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#11097 - 08/29/08 05:28 PM WtF???? Palin
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This is silly.
No experience on foreign policy.
Little experience in politics.
Currently under investigation.
Pro-Oil.
Pro drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Reserve.
Anti-Choice, anti-abortion.

She has an 8 month old child with special needs.
How can she take care of her children (all 5 of them), and help to run a country.

I dont care that she is a woman, but she is not qualified to help run a country.

If Mccain dies, she will be president.
That is very scary.

I'm voting Obama.
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#11098 - 08/29/08 05:58 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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This is clearly a roll of the dice by McCain to grasp flailingly at the disenchanted Hilary constituency. Bad move on his part. I'm still undecided as to what I'm going to do come November, but neither Obama or McCain offer any substance. No matter how they dress it up, it's still just hot air and rhetoric. I don't know if I can yet again cast my vote for the lesser of two evils.
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#11099 - 08/29/08 06:09 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Octavius]
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Well, Biden son is set to go to Iraq before November.
I would think as a father, with a son serving overseas, he would have more desire to end that war than a man who doesnt mind staying there. I dont think Mccain really cares, hes only got maybe 10-15 years left alive anyway....

How can he see the future of this country when he doesn't have much of a future left?

And with Mccains choice, she is a heartbeat away from running this country. That is really scary to me.

If Mccain dies, then maybe in 4+ years, it will be her verses Hillary.

Yes, Obama may not be the best, but hes a Hell of a Lot better than Mccain.
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#11112 - 08/30/08 09:39 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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For what it's worth, both McCain and Palin have boys in Iraq.
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#11113 - 08/30/08 09:40 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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This is silly.


Not at all. It is good strategy. Palin is a true conservative (I think). All of the conservative talk radio shows are alive with pro-Palin coverage. McCain is not know for his conservative politics, and the Republican conservative base is pretty turned off by him. He needs the conservative base if he is to win in Nov.

She is also a woman. A lot of pro-Hillery women feel snubbed by the Dem's. Hillary was suppose to have a coronation. And then, from out of nowhere, this black boy ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yo09Rx9whWs) ran up and stole ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvYICKJ3TI ) her nomination. You also have to understand the conflicted relationship most liberal women have with black men ( http://www.youtube.com/results?search_qu...oq=white+women+ ). Most liberal white women have had sex with a black man just prove they were 'open minded.' However, in the end they found that black men actually have little respect for them and they end up feeling conflicted, ripped off, and alone. Your typical female Hillary supporter falls into this category. Many female Hillery supporters are now at least looking at McCain. This is identity politics - nothing more.

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No experience on foreign policy.


It is funny that you should say that. Firstly, did you know this is a Dem talking point? In other words, they actually have grass roots classes and email lists that puts this exact message out to the party faithful. Don't believe me? Google “democratic talking points.” The party faithful (INGSOC party mems) are suppose to repeat these over and over again to their friends and family until it becomes part of the collective consciousness. But, what is funny about this statement is that the same could be said for Obama, and he is running for President! At the very least, Palin is the Governor of Alaska. Her two closest neighbors are Canada and Russia. She is in charge of the AK National Guard and Alaska is home to several military activities. I suspect she does know what is going on in the world around her. At the very least, she understands how the military works. Obama can't say as much and neither can Biden.


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Currently under investigation.


Again, another democratic talking point. Google it. If we apply our critical thinking skills, we would ask “under investigation for what?”. Palin came to politics as a reformer. She came to Alaskan politics sort of accidentally through other civic involvement. When she ran for Gov, she promised to root out decades of corruption and end the 'good old boy' way of doing business in Alaska. As it happened, her ex-brother-in-law was an AK state trooper. My read of the situation is that he was a product of the old corrupt Alaskan system. As a state trooper he seems to have thought he was above the law. Like most cops of his ilk he was also a childish asshole who was use to getting his way. During Palin's sisters divorce, it came to Palin's attention that this trooper would drink on duty and sleep in his car, and according to court documents, threatened to taser Palin's nephew. Palin wanted him fired but the good old boys at the Public Safety Administration refused to fire him in the grand tradition of protecting their own. So, Palin did the next logical thing, she asked the head of the Public Safety Administration for his resignation. His response was to launch an investigation on her and her family regarding the whole affair.

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Pro-Oil. Pro drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Reserve.


I don't care what your politics are. Unless you are living in like the Unibomber, you are pro-oil. Oil is the engine that drives modernity. The spice must flow.

The sad state of the economy is directly related to the high price of oil. Right now, oil returns a 30 units of work for every 1 unit of energy put into producing it. There is no replacement, right now, for it. And we have problems right now.

Drilling for new oil will have the immediate result of lowing the speculative price oil traded on the exchanges.

As for ANWR...

The whole of ANWR is 19 million acres of harsh wilderness that would kill your average 'environmentalist' in a North Face jacket. Of this, only the Costal Plain area is being considered for oil exploration. The Costal Plain area is 1.5 million acres of bleak harsh arctic tundra. Of this 1.5 million acers, only about 2000 acres would be considered for oil exploration. This 'pro-oil' film pretty well states the case: http://www.anwr.org/flash.htm

As an aside, I will never understand how the Left thinks they have a monopoly on environmental stewardship. You average 'environmentalist' has scarcely spent any time living in nature. Palin for her part, is an avid outdoorswoman. She hunts and likes to go ice fishing and camping. I am not sure Obama even knows how to bait a hook or start a camp fire.

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Anti-Choice, anti-abortion.


Roe vs. Wade is wildly misunderstood. The decision did not legalize abortion per se. What it did was affirm doctor-patient confidentiality and as such, a doctor cannot be held criminally liable for preforming a consensual medical procedure.

Presently, what is at issue is who will appoint the next round of Justices to the SCOTUS. At least two are most likely going to leave the bench in the next 4-8 years. For Roe vs. Wade to be overturned, it must first go back in front of the court. This is no mean feat. Even if such a case was successfully appealed all the way up to the SCOTUS. The Court would then have to agree to hear the case. Again, harder than it sounds. At this point, even if the Court did overturn Roe, it would do so only as a States Rights issue. What this means, is that individual states and their medical licensing boards would then have to rule on what is medically permissible. What this means is that we would end up with a patch work of abortion laws much like we have a patchwork of gun laws.

Both sides use the abortion issue as a red herring to stir up the base. Again we need to apply our critical thinking skills. The next time someone tells you that so-and-so plans to overturn Roe vs. Wade, ask them just how this would come about.

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How can she take care of her children (all 5 of them), and help to run a country.


Have you ever read the life and times of Theodore Roosevelt? If you get a chance, read “Theodore Rex.” He was also a radical reformer that shook up the status quo. He also had five children. By most accounts, he was a very involved father and one of the best Presidents in history. All the same, Palin has a 90% popularity rating in Alaska – five kids and all, so she must be doing something right. In contrast, Bush has a popularity rating in the low twenties with all of congress (which is controlled by democrats) enjoying a popularity rating in the low teens to single digits.

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If Mccain dies, she will be president.


We would only be so lucky. I wish she were running for President.


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I'm voting Obama.


Why? What is the compelling reason to vote for Obama? At the very least you could write in Ron Paul or vote for the Libertarian. Obama and his kind are the worst sort of collectivists. Everything I need to know about Obama I read in Orwell's “Animal Farm.”

It has been said that you can judge a man by the company he keeps. In my experience this is true. Obama's life long friends are varying sorts of America haters.

Obama is an empty suit. He has no new ideas. He simply has the speaking style of a black preacher, and as such, he sells the snake oil of hope. Oh Lordy Lord, Bother Obama is gonna' leads us to to the promise land! Hallelujah! Now pass the plate because we have taxes to raise!

Screw that.
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#11115 - 08/31/08 12:11 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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Really, I didnt know mccain had a son in iraq.
Her son is going in oct, Biden son is going in nov.

Yes, she may be a conservative and likes to eat moose that she has killed. She is governor less than 2 years.

Oh, yes, her neighbors in the great white north are Canada, and Russia. I can see Canada invading us, walking thru the woods, and Russia crossing the land bridge to come and get us.

Okay, so some white chicks date/screw black guys to see what its like. Like white guys dont screw anything that doesnt move, and well, some screw mud too.

Everybody goes thru shit, doesnt trust exs. The relationship failed on some level and someone gets hurt. Boo Hooo if women vote this election based on who they fucked its as bad as voting for who you want to have a beer with.

Biden has dealt with foreign policy, and has experience. Hes been involved in washington since the 1970's. Yes, hes been around, does that make him and insider, a member of the ole boys club. I dont know, maybe, but at least he knows the players on the world stage and what the score in the game is. Look up his record.

Yes, they both have kids. The point was, Biden's are grown up and her youngest was born in april (?), 4 months ago, and with down syndrome. Already she had her daughter hold the kid at the announcement. How can she focus on the country when she has to still maybe breast feed and figure out how to take care of her kid for the rest of its life?

Her exbrother in law and sister go thru a messy divorce. She tried to get him fired. Thats it. If she is as much as a conservatives and pro-death penality person as she says she is, she did it for her sister. Wouldn't you?

Yeah, yeah, the spice must flow, but there must be more input into other sources.

Actually, you made my point with artic drilling. Its a small area, not much will come out, and it wont make a dent in the problem. At most, 2-3%, and at what cost. Better chances with off shore drilling away from hurricain pathways.

Oh, my. I can hunt, shoot a gun, put up a tent,fish, and I can even fix you if you get cut open. I ran for president in junior high school, am I qualified to president too? After all, I live in nyc, have friends I know in most major countries, and can pick up languages when I feel like it. I'm not an exbeauty queen but I'm an ex Dominatrix so I know how to put power brokers in their place. Maybe Mccain should have tapped me, Regean did send me a christmas card when he was president.

The point is, I dont want her or mccain.
A vote for anyone other obama wont matter.
I dont want another 4 years of bushism.

I want something different. Sometimes you have to take a chance and believe that something can be different. You have to do something that maybe sounds not like the best thing, but it is the right thing to do.

I dont expect to change your mind, but look at your kids, at your sons. Mccain expects to be in Iraq for another 100 years, long after hes dead, your sons are his future soliders. Do you want that for your kids. I dont.

I want a future for this country, odds are Mccain wont be alive in 15 years to see it. I want someone who sees the possibilites of what can happen with change, not someone afraid of it.

Do what you will, vote for whom you choose, but please make your vote count.

Morgan
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#11122 - 08/31/08 01:22 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
but please make your vote count.

Can you explain how that is possible with the current electoral process... It is the very reason I gave up on politics back in 4th grade...

Peace

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#11123 - 08/31/08 05:17 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: ta2zz]
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Okay fine, I'll use simple words.

In regards to the presidential election:

Yes, we don't vote directly for the canidate.
Yes, all we do is vote to tell people in the electoral college how to vote.

Thats why we get a popular vote, and the electoral vote.
If the major voice voting isn't loud enough, it doesn't get heard or listened to.

Thats one reason why Gore lost, Nadar was a spoiler, and Bush got Florida from his brother. (in a nutshell)

If you dont vote, and try, then you lose the right to bitch and deserve whatever happens.

As I said before, I want someone who sees the possibilites of what can happen with change, not someone afraid of it.

Do what you will, vote for whom you choose, but please make your vote count.

Do something that might actually make a difference.
Vote.

Morgan

ps.
jesus f christ, the end of the world is fucking coming.
I'm pushing for a black pres.
I defended xitans right to pray to mary to a born again.
and so far this weekend, I didnt get drunk and do anything stupid.
All I need to do is win the lottery, and its official.
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#11124 - 08/31/08 05:57 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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Ditto. If McCain expires mid-term (which is possible) then we'll have an unqualified mother-of-five running the oval office. Ironically, though, she has more actual experience than McCain... Obama won't be the messiah of change his campaign pomps him up to be, but is certainly the lesser evil.

All maddening politics aside, I think we've all had our fill of dumpy old white guys going on their nonstop political joyride.
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#11132 - 09/01/08 03:20 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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I agree here, if you vote, the least you can do is try to have your vote have some impact. In a bi-party system like you guys got, and it sure ain't making me jealous, it is only possible if you vote for A or B.

The European media, with their love for the democrats, make it look as if Obama has little competition but it wouldn't surprise me if McCain will win this one. I don't like both of them too much but think that Obama might be the better choice for the future of the USA. If not only to try and give them some credit again in the rest of the world.

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#11164 - 09/02/08 08:18 PM Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Okay fine, I'll use simple words.

Gee for lil ole me? Thanks a bunch…

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
In regards to the presidential election:
Yes, we don't vote directly for the canidate.
Yes, all we do is vote to tell people in the electoral college how to vote.

It has been a long time since I bothered myself with this so I may be rusty… The way I remember being taught about this was there are a certain number of electoral votes per state… Larger states having a larger number… By voting you are allowing the electoral voters the right to cast their vote… Not in any way telling them how to or whom to vote for…

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Thats why we get a popular vote, and the electoral vote.
If the major voice voting isn't loud enough, it doesn't get heard or listened to. Thats one reason why Gore lost, Nadar was a spoiler, and Bush got Florida from his brother. (in a nutshell)

The only reason was simply the electoral vote counts and the popular vote is nothing but a façade to make you think your voice counts… The mainstream media was covering the Florida recounts and botched election… How much louder does one need to speak to be heard?

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
If you dont vote, and try, then you lose the right to bitch and deserve whatever happens.

As it was luck that I was born here and not some backwater third world country, I will leave it up to luck to keep things in order for my lifetime… Prayer and hope mean little to me…

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
As I said before, I want someone who sees the possibilites of what can happen with change, not someone afraid of it.

Why is congress ignoring the facts behind the Federal Reserve? Nobody running for president will make any bit of a difference or change… They are but puppets… Change is all around us… People are waking up to this bullshit… But what can you do but hope things will be different?

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Do what you will, vote for whom you choose, but please make your vote count.
Do something that might actually make a difference.
Vote.

Right here your doubt is visible…

Face it simply put your vote really doesn’t matter the money mongers will get their way and there is nothing you or I can really do about it but do what we do and survive… Bush getting the Whitehouse proved that… The system is flawed to the advantage of those with old money and not to our advantage? Voting is simply another way to make the public feel like they are in control when in actuality it is just another control to keep everyone in check…

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Simple enough for a 4th grader to understand…
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#11166 - 09/02/08 08:29 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I agree here, if you vote, the least you can do is try to have your vote have some impact.

There are those trying to change the way the electoral system works... Therein lies the possibility of change...

I'm not betting on it happening in my lifetime... I am a do or die type of person... I try on shoes, and clothes... I change and do things I am capable of...

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#11174 - 09/03/08 02:38 AM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: ta2zz]
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"Okay fine, I'll use simple words.
Gee for lil ole me? Thanks a bunch…"

lol. come on you know what I mean.

"The only reason was simply the electoral vote counts and the popular vote is nothing but a façade to make you think your voice counts… The mainstream media was covering the Florida recounts and botched election… How much louder does one need to speak to be heard?"

Yes, all true. How much louder, not sure, but I think if it happens again there will be big problems. I dont think the bread and circuses will help this time. There mostly likey will be a rebellion and cesar will fall.

Honestly, this country is running out of Luck.


"Right here your doubt is visible…
Face it simply put your vote really doesn’t matter the money mongers will get their way and there is nothing you or I can really do about it but do what we do and survive… Bush getting the Whitehouse proved that… The system is flawed to the advantage of those with old money and not to our advantage? Voting is simply another way to make the public feel like they are in control when in actuality it is just another control to keep everyone in check…"

Look, its either vote and try or just do nothing.
I am not happy doing nothing. I really dont want her in there.
I got a bad feeling that Mccain might get in and then this country is finished.

Iraq thinks we want out and etc thinks we want out.
If this country elects that warmongering old man, we are screwed. He already said we are not leaving, the stupid attacks will start up and more stuff in the USA will get bombed cause they got nothing to lose anymore cause we are sitting in their front and backyard.


I wish we could just do a big DO_OVER for the whole election choices. I don't like them all, but Obama is the better choice.
As fucked as that sounds.

Last I heard she thinks God talks to her, and God wants Alaska to get a pipeline. Didn't Mccain have her vetted? Maybe the GOP really doesn't want Mccain in office, and she is there to make sure he doesn't get in? Would the GOP throw this election just to make sure Mccain doesn't get in?

Morgan
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#11224 - 09/05/08 09:02 AM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Morgan]
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Also Pro-Gun and a lifetime member of the NRA which puts a huge target on her back that is seen and recognized by the "radical" Dems who seem to make up less than %15 of their crew- only time will tell.

Edited by Cody (09/05/08 09:03 AM)
Edit Reason: lowercased the r in radical, felt it was too loud.

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#11235 - 09/05/08 10:25 PM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Cody]
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Why is Palin so popular? All she is to me is a good-looking older woman reciting speeches from Bush's speechwriter.

She didn't impress me one bit.

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#11348 - 09/10/08 10:34 AM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Morgan]
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When I checked out all the fuzz about Palin a while back, 'they can't be serious' was the first thing that came to my mind.
She's nothing but a vote-puller; a republican Hillary. But a version I wouldn't want to have near me. Since Hillary threw the towel, there are a lot of desperate women out there that still want pussy in the higher ranks.

What amazes me most is that people actually buy this. Americans are stupid is what I'd want to say but thinking about it, all over the world people have become as stupid. Politics seems to have degraded to selling a product to the mass and after that, plainly ignore them and carry on with an own agenda. You can do whatever you want nowadays, it doesn't matter. Next election they mesmerize the mass again and the cattle does what is desired.

One day the bills of this era have to be paid. Guess who's gonna pay them?

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#11427 - 09/12/08 02:10 PM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Diavolo]
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Yes my reaction was also what the fuck, but then i sat down and it hit me... How ingenius of him, he is minipulating the fuck out of the American people using their wants to his advantage. Granted she may not have the views that most people want in power BUT it is not really her word that matters if he makes office. To me it's looking like he is just using her to obtain a goal if he dies oh well atleast he did what he wanted. It'd be something that I would do because when I die what do I care about what happens right?
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#11459 - 09/14/08 10:14 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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No experience on foreign policy.
Little experience in politics.
Currently under investigation.
Pro-Oil.
Pro drilling in the Artic National Wildlife Reserve.
Anti-Choice, anti-abortion.


who gives a shit about any of that - your not voting on palin - your voting on alaska - as a new direction for this country - its all about change - palin reformed this state - gave the states profits to the people - i just got my check - alaska is not what you think - you think its all mooses and snow - its the backbone of this country - militarily - its like roswell here - but you wouldnt know that - living in new york i would expect you to know that our biggest problem is the terrorists - alaska is the future - its not polluted with terrorism imigration housing or health care - its a safe haven for all satanists and i invite all to come here - it started in new york but its gonna end here in alaska - buy voting for mcain your voting for security
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#11462 - 09/14/08 09:07 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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(This is a generalized reply and not necessarily for Morgan)

I agree that neither candidate impress me. I say that based on their voting records in the past. I don't listen to the speeches because they are written by someone else and involve more psychodrama than any ritual I've ever thrown. (Well almost)

McCain is a decent guy I think. I think he means what he says and aside from the occasional slip of the tongue he says what he means. I feel that he would make a great neighbor or fishing partner but I would sooner vote for Bush that have him as president.

Obama, as Octavious had stated, is all hot air. I realize that this means nothing to anyone else but how can I as a rational adult put any faith in a man who votes to send hundreds of thousands of dollars of military aid to Israel while we have so much shit going on here that needs attention. Obama does not represent change, he represents wars in places no one is paying attention to so it slips under the radar of the average leftist who should be paying attention.

This is what I liked about Ron Paul he was all about shutting down our "extra curricular" activities around the world and focusing on the issues right here in our own country. But oh well, he's out.

But I will pose is to this group of minds. Why is Obama different really? He backs other country's wars. He gets them money and bullets to fight with. He was against offshore drilling now his... open to the thought. He wants the troops out of Iraq right now! Or.. Maybe just kinda soon.

As I just wrote to my friend who got absolutely shit on at a dinner party not so long ago for not being a Obama fanatic, it isn't necessarily the man I dislike (although I don't agree with his politics) it is his supporters I can't stand.

OBAMA!!!!! They shout but when I ask them why they just tell me the same shit you could read off a bumper sticker. "Because it's time for a change." I don't see the change. Here is another slick talking MF who gets money from lobbyists to back their interests. Let me say that again, THEIR INTERESTS.

Fist or anyone else what happens to the U.S. if Israel has to fight the Palestinians on their own? I think nothing. But again I'm no political analyst so I'm asking.

Perhaps keeping battle stations around the world and keeping certain strategic places under the gun may maintain the illusion of a secure financial system but isn't that kind of the long way around?

Thanks all.
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#11467 - 09/15/08 07:03 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: delusion]
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Perhaps keeping battle stations around the world and keeping certain strategic places under the gun may maintain the illusion of a secure financial system but isn't that kind of the long way around?


In general, I tend to be a pro-US isolationist and protectionist. However, unless we abandon 'globalism' and 'free trade' then we will have to act as an imperial power.

Neither candidate is interested in returning our tax base to a system of tariffs as is mandated by the Constitution. Even Obama, for all of his hot air about keeping jobs in America, will not abandon globalism and the 'prison planet' doctrine.

The worst thing we could do is act as an incompetent empire. One of Bush's biggest problems is that he is acting like an Emperor but doesn't realize that he is actually running and empire.
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#11472 - 09/15/08 11:10 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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The worst thing we could do is act as an incompetent empire. One of Bush's biggest problems is that he is acting like an Emperor but doesn't realize that he is actually running and empire.

I don't want to be rude or something but that already is a view most people in Europe/Russia/China have of America.
I don't blame it on the people who live there, I just blame it on the incompetent persons who are leading the country. If your next president doesn't invest more money into the army and more in scientifique research, education and perhaps makes some sort money pot that goes towards the people helping them with paying medical things etc, I believe America really can make huge progresses and become far more powerfull then it is now.
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#11480 - 09/15/08 08:19 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Dimitri]
Morgan Offline
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We are screwed.

At this point, it seems people went from voting for someone to drink with to voting for someone they want to fuck.

They both suck, neither are who I wanted, and I dont think at this point things are going to change.

Alaska is the butt fuck of this country. Its out there, pretty but no one really want to live there. Its too fucking cold. You think Alaska is a terrorist spot target, send me whatever you are smoking... Nyc, Washington, Los Angeles, Dallas, are all bigger targets than alaska.

Dont matter, that chickie gonna help to kill country even more.
Obama is/was the lesser of 2 stupid evils.
I hoped for a change, but after all the stupidity of the last week in politics, I dont see it happening.

Morgan
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#11509 - 09/16/08 10:44 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
You think Alaska is a terrorist spot target, send me whatever you are smoking... Nyc, Washington, Los Angeles, Dallas, are all bigger targets than alaska.


Morgan


I apologize for interfering, but that's pretty much what he said about Alaska. That they don't have the terrorist problem... The thing just caught my eye and I couldn't help my self \:\)

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#11522 - 09/16/08 05:41 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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One the great things about this race is the fantastic political theater.

The Left is insane about the Palin. The race is not Obama vs. McCain but rather Obama vs. Palin. The great source of anxiety is that Palin will stand to be the next President. And, she would have gotten there without the usually Leftist clap-trap like 'affirmative action' or the 'feminist movement.' Palin is pro-gun, pro-family, and pro-America - everything the Left is against!

Now, I would like to make a bet with committee here. Win or lose, after the election you will have riots in several cities with large black populations.
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#11533 - 09/17/08 01:14 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
Morgan Offline
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I think we will have riots no matter what.

One if he wins, one if he loses.
and...
One big one if the GOP trys to pull a Florida again.

I dont like her, but middle america is dumb enough to vote for her due to the red-neck factor.
She's purty, shoots, and likes to fuck.

We're screwed.....

Morgan
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#11534 - 09/17/08 04:03 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
Diavolo Offline
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It's amazing yeah how all are only watching the show and not paying attention to reality.

The war in the Middle East, no matter if it is justified or not, is costing a fortune, the financial sector is taking a dive; the 85 billion inserted into AIG aren't even a guarentee for it not collapsing and maybe pushing more and more towards a recession. The dollar is worth diddly-shit compared to a decade ago.

I can't imagine life has become any cheaper in the last 8th years for you guys. It sure didn't here, especially when looking at gas prices.

And still, all are watching the hockey-mom.

It's truly amazing.

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#11540 - 09/17/08 11:30 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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Registered: 06/21/08
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Loc: Toledo, OH
What are you doing on your computer? Get in the kitchen, where you belong and make me some eggs!

If you think that Palin needs to be at home taking care of her kids, and Obama does not, then you are sexist and should be treated like a battered housewife. Why is it okay for a MAN to campaign without his kids, but when a woman does it, shes neglecting her responsibilities?

Where is Obama's foreign policy experience? He doesn't even have 150 DAYS of experience as a senator! She is more qualified then him, and SHES NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT. Obama is, so put him under the microscope.

Anti-Choice? No, she is not. Yes she is against abortion in her beliefs. BUT, if you listen to her she states that she would NOT BAN IT. She is not going to force her personal beliefs about it being murder on your body, so you can still have unprotected sex and kill your unborn babies all you want.

Pro-Drilling? FUCK YEAH!!!

PALIN'08

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#11544 - 09/17/08 04:24 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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I pretty much agree with everything Morgan has said here so I am going to bow out of the thread at least on those points but I did see something I wanted to comment on.

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Palin is pro-gun, pro-family, and pro-America - everything the Left is against!


What caught my eye was this dear fistula. I am with you on the gun thing the left would take away our guns today given the opportunity. But I don't see how the left is anti-family. If what you are talking about is abortion then I might agree to a point excluding that wording. It's a bit abstract don't you think. Being pro- choice = being anti-family is like saying I'm anti-education because I'm pro-choice about what book you decide to read. Other then the abortion thing how exactly is the left anti-family?

I happen to know a bunch of leftist and all I ever hear is pro -freedom talk in the form of the right to eat better, the right to live cleaner. Now maybe the hippies I know are different from the hippies you know but based on my experience I just can't make the connection between the left and "anti-family", can you help me with that please?

Also how is the left "anti-America"? I have sifted through every documentary and piece of news footage that I could (and can) and have yet to see anyone say they were anti-America. I think this may be another one of your abstract statement, no?
I can see them being anti-American in the sense that our countries leadership is crooked and therefore the country as a whole is not going in a great direction, which I think we could all agree with in a general way. But that does not make a person anti-American. I could spin that right back at you by asking if I don't like the way you drive does that make me "anti-Buick", clearly it does not.

I think that the sentiment behind the anti-American pigeon hold is that dissent is a bad thing. Sort of a "you're either with us or against us" mentality. It's sad that that little snibbit from Bush's speech has become the backbone of that concept of people being un-American if they disagree.

I just wanted some clarification on those items.

Delusion

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#11549 - 09/17/08 08:16 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Morgan Offline
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Your Funny.......

"What are you doing on your computer? Get in the kitchen, where you belong and make me some eggs!......be treated like a battered housewife"

First you have to get a job, and be a man before anyone cooks for you. Besides, my balls are bigger than yours, and if anyone goes to hit me out of line, they are getting hit right back.
Also, for me to stay in the kitchen you had better make a lot of money because I treat myself well, and the sex better be great too.

Palin's kid is 3 months old and breast feeding and handicapped.

"blah, blah, more experienced"
get a grip, hockey mom beauty queen isn't more experienced. There are more people living in my city than in her whole state. And as for when she was mayor with 4,ooo people, well I have half of that many just on my friends list. She has no real qualifications no matter how much you yell and try to belittle me or the argument.

"She is not going to force her personal beliefs about it being murder on your body, so you can still have unprotected sex and kill your unborn babies all you want."

Want to bet?
AS for my sex life and choices, its really none of your business.
AND
As a Satanist, what the FUCK I CHOOSE TO DO IS MY CHOICE.
Your not my lover, bedmate, partner or friend, what I do with my body is none of your damn business.
Go back to jerking off to my photos and websites.

AS for drilling in the NWP, its pointless. It won't supply 2% of what the country need. Better option is off shore drilling.

Honestly, aside from being from Alaska where you live. What policies that she backs will make your life better? What things that she says will happen will really make your life better?

Damn........
As a Satanist, please choose to think.....

Morgan
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#11550 - 09/17/08 09:49 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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Loc: Toledo, OH
Not al1 oil refinery workers live in Alaska, I happen to reside in Ohio. And were not all men either.

Alaska has enough oil to provide us over 100 years, and would only effect less then half of one percent of their land.

I also choose to think. I choose to not live in a socialist nation.


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#11551 - 09/17/08 10:27 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Nemesis Offline
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Registered: 09/01/07
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Where is Obama's foreign policy experience? He doesn't even have 150 DAYS of experience as a senator!


After a primary victory in March 2004, Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in July 2004. He was elected to the Senate in November 2004 with 70% of the vote.

Obama was elected to the Illinois Senate in 1996, succeeding State Senator Alice Palmer as Senator from the Illinois' 13th District, which then spanned Chicago South Side neighborhoods from Hyde Park-Kenwood south to South Shore and west to Chicago Lawn

Obama was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998, and again in 2002.

In January 2003, Obama became chairman of the Illinois Senate's Health and Human Services Committee when Democrats, after a decade in the minority, regained a majority.

Obama held assignments on the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works and Veterans' Affairs through December 2006.

In January 2007, he left the Environment and Public Works committee and took additional assignments with Health, Education, Labor and Pensions and Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.

As a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Obama has made official trips to Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Central Asia and Africa.


Total days of experience: 4,380

VS.

In 1984, Palin won the Miss Wasilla Pageant beauty contest, then finished third (second runner-up) in the Miss Alaska pageant. In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV in Anchorage, Alaska, and for the Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman as a sports reporter.

Sarah Palin was elected twice (1992 and 1995) to the city council of Wasilla.

She ran for Wasilla city council in 1992...She won 530 votes to John Hartrick’s 310.

After serving on the city council for three years, she ran for reelection against R’nita Rogers in 1995.

Palin did not complete her second term on the city council because she ran for mayor in 1996.

Palin served two terms (1996–2002) as mayor of Wasilla. At the conclusion of Palin's tenure as mayor in 2002, the town had about 6,300 residents,and it is now the fifth largest population center in the state.

She was elected governor in 2006.

She's only had a passport for a year, and that was for travel to Kuwait and Germany to visit Alaska National Guard troops. A brief stopover in Shannon, Ireland for jet refueling rounds out her international travel. The McCain campaign has said Palin may have visited Mexico on a personal trip, but they're not sure.


Total days of experience: 5,840

Pretty fucking close, his 12 years to her 16, so don't give me that "150 days of experience" bullshit.

In summary, Palin stuck to local positions such as serving on the city council for less than 4 years. Obama started out in the senate in 1996, served on several large committees, and has traveled abroad on a regular basis. Just because people living in Miami can see Cuba (they can't--that's besides the point), doesn't make them experts on foreign relations.

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If you think that Palin needs to be at home taking care of her kids, and Obama does not, then you are sexist and should be treated like a battered housewife. Why is it okay for a MAN to campaign without his kids, but when a woman does it, shes neglecting her responsibilities?


Obama's two daughters are not nursing, nor do they have a birth defect their parents have to contend with. It's an issue no matter whether you think it's appropriate or not.
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#11568 - 09/18/08 11:42 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
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as far as the experience, I was referring to actual days of work in the US Senate. Obama spent 143 days that he actually went into work. McCain spent more time then that as a POW. And again, why is he being compared to Palin? Is she running for president? McCain is perfectly healthy, have you seen his mother? He wont have any problems making it the next 4 or 8 years.
But since it seems to be the trend here,

Executive experience

Obama: Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of his campaign staff and a vast crowd of traveling journalists

Palin:Makes executive decisions every day that affect the lives of 500,000 people in her state, and that impact crucial issues of national economic interest such as the supply and cost of energy to the United States.

Foreign Relations experience

Obama:Chaired Senate subcommittee on Europe but never called it into session;once gave a speech to 200,000 screaming Germans

Palin:Governor of state that borders two foreign countries (Canada and Russia)

Guns

Obama:Worked to pass legislation in Illinois that would prevent all law-abiding citizens from owning firearms

Palin:Lifetime member of NRA and avid hunter;video can be found on YouTube of Palin firing an M4 at a military firing range

About the 'special needs baby'. He is getting everything he needs from his father. he does not NEED to be breastfed everytime he eats. Have you ever taken care of a down syndrome baby? They are actually really easy to care for as infants. and lie you said, it is not an issue, I was responding to someones else's sexist comments.

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#11572 - 09/18/08 02:12 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
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I smell a conspiracy within our new member Conspiracy's identity...something smells familiar. Perhaps he's voting Ron Paul?
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#11581 - 09/18/08 08:39 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Octavius]
Nemesis Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Octavius
I smell a conspiracy within our new member Conspiracy's identity...something smells familiar. Perhaps he's voting Ron Paul?


Perhaps these are two very similar individuals in the same city, who might both be looking for a Satanic housekeeper, and who indulge in over-the-top conspiracy theories. Surely, there is no connection between the two!
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#11589 - 09/18/08 09:14 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
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Well good at least it is not just me...

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#11590 - 09/18/08 09:26 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Nemesis Offline
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The media are linking Palin and Obama together because they're young, popular and good-looking. They are not the usual "old white guy" that we've been used to since the inception of this country (except for Kennedy--but he was still white). Palin rallies the evangelical conservatives that so worry the rational-minded of the country, and threaten to undo all of the progress we've made in the last quarter-century in terms of science and making this country less concerned with medieval mentalities. Her words are as empty as Obama's, despite her having more "experience". McCain lets her do much of the talking, knowing that many people that come to his speeches are only there to see her.

As far as experience in foreign relations goes, Obama has taken several long trips as a lawmaker—through Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa.

The extent of Palin's travel includes visiting troops in Kuwait in 2005, prior to which she didn't even have a passport, troops again in Germany, and a layover in Ireland. Oh, and her personal trip to Mexico for vacation. She has never actually met a head of state. The fact that Alaska borders a country that is so much like us in culture, world view and language, doesn't do her much credit. That's like saying you're down with the Canuks because you live near the US/Canada border in Michigan, and you and your neighbors have dinner at each others' houses. That whole "I can see Russia!" line she touts again as "experience" is a bunch of shit. As I said before, just because you can see across the border doesn't mean you have a clue as to what's going on.

Bush was governor of Texas for 6 years, and wow! Look at the awesome job he's done thus far. Do you deny that Cheney has no influence on this nation and it's policies and economic situation? Granted, he's not going to be running the country a(officially, at least), but he does have the President's ear. Factoring the running mate with the candidate is a MUST when deciding who to vote for.

Obama has shifted his position on gun control, compared to his virulent anti-gun stance back in 1998:

Ok for states & cities to determine local gun laws. (Apr 2008)

FactCheck: Yes, Obama endorsed Illinois handgun ban. (Apr 2008)
(doesn't mean that he's going to be able to effect that kind of change when he's president--that's usually left to Congress).

Respect 2nd Amendment, but local gun bans ok. (Feb 2008)

Provide some common-sense enforcement on gun licensing. (Jan 2008)

While I'm thrilled that Palin is a long-time supporter of 2nd Amendment rights, it still doesn't balance out her lack of qualifications. Now, if McCain had picked Bobby Jindal, Gov. of Louisiana, he would have a solid ticket. Jindal is more "rounded out" experience-wise, having a much more diversified resume than Palin. I still wouldn't vote for them, becaus Jindal is a proponent of the Patriot Act, teaching intelligent design in public schools, banning flag burning, anti-abortion and opposes embryonic stem cell research. I do support his "sex offender chemical castration" proposal, but there are just too many things that could go wrong with that if put into effect.
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#11593 - 09/18/08 10:04 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
Conspiracy Offline
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Registered: 06/21/08
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Funny... I realized right away who you were talking about... and found him on your members map. I'll just say, you are lucky you only have to put up with him online.

As for my Nemesis; I have to respect your perspective, especially since you write so well.
I agree with you about Jindal, he would have been the better 'man' for the job, but Palin is giving people a reason to vote. She's someone all of the moms can relate to. She left her campaign trail last week to attend.... a PTA meeting. Im sure that you do not have kids in school, or you would understand. Most of the moms at my kids school are nuts about her. And a lot of moms vote.

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#11598 - 09/18/08 11:00 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Conspiracy]
Morgan Offline
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Fine that last one jumping my ass was satanas, I thought you were him under a brand new name. Yes, not all oil workers live in Alaska, duh!!, some live down south near the gulf of mexico.

"And were not all men either"
So your a chick now?

It doesnt have that much oil.
Your wrong.


You live in America, its getting more and more socialist with government buyout of failing companies. We are in the midst of the beginning of a depression. The country is in a big ass hole. We owe money to everyone, and keep printng more and more so the dollar gets further devalued. Most regulations and laws have been lobbied away by money. This country is losing the middle class, and heading towards 2 classes, 1 very rich and 1 poor. Most of the world hates us, adn we are fighting someone else war.

We need a big ass change, not 4 more years of gop failed leadership. Mccain was a pow and had his right to choose taken away by the jailer in the hanoi hilton. Now he feels no remorse about taking away someone else right to choose what to do with their body. I used to like Mccain, but 8 years ago was his time, not now. In those 8 years he sold out and is willing to do whatever it takes to get to the whitehouse at any cost.

Obama is not a saint, hes not hitler, hes just a man. A man with a different vision than yours. So if you dont like him, dont vote for him.
BUT
making fucked up posters like you did doesnt change the facts.
All it does is make you look stupid and petty.

I really feel bad for you.

see ya in hell,
Morgan
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#11652 - 09/20/08 10:52 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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Registered: 09/08/07
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With all due respect to women. I hope those who don't care about politics, and haven't ever cared about politics, don't decide to come out of the woodwork all of a sudden and vote just because she's a girl. I know a lot of ladies who could care less about issues. Now all of a sudden they care. That's just obserd.

McCain would have been a good pick in 2000. We have the best economy in Arizona. However now he's just too damn old. He is out of touch. Im tired of these old geezers running things. At least Obama is young and hungry. He might actually do some work.
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#11748 - 09/22/08 08:31 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Asmodeus Xaxam]
Nemesis Offline
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From CNN, not really new news, but sheds yet another light on the VP candidate:

Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's hometown required women to pay for their own rape examinations while she was mayor, a practice her police chief fought to keep as late as 2000.

For years, Alaska has had the worst record of any state in rape and in murder of women by men. The rape rate in Alaska is 2.5 times the national average.

During the time Palin was mayor of Wasilla, her city was not the only one in Alaska charging rape victims. Experts testified before the Legislature that in a handful of small cities across Alaska, law enforcement agencies were charging victims or their insurance "more than sporadically."


I mean, the woman thinks rape victims should not be allowed to abort fetuses conceived by the rapist, so why is it no surprise she could care less about charging a rape victim for these kits?
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#11753 - 09/22/08 10:39 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Nemesis]
Munki1 Offline
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Registered: 09/15/08
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I think Obama sucks. Way too leftist. Same goes for Biden.

I don't like McCain either. He'll sell his principals to the highest bidder like most polititians.

I don't like alot about Palin, but I do like the fact that she hasn't been corrupted by politics as thoroughly as the other three.

I'll probobly vote for Barr, the libertarian. Yes I know he won't win. But if he did higher than expected in a few states it could bring them some attention. Maybe they'd do better next time. But none of that is likely to happen.

You will get a bigger, more socialist (more French-like) government and higher taxes no matter who you vote for. Things are pretty bad right now and there is NO relief in sight.

Since I view the 2nd amendment as the one that safeguards all the others, I may vote for McCain since he's less likely to attempt to put more restrictions on guns for the law-abiding.

Munki

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#11768 - 09/23/08 12:18 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Munki1]
Cody Offline
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Registered: 09/16/07
Posts: 72
I'd say an intelligent voter would consult the numerous .Gov or .edu sites available to them to see if it was compatible with their current ideals and vote accordingly within their current system.
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#11856 - 09/25/08 09:11 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Cody]
Jaguar Offline
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Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 24
Loc: OR, Multnomah
I am a little confused after 8 years of Bush and many Satanists for McCaine...how can those of you not question your political views as you have questioned your Philosophical/Religious beliefs?

What is McCaines Economic Policies? Still waiting to hear him share this. I think this is vital since we tax payers, are about to be resposible for a 7 billion dollar bail-out.

Conservative Christian Right Repulican Party - seems like that would be enough to question all things before supporting it blindly at this point.

I am Proudly voting for Obama and I find McCaine and Palin flat out funny every time they make an ass out of themselves. It is a given.

Personally, I think the Republicans need to seperate parties;
Peoples Repulican Party and Corporate Republican Party. Ron Paul was on to something that would have been for the Peoples Republican Party. Fundamentality I disagree but we could atleast have intelligent debates if the republicans could have a party that supported the people rather then the corporations.


Edited by Jaguar (09/25/08 09:12 PM)
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#11861 - 09/25/08 09:35 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Jaguar]
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 Quote:
I think this is vital since we tax payers, are about to be resposible for a 7 billion dollar bail-out.


I hope this was just a typo. That's actually $ 700 billion. Probably more by the time it's hammered out and passed. More appauling than the price tag, is the shift in American politics. When did we shift from a capitalist society to a socialist one? When did the government start buying out private and public companies and federalizing them? What happened to the law of supply and demand? Companies founded on greed grew way beyond wildest profit margins. To continue to maximize that growth and greed, they took on more credit and riskier credit than they should. But they had to keep their fleet of private jets well fueled. When the risky loans started defaulting, they felt the pinch. Their greed bit them in the ass. Now we have to pay for it? We have to keep the CEO from losing his multi million $ pension package? Fuck that, let him have to sell his mansion on 200 acres and move into an apartment with the rest of us. Instead of his $200,000 car, he can trade down to a nice Toyota like the rest of us. Where's Uncle Sam bailing out the small time companies just trying to provide a service to the community and keep a few employees earning a pay check?
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#11862 - 09/25/08 10:23 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: fakepropht]
Fist Moderator Offline
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Ron Paul warned of all of the nonsense. Of course, when he started talking monetary policy he lost most people and they just looked at him like he was crazy. The corporate media tried their best to ignore him or to marginalize him as another 'crazy' like Perot or Nader.

If Ron Paul is your guy, you could not get any further away from his way of thinking than to vote for the openly communist Obama. If Obama gets his way, not only would the govt own $700 billion worth of private property - but all private property.

Obama was mentored by Saul Alinsky, the author of "Rules for Radicals." Google it.

If compulsory collectivism is your bag, than Obama is your man. Personally, I just want govt to leave me alone.
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#11864 - 09/26/08 12:15 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
Jaguar Offline
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Registered: 08/08/08
Posts: 24
Loc: OR, Multnomah
 Quote:
Obama was mentored by Saul Alinsky, the author of "Rules for Radicals." Google it.

If compulsory collectivism is your bag, than Obama is your man. Personally, I just want govt to leave me alone.


First part sounds good to me! After reading up on this as you offered. Simply a way to counter act. (I respect your will for no government but we have no choice, unless you know of some utopia that exists, undiscovered by a country)
Compulsory collectivism....I only could find one actual reference and no actual definition of that term. Sounds like a form of Socialism. Good or bad that is what I got from it. In my opinion, socialism is best suited for city or even county government while democracy is best for federal and state government.
Nothing is perfect. We could take the Anarchy approach but we would have nothing left if we destroy everything and the end result would be people coming together as socialists or be ruled by tribe leaders and then rise back up to large form of governments yet again.
Thanks Fist! I have read alot of your responses to posts and I was curious where you stood. I understand now that it is the rule of any government that drives you to the Republican party. I disagree but I respect that deeply. \:\)

What am I pissed about in politics at its core? I was republican until the reality of jobs and homes kicked in for myself, friends and family. College graduates workings some crap job unable to pay off student loans, myself and family members suffering because the gut of our country has jobs being sold out for cheap labor to other countries. CEO's racking in profits that are out of balance and then they go under placing the burden, back on the the people yet again. This crap pisses me off!!! If we have to be ruled by law and live with our liberties, then tax everyone equally. No tax breaks for the rich or the poor. We all pay our fair share.

"Let them eat cake" was a term from the French that mean't "let the poor eat the left over filth in the the pig troughs." It led to the French revolution. Are we that far gone as Americans? Do we need a depression to wake people the fuck up! Is this the direction we must go before we take care of each other? Are we that selfish? This is what pisses me off again about politics. I am willing to kill for those I hold dear and pay my share of taxes for my community. I am tired of seeing people who give a shit get slapped on the cheek. I want to smash the slapper in the face! We are ruled by democracy and capitalism. We need to find balance. Dump the destroyers in both and uphold the creators in both. This is where I stand.

Cheers!


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#11932 - 09/28/08 03:50 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Jaguar]
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I do not care that Biden and Palin have sons in Iraq. I do not care that Mccain was a war prisoner. I do not care that Obama is black. I want a leader.

Mccain was the maverick he said he was about three years ago. Now that he jumped on the political train, he is a whore. It is as if someone pushed a button in his head and told him to be a Bush bitch. I do not care if said, "Bush ought to be fired" he is backed by the GPO, and that is exactly who won Bush the election.

Palin was just a move for the GPO that insured them a place in the history books. I have yet to hear her speak in depth about her policies. So far they’re just about what she wants to do and not how to do it.

The same goes for Mccain.

The same goes for Obama.

Biden is the only one who can stand his ground thus far.

We are headed for a financial nightmare, and that is all there is to it. We are in two wars. Our country has more provides services than it does industry. Unemployment is high, and our government is spending money as if they were in Vegas.

There is no one that can bail us out. Our government is so far in debt right now, what makes you think they can afford this 700 billion to bail out Wallstreet? We have kids graduating from college with 30k in debt from credit cards alone. Yeah sure, the Bush administration lowered standards for financial institutions, but it is still our fault we are in the mess that we are in. Yet, you will never hear any of the candidates say this.

No one will also admit to this.

We need a depression. We need a drastic change. We are fat, stupid, and lazy We don’t want to get dirty. We have misplaced our needs for our wants.
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#13525 - 10/27/08 03:04 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Aleph]
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Just a little question to our friends overseas;
How are your views now on the politics? Did your vote change, do you think the results will begin to change since McCains last speech?

Just out of interest if something changed, television uphere is busy with statistics about "how the american people could elect". But I prefer to hear it from the people themselves..
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#13527 - 10/27/08 03:37 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Dimitri]
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I have not been monitoring the campaigns since the last debate between McCain and Obama. But given the outcome of those debates, neither candidate was really strong...The GOP is really singing the wrong tune right now about the war...The previous poster does seem to make a good note that Joe Biden is the only one with the answers to how we can fix things instead of just what he wants to do...I cannot say I agree with everything Joe Biden says, but none the less its good to have an idea...Any candidate who does have a good idea usually ends up losing part of it to debate in the cutting room. (that's what I call Congress).

I believe that Barack Obama has good intentions and has the potential to be a good leader, but he needs to get a strong heart and stomach for the decisions he will have to make...Another thing which either candidate will have to do is hurdle obstacles presented by powerful special interest groups.

I think right now where it stands is that Barack Obama will win because John McCain screwed up by giving the V.P. ticket to Sarah Palin...she is just skating on bullshit and on top of that her mental process is founded too much on Christian fundamentalism...The woman would actually make her daughter have a baby even if it was the result of a rape...That is fucking nuts! That is like mom having a part in that rape and saying its okay to screw up her daughter's life.
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#13528 - 10/27/08 03:44 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Dimitri]
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I am no longer overseas, but the time I spent serving there has given me a drastically diferent view on things.

(How are your views now on the politics?)
-J-O-K-E. An absolute joke. This is nothing more than a popularity contest. A circle jerk if you will. These people do not give a FUCK about us. They want a plush life and they want to be remembered, and they will tell the majority what they want to hear to get it.

(Did your vote change, do you think the results will begin to change since McCains last speech?)
-As my last answer points out. My vote has not changed as it is and will be nonexistant. It is a speech, that's all. The American people will not elect. I think the Bush election shows this to be true.

Look, this war is a disaster. No secret there. Smoke has been blown up our asses for far to long in the effort to sqeeze out as much tolerance for it as possible. First it was a hunt for Bin Laden. Then, out of the blue our target is Saddam. NOW we are trying to rebuild Iraq. Is this simply due to a short attention span? Are these guys easily distracted? No, they are full of shit. Here's a little secret. I was in the forward most deployed heavy brigade combat team in the WORLD. They still hold this today. We had orders to go into the middle east before Sep.11 even happened. What do you gather from this? People say it's for a good cause as those people need freedom. FUCK 'EM! When it's YOUR friends and family getting blown the fuck up you tend to lose the imperative sense of these peoples needs. I would still, however, be willing to go back there had I not gotten into trouble and got my ass kicked out. This is only my thoughts on it, i'm sure you'll get some different views.
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#13530 - 10/27/08 05:24 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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wow, that's pretty amazing stuff to here. I personally hope you don't have to go back there again, but if I may ask why would you want to take another tour?

Given the information about receiving orders to go into Iraq prior to 9-11-01. don't you think you could better serve the cause by forming a grass roots organization and raise the awareness level? I am sure people like Amy Goodman or even Wolfe Blitzer and Christianne Amanpour would help you if you had good sources.

Look, I am not against fighting radical Islam or what has been deemed the war on terror, but I personally think we are going about fighting terrorism in the wrong way...This war on terror is very much like Vietnam...We are fighting other country's proxy militaries just as much as we did in Korea and Vietnam...The Soviet Union used other countries to deplete the U.S. resolve and turn us into a bunch of boneheads. John F. Kennedy knew this and yet the powers at work still got their way in Dealy Plaza.

We need to stop spending so much goddamn money on protracting major wars or occupations and start fighting them the way JFK wanted to in the first place with low intensity scenarios...We need to enhance special forces or SOCOM with the ability to make force multipliers and education. If we revert to that strategy then we can fight on rolled back expenditure while still maintaining a deterrence to evade higher escalations.

But before we can even move in that direction their definitely needs to be better accountability in our government.
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#13531 - 10/27/08 05:58 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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The reason I would go back is simply because my friends are there. I don't care about the "cause." I have friends that I have come very close to, to put it like this might help in understanding. I would have a hard time dealing with a friend being gunned down. Maybe, had I been there I could have first killed the guy who shot him or provided aid to the wound. Basically, they need people to watch their back. It pisses me off seeing able bodied people with "Support the troops" stickers on their cars and shit like that. They are liars. If they really wanted to support them they would get their asses over there and cover their backs. However, it also pisses me off that there are soo many who don't agree with it but keep droning on in blind obedience to an obvious idiot. If you truly think this war is an absolute right, than those 10 people can go fight it. The reason this is such a blood bath is because people are willing to join in on it. It is your life, if your spidey senses are tingling that you could die for a vain cause you have EVERY right to walk away. I'm all for hunting the men who were permitted to perform this act on our land, but that's it.

I think the country would benefit greatly if they, in this world, bothered no one. Yet if one were to persist in harassing, smash them hip and thigh.


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#13532 - 10/27/08 07:10 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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Look, I sympathize with you on the issue of your friends. It sounds like you have more than unit cohesion in your heart. I understand that. But when a number is picked for someone who is a friend or brother in arms, not even you can stop the bullet or shrapnel from doing the damage, it is terrible to see and it does not change the fact they were your friend. I am sure there are people in the V.A. hospital going to therapy because they feel guilty for not seeing that one fucker who killed their friend and did not get killed.

Listen, I cannot relate to you enough on the matter of working under combat because I never had the privilege of serving my country on that level. I was rejected by the armed services even when I tried to volunteer for Desert Storm. I do voluntary analysis work. To be honest, If I were you and did not have to go back, I would say; "that's cool with me." because I think everybody who planned this war sucked on the planning.

I would like to encourage you to step back from going to Iraq and think about the emotional drive you have right now. You are searing at the teeth going crazy over the possibility of your friends getting killed or seriously wounded, and you wanna go kick some ass...Hey the Pentagon made the decision to kick you out, not you.

If you have heart for this issue, then you could still fight from another angle that may yield better results through activism...I want to encourage you to read "The Art Of War" by Sun Tzu...This book is the ultimate manual on how to fight the enemy on your terms and although it was written as a thesis on military strategy it has applications in the World of business and politics...The best way to fight an enemy is not head on as we are doing in Iraq my friend...They are using guerilla tactics while we are an occupying force in high visibility which is adding to the stress on our troops...It is not your fault that anybody close to you died in action, it is the Bush Administration's poor assessment and strategy that is getting people killed...We have a new administration coming in, and the strategy may change to what I have proposed to you already because we cannot keep spending money on this over extension of our military without having a surplus.



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#13534 - 10/27/08 07:21 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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I agree with you on the full frontal assault being the wrong tactic. We have special operations units that are far more effective than a company of bullet catchers. If we would use these in unison with the cia. It would prove to be very successful. I've known men in these units. They have told me about wars fought that the american public know nothing about. Not even knowing we had anything to do with these countries. Seals, Delta, and so on. These men are incredible creatures and highly trained in being an invisible threat. Destroying objectives from the inside out. The way it should be done. Very cool shit. On that note, I will check the book out that you suggested. Thanks.
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#13546 - 10/27/08 09:11 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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Glad I could be of help to you...I do not know exactly where you are in your beliefs or anything, but if you are indeed a follower of the left hand path, you might consider joining a Hermetic military order or non Christian military order such as maybe the Teutonic Knights of Bavaria...As a veteran you are entitled to the rank of Knight since you have served in Chivalry...This would be a most positive way to use your experience and you can learn about doing work for a Non-Governmental Organization associated with the order and perform diplomatic missions on behalf of special causes. Do not be too quick to jump into an order, take your time to investigate their ideology...If you do not have a higher education, perhaps you could go to school at Norwich or West Point and at least acquire your Bachelors or Masters in Military Science or Foreign Services.

You could turn what seems to be a lousy situation into a better chance at doing what you like...It sounds like you have a knack for war, are you an Aries or was your moon in Aries when you were born? Have you ever had a Birth Chart done? You should if you haven't because it can guide you into the next phase of your life and help you understand yourself better.


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#13620 - 10/29/08 02:56 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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 Quote:
don't you think you could better serve the cause by forming a grass roots organization and raise the awareness level?


Is there any money in that?

I mean really, I have been asked this question many times my friends and family. I simply ask them what else would I be doing if I were not in the Army. They have no answer. Some people are simply warriors at heart. In other words, we live for war. Any complex society cannot be made up of many such people but few societies will survive for very long without a robust warrior class.

Given that a man must earn a living, I can think of worst ways to put rice in my bowl.

And look, if I am going to have to kill people, Muslims make as good an enemy as any. Honestly, Islam is one of the worlds worst and most dangerous religions.

Besides, there is nothing like asking your 'terp' to translate "I am The Devil, and I am here to do The Devils work." That look of fear and hopelessness on the face of some poor hadji worth the price of admission.

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We need to enhance special forces or SOCOM with the ability to make force multipliers and education. If we revert to that strategy then we can fight on rolled back expenditure while still maintaining a deterrence to evade higher escalations.


Did you see that on Obama's web site or did you come up with that yourself? Just what is your experience with Special Forces?

Never the less, you are sort of on the right track. But the Big Army is full of GO level clowns who will never subordinate themselves to a mere 0-6 SFG commander.

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But before we can even move in that direction their definitely needs to be better accountability in our government.


LMAO! Ok, stop, really, your killing me.......
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#13622 - 10/29/08 03:24 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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Well said Fist. It's soo fuckin' funny. They used to come up to us and ask us for food, so we would give them all our pork M.R.E.'s and they looooved 'em! They would use civilian locals to transport our vehicles to our camp and the drivers and gunners would ride along with them. I busted out a porno mag and these guys were litterally ripping pages out of it in an attempt to get it for themselves. They were like fucking vultures! They, also, would send women to us with food and steal equipment while everyone was distracted. I put my M-4 right in that bitches face and had a friend tell her if I saw her again, EVER, it would be the last. Anyways, sorry for getting off topic, just thought i'de share that. \:\)
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#13703 - 10/31/08 07:31 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Just what is your experience with Special Forces?

Fist I know that you weren't addressing me on that one but I feel inclined to say something with this.
A BIG PAIN IN THE ASS. SF guys atleast where I am at in Iraq do nothing but leave a trail of bodies for my companies QRF (qucik response force) personally though I am glad they operating inside our area of operation because their ROE and ours are completly different and their work actually shows results which is good.
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#13785 - 11/02/08 02:11 PM Re: Do not pay attention to the man behind the screen. [Re: Raziel LaVey]
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I feel sadly left out because I cannot vote in this election. From what I've seen, both candidates have some idea of what they are going to do, with most variable left up to chance, luck, and congress. I support Obama because I am pro choice and I do believe that in case of a presidential death (McCain having a heart attack, Obama being assassinated) Biden would be better than Palin.
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#13786 - 11/02/08 02:50 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Ringmaster]
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They(S.F.)are an impressive bunch. I must say I am quite envious of their positions, not to mention their toys. Do those guys have the sickest fuckin' dune-buggies or what?!
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#13788 - 11/02/08 04:53 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: blsk]
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Here is an interesting news story that really highlights the stupidy of Palin: http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2008...dent/?page=full
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#13843 - 11/04/08 08:55 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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So, Palin likes to hunt? Like millions of other Americans, and she got spoofed by some DJ. So what?

I have seen dozens of serious new reporters get spoofed by Howard Stern fans. These are also the serious journalists who also seem to enjoy tearing Palin down. Yet, they are not smart enough to avoid a 'ba-ba-booie.'

McCain chose Palin to charge up the Conservative base (that he needs in order to win) because most conservatives are pretty cold on McCain. I know I am.

The leftist media and Liberals are terrified of Palin because she is the real deal and has large populist appeal. They have moved heaven and earth to tear her down.

The McCain campaign and leftist media are all setting her up to be the scapegoat for a McCain loss. I say let 'em.

Win or lose, you will see Palin running for POTUS in 2012.
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#13850 - 11/04/08 11:55 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Fist]
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I never said anything about here liking to hunt. I go hunting myself, so I don't see what relevance that statment has. The reason why I find this funny is because the woman is a fucking dingbat. This woman cant even distinguish a PM from a pop singer. Her foriegn policy experience of that of Alaska being close to Russia. I don't know what you mean by "the real deal" Anyways, the woman is fucking stupid and has no buisness running as vice president for anything.
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#13860 - 11/04/08 03:57 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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This is to cover several points, and none of them have to do with what the previous poster said.

First off, a little news piece from out here in oil country: Morgan said:

"Actually, you made my point with artic drilling. Its a small area, not much will come out, and it wont make a dent in the problem. At most, 2-3%, and at what cost. Better chances with off shore drilling away from hurricain pathways."

You don't have to drill the entire state of Alaska, all you have to do is find one lucky pocket and you can be sucking oil out of land a thousand miles away. Oil pools like water and even though they are only drilling a small area, it is entirely possible that the amount of oil they remove can cover ten times the square mileage of the land they are drilling on. Drilling isn't cheap, so chances are good that if they have their eyes on one particular patch of dirt, it's because they've done their homework and know that the largest underground pools will be found in that area. If your 2-3% statistic came from anywhere besides your own mind, I'd like to see your source.

For the YouTube generation, you can watch the movie, "There Will be Blood" The main character does well near the end of the movie to explain how drilling works.

Also, since this thread is apparently to attack Veeps, I'd like to ask how anyone can feel comfortable voting for a moron who says "...and when the stock market crashed, Franklin Rooselvelt got on television..."

Yes, there is a slight chance that McCain wont make the whole term, but in case you didn't notice, Obama is BLACK. His chances of surviving a term in office are - at best - just as slim. I'd rather have Palin than Biden any day. I've heard what Biden says and when you take out the stupidity, what's left fails to tell you what his actual opinion is. Palin might be a maverick or a little radical, but at least she's got enough balls to act and speak instead of simply trying to string enough words together that you forget the question.

It looks to me like we are all better off focusing our vote on vice president. Morgan rants about Palin and compares her to Obama (which should be a compliment to Palin because she's not actually running for president, yet everyone compares her that way), but have you, Morgan, checked out Biden? Have you been able to get around your Obama-worship long enough to see what he's dragging around behind him?

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#13871 - 11/04/08 07:46 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: ceruleansteel]
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First up, I am not Obamas ass.
I dont see why it appears that you are taking/making this personal.
I would have prefered Edwards, but he couldn't keep his dick in his pants.
Obama is better than Mccain.

People bring up Palin verses Obama, because chances are that Mccain will die in office.
Hes old, and had a few bouts with cancer, and has physical problems relating to the time he spent as a POW.

I actually used to like the old Mccain, the one from 8 years ago. He was more middle of the road, and open minded. The mccain running now, sold out. He hired the same people who worked for bush and fucked him over to do the same job to Obama. He is right now selling out for his last chance at the white house.

Palin is too fucking stupid to be in the white house. She also needs to at home taking care of her baby, not handing the poor kid off to her daughters. She can't communicate with her daughter about safe sex, how is she going to talk to world leaders? Besides, I dont want someone in office who is against abortion in the cases of rape and insest. She also made rape victims pay for the rape kit used in hospitals by the police to catch criminals.

I'm not going to list all of Biden points, go to the website for that.

Hell, even Cosmo ran a brief article comparing Obama to Mccain last month. Showing the side by side differences.

Look over the links:
http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/
http://taxcut.barackobama.com/


The 3 percent was not out of my head. It was from a couple of different articles.
In regards to drilling, yes you might get lucky, and get a pool of oil, But how much area will you destroy in order to get it. How big or how little will it be? Do you really think it will be like the Arabian oil fields?

Look over the links:
http://arctic.fws.gov/issues1.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_Refuge_drilling_controversy



Its been a while since you were around.
I guess you moved to oil country??
Hope you are well, nice to see you back.
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#13886 - 11/04/08 11:55 PM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: Morgan]
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Thank you for the welcome.

I'm not taking or making it personal...most of what I said was aimed at you only because it's your thread, so the things that you say are what I focus on when I'm reading it. Also, the statement about oil caught my attention because I didn't move to oil country, I have lived here my entire life. Arkansas is known for two things: diamonds and oil. That's what we do here. Half the guys I know work the rigs. Finding a "pool" of oil isn't lucky, that's how it works. They have machines that they use to determine where the oil is and the approximate amount. I compare it to underground pools because that's how it is. In a town about thirty-five miles from me, everyone has well water. The town covers about two thousand acres and they are all getting water from the same source, even though they have their own separate wells. Oil works the same way. I could own a thousand acres of property, but if I drill on my land I could also take oil from my neighbor's property because the "pool" covers several thousand acres. Just because they drill in point A doesn't mean that they can't take points B, C, and D's oil as well.

I seem to recall a couple of years ago you and I clashed heavily on the subjects of feminism and women's rights. I must admit that I'm sort of shocked to see you of all people saying that any woman "should be at home taking care of her baby".

I don't think you are being thorough in defending your position when you fire vague shots at one candidate, yet simply refer me to a website when I question yours...and refer me to still more websites for everything else. I understand you are a busy woman, but I think that you should be able to state your own reasons and defend your own position with your own words and simply cite the website as your source instead of leaving it up to the reader to research your opinions for you.

Back to the oil, it's known that Alaska has large enough oil deposits to supply the nation for several decades without the need to rely on outside sources. (Instead of going that route, I believe the plan is to merely suppliment outside sources with our homegrown stuff.) They don't have to tear much up to get to it, they just have to make sure they have done their homework before they start drilling. And once again, it is VERY COSTLY to drill. No company is going to waste their time on a maybe. If they are willing to put bit to dirt, they already know that the payoff will be worth it.

It's all pointless now, though. Congrats on your horse.


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#13910 - 11/05/08 09:51 AM Re: WtF???? Palin [Re: ceruleansteel]
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"I seem to recall a couple of years ago you and I clashed heavily on the subjects of feminism and women's rights. I must admit that I'm sort of shocked to see you of all people saying that any woman "should be at home taking care of her baby".

She has a special needs newborn. The last thing a newborn needs is being exposed to all the germs at a national convention, from being handed off, and poked and prodded, and kissed. The child was her choice to have, she knew she was having a special needs child. She needs to own up to that responsiblity and take care of it. Not hand it off to her young daughters one who is now pregnant with her own choice.

"I don't think you are being thorough in defending your position when you fire vague shots at one candidate, yet simply refer me to a website when I question yours...and refer me to still more websites for everything else. I understand you are a busy woman, but I think that you should be able to state your own reasons and defend your own position with your own words and simply cite the website as your source instead of leaving it up to the reader to research your opinions for you."

There are 5 pages in this thread. I have stated and defended myself a few times. I listed the links as additional sources.

"Back to the oil, it's known that Alaska has large enough oil deposits to supply the nation for several decades without the need to rely on outside sources"

Thats not true. Look over the first link from the governments own people.


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