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#11551 - 09/17/08 10:27 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Nemesis Offline
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Where is Obama's foreign policy experience? He doesn't even have 150 DAYS of experience as a senator!


After a primary victory in March 2004, Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004. He was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.

Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from the Illinois' 13th District, which then spanned Chicago South Side neighborhoods from Hyde Park-Kenwood south to South Shore and west to Chicago Lawn

Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, and again in 2002.

In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority.

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.

In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.


Total days of experience: 4,380

VS.

In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant beauty contest, then finished third (second runner-up) in the Miss Alaska pageant. In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV in Anchorage, Alaska, and for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman as a sports reporter.

Sarah Palin was elected twice (1992 and 1995) to the city council of Wasilla.

She ran for Wasilla city council in 1992...She won 530 votes to John Hartrick’s 310.

After serving on the city council for three years, she ran for reelection against R’nita Rogers in 1995.

Palin did not complete her second term on the city council because she ran for mayor in 1996.

Palin served two terms (1996–2002) as mayor of Wasilla. At the conclusion of Palin's tenure as mayor in 2002, the town had about 6,300 residents,and it is now the fifth largest population center in the state.

She was elected governor in 2006.

She's only had a passport for a year, and that was for travel to Kuwait and Germany to visit Alaska National Guard troops. A brief stopover in Shannon, Ireland for jet refueling rounds out her international travel. The McCain campaign has said Palin may have visited Mexico on a personal trip, but they're not sure.


Total days of experience: 5,840

Pretty fucking close, his 12 years to her 16, so don't give me that "150 days of experience" bullshit.

In summary, Palin stuck to local positions such as serving on the city council for less than 4 years. Obama started out in the senate in 1996, served on several large committees, and has traveled abroad on a regular basis. Just because people living in Miami can see Cuba (they can't--that's besides the point), doesn't make them experts on foreign relations.

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If you think that Palin needs to be at home taking care of her kids, and Obama does not, then you are sexist and should be treated like a battered housewife. Why is it okay for a MAN to campaign without his kids, but when a woman does it, shes neglecting her responsibilities?


Obama's two daughters are not nursing, nor do they have a birth defect their parents have to contend with. It's an issue no matter whether you think it's appropriate or not.
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#11568 - 09/18/08 11:42 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
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Registered: 06/21/08
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as far as the experience, I was referring to actual days of work in the US Senate. Obama spent 143 days that he actually went into work. McCain spent more time then that as a POW. And again, why is he being compared to Palin? Is she running for president? McCain is perfectly healthy, have you seen his mother? He wont have any problems making it the next 4 or 8 years.
But since it seems to be the trend here,

Executive experience

Obama: Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of his campaign staff and a vast crowd of traveling journalists

Palin:Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of 500,000 people in her state, and that impact crucial issues of national economic interest such as the supply and cost of energy to the United States.

Foreign Relations experience

Obama:Chaired Senate subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming Germans

Palin:Governor of state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)

Guns

Obama:Worked to pass legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning firearms

Palin:Lifetime member of NRA and avid hunter;video can be found on YouTube of Palin firing an M4 at a military firing range

About the 'special needs baby'. He is getting everything he needs from his father. he does not NEED to be breastfed everytime he eats. Have you ever taken care of a down syndrome baby? They are actually really easy to care for as infants. and lie you said, it is not an issue, I was responding to someones else's sexist comments.

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#11572 - 09/18/08 02:12 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
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Registered: 08/28/07
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I smell a conspiracy within our new member Conspiracy's identity...something smells familiar. Perhaps he's voting Ron Paul?
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#11581 - 09/18/08 08:39 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Octavius]
Nemesis Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
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Loc: US
 Originally Posted By: Octavius
I smell a conspiracy within our new member Conspiracy's identity...something smells familiar. Perhaps he's voting Ron Paul?


Perhaps these are two very similar individuals in the same city, who might both be looking for a Satanic housekeeper, and who indulge in over-the-top conspiracy theories. Surely, there is no connection between the two!
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#11589 - 09/18/08 09:14 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
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Well good at least it is not just me...

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#11590 - 09/18/08 09:26 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Nemesis Offline
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The media are linking Palin and Obama together because they're young, popular and good-looking. They are not the usual "old white guy" that we've been used to since the inception of this country (except for Kennedy--but he was still white). Palin rallies the evangelical conservatives that so worry the rational-minded of the country, and threaten to undo all of the progress we've made in the last quarter-century in terms of science and making this country less concerned with medieval mentalities. Her words are as empty as Obama's, despite her having more "experience". McCain lets her do much of the talking, knowing that many people that come to his speeches are only there to see her.

As far as experience in foreign relations goes, Obama has taken several long trips as a lawmaker—through Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa.

The extent of Palin's travel includes visiting troops in Kuwait in 2005, prior to which she didn't even have a passport, troops again in Germany, and a layover in Ireland. Oh, and her personal trip to Mexico for vacation. She has never actually met a head of state. The fact that Alaska borders a country that is so much like us in culture, world view and language, doesn't do her much credit. That's like saying you're down with the Canuks because you live near the US/Canada border in Michigan, and you and your neighbors have dinner at each others' houses. That whole "I can see Russia!" line she touts again as "experience" is a bunch of shit. As I said before, just because you can see across the border doesn't mean you have a clue as to what's going on.

Bush was governor of Texas for 6 years, and wow! Look at the awesome job he's done thus far. Do you deny that Cheney has no influence on this nation and it's policies and economic situation? Granted, he's not going to be running the country a(officially, at least), but he does have the President's ear. Factoring the running mate with the candidate is a MUST when deciding who to vote for.

Obama has shifted his position on gun control, compared to his virulent anti-gun stance back in 1998:

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
(doesn't mean that he's going to be able to effect that kind of change when he's president--that's usually left to Congress).

Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)

While I'm thrilled that Palin is a long-time supporter of 2nd Amendment rights, it still doesn't balance out her lack of qualifications. Now, if McCain had picked Bobby Jindal, Gov. of Louisiana, he would have a solid ticket. Jindal is more "rounded out" experience-wise, having a much more diversified resume than Palin. I still wouldn't vote for them, becaus Jindal is a proponent of the Patriot Act, teaching intelligent design in public schools, banning flag burning, anti-abortion and opposes embryonic stem cell research. I do support his "sex offender chemical castration" proposal, but there are just too many things that could go wrong with that if put into effect.
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#11593 - 09/18/08 10:04 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
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Registered: 06/21/08
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Loc: Toledo, OH
Funny... I realized right away who you were talking about... and found him on your members map. I'll just say, you are lucky you only have to put up with him online.

As for my Nemesis; I have to respect your perspective, especially since you write so well.
I agree with you about Jindal, he would have been the better 'man' for the job, but Palin is giving people a reason to vote. She's someone all of the moms can relate to. She left her campaign trail last week to attend.... a PTA meeting. Im sure that you do not have kids in school, or you would understand. Most of the moms at my kids school are nuts about her. And a lot of moms vote.

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#11598 - 09/18/08 11:00 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Morgan Offline
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Registered: 08/29/07
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Fine that last one jumping my ass was satanas, I thought you were him under a brand new name. Yes, not all oil workers live in Alaska, duh!!, some live down south near the gulf of mexico.

"And were not all men either"
So your a chick now?

It doesnt have that much oil.
Your wrong.


You live in America, its getting more and more socialist with government buyout of failing companies. We are in the midst of the beginning of a depression. The country is in a big ass hole. We owe money to everyone, and keep printng more and more so the dollar gets further devalued. Most regulations and laws have been lobbied away by money. This country is losing the middle class, and heading towards 2 classes, 1 very rich and 1 poor. Most of the world hates us, adn we are fighting someone else war.

We need a big ass change, not 4 more years of gop failed leadership. Mccain was a pow and had his right to choose taken away by the jailer in the hanoi hilton. Now he feels no remorse about taking away someone else right to choose what to do with their body. I used to like Mccain, but 8 years ago was his time, not now. In those 8 years he sold out and is willing to do whatever it takes to get to the whitehouse at any cost.

Obama is not a saint, hes not hitler, hes just a man. A man with a different vision than yours. So if you dont like him, dont vote for him.
BUT
making fucked up posters like you did doesnt change the facts.
All it does is make you look stupid and petty.

I really feel bad for you.

see ya in hell,
Morgan
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#11652 - 09/20/08 10:52 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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Registered: 09/08/07
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Loc: Somerville TX. USA
With all due respect to women. I hope those who don't care about politics, and haven't ever cared about politics, don't decide to come out of the woodwork all of a sudden and vote just because she's a girl. I know a lot of ladies who could care less about issues. Now all of a sudden they care. That's just obserd.

McCain would have been a good pick in 2000. We have the best economy in Arizona. However now he's just too damn old. He is out of touch. Im tired of these old geezers running things. At least Obama is young and hungry. He might actually do some work.
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#11748 - 09/22/08 08:31 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Asmodeus Xaxam]
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From CNN, not really new news, but sheds yet another light on the VP candidate:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's hometown required women to pay for their own rape examinations while she was mayor, a practice her police chief fought to keep as late as 2000.

For years, Alaska has had the worst record of any state in rape and in murder of women by men. The rape rate in Alaska is 2.5 times the national average.

During the time Palin was mayor of Wasilla, her city was not the only one in Alaska charging rape victims. Experts testified before the Legislature that in a handful of small cities across Alaska, law enforcement agencies were charging victims or their insurance "more than sporadically."


I mean, the woman thinks rape victims should not be allowed to abort fetuses conceived by the rapist, so why is it no surprise she could care less about charging a rape victim for these kits?
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#11753 - 09/22/08 10:39 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
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Registered: 09/15/08
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I think Obama sucks. Way too leftist. Same goes for Biden.

I don't like McCain either. He'll sell his principals to the highest bidder like most polititians.

I don't like alot about Palin, but I do like the fact that she hasn't been corrupted by politics as thoroughly as the other three.

I'll probobly vote for Barr, the libertarian. Yes I know he won't win. But if he did higher than expected in a few states it could bring them some attention. Maybe they'd do better next time. But none of that is likely to happen.

You will get a bigger, more socialist (more French-like) government and higher taxes no matter who you vote for. Things are pretty bad right now and there is NO relief in sight.

Since I view the 2nd amendment as the one that safeguards all the others, I may vote for McCain since he's less likely to attempt to put more restrictions on guns for the law-abiding.

Munki

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#11768 - 09/23/08 12:18 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Munki1]
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Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 72
I'd say an intelligent voter would consult the numerous .Gov or .edu sites available to them to see if it was compatible with their current ideals and vote accordingly within their current system.
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#11856 - 09/25/08 09:11 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Cody]
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Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 24
Loc: OR, Multnomah
I am a little confused after 8 years of Bush and many Satanists for McCaine...how can those of you not question your political views as you have questioned your Philosophical/Religious beliefs?

What is McCaines Economic Policies? Still waiting to hear him share this. I think this is vital since we tax payers, are about to be resposible for a 7 billion dollar bail-out.

Conservative Christian Right Repulican Party - seems like that would be enough to question all things before supporting it blindly at this point.

I am Proudly voting for Obama and I find McCaine and Palin flat out funny every time they make an ass out of themselves. It is a given.

Personally, I think the Republicans need to seperate parties;
Peoples Repulican Party and Corporate Republican Party. Ron Paul was on to something that would have been for the Peoples Republican Party. Fundamentality I disagree but we could atleast have intelligent debates if the republicans could have a party that supported the people rather then the corporations.


Edited by Jaguar (09/25/08 09:12 PM)
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#11861 - 09/25/08 09:35 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Jaguar]
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I think this is vital since we tax payers, are about to be resposible for a 7 billion dollar bail-out.


I hope this was just a typo. That's actually $ 700 billion. Probably more by the time it's hammered out and passed. More appauling than the price tag, is the shift in American politics. When did we shift from a capitalist society to a socialist one? When did the government start buying out private and public companies and federalizing them? What happened to the law of supply and demand? Companies founded on greed grew way beyond wildest profit margins. To continue to maximize that growth and greed, they took on more credit and riskier credit than they should. But they had to keep their fleet of private jets well fueled. When the risky loans started defaulting, they felt the pinch. Their greed bit them in the ass. Now we have to pay for it? We have to keep the CEO from losing his multi million $ pension package? Fuck that, let him have to sell his mansion on 200 acres and move into an apartment with the rest of us. Instead of his $200,000 car, he can trade down to a nice Toyota like the rest of us. Where's Uncle Sam bailing out the small time companies just trying to provide a service to the community and keep a few employees earning a pay check?
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#11862 - 09/25/08 10:23 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: fakepropht]
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Ron Paul warned of all of the nonsense. Of course, when he started talking monetary policy he lost most people and they just looked at him like he was crazy. The corporate media tried their best to ignore him or to marginalize him as another 'crazy' like Perot or Nader.

If Ron Paul is your guy, you could not get any further away from his way of thinking than to vote for the openly communist Obama. If Obama gets his way, not only would the govt own $700 billion worth of private property - but all private property.

Obama was mentored by Saul Alinsky, the author of "Rules for Radicals." Google it.

If compulsory collectivism is your bag, than Obama is your man. Personally, I just want govt to leave me alone.
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