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#11864 - 09/26/08 12:15 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
Jaguar Offline
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Obama was mentored by Saul Alinsky, the author of "Rules for Radicals." Google it.

If compulsory collectivism is your bag, than Obama is your man. Personally, I just want govt to leave me alone.


First part sounds good to me! After reading up on this as you offered. Simply a way to counter act. (I respect your will for no government but we have no choice, unless you know of some utopia that exists, undiscovered by a country)
Compulsory collectivism....I only could find one actual reference and no actual definition of that term. Sounds like a form of Socialism. Good or bad that is what I got from it. In my opinion, socialism is best suited for city or even county government while democracy is best for federal and state government.
Nothing is perfect. We could take the Anarchy approach but we would have nothing left if we destroy everything and the end result would be people coming together as socialists or be ruled by tribe leaders and then rise back up to large form of governments yet again.
Thanks Fist! I have read alot of your responses to posts and I was curious where you stood. I understand now that it is the rule of any government that drives you to the Republican party. I disagree but I respect that deeply. \:\)

What am I pissed about in politics at its core? I was republican until the reality of jobs and homes kicked in for myself, friends and family. College graduates workings some crap job unable to pay off student loans, myself and family members suffering because the gut of our country has jobs being sold out for cheap labor to other countries. CEO's racking in profits that are out of balance and then they go under placing the burden, back on the the people yet again. This crap pisses me off!!! If we have to be ruled by law and live with our liberties, then tax everyone equally. No tax breaks for the rich or the poor. We all pay our fair share.

"Let them eat cake" was a term from the French that mean't "let the poor eat the left over filth in the the pig troughs." It led to the French revolution. Are we that far gone as Americans? Do we need a depression to wake people the fuck up! Is this the direction we must go before we take care of each other? Are we that selfish? This is what pisses me off again about politics. I am willing to kill for those I hold dear and pay my share of taxes for my community. I am tired of seeing people who give a shit get slapped on the cheek. I want to smash the slapper in the face! We are ruled by democracy and capitalism. We need to find balance. Dump the destroyers in both and uphold the creators in both. This is where I stand.

Cheers!


Edited by Jaguar (09/26/08 12:52 AM)
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#11932 - 09/28/08 03:50 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Jaguar]
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I do not care that Biden and Palin have sons in Iraq. I do not care that Mccain was a war prisoner. I do not care that Obama is black. I want a leader.

Mccain was the maverick he said he was about three years ago. Now that he jumped on the political train, he is a whore. It is as if someone pushed a button in his head and told him to be a Bush bitch. I do not care if said, "Bush ought to be fired" he is backed by the GPO, and that is exactly who won Bush the election.

Palin was just a move for the GPO that insured them a place in the history books. I have yet to hear her speak in depth about her policies. So far they’re just about what she wants to do and not how to do it.

The same goes for Mccain.

The same goes for Obama.

Biden is the only one who can stand his ground thus far.

We are headed for a financial nightmare, and that is all there is to it. We are in two wars. Our country has more provides services than it does industry. Unemployment is high, and our government is spending money as if they were in Vegas.

There is no one that can bail us out. Our government is so far in debt right now, what makes you think they can afford this 700 billion to bail out Wallstreet? We have kids graduating from college with 30k in debt from credit cards alone. Yeah sure, the Bush administration lowered standards for financial institutions, but it is still our fault we are in the mess that we are in. Yet, you will never hear any of the candidates say this.

No one will also admit to this.

We need a depression. We need a drastic change. We are fat, stupid, and lazy We don’t want to get dirty. We have misplaced our needs for our wants.
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#13525 - 10/27/08 03:04 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Aleph]
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Just a little question to our friends overseas;
How are your views now on the politics? Did your vote change, do you think the results will begin to change since McCains last speech?

Just out of interest if something changed, television uphere is busy with statistics about "how the american people could elect". But I prefer to hear it from the people themselves..
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#13527 - 10/27/08 03:37 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Dimitri]
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Loc: California
I have not been monitoring the campaigns since the last debate between McCain and Obama. But given the outcome of those debates, neither candidate was really strong...The GOP is really singing the wrong tune right now about the war...The previous poster does seem to make a good note that Joe Biden is the only one with the answers to how we can fix things instead of just what he wants to do...I cannot say I agree with everything Joe Biden says, but none the less its good to have an idea...Any candidate who does have a good idea usually ends up losing part of it to debate in the cutting room. (that's what I call Congress).

I believe that Barack Obama has good intentions and has the potential to be a good leader, but he needs to get a strong heart and stomach for the decisions he will have to make...Another thing which either candidate will have to do is hurdle obstacles presented by powerful special interest groups.

I think right now where it stands is that Barack Obama will win because John McCain screwed up by giving the V.P. ticket to Sarah Palin...she is just skating on bullshit and on top of that her mental process is founded too much on Christian fundamentalism...The woman would actually make her daughter have a baby even if it was the result of a rape...That is fucking nuts! That is like mom having a part in that rape and saying its okay to screw up her daughter's life.
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#13528 - 10/27/08 03:44 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Dimitri]
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I am no longer overseas, but the time I spent serving there has given me a drastically diferent view on things.

(How are your views now on the politics?)
-J-O-K-E. An absolute joke. This is nothing more than a popularity contest. A circle jerk if you will. These people do not give a FUCK about us. They want a plush life and they want to be remembered, and they will tell the majority what they want to hear to get it.

(Did your vote change, do you think the results will begin to change since McCains last speech?)
-As my last answer points out. My vote has not changed as it is and will be nonexistant. It is a speech, that's all. The American people will not elect. I think the Bush election shows this to be true.

Look, this war is a disaster. No secret there. Smoke has been blown up our asses for far to long in the effort to sqeeze out as much tolerance for it as possible. First it was a hunt for Bin Laden. Then, out of the blue our target is Saddam. NOW we are trying to rebuild Iraq. Is this simply due to a short attention span? Are these guys easily distracted? No, they are full of shit. Here's a little secret. I was in the forward most deployed heavy brigade combat team in the WORLD. They still hold this today. We had orders to go into the middle east before Sep.11 even happened. What do you gather from this? People say it's for a good cause as those people need freedom. FUCK 'EM! When it's YOUR friends and family getting blown the fuck up you tend to lose the imperative sense of these peoples needs. I would still, however, be willing to go back there had I not gotten into trouble and got my ass kicked out. This is only my thoughts on it, i'm sure you'll get some different views.
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#13530 - 10/27/08 05:24 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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wow, that's pretty amazing stuff to here. I personally hope you don't have to go back there again, but if I may ask why would you want to take another tour?

Given the information about receiving orders to go into Iraq prior to 9-11-01. don't you think you could better serve the cause by forming a grass roots organization and raise the awareness level? I am sure people like Amy Goodman or even Wolfe Blitzer and Christianne Amanpour would help you if you had good sources.

Look, I am not against fighting radical Islam or what has been deemed the war on terror, but I personally think we are going about fighting terrorism in the wrong way...This war on terror is very much like Vietnam...We are fighting other country's proxy militaries just as much as we did in Korea and Vietnam...The Soviet Union used other countries to deplete the U.S. resolve and turn us into a bunch of boneheads. John F. Kennedy knew this and yet the powers at work still got their way in Dealy Plaza.

We need to stop spending so much goddamn money on protracting major wars or occupations and start fighting them the way JFK wanted to in the first place with low intensity scenarios...We need to enhance special forces or SOCOM with the ability to make force multipliers and education. If we revert to that strategy then we can fight on rolled back expenditure while still maintaining a deterrence to evade higher escalations.

But before we can even move in that direction their definitely needs to be better accountability in our government.
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#13531 - 10/27/08 05:58 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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The reason I would go back is simply because my friends are there. I don't care about the "cause." I have friends that I have come very close to, to put it like this might help in understanding. I would have a hard time dealing with a friend being gunned down. Maybe, had I been there I could have first killed the guy who shot him or provided aid to the wound. Basically, they need people to watch their back. It pisses me off seeing able bodied people with "Support the troops" stickers on their cars and shit like that. They are liars. If they really wanted to support them they would get their asses over there and cover their backs. However, it also pisses me off that there are soo many who don't agree with it but keep droning on in blind obedience to an obvious idiot. If you truly think this war is an absolute right, than those 10 people can go fight it. The reason this is such a blood bath is because people are willing to join in on it. It is your life, if your spidey senses are tingling that you could die for a vain cause you have EVERY right to walk away. I'm all for hunting the men who were permitted to perform this act on our land, but that's it.

I think the country would benefit greatly if they, in this world, bothered no one. Yet if one were to persist in harassing, smash them hip and thigh.


Edited by blsk (10/27/08 06:31 PM)
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#13532 - 10/27/08 07:10 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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Look, I sympathize with you on the issue of your friends. It sounds like you have more than unit cohesion in your heart. I understand that. But when a number is picked for someone who is a friend or brother in arms, not even you can stop the bullet or shrapnel from doing the damage, it is terrible to see and it does not change the fact they were your friend. I am sure there are people in the V.A. hospital going to therapy because they feel guilty for not seeing that one fucker who killed their friend and did not get killed.

Listen, I cannot relate to you enough on the matter of working under combat because I never had the privilege of serving my country on that level. I was rejected by the armed services even when I tried to volunteer for Desert Storm. I do voluntary analysis work. To be honest, If I were you and did not have to go back, I would say; "that's cool with me." because I think everybody who planned this war sucked on the planning.

I would like to encourage you to step back from going to Iraq and think about the emotional drive you have right now. You are searing at the teeth going crazy over the possibility of your friends getting killed or seriously wounded, and you wanna go kick some ass...Hey the Pentagon made the decision to kick you out, not you.

If you have heart for this issue, then you could still fight from another angle that may yield better results through activism...I want to encourage you to read "The Art Of War" by Sun Tzu...This book is the ultimate manual on how to fight the enemy on your terms and although it was written as a thesis on military strategy it has applications in the World of business and politics...The best way to fight an enemy is not head on as we are doing in Iraq my friend...They are using guerilla tactics while we are an occupying force in high visibility which is adding to the stress on our troops...It is not your fault that anybody close to you died in action, it is the Bush Administration's poor assessment and strategy that is getting people killed...We have a new administration coming in, and the strategy may change to what I have proposed to you already because we cannot keep spending money on this over extension of our military without having a surplus.



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#13534 - 10/27/08 07:21 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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I agree with you on the full frontal assault being the wrong tactic. We have special operations units that are far more effective than a company of bullet catchers. If we would use these in unison with the cia. It would prove to be very successful. I've known men in these units. They have told me about wars fought that the american public know nothing about. Not even knowing we had anything to do with these countries. Seals, Delta, and so on. These men are incredible creatures and highly trained in being an invisible threat. Destroying objectives from the inside out. The way it should be done. Very cool shit. On that note, I will check the book out that you suggested. Thanks.
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#13546 - 10/27/08 09:11 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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Glad I could be of help to you...I do not know exactly where you are in your beliefs or anything, but if you are indeed a follower of the left hand path, you might consider joining a Hermetic military order or non Christian military order such as maybe the Teutonic Knights of Bavaria...As a veteran you are entitled to the rank of Knight since you have served in Chivalry...This would be a most positive way to use your experience and you can learn about doing work for a Non-Governmental Organization associated with the order and perform diplomatic missions on behalf of special causes. Do not be too quick to jump into an order, take your time to investigate their ideology...If you do not have a higher education, perhaps you could go to school at Norwich or West Point and at least acquire your Bachelors or Masters in Military Science or Foreign Services.

You could turn what seems to be a lousy situation into a better chance at doing what you like...It sounds like you have a knack for war, are you an Aries or was your moon in Aries when you were born? Have you ever had a Birth Chart done? You should if you haven't because it can guide you into the next phase of your life and help you understand yourself better.


Edited by BlacKAcRE66 (10/27/08 09:14 PM)
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#13620 - 10/29/08 02:56 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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don't you think you could better serve the cause by forming a grass roots organization and raise the awareness level?


Is there any money in that?

I mean really, I have been asked this question many times my friends and family. I simply ask them what else would I be doing if I were not in the Army. They have no answer. Some people are simply warriors at heart. In other words, we live for war. Any complex society cannot be made up of many such people but few societies will survive for very long without a robust warrior class.

Given that a man must earn a living, I can think of worst ways to put rice in my bowl.

And look, if I am going to have to kill people, Muslims make as good an enemy as any. Honestly, Islam is one of the worlds worst and most dangerous religions.

Besides, there is nothing like asking your 'terp' to translate "I am The Devil, and I am here to do The Devils work." That look of fear and hopelessness on the face of some poor hadji worth the price of admission.

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We need to enhance special forces or SOCOM with the ability to make force multipliers and education. If we revert to that strategy then we can fight on rolled back expenditure while still maintaining a deterrence to evade higher escalations.


Did you see that on Obama's web site or did you come up with that yourself? Just what is your experience with Special Forces?

Never the less, you are sort of on the right track. But the Big Army is full of GO level clowns who will never subordinate themselves to a mere 0-6 SFG commander.

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But before we can even move in that direction their definitely needs to be better accountability in our government.


LMAO! Ok, stop, really, your killing me.......
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#13622 - 10/29/08 03:24 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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Well said Fist. It's soo fuckin' funny. They used to come up to us and ask us for food, so we would give them all our pork M.R.E.'s and they looooved 'em! They would use civilian locals to transport our vehicles to our camp and the drivers and gunners would ride along with them. I busted out a porno mag and these guys were litterally ripping pages out of it in an attempt to get it for themselves. They were like fucking vultures! They, also, would send women to us with food and steal equipment while everyone was distracted. I put my M-4 right in that bitches face and had a friend tell her if I saw her again, EVER, it would be the last. Anyways, sorry for getting off topic, just thought i'de share that. \:\)
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#13703 - 10/31/08 07:31 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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Just what is your experience with Special Forces?

Fist I know that you weren't addressing me on that one but I feel inclined to say something with this.
A BIG PAIN IN THE ASS. SF guys atleast where I am at in Iraq do nothing but leave a trail of bodies for my companies QRF (qucik response force) personally though I am glad they operating inside our area of operation because their ROE and ours are completly different and their work actually shows results which is good.
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#13785 - 11/02/08 02:11 PM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Raziel LaVey]
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I feel sadly left out because I cannot vote in this election. From what I've seen, both candidates have some idea of what they are going to do, with most variable left up to chance, luck, and congress. I support Obama because I am pro choice and I do believe that in case of a presidential death (McCain having a heart attack, Obama being assassinated) Biden would be better than Palin.
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#13786 - 11/02/08 02:50 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Ringmaster]
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They(S.F.)are an impressive bunch. I must say I am quite envious of their positions, not to mention their toys. Do those guys have the sickest fuckin' dune-buggies or what?!
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