? (Or are you just a little boy in drag?)

Equal treatment is NOT a handout to those who cry for it. My experience with the transgendered community tells me; the louder a person crys, the less work they've done to earn anything.

I'm legally female on the civilian side and with Veterans Affairs. I've almost finished my D.O.D. stuff. What I'm trying to tell you is that I don't need to cry. I've earned my equal treatment.

And no I dot automatically assume it's bigotry whenever people poke fun at me. Being a target for ridicule is part of the package. You're going to have to get used to that.

But I will assume it's bigotry on your part when you cannot separate generalizations from personal prejudices.
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#109464 - 10/11/16 05:50 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Gira, since he/she's avoiding the question; I'd say it would be the latter...
Magicka, The 600 Club isn't a forum for kiddies. Hop back onto Tumblr where everyone can be a special snowflake!
Who knows? If you stay on, you may EARN the respect of others in this forum. But you haven't made a very good start...

Respect is earned, not given and so far you have given no reason for you to be respected.

Guess what? Sometimes life isn't fair. Go to Bunnings, buy some timber, build a bridge and get the FUCK over it kiddo!
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#109477 - 10/12/16 11:55 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Everything you're saying is garbage projection. I never said I need your respect. On the other hand you don't have to disrespect either.


Do tell. Something can't be disrespected if that merit wasn't granted in the first place. I think you mean courtesy or consideration, and neither are granted right off the bat either.


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And my whole sentiment was regarding no consistency. AKA gay people complaining about anti gay intolerance and that people can't help being gay, while then attacking others for things they can't help.


That was understood and I'm pointing out the obvious that you are oblivious to. People are not required to be consistent or meet your standards. In fact, you're complaining about shit you have no control over. Complaining does what again?

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It's contradictory, and I will point it out to them.


So what? Do you want a gold star? Why the fuck should we care what you do on some gay forum?

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I wasn't addressing people who have egalitarian views, I meant people who complain about the same thing they are guilty of themselves.


Don't you see the Elephant? He's screaming to be noticed.


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If all you have to add to that is "people are hypocritical" well gee, thanks for the contribution.
Well gosh golly, you sure stuck it to me.

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I also never once said I'm entitled to special treatment, or that it's wrong to be a bigot. But a bigot who criticizes another bigot is irrational. I see no reason why it should be okay for tranny's to insult my brother, but then it's awful and "bigoted" to insult a chick with a dick.



Didn't you though? Having pointed something out, you want to be acknowledged for it and so you brought your bullshit here. What's irrational, is this entire post.



So do you just think there's nothing wrong with inconsistency and hypocrisy? What the fuck are you trying to prove here? If it's the fact that I'm bitching, so what? I'm bitching, but I'm bitching about something specific that, not surprisingly, is something that bothers most people. What are you bitching about? All you're doing is whining yourself here.

"People are not required to be consistent or meet your standards." Actually, if you want people to take what you say seriously, and are asserting some kind of moral superiority over others, then consistency and a lack of hypocrisy is pretty important. To use examples, if you eat pigs and cows but condemn the Chinese for eating cat and dog meat, you have lost your platform to criticize. If you say murder is wrong, but then condone murdering murderers, you are a hypocrite and can no longer claim to be against murder when you actively support it.

"In fact, you're complaining about shit you have no control over." You mean like how you are right here? You have no control over me or what I want to say. So why are you bothering shithead?

"Having pointed something out, you want to be acknowledged for it and so you brought your bullshit here." And that equates to me wanting special treatment? Bringing something up means wanting special treatment? I guess we shouldn't talk about anything then, let's not talk about a subject or bitch about anything in case some contrary, picky cunt has an issue with it. In case you haven't noticed, "complaining" about things does indeed make a difference, maybe it won't for you or many other people. And for many other people, it will, because some people actually are willing to take things on board, and sometimes talking about things like this causes people to think about things they initially didn't, like people who don't realize they're being hypocritical, rather than people who are willfully hypocritical and willfully ignorant who decide in advance that they aren't going to listen. Goodbye.



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#109478 - 10/12/16 11:56 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Satanic Princess]
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 Originally Posted By: Satanic Princess
 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga

Why are you referring to disabled as "special snowflake"? And yes, gay and trans people do get away with bullying, in my experience. Why is it automatically considered "bigotry" to insult anything gay or trans related, even though you don;t have to actively discriminate against LGBT people to insult or belittle them? ,meanwhile, feel free to insult people's appearances all day long. There's no objective reason to feel different. The LGBT communities have been major subjects of political correctness and "special snowflake" mentalities, as have race subjects.


Everyone gets away with bullying if you're sneaky enough ;\)
I'll flip one of your questions back onto you: Why is it considered bigotry to say anything against disabled people, when I have nothing against those with a disability.

I can call people what I like. "Special snowflake" is a widely used term, have you not heard of it?

And at the end of the day:

Take this quote, and think about it long and hard dear.

We all judge people on their appearances; say you're walking down the aisle of the supermarket and you see a man; he's 7'2", he's got a red shirt on, khaki shorts and Nikes. What's the first thing you notice about him?
The fact that he's fucking 7'2"! It's out of the ordinary. We are curious creatures who are inherently fascinated by those who are different.


As someone who I suppose is technically LGBT, I couldn't give more of a rat's arse what people call themselves. I don't care if you're trans, gay, autistic and have down syndrome. I don't care. But if you infer that a group of people are mainly scum (check the title of this thread) you're gonna be in for a bad time at least with me.


1. My point wasn't really that it's bigotry to say anything against disabled people. I never said it's bigoted to say anything against LGBT people either. It's that gay and trans people can be as intolerant as people they complain about, why should it be automatically be considered bigotry by so many if gay and trans people are attacked, but not other things people can't help. Within that context, they would be bigots too.

2. Yes, I'm aware of the term special snowflake, the problem is, there needs to be some context, rather than you labeling a whole group of people like that.

3. Nothing in my comments regarded me being offended by anything.

4. I never said people don't judge appearances, or that you shouldn't. It depends on what you mean by "judging". My sentiment was regarding people thinking it's "bigoted" to insult people for their sexuality/gender/race, but if say, you insult a fat person for their weight, that's not bigotry, even though, for all intents and purposes, insulting someone's appearance is no different from insulting someone's sexuality. They're both just personal attacks, so there's no objective reason for one to be taken more seriously than the other. Insults are insults. Just to clarify because you're a thicko, none of this is a complaint about being insulted, but hypocrisy and being fickle. If anything I think people should be called bigots less often.

5. Ah, so it's okay for you to call disabled kids "special snowflakes" point blank, but it's bad for me to call some gay and trans people scum. I thought you believed in offense being taken and not given? Is that what this is about, you're pissy over the thread title? See unlike you point blank labeling a whole group of people, I never said gay and trans people are scum, I am trans myself. And I never said "most" of them are scum, like you falsely accused. I said "many". Many doesn't mean most. I'm a misanthropist, I don't like people in general. I specified people as scum, based specifically on their personality and actions, in this case it was relevant regarding the LGBT groups, due to the hypocrisy many have.

Here's some other examples:

If meat eaters in the western world bitch about cats and dogs being eaten in China, while they eat pigs and cows themselves, that's bullshit hypocrisy and I'll call them on it.

If people are supposedly against murder, but then support capital punishment, that's bullshit hypocrisy, and I'll call them out on it.

If a religious person preaches to others about abstinence until marriage, but then has sex themselves before getting married, that's bullshit hypocrisy, and I'll call them out on it.

In this same line of thought, I will criticize people who claim to be against intolerance of things they can't help (being gay/trans) but then go right ahead and attack people for things they can't help (disabilities/looks/pedophilia) because, in case you didn't get it, is hypocritical.

In which case, everything you've said to me, is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with being offended, it has nothing to do with complaining about bigots. Get that through your THICK skull. So how about you stop projecting your condescending, meandering idiocy on me and crawl back into your mother!

PS, don't presume whether or not I'm a genuine trans person or not. You have absolutely no standing or basis to come to any conclusions about that, you suspicious, presumptuous cunt.


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#109479 - 10/12/16 11:57 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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 Originally Posted By: Gira
I think it's funny how you're avoiding my question. Are you legal? (Or are you just a little boy in drag?)

Equal treatment is NOT a handout to those who cry for it. My experience with the transgendered community tells me; the louder a person crys, the less work they've done to earn anything.

I'm legally female on the civilian side and with Veterans Affairs. I've almost finished my D.O.D. stuff. What I'm trying to tell you is that I don't need to cry. I've earned my equal treatment.

And no I dot automatically assume it's bigotry whenever people poke fun at me. Being a target for ridicule is part of the package. You're going to have to get used to that.

But I will assume it's bigotry on your part when you cannot separate generalizations from personal prejudices.


Yes, I'm legal. I haven't had surgery but take hormones. Why exactly is this relevant?

As for the rest of your comment, kindly take it, and shove it up your arse. To repeat what I said in my other comment, this thread had nothing to do with being upset about being picked on or crying about anything. I've never had any real trouble for being trans. My brother wasn't "crying" about being picked on, and I didn't continue dealing with the people who were attacking me regarding him. As I said before:

If meat eaters in the western world bitch about cats and dogs being eaten in China, while they eat pigs and cows themselves, that's bullshit hypocrisy and I'll call them on it.

If people are supposedly against murder, but then support capital punishment, that's bullshit hypocrisy, and I'll call them out on it.

If a religious person preaches to others about abstinence until marriage, but then has sex themselves before getting married, that's bullshit hypocrisy, and I'll call them out on it.

In this same line of thought, I will criticize people who claim to be against intolerance of things they can't help (being gay/trans) but then go right ahead and attack people for things they can't help (disabilities/looks/pedophilia) because, in case you didn't get it, is hypocritical. I never said all or most gay or trans people do this, hence why I'm referring to people who DO!

Is any of this sinking into that mush that you call a brain, or are you going to continue being a contrary fuck and misinterpret what I say?

Also, I have no idea what you're talking about regarding "half assed trannies". The trans girls that took issue with me were proper trans people. I don't see why this is relevant.


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#109480 - 10/12/16 12:20 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Why come to us Satanists with this bullshit of yours?

What do you think we will have to offer? Understanding?

Perhaps we understand enough not to give a shit.

What exactly does calling people out do for you, or the situation?

It doesn't take more than a few times to learn that people won't care, and will continue being hypocritical regardless of your additional nonsense.
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#109481 - 10/12/16 12:26 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
FFS.

What exactly is your message besides calling people out?

Now I'm calling you out. What does calling people out do for you? Are you satisfied to escalate the stupidity inherent in those you disagree with?

Other than whining, you've offered us nothing to go by, and I'm not the only one who's pointed this out.

Is the message sinking into that gushy thing you call a brain yet?

As for me, a simple 'fuck off' usually does the trick. When pressed, I tell people I don't care about you.

Go to hell, whatever that may be for any given individual.

Its usually sufficient.


The things is, everyone does this. I'm sure at some point, you're going to complain about people's behavior and what you don't like about it, even though you aren't actively doing anything about it. I never said I had some grand idea in mind, but as I said, talking (or bitching) about things can bring up stuff some people may not have thought. These people responding to me are not only complaining equally in turn, but are also twisting my words. I don't care if they dislike my tone, that doesn't give people the right to misrepresent anyone. Nothing to say about that?

"Are you satisfied to escalate the stupidity inherent in those you disagree with?" So if say, a death penalty supporter claims to be against murder, shall we just shut up and not say anything about the blatant contradictory? Let's not say anything about hypocrisy. I don't get your point there.


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#109482 - 10/12/16 12:29 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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"Perhaps we understand enough not to give a shit." If you or anyone else didn't give a shit, you wouldn't be here moaning. You'd be elsewhere doing things you do give a shit about. Clearly, you are bothered about something here.
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#109483 - 10/12/16 02:04 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I never said I had some grand idea in mind


What I'm implying when asking 'what the fuck are you going to do about it' is by no means a 'grand idea,' however I'll bet from where you sit, someone who can think of an average response such as this might seem to you, like Einstein.

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Let's not say anything about hypocrisy. I don't get your point there.


This is your problem.

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'm sure at some point, you're going to complain about people's behavior and what you don't like about it, even though you aren't actively doing anything about it. I never said I had some grand idea in mind, but as I said, talking (or bitching) about things can bring up stuff some people may not have thought.


We know full well there are scum and imbeciles within every social group. You're not revealing anything new in pointing out hypocrisy. Merely 'saying' isn't always conductive, so why not take your own advise, get off the forum and do something other than whine at us?

What made you think Satanists need to hear this shit? You think we've never encountered hypocrisy?

Far as me actively doing something about it, well, I can't seem to smack anyone upside the head over an internet forum.

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If you or anyone else didn't give a shit, you wouldn't be here moaning. You'd be elsewhere doing things you do give a shit about.


Fair enough. So why don't you quit moaning, get the fuck off the Satanic forum, and take your tranny issues in person to other gay tranny people? While I can't speak for everyone, I'm going to go ahead and say you'll find little to no sympathy here.

You want better quality discussion, you're going to have to offer it.

*What if, and I'm just being hypothetical, but what if I were a complete hypocrite, and I just didn't care after you called me out? What if no one else gave a shit either and nothing was done at all despite your futile outcry? What then?

Just curious.
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#109485 - 10/12/16 04:53 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Calling a spade a spade. Shit or get off the pot. Bring something to the forum aside your vaginal bleed.
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#109487 - 10/12/16 09:11 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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Time to whip it out and waggle it around.

You almost answered the question but you complicated it with unnecessary information. I'm very supportive of you for going the HRT route. Guess what? So am I. I'm also taking testosterone blockers and something to shrink the prostate. On the side I'm going through laser hair removal and eating an occasional cookie.

I'm going to have ask you this question in long form.

In the beginning did you go to see a psychiatrist for psychological evaluation? Some situations require a second evaluation as supporting evidence. If needed, did you complete that one as well? With your psychiatrist's approval were you able to convince a licensed physician to write you a letter stating: State license number, their relationship to you (under current legal patient name), your alias (your chosen female name), the physician's affirmation of having a doctor-patient relationship, the statement; Miss ______ is irrevocably committed to this change, and physician's signature with date.

Next (within 90 days of physician's dated signature) did you go to your county court house and first submit a request for a name change? After that did you stand before a judge for the decision to change name and gender marker? After that did you go get your certified copy of the ruling?

Next did you go to the Social Security office and submit a request for a new Social Security card?

(48-72 hour mandatory wait time for processing)

Next did you go to your local department of motor vehicles and submit a request for new identification with; new name and new gender marker?

So, are you legally female?
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#109490 - 10/12/16 10:21 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Who fucking knew there was elitism? Even Transamerica has the real vs. poser dynamic. Do you call it exeatic as well?

Seriously though, that's a commitment which I respect you for. You may now return to calling this chick out.

Or are you saying she's not yet because she hasn't fully committed to that path?

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#109499 - 10/13/16 04:08 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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 Originally Posted By: Magicka Dispelga


1. My point wasn't really that it's bigotry to say anything against disabled people. I never said it's bigoted to say anything against LGBT people either. It's that gay and trans people can be as intolerant as people they complain about, why should it be automatically be considered bigotry by so many if gay and trans people are attacked, but not other things people can't help. Within that context, they would be bigots too.

2. Yes, I'm aware of the term special snowflake, the problem is, there needs to be some context, rather than you labeling a whole group of people like that.

3. Nothing in my comments regarded me being offended by anything.

4. I never said people don't judge appearances, or that you shouldn't. It depends on what you mean by "judging". My sentiment was regarding people thinking it's "bigoted" to insult people for their sexuality/gender/race, but if say, you insult a fat person for their weight, that's not bigotry, even though, for all intents and purposes, insulting someone's appearance is no different from insulting someone's sexuality. They're both just personal attacks, so there's no objective reason for one to be taken more seriously than the other. Insults are insults. Just to clarify because you're a thicko, none of this is a complaint about being insulted, but hypocrisy and being fickle. If anything I think people should be called bigots less often.

5. Ah, so it's okay for you to call disabled kids "special snowflakes" point blank, but it's bad for me to call some gay and trans people scum. I thought you believed in offense being taken and not given? Is that what this is about, you're pissy over the thread title? See unlike you point blank labeling a whole group of people, I never said gay and trans people are scum, I am trans myself. And I never said "most" of them are scum, like you falsely accused. I said "many". Many doesn't mean most. I'm a misanthropist, I don't like people in general. I specified people as scum, based specifically on their personality and actions, in this case it was relevant regarding the LGBT groups, due to the hypocrisy many have.

Here's some other examples:

If meat eaters in the western world bitch about cats and dogs being eaten in China, while they eat pigs and cows themselves, that's bullshit hypocrisy and I'll call them on it.

If people are supposedly against murder, but then support capital punishment, that's bullshit hypocrisy, and I'll call them out on it.

If a religious person preaches to others about abstinence until marriage, but then has sex themselves before getting married, that's bullshit hypocrisy, and I'll call them out on it.

In this same line of thought, I will criticize people who claim to be against intolerance of things they can't help (being gay/trans) but then go right ahead and attack people for things they can't help (disabilities/looks/pedophilia) because, in case you didn't get it, is hypocritical.

In which case, everything you've said to me, is irrelevant. It has nothing to do with being offended, it has nothing to do with complaining about bigots. Get that through your THICK skull. So how about you stop projecting your condescending, meandering idiocy on me and crawl back into your mother!

PS, don't presume whether or not I'm a genuine trans person or not. You have absolutely no standing or basis to come to any conclusions about that, you suspicious, presumptuous cunt.


Ummm, did you just EXCUSE PEDOPHILLIA?!?!? This is what is wrong with the extreme left. Trust me, if a pedophile even LOOKS at my child, no matter what his intentions are; a bitch is gunna die a long and very awful death!
You've got me pissed now, my legs are shaking. This is clearly not the group for you, you piece of swine.
Why are you excusing pedophiles?

I couldn't care less what you call me. I don't care about you. I don't care how someone looks, or what disabilities they have, but pedophiles? Really? You dumb bitch.

Trust me, you're offended; I can read it. I'm not retarded.

Hey I'm not a thick skulled numbsuckle like you. Go back to Tumblr and cry about us there. You've proven this isn't the place for you.

I have no problem with Asians eating cats and dogs, what I have a problem with is that they steal them and how they slaughter them. I'm also against Kosher and Halal so suck on that!

I'm against killing those who don't deserve it, not innocents. I'm also a serial killer/criminal historian.. I know my shit.

I don't care what religious people do.

Oh look, I found a photo of you

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#109514 - 10/14/16 03:31 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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I'm not entirely sure why the focus should be a gender identity anyway. You are not your gender, even if biology plays a role in thought process.

I'd say the most amusing thing about this thread is that the OP didn't have expectations met. Even after repetition, as though misunderstanding is the cause for the responses received.

If an outside reader were to look for consensus here, did we simply just misunderstand the aim? I don't think so.

Why should queer folk be given special treatment and consideration again? I'm still a bit fuzzy on that.

No one gets a free ride.
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#109547 - 10/17/16 12:57 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I strive to live by The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth and react when others break these rules against my interests. So I do not give opinions (bigoted or not) unless I am asked.

Suppose we live in a world prior to this hype about gay rights and disabled people...even than you probably wouldn't want to hurt some six-foot tall, ex-marine's father's feelings by offensive or hostile comments about his disabled kid, right?

You probably wouldn't want to offend your friend or someone you care about by insisting that his family member ought to be put to sleep for the betterment of race or humanity at large, right?

"Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them ... Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself."

If only the sjw's could learn from these rules. My discontent with the left wing activists (not gays, lezbians and trannies per se) is their insistence on being supported and agreed with on every single ideology point they espouse. Mere tolerance and indifference about their lifestyles and psycho-physical condition is not enough. What they desire is to be lauded because they believe others (especially white, male and family men) somehow owe it to them.

People can subjectively believe whatever they like to believe about themselves, but to demand others to agree with them about things which are not objectively verifiable is another thing. I do not pass value judgement here but I do like to stick to the biological facts, reject gender ideology and disagree with men who think/feel they are woman and vice versa - blatantly if they persist. Until they manage to change their male or female chromosome in every single cell of their body they aren't what they say they are and genital surgery will only make them crippled, not members of the opposite sex.
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#109555 - 10/18/16 02:39 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Bacchus]
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 Originally Posted By: Bacchus
I strive to live by The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth and react when others break these rules against my interests. So I do not give opinions (bigoted or not) unless I am asked.


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Until they manage to change their male or female chromosome in every single cell of their body they aren't what they say they are and genital surgery will only make them crippled, not members of the opposite sex.


Nobody asked you for your opinion.
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#109556 - 10/18/16 03:00 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Facts are not opinions. When a tranny says something he/she is not - that's an opinion. Facts are objective, self-standing, not derived from opinions (subjective thoughts, emotional wants and even self-deceit and/or stupidity).

 Originally Posted By: Gira
Nobody asked you for your opinion.

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#109564 - 10/18/16 11:09 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Bacchus]
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People can subjectively believe whatever they like to believe about themselves, but to demand others to agree with them about things which are not objectively verifiable is another thing.


Its pretty obvious you're not a Licsenced Physician or a SRS specialist. Unless you can provide medical credentials to prove otherwise your cripple comment will only be seen as an opinion, not a fact.

There is a serious difference between those who just claim to be the opposite sex and those who actually transition. Either by SRS or with genetic engineering (HRT). Only one of them just has an opinion.
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#109577 - 10/19/16 01:42 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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 Originally Posted By: Gira
Its pretty obvious you're not a Licsenced Physician or a SRS specialist.


How is that obvious? Do not assume to know my profession.

 Originally Posted By: Gira
Unless you can provide medical credentials to prove otherwise your cripple comment will only be seen as an opinion, not a fact.


Medical credentials cannot serve as an evidence of the full genetic and functional transition from one sex to another in the light of present-day medical literature. Even a credential holder must base his thesis on the observable phenomena which is demonstrable by a repeatable experiment in order to defend his reputation as a natural scientist. Authority (credentials) is not a scientific evidence...real science doesn't work like a sjw campus. lol

 Originally Posted By: Gira
There is a serious difference between those who just claim to be the opposite sex and those who actually transition. Either by SRS or with genetic engineering (HRT). Only one of them just has an opinion.


Right, but that statement does not contradict in my original claim. If you're born as man, claim to be a woman (or vice versa), demand to be regarded as such based on your subjective opinion and offensive when that regard is denied than you're a valid target for ridicule.
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#109580 - 10/19/16 10:44 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Bacchus]
Gira Offline
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How is that obvious? Do not assume to know my profession.


Do not assume I'm crippled.

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Medical credentials cannot serve as an evidence of the full genetic and functional transition from one sex to another in the light of present-day medical literature. Even a credential holder must base his thesis on the observable phenomena which is demonstrable by a repeatable experiment in order to defend his reputation as a natural scientist. Authority (credentials) is not a scientific evidence...real science doesn't work like a sjw campus. lol


On your end a lack of credentials clearly defines a lack of education. Your arguments are starting to desperate.

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If you're born as man, claim to be a woman (or vice versa), demand to be regarded as such based on your subjective opinion and offensive when that regard is denied than you're a valid target for ridicule.


Try reading the entire thread before posting a comment. I've stated before that we are targets for ridicule regardless of what we say or do. Ridicule is a side effect of the choice of transition. But here we are with you trying to validate your actions.
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#109583 - 10/19/16 12:17 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Suffice to say, just because a person has transitioned either by SRS or HRT, doesn't mean that objectively the rest of us identify your gender as having changed.

I think when people get on board, it's to accept a social identity. There's plenty of people that see the obvious and choose to ignore to just be polite.

The Buck Angel divorce battle was pretty public and covered the bases of a lot of social and legal issues.

Do you require the authority of the state to formalize it? If it does and people refuse to recognize it, then what?
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#109587 - 10/19/16 04:15 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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I think it downright funny when someone claims to identify as the opposite gender, and further, feels they are entitled to be addressed and treated as such.

First, no man has the faintest clue what it feels like to be a woman, and vice versa. They simply have no frame of reference; so they can't know if how they 'feel' equates to how the other gender feels.

Second, all the surgery in the world can't change that.

Or, in the words of Seth McFarlane - "there are no chicks with dicks, just guys with tits"
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#109588 - 10/19/16 04:52 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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And you're entitled to that opinion.

I'm not so sure, though.

Given the nature of hormone/androgen imbalance established in utero, and the verifiable effects it has on things such as shoulder width and finger length, I think it's entirely possible for one to believe they're in the "wrong body". (chicks with dicks argument)

It's also possible that having a dominant mother and submissive/emasculated father contributes to an inverted (warped) identity developing. (Dudes with tits argument)

There is an interesting case of a set of twin boys that even at 7 despite the same upbringing diverged in identity. One was little soldier with a room of camouflage and acted like you'd assume a boy would; his twin brother talked with a lisp and had a room of My Little Pony, and acted like you'd assume a girl would.

This was more a gay/strait argument, but it is my opinion it hits on the same factors as transgender(ism) and is a born thing, just like personality.
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#109590 - 10/19/16 05:43 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I have a cousin like that. From a family of 5 kids, he was the third. The other two boys were typical, Uncle is an alpha man's man while my aunt was a fairly traditional stay at home mom. He always favoured girls things and had girl friends, with which he did and discussed and giggled as a girl would.

My aunt always got quite cross when anyone even hinted at the possibility he might be a fag. Of course he's gay as fuck now, successful hairdresser, long term gay partner, the whole works.

Still a dude.

But on the the crux;Nobody knows what something they haven't actually experienced feels like. You can speculate, you can create fantasy representations, but you can't be the real till you know the real.
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#109593 - 10/19/16 06:18 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I see it like this, if nature intended it to be a girl, those genes would have dominated and thus produced a biological female fetus. The rest is just a speculation game.

Having higher levels of testosterone doesn't mean you physically or mentally know what it means to be male. I think the social identity confuses matters further when people begin to pick up roles to play the part as if it's a more convincing argument.

It isn't.
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#109594 - 10/19/16 06:49 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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Well, the Y chromosome mutates prior to androgen absorbtion playing a role in influencing the outcome. Which I think has more to do with the levels of the mother.

While it will always be male or female (unless it's hermaphroditic) the slate is written as the fetus takes shape in the 2nd and 3rd trimester.

I contend it's the mothers hormones that influence the later identity, and begets a boy with imbalanced hormones, leading to that "gender confusion".

While I will agree no one can know what it's truly feels like (aesthetically), their identifiable personality traits can fall on the opposite side of their born gender, like the boy that wants to be an figure skater, or other typically female likes. It can also become a point of obsession and strife, which later leads to their transition.

There is a "born not made" tie in here maybe. If males feeling comfortable as males is Orthodox then then males feeling comfortable as females is heterodox.
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#109595 - 10/19/16 09:04 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
But on the the crux;Nobody knows what something they haven't actually experienced feels like. You can speculate, you can create fantasy representations, but you can't be the real till you know the real.

Nor can you really be certain that your frame of reference as X is in any way common to X, though. You can really only know yourself.

I mean, I've heard guys swear up and down that "all men have gay fantasies at some time or another." Others are like, "I wouldn't deny it if I did, but nah." I've heard other women claim that sexuality is something we do solely to indulge men, that women have no sexual desire of our own to speak of. I'd beg to differ.

It seems to me a lot of the assertions about what is a defining feature of X group come from solipsistic group members projecting their shit on everyone.

There are certain trends, certain ends of the bell curve on such-and-such traits, certain recurrent patterns that we can trace as being "feminine" or "masculine" features. Naturally there are outliers, degrees of variation, some odd case studies that seem to straddle the distinction.

Gender is like one of those charts illustrating electron valence shells in terms of likely location of the electron at any given moment. It's clearly forming a shape, but trying to locate it or nail it down or draw a line is an exercise in futility.
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#109598 - 10/20/16 12:49 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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 Originally Posted By: Gira
Do not assume I'm crippled.


If you had a genital operation I state it as a fact. You can't fuck properly, your ability to sense pleasure has been severely reduced due to the lost of crucial erogenous tissue. You are impaired or flawed animal. Not because I think so but because you are.

 Originally Posted By: Gira
On your end a lack of credentials clearly defines a lack of education.


Does my assumed lack of "education" (or rather indoctrination) help your case?

 Originally Posted By: Gira
I've stated before that we are targets for ridicule regardless of what we say or do. Ridicule is a side effect of the choice of transition.


Everything has it's upsides and downsides. To have the support of the regime and the powers-that-be is another side effect. You've traded your natural faculties to enjoy special status in the thin soap bubble of the corporate world. You reap the benefits of "positive" discrimination and have the support of the state and the political class on your side. Your problem is that you cannot compel everyone else to consider you a victim. That problem is here to persist.

 Originally Posted By: Gira
But here we are with you trying to validate your actions.


What actions? It's not as we live in the Isis state so that people who disagree with you can toss you from a public building. What you really go for is to police other people's opinions and coerce them to accept yours. That's not going to happen.
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#109608 - 10/20/16 08:29 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Gender is like one of those charts illustrating electron valence shells in terms of likely location of the electron at any given moment. It's clearly forming a shape, but trying to locate it or nail it down or draw a line is an exercise in futility.

I don't buy it. If you were born with something down there that can be 'nailed down' you are a guy ;\) The rest is libtarded language play.
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#109610 - 10/20/16 08:58 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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There is a "born not made" tie in here maybe. If males feeling comfortable as males is Orthodox then then males feeling comfortable as females is heterodox.


That's a reach. On the flip-side if males feel comfortable pretending to be female, and its rejected, this too wrenches the machine.

The outcome is biologically obvious, the rest is a social influence pathology. Good luck chasing that rabbit.
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#109618 - 10/20/16 11:52 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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I really don't understand why people think they need to challenge gender. I've never understood this before. Maybe as part of the ongoing attack on masculinity.

This just now going on with the advance in technology. You'd think gender doesn't matter much any more because of it. For example, whoever has the gun usually has the upper hand. Man or woman or whatever.

On the flip side, Previous times and circumstance dictated the critical need for masculinity, wherein the backbone of strong men has up until now, been fundamental in the physical development of society.

Now that we have more technology, less masculinity is needed, thus an opening for attack. Plus, masculine traits and personalities are harder to bully around.
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#109622 - 10/20/16 02:53 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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The outcome is biologically obvious, the rest is a social influence pathology. Good luck chasing that rabbit.


The social aspect is the part both sides need to get over. When it becomes the grand social arena of equality it's less about the person being who they want, and more about making everyone else see them as who they want, which is also an exercise in futility.

Why'd you really do it?

I view it as a mental health issue. It's self medication, and will maintain one can feel like a woman in a man's body.

Just as others shouldn't push the little cross-dressing faggot to "Act like a man", he shouldn't force everyone in society to accept him like she wants to be seen. That should have fuck all to do with it.
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#109623 - 10/20/16 03:38 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I view it as a mental health issue. It's self medication, and will maintain one can feel like a woman in a man's body.


The problem with this is that a biological man can only *imagine* what it feels like to be a woman. No matter the exterior or interior mind. As for the shoulds and should nots, people with enough power in their grasp can invert perception.

I participate in some women-only events to better relate to women. it has a very strict "Natural Born Women Only" policy. While i find that notion restrictive and absurd, the women feel strongly about it because they feel as though Trans women can not relate to the issues related to menstruation, child birth and menopause. How could they?

My counter has always been that if women expect men to come to some sort of understanding of what women face, the need to stop excluding them from these types of discussions.

The other end, is that many women find these sorts of events a place to vent about abuses by men, feeling powerless and all the feels associated with it. It's a self-therapy thing. I can't even personally relate to most of it, and the women joke me as being a covert male. They ain't that far off but I wouldn't take that leap to say I'm a man in a woman's body. My nature developed from both experience and happenstance. I have somewhat control over how I'm perceived. I'm just not all that concerned with it until it becomes relevant to attainment.


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#109628 - 10/20/16 07:11 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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This is amazing, now he's fixated on my dick.

Only once have I corrected somebody on this site about my gender. That was due to the user venom cultist trying to solicit a p.m. from me assuming I could be his male lover. This was all posted in the shout box, including my reply of being female.

The only reason why I outed myself as transgender early on, my previous avatar was confusing Fnord and he asked what I was.

What demands do I make?

People like you irritate the fuck out of me. Making mass assumptions based upon demographics. That's same thing the o.p. was doing. Should I start assuming you are no different than every asshole Serbian I've ever met?
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#109634 - 10/21/16 07:03 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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Probably started right around here...

 Originally Posted By: Gira
Its pretty obvious you're not a Licsenced Physician or a SRS specialist. Unless you can provide medical credentials to prove otherwise your cripple comment will only be seen as an opinion, not a fact.


So if you don't pass, do you just whip out your credentials, call it an opinion and refer them to your physician?

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#109658 - 10/21/16 02:48 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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The cripple comment he made was about the crotch. It had nothing to do with passing.

I made the above statement for purpose of clarifying he didn't have the qualifications to go beyond opinion about the working order of other people's crotches.

If a trans person is trying to pass them self off as a member of the opposite sex, they need to be aware of who they're trying to pass for. There are tens of thousands transgendered people (and intersex people) at various stages of their life who can not now, or probably never will, visually pass for a member of the opposite sex in the eyes of the public.

Some only get as far as the psychological evaluation to attach a DSM V 302.85 diagnosis for gender dysphoria (which is the same as the ICD-9 code). (They may or may not alter the way they look)

Some just try to say they are the other. This is where it gets into the funny ground {insert cliché memory here}. I've said before, people who just make the claim only have an opinion.

What if you don't pass?

At the beginning of this thread I give this answer for a different question. But it can be used here as well.

"Well, what if I don't pass?"
"Why are you giving these people so much power?"
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#109722 - 10/24/16 12:01 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Gira]
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 Originally Posted By: Gira
The cripple comment he made was about the crotch. It had nothing to do with passing.


Actually it does. From first-hand experience with having sex with Trans folk, it's a thing. A performance & pleasure thing, the person wants to 'pass' but just can't. It can be a handicap. I think he was just calling it out as a legitimate aspect of social identity. You are often hit in the face with the cold-harsh biological reality. Fancy embossed sheets of paper are moot in that regard.


 Quote:

I made the above statement for purpose of clarifying he didn't have the qualifications to go beyond opinion about the working order of other people's crotches.


Actually he does. You repeating this doesn't change it.

 Quote:
If a trans person is trying to pass them self off as a member of the opposite sex, they need to be aware of who they're trying to pass for. There are tens of thousands transgendered people (and intersex people) at various stages of their life who can not now, or probably never will, visually pass for a member of the opposite sex in the eyes of the public.


The bottom line is, they want to pass for the opposite gender but can't. You can't change your skeleton, no matter how the hormones affect the exterior. Visually isn't quite it either. It's not enough for many Trans folk. They don't want their gender to be an issue at all in most cases.


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Some only get as far as the psychological evaluation to attach a DSM V 302.85 diagnosis for gender dysphoria (which is the same as the ICD-9 code). (They may or may not alter the way they look)

Some just try to say they are the other. This is where it gets into the funny ground {insert cliché memory here}. I've said before, people who just make the claim only have an opinion.



This is nothing more than your opinion. By your own logic, neither are you qualified to speak on behalf of others. Your situation is not that of others, and it's often in flux with the reality of transition.

Plenty go the route of the Black Market because it's that important to them. Many have no requirement or obligation to use surgery at all. It's more of a social acceptance than it is a biological one.

Just as you have opinions, they are neither more valid or legit just because you are Trans. Society at large also holds sway.
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#111184 - 01/10/17 07:55 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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I could not fathom being so intolerant of the gender that I was born with that it would compel me to go through all the surgical rigors required only to progressively fail-at-passing-less as the other gender. Although it does not freak me out nearly enough to vocalize this sentiment unprompted, the fact remains: I think trans-people are broken and gross.

As for gays - I only have an opinion regarding the gays that insist that I should have an opinion of gays, and it is a negative one.
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#111186 - 01/10/17 08:28 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I find I have to keep centred in this current PC climate. I am happy for gay people to get married. Recently however, I considered voting against it simply because I felt bullied by the political LGBT and wanted to stick it to them. I can't stand the political LGBT community and liken them to BLM. They create problem where there are no problems by turning molehills into mountains. And the political LGBT are happy to confuse our youth which really fucks me off. I would like to see the gay marriage vote completely separated from all of the other bullshit on the LGBT agenda. I don't want to see these arseholes drag gay people down with them.

And talk about show ponies... Why is it every activist group these days resembles a teen girl taking duck-faced selfies. Seriously, why does everybody have to tell the world their business. So your transgender... Than go and be transgender - I don't care.

It reminds me of this vegan I knew years ago that would pinch peoples parsley and loudly say, Oh, you've got parsley. I love parsley. I have to have some parsley. Desperate for a self-esteem much? She is probably uploading pictures of her eating parsley onto Facebook these days... (Actually she was a nice lady - just a fucking tripper.)
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#111203 - 01/11/17 11:54 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: ShadowLover]
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That's provided you continue with the supportive sentiment. Personally, I don't support gay marriage or any marriage that requires a legal contract. People can decide for themselves what sort of relationships they want. It makes more sense to tackle the reasons legal entanglement as required in the first place.

* Property Rights
* Benefit Privilege
* Legal Decisions
* Child Rearing/Custody


Et Al. It's all so very archaic and an overhaul of these concepts is long over due.
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#111217 - 01/11/17 07:40 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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I think I understand what you are saying... You are saying that you don't support the legal institution of marriage regardless of the sexual arrangement?

I guess I haven't thought a lot about the institution in that way... It is something that has been around for centuries and something that most of the people on the planet aren't ready to let go of for whatever reason.

My logic regarding it is simply that it shouldn't be restricted to heterosexual couples. If somebody wants to get married than go for it. I also support polygamous marriages simply because they are quite common in many parts of the world and grouping does seem to be a natural human arrangement at times. ...Not saying I want to be in one. But each to their own.

I baulk at underage marriages, especially where you have 10yr girls marrying 50yr old men.

I don't support children marrying each other but understand that such arrangements are often for economic survival in very poor communities... I don't think it would be helping to take away their solution without putting another in place.

I also have a tolerance for arranged marriages. Again, not that I would enter into one, but in some ways they make sense. We don't always choose the most suitable mates... Perhaps older, wiser family members who aren't drunk on love drugs could make better choices.

At the end of the day, marriage is a complex subject. I guess, all I am saying is that whatever it is, I don't see why any sane adult should be excluded. Let them each decide for themselves whether they want to embrace the institution or not.

I agree that an overhaul is overdue... I'm not sure one size fits all when it comes to marriage or pair-bonding in general.



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#111226 - 01/12/17 04:19 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
It's all so very archaic and an overhaul of these concepts is long over due.

That's correct.

However, I'm of the opinion people can't cope with their freedom.
An overhaul would imply becoming more "lax" in attitude and offering the same rights to different groups and ideas.

Ranging from gay, transgender, "fantasy",.. towards the slightly more disturbing marriage with inanimate objects, infants,..

Just imagine... someone marrying his Dakimakura and leaving all his belongings to it. Good luck suing a pillow in court for not paying rent and shared assets.

So the overhaul should be limited to human interaction.
Old fart marrying a 10-year old bride. Dies two weeks after marriage and she has to pay his mortgages. Have fun kiddo. Welcome to the big world!

Luckily we can still count on the sanity of "moral" of the good 'ol days to see the stupidity of this and make the overturn....
IF it remains within media. Getting customed to this shit generally leads to a blind eye and shit as this eventually passing through.

So yeah, overhauling isn't probably such a bad idea... as long as there's a bloody rigid basis of sanity and "classic" morality present.
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#111451 - 02/12/17 11:38 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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Responding to the initial post after reading some answers,

So basically, you are saying that people who had to deal with shit their entire lives since birth, who are angry and hurt and dismissed, can never be non-saints and bash others. You think hurting people for 30-40 years in a row and then giving them the right to marry makes them in some way superior and wise and good?

*Cercei's subtle smile*

They won't become wise and good. Some of them will, some will become vengeful, and so what? What is the consequence for that? That some random angry person will complain about it in a satanic forum.

People don't behave well because they mean to. It's because it's the path of least resistance. For gay people, maybe judging how people look to feel superior for once in their life is that path. Let them have it gracefully.

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#111480 - 02/18/17 10:04 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Magicka Dispelga]
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You seem inherently bothered by one thing FOR SURE: hypocrisy.
I think that you will see that it was that you tried your best to articulate yourself on this board, and you did quite well.

What I wanted to mention was that you were a bit confused about 'gay and trans' people... I want you to know that overall, these people CLEARLY only want to be liked. They are ALWAYS doing things pushing themselves towards ACCEPTANCE.

What are Gay Pride Parades?
What are Gay Straight Alliances?
What are Gay Protests to earn rights? Actual official protests?

I think you are going to see that gay people are not going anywhere so maybe you should quit not listening to the objective that gay people have and you should realize that they are extremely infatuated with men and that is not BAD.

They have it really bad. Some people would have it to deny them the LOVE that they feel. SAD.

I think you will find it that you were not looking at these people and their cries for acceptance. They are LARGELY misunderstood, so maybe it was that they were a bit FRUSTRATED.

I was just going to tell you that you probably have a misunderstanding with gay people. You probably do not understand that they are FRUSTRATED.

What I was going to say was the point was that you are going to see that what you just wrote was pretty much a vent and you are going to see that you are venting on this critical thinking website and that is just what it is, darling. It's what you make of it.

What you should do now is probably rethink a couple things. Especially this.

It's really not a cool idea to have an issue with ANY gay person--they are friends until the end.
I'm dead serious--these people are really amazing friends that would love to do ANYTHING for their chum.
It was that a gay person was supposed to be HAPPY.

That's all I have to say, so yeah.
One more thing: I'm serious. This is a vent. I don't really know if it was a good idea that you vented about this. I don't really have a clue.
It would be prudent for ou to realize that overall, I just don't think that you disliking gay people has a good point. I' m telling you that you didn't bring up any valid points. I'm telling you that this was not THOUGHTFUL.

Indeed.
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#111519 - 02/27/17 01:25 PM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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The whole movement has much more to do with being a special snowflake than putting actual points on the map.

Some states can now have gay-marriages. Some are still pissed. Not because they finally got their (well-deserved?) rights but moreover that it is one extra priviledge acquired (and one whining point off).

Frustrated? People are generally thinly skinned anyway. Flamboyant gays even more so.
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#111619 - 03/05/17 10:28 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Dimitri]
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I see that you agree with me very much.
Maybe it was just me but you seem a bit perturbed by something: you are pertubed by gays not having the right to marry in some states or whatever.
~There was no cause
~There was no purpose
~There was nothing just
I think you are going to see that it was that no one cared about gays, you know? I have no idea what to say. We still aren't monsters, you know? You would know. XD/
Anyways, it's about time we realized that something was going right... something was going very right indeed.
What was going right? It was that we were starting to think about our feelings of course. XD
Oh I don't know, just be happy of course... Dimitri!
Okay, so let me tell you something--
What's the importance of Satanism and how they feel about gay marriage?

You would probably know this. You seem like a devoted Satanist. What was it?

Why are you not bound by RESTRICTION? You seem like a free thinker! XD/
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#111622 - 03/05/17 11:22 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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Get off the drugs, you'll make more sense.

If you feel a restriction it might just indicate you're not ready, or are perceived as too incompetent, to continue.

Satanism is as important as gay marriage.
It will depend whom you're asking and if they make a living out of it.

You'd be surprised about the lack of interest and caring there truly is.
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#113264 - 06/20/17 10:54 AM Re: Many gay and trans people are scum. [Re: Vandelbrot]
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 Originally Posted By: Vandelbrot
Responding to the initial post after reading some answers,

So basically, you are saying that people who had to deal with shit their entire lives since birth, who are angry and hurt and dismissed, can never be non-saints and bash others. You think hurting people for 30-40 years in a row and then giving them the right to marry makes them in some way superior and wise and good?

*Cercei's subtle smile*

They won't become wise and good. Some of them will, some will become vengeful, and so what? What is the consequence for that? That some random angry person will complain about it in a satanic forum.

People don't behave well because they mean to. It's because it's the path of least resistance. For gay people, maybe judging how people look to feel superior for once in their life is that path. Let them have it gracefully.


It means they're guilty of the same behavior they whine about, in which case they aren't in any position to act superior anymore. Would you be just as defensive of a disabled person looking down on gay people? Are are you just argumentative for the sake of it? You probably complain abut people's behavior when it suits you.

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