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#111496 - 02/23/17 07:25 PM Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism.
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Former Black Metal musician Varg Vikernes gives his thoughts on Men Going Their Own Way and Feminism.

He says that these movements are actually good since they keep inferior men and women from reproducing, which allows alpha males to get together with the best females and form strong, healthy families.

Thoughts on this? Satanism, as far as I know is all about might and since starting a family is quite hard, wouldn't it be proof of how strong one is? Leaving a sort of legacy to endure? Isn't it saying "fuck it I don't need anyone" just playing life on an easier setting?


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#111497 - 02/23/17 08:56 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Sargeist]
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Meh, breeding is overrated. Also, every DHS office that exists refutes his assertion. IMO It is the most mundane that provide the most children, and not indicative of alpha status.

I don't think it's easier, it's just not wanting a little crying shit that needs + a rejection of the old ways.

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#111501 - 02/24/17 05:03 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Sargeist]
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 Originally Posted By: Sarge
Isn't it saying "fuck it I don't need anyone" just playing life on an easier setting?


There's a clear difference between need and want. I agree with Canis, you don't have to breed. The Proletariat breeds like rabbits and it's far from the best of the best. It's not the inferior refusing to breed, it's the opposite.

People were pretty shocked when I got sterilized because they believe I'm young enough to want to have more children. Been 21 years, I've not changed my mind about it.


Feminism proper is about equal treatment under the law anyway, it doesn't have shit to do with breeding.

I can't take this guy serious. He comes off an idiot.

As for how Satanism ties in here, you'd be hard pressed because many would argue against embracing Nomos as pragmatic. It would be more left-handed to exploit laws for your purposes, not follow them.

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#111502 - 02/24/17 06:50 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: SIN3]
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People like Varg are gaining followers because many see the current state of affairs as indication that the modern world is about to collapse. He offers a choice: either to embrace the old and create a different, better society or enjoy the party till everything goes to shit and humans are no more. And plenty of people (if social media is to be taken as a serious measurement of anything) are seduced by this idea of reverting back to the ways of their European forebears.

You both make good points, which is why perhaps it's better to just walk one's path without being concerned if someone comes along or not.
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#111504 - 02/24/17 08:13 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Sargeist]
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? Satanism, as far as I know is all about might and since starting a family is quite hard, wouldn't it be proof of how strong one is?


You have really peculiar views on Satanism and I wonder where you get them from.

If you want to have children, then go and have as many as you want and can afford.

If you don't want to have children, then don't have children.

It's that simple.
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#111505 - 02/24/17 08:46 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Czereda]
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Varg is exactly right yet again. Yeah, sure, MGTOW are waste flesh for the most part, but it is good that they are the way they are so they don't reproduce and creste more losers.
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#111506 - 02/25/17 07:42 AM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: IronWizard]
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 Originally Posted By: Sargeist
either to embrace the old and create a different, better society or enjoy the party till everything goes to shit and humans are no more.


In today's society you can't embrace the old. Are you willing to see to it that women's rights to vote are taken away? That is perhaps the only way we could actualize 'the old traditionalism' everyone is so nostalgic about.

In reality, things have changed so much that there is no going back due to women's libtardation, and the like. The courts uphold all of this, with men in their scopes.


 Originally Posted By: Sargeist
perhaps it's better to just walk one's path without being concerned if someone comes along or not.


Which is the whole philosophy of MGTOW. One cannot walk their own path being married. You marry a woman in western culture, you give up your life as a free man.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
If you want to have children, then go and have as many as you want and can afford.

If you don't want to have children, then don't have children.

It's that simple.


Except when women have kids from another man, or decides to sperm jack a guy and get herself pregnant that way. Men have no say when a woman gets pregnant.

Or they get pregnant in a situation where DNA testing is either illegal, or the woman has rights to say 'no test' and that's that.

In either case the courts rules wherein the man has to pay up for a kid who he doesn't know is his own or not.


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Varg is exactly right yet again. Yeah, sure, MGTOW are waste flesh for the most part, but it is good that they are the way they are so they don't reproduce and creste more losers.


I can't agree with you here, or the fucktard in this video.

It is exactly this guy's mentality that allows for the mass spewing of nomian values to replicate what LaVey called 'disposable generations' of people. MGTOW is different because unlike the family unit, this allows for men to live their life free from nomian ways/social validation. The weak are breeding.

See a MGTOW respond

If Satanism promotes one to become their own maker, they shoudl not get involved in situations wherein they will be forced into compliance, hence why more and more men are staying away from marriage and kids altogether.

LaVey also promoted artificial companions. If I didn't know any better I'd say that MGTOW is Satanism, minus the female alter.

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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Feminism proper is about equal treatment under the law anyway, it doesn't have shit to do with breeding.


I think it does. I've heard these people talk about being 'outbred' by the right, and I see just as many from the feminist/hippy crowd reproducing at obnoxious rates. Just because femtardism claims equality doesn't mean that's what it acts upon. It is clear now that it is about getting social domination through proxy by way of getting control of the government and having laws made in their favour, which in your context of 'seizing advantage' would be quite satanic indeed, but that's it. When men stop having relationships with women altogether, what power do women have except their right to vote? I refuse to call them Satanic on account of their need for proxy, constant social validation and absolute lack of personal development.

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I can't take this guy serious. He comes off an idiot.


Him and so many more. Men are quick to denounce MGTOW because they are afraid of leaving female validation and will cling to any defence in order to retain the behaviour they've been conditioned to live by.
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#111508 - 02/25/17 12:04 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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@ Sargeist:

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. And plenty of people (if social media is to be taken as a serious measurement of anything) are seduced by this idea of reverting back to the ways of their European forebears.


Divine Right, serfdom, slaves to your lord, these are not things I would voluntarily yoke upon myself. Of course elitism with a dash of lex talionis would shake up society more than could be postulated. Rule by the smartest and ablest, is without all the unnecessary platitudes...I.e. prince, king, queen, bishop, groom of the stool... et cetera, sounds sinister enough to spark my appetite. Rule by the most sinister without hereditary rule, the stronger of the leaders followers weed themselves out until one is left ( Stalin and Trotsky, Himmler and Heydrich) solves the issue of transference of power. Now I am rambling....😈

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I think it does. I've heard these people talk about being 'outbred' by the right, and I see just as many from the feminist/hippy crowd reproducing at obnoxious rates. Just because femtardism claims equality doesn't mean that's what it acts upon. It is clear now that it is about getting social domination through proxy by way of getting control of the government and having laws made in their favour, which in your context of 'seizing advantage' would be quite satanic indeed, but that's it. When men stop having relationships with women altogether, what power do women have except their right to vote? I refuse to call them Satanic on account of their need for proxy, constant social validation and absolute lack of personal development.


I agree, I went to two feminist protests and rallies this past week and surprise surprise these ladies were showing off there husbands and all the new miglets, niglets, and wiglets. I overheard that feminist strategy was now to bring men into the fold who accept there radical views. ( The same views I hold for the hour or two when I am trying to bone one) The guys I spoke with, most of whom were "white" cheered and applauded when things like white wealth should be redistributed to non-whites, and when a libtard teacher, on the state's payroll, calls our president "commander-in-saltine". Aka he just called a crowd of white people crackers and they all applauded, I called the bastard an idiot racist to his face loudly when there was a pause in his racial tirade. Again, the same speaker said all "oppressed" people were going to get theirs one way or the other, rather from the oppressors.
Oppressed People being anyone not a white male, and Oppressors being the white male exclusively. Surely, applause again....
So, I attended rallies were white men cheered when they were insulted, told they were the cause of everyone else's woes, how shitty they treat their spouses because white males are all wife beating sexist bigots by default. Even though he drove her there in that shitty 2016 Mercedes, how plebian.
Where did these men's balls go. How do you applaud stupid shit that paints you as a fucking monster? liberal-fucktardedness ( if I may coin a phrase) has these men so pussy whipped, so white guilted that they wouldn't question a damn thing or disagree with the aforementioned rabble rouser. Also, I heard topless protesting is now illegal here, why did you wait so long FEMEN?
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#111515 - 02/26/17 02:36 AM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: duhsquidbilly]
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Many of the man's-movements I came across are filled with frustrated and flustered men. People who, like vegans and other groups, want to be special.

There are a few good "men" who write and share from a realist perspective. There's just many more who use the platform to hang-out cuck-fantasies in the form of "experiences" (which probably didn't happen).

Both the male's movements and Feminism are swarmed by fat neckbeards. Decent people generally don't care about either groups and if the choice comes up will pick one and proclaim a "moderate" stance to avoid peer-pressure. During a conflict either remain in the back or will act as some sort of diplomat.

Both sides are equally worse.
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#111518 - 02/26/17 07:32 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
Men have no say when a woman gets pregnant.

Melodramatic nonsense. As a general rule, if you are vigilant in looking out for your own interests you can neither be duped into knocking a woman up nor roped into paying child support for some other guy's kid.

In my experience, 99,999 times out of 100,000, the guy who is wailing about how unfair the system was on him is some bozo who did something stupid that got him into it in the first place.

The most common scenario is the guy just wanted to get his dick wet and didn't stop to think about consequences and didn't bother to use a condom. Fuck you, you're a moron, what do you think happens when you have unprotected sex? Same goes for the woman, btw. No sympathy for either.

The second most common scenario is the woman who lies about being infertile, or who claims to be on birth control (but isn't). She's a scumbag, and IMO should be prosecuted for sexual assault (since he consented based on fraud). But you're a massive sucker for buying that shit. You don't have "super sperm," dingus. If she's infertile--that is, she doesn't make eggs--the most super-duper sperm in the world ain't gonna make up for that. It takes both an egg and a sperm to make a baby, or didn't you pay attention in biology class? Fuck him, too. (And I've seen the inverse, which isn't as rare as you may think--a guy telling a girl that he's infertile, because he hopes knocking her up well compel her to stay with him. Because all his girlfriends keep leaving him. Gee, I wonder why.)

And then, of course, there are the people who don't know how to use birth control. Read the fucking manual. You take the pill every day, not just when you fuck. Pinch the tip of the condom to create a jizz reservoir. Pull out immediately after ejaculating. Don't use oil-based lubes with latex! And FFS, do not re-use condoms.

Sidebar: one horror story of the guy who knocked up a girl he never fucked was not a case of sperm-jacking, but a case of dipshits who didn't understand how condoms work. Two couples were fucking in the same car. They had one condom. After couple #1 finished, they passed the condom to couple #2, who turned it inside out (don't want the other guy's spooge on me--that would be gay!) and proceeded to use it again. You guessed it-- girl #2 got knocked up with guy #1's baby. Fucking gross, people. Use as directed.

Now the few cases of legitimate spermjacking--fishing sperm out of used condoms or procuring it from a blow job--those are seriously vile. Also extremely rare. What can I say? CYA. Inspect your condom carefully for holes. Fill your used condom with spermicidal foam. Tie it with a square knot. Dispose of it somewhere nasty like a toilet tank or litterbox. It's a dangerous world out there.

But overall, most predatory people are opportunists and are going to go for the low-hanging fruit. Your chances are much higher of being a royal dipshit than of being a poor, innocent victim of an evil genius. Don't be the low-hanging fruit, yo.

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Except when women have kids from another man... Or they get pregnant in a situation where DNA testing is either illegal, or the woman has rights to say 'no test' and that's that.

That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works.

Sure, it seems that way to some people--usually people who aren't terribly sophisticated, to whom the legal system seems incomprehensible and magic and frightening. The same sort of people who see being arrested as a random, unfortunate occurrence akin to getting a flat tire (i.e. not something within the scope of their control).

The truth is, there are tons of legal procedures in place to safeguard the rights of men, fathers, and alleged fathers, but many do not understand what their rights are or how it works. Even when you try to explain it to them, they don't always get it. They feel like they're being sandbagged because they don't understand it, but if you get the law (or get a lawyer) the law is on your side if you're not the father.

I practice in Texas, so let me explain how it works in Texas.

Firstly, a DNA test is never illegal. Ever. There are circumstances under which a court may not order a DNA test, but nothing is stopping you from doing one yourself. It's a free country. You can swab the kid's cheek yourself during weekend visitation and mail it off. You don't even need mom's DNA.

There are three ways a man may be found to be the father: establishment, presumption, and acknowledgement. Establishment means the mother or the state brings a lawsuit to establish the man as the father. Presumption means the man was married to the mother or lived with the kid continuously and told everyone he was the kid's father (think of it as like common-law marriage, except as a parent instead of spouse). Acknowledgement means the man signed a document under oath stating that he was the kid's father.

Let's talk about paternity actions.

In a paternity action, a DNA test is mandatory if anyone requests it. Period. It's also mandatory if the father is incarcerated (case law says an admission or default of paternity on a man behind bars is coercive). And it's mandatory if someone else was presumed or acknowledged to be the father.

Mothers never have the right to unilaterally refuse a DNA test in a paternity case. If DNA is requested or required, refusing a DNA test will either get her case dismissed (possibly with prejudice, if she brought the action) or her incarcerated up to 6 months for contempt of court.

So how might some poor sap who's not the father be named the father in a paternity action? A default. Simply put, he doesn't show up to court.

He has to be served--he will be handed a copy of the pleading by the sheriff. He will be told he's being sued. He will be notified of when and where the hearing will be. Literally all he has to do is show up and say he wants a DNA test, or file a written answer with the district clerk requesting a DNA test. That's it. If he needs some time to think about it or hire a lawyer, he can do that as well by requesting the judge give him some time for that. And the court can't issue a ruling until the first Monday after he's had at least 20 days to respond.

Many don't, because they don't understand. They hide. They're scared and confused by the legal system. They think maybe if they don't show up, nothing will happen.

Well, the court isn't going to sit around waiting for him to pull his head out of the sand. They're not going to put everything on ice and expect the mother to just wait it out until he feels like coming to court. They're going to issue a ruling based on her testimony alone, because of he can't even be bothered to write "I can haz DNA?" it's kind of futile to wait on him.

Even then--if the guy admitted or was defaulted on paternity, he has an absolute right to terminate the parent- child relationship if he later produces DNA results showing he is not the father. The court does not have discretion to deny the termination. He has an absolute right to the termination under the law. Texas Family Code 161.005(h).

As for presumed fathers, they have the right to challenge their paternity. Texas Family Code Section 160.607. As with any other cause of action, there is a statute of limitations. They have raise the issue timely once they're made aware that they might not be the father. They can't wait around for years knowing they might not be the father and then whine about it later down the road.

And you know what? That's on him. Statutes of limitations exist for a reason. If you become aware that you have a legal interest that needs protecting, you need to hop on that right away. Don't sit around with your thumb up your ass and then raise something like that on people long after the fact.

Then there's acknowledged fathers--those guys who swore under oath that they were the child's father. Even they can challenge their paternity. The standards are admittedly pretty stringent--a much shorter statute of limitations, a higher standard of evidence, more discretion for the court to deny the claim--but he still has the option of bringing the suit. And he's the one who swore under oath that he was the kid's father in the first place.

In short, there is no circumstance whatsoever under which a man is stuck being named the father where he has no say-so. Every man has the option of challenging his alleged--or even established--paternity, if he follows the proper procedures.

Many don't understand this, unfortunately. They just walk up to the judge during docket call and ask if they can terminate their rights. Judges aren't magical fairy godmothers who can grant your wish that you just verbally request on the spot.

You have to put your request in writing so it's clear what's at issue. You have to get the other parent served. Even if you're absolutely entitled to something by law, you still have to notify the other party because of due process.

They really have a hard time wrapping their heads around that. "Well I texted the other party, they know there's a hearing today." That's not sufficient. If courts let people proceed on that basis it would be a disaster. So many people would abuse that. Even if, in your particular case, the other party has actual notice, you still need to do things properly.

(Women have the same problem, btw. They constantly say they texted their ex or they want to terminate their rights or they want to terminate his rights, and have a rough time understanding why they can't just informally tell the judge what they'd like as if they were ordering a burger.)

The same goes for men seeking custody, btw. The #1 reason men don't get custody is because they don't actually petition for it. They just go up the judge after the mom has petitioned for child support and say something about wanting custody. It doesn't work that way! The court is barred from considering matters that are not properly raised in pleadings.

The law as written isn't slanted in women's favor at all. If I had to pinpoint a single reason why men are at a disadvantage in family courts, it would be that women--for whatever reason--are more likely to actually get lawyers. Men have this DIY attitude, are too proud to admit that they're out of their element and don't know what they're doing, and are more likely to proceed pro se. It bites them in the ass big time, because law is not one of those things you want to try to handle yourself if you're not trained in it.
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#111525 - 02/27/17 09:34 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Thank you Xiao for the class on how to avoid unwanted Fatherhood. That is why I can't take MGTOW seriously, on the surface they may seem like a movement set out to restore men's independence but dig a little deeper and they just turn out to be whiners bitching about "muh rights!" Not much difference compared to feminists.
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#111526 - 02/27/17 09:50 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Sargeist]
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ps the hole satanic sex thing is not just slanted towards women it has to do with men to because with out the man you wouldn't be here so think before you type dumb ass
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#111529 - 02/28/17 11:46 AM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: little_satan15]
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dig a little deeper and they just turn out to be whiners bitching about "muh rights!" Not much difference compared to feminists.


I bet you've done little to no digging at all. MGTOW is based on stats, reality. Feminism is based entirely on bullshit. Prove me fucking wrong, I dare you.

Perhaps you just want to take the middle ground to play it safe, but all you're doing is fucking yourself in the head. MGTOW are right, Feminism is wrong. This is the reality of the situation.

Let's take a few Feminist claims and do a little satanic trick on 'em:

Women are oppressed by men

Women are used by men

Women are objectified as a resource by men

Men depend on women

Women are underprivileged and divorce is hard on women

Dead beat dads are the reason women leave men

White men get money just for being men:

INVERSION= TRUTH, in this case:

Men are oppressed by women

Men are used by women

Men are objectified as nothing more than a bank account to suck from.

Women depend on men

Women have great privilege because they practically get amnesty from any wrong doing in a marriage, and can wipe their ass with common divorce law because the judges will lay almost every, if not all financial responsibility on the men.

I don't know if judges get paid off, or what the case is, but I've spoken with people who have seen good hard working men loose their children to CRACK WHORES without explanation.

Women leave men because they know they will have the most sympathy in court and are almost always entitled to half the man's belongings. With things like no fault divorce, women can just up and leave men and fuck up their life.

As XG pointed out, a lot of men don't show up because they are afraid. And she's right, the law must be challenged, and it is often the case that men must defend their rights to the bone while women get legally pampered.

A great deal of these men who have to pay alimony and child support are good working men, not dead beats. Their income is simply not enough *after payments are extracted to keep up a decent living.

Let's face it, women get paid just for being women. Go to a strip bar. You'll see fat disgusting strippers now, what with fat acceptance becoming the norm.

Men are opting out of a system that would use and dispose of them, and the men who claim this is 'beta behaviour' are probably jealous married retards who know they are totally fucked, while MGTOW can enjoy life at leisure with no worries.

Personally I hardly talk to women any more. They lack character, intellect, and have little to no self discipline. A spoiled princess entitlement installed as the OP on every machine now, no matter how nice the hardware.

At this point in my life I don't see any reason to associate with women. It also amazes me how a man who leaves everyone alone is attacked so hard by hordes of married dipshits. Get lost.

In any case, I'm not going to list any sources just yet. I'm actually going to let you fuckers try to prove me wrong.

Here are some places to start your research:

*How many men are paying child support and jailed for lack of payments

*Who gets awarded custody most often

*How many women are on welfare compared to men

*Who are the majority voters between the sexes

Well seeing as how I have no family to support, no woman telling me what to do, no kids screaming at me, I think I'll go do whatever the fuck I want with my day, no ties, no strings, no shit.


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#111541 - 03/01/17 09:47 AM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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I think it does. I've heard these people talk about being 'outbred' by the right, and I see just as many from the feminist/hippy crowd reproducing at obnoxious rates. Just because femtardism claims equality doesn't mean that's what it acts upon. It is clear now that it is about getting social domination through proxy by way of getting control of the government and having laws made in their favour, which in your context of 'seizing advantage' would be quite satanic indeed, but that's it. When men stop having relationships with women altogether, what power do women have except their right to vote? I refuse to call them Satanic on account of their need for proxy, constant social validation and absolute lack of personal development.


I think you're confusing the impulse to breed with laws about it. There's a difference. As I stated Feminism Proper is about equal treatment under established laws, everything else is just social fare. Stats can be used to paint any picture, it's all in the manipulation of the data for one's ends.

Another example (Virginia): When I filed my divorce, the Commonwealth still uses abandonment laws. In other words, because my spouse contested it and could have grounds of proof for abandonment of the marriage, I would have been libel to pay spousal support until he remarried (I was the bread-winner). There are ways to argue against the law, fight the Judge's initial ruling and turn the whole thing on its head and off the table. You just have to know the game you're playing, and play it better than your opponent.

The same is true for family law, and what so-called "Rights" people have or don't have when it comes to children. Not to mention the thousands that get on, with no involvement of the law what-so-ever. Many people are willing to work it out among themselves (for better or worse) and not get the system involved in their business. So what is confused as Feminism is often something else entirely. Social attitudes ebb and flow as a natural progression. Hell, 21st century and plenty of people are looking back to prior centuries as if it wasn't so bad. People are tired. Tired of being a cog in the machine, so they need something to shoulder their lack of ambition. To say "Well men oppress us!" is just another scapegoat. Look at history, no matter the law of the land - there have been people that have risen above, worked in shadow and rose to power in spite of the Den of Inequity.

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#111549 - 03/01/17 06:51 PM Re: Varg Vikernes on MGTOW and Feminism. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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As XG pointed out, a lot of men don't show up because they are afraid. And she's right, the law must be challenged, and it is often the case that men must defend their rights to the bone while women get legally pampered.

A great deal of these men who have to pay alimony and child support are good working men, not dead beats. Their income is simply not enough *after payments are extracted to keep up a decent living.


Cry me a river, CN. The primary reason why men don't show up at court to demand child custody is because they are lazy asses who most of the time are glad that the burden of bringing up a child is taken off their shoulders. Most prefer to pay the child support money (which in my country is ridiculously low) than put an effort into looking after their own offspring. It's good if they are responsible enough to support the child financially because plenty of males do everything possible, including hiding their incomes or getting paid under the table, to avoid paying the child support.

I remember how it was with my own daddy. My father didn't want to pay the child support so when I was underage, my mother had to sue him. When I grew up but was still studying, I had to fight for the money myself. I didn't get the money automatically. I had to convince the judge that I really needed the money, that I couldn't do without it and that my study schedule wouldn't let me get a job. My dad wasn't even angry with me but was happy he had his precious freedom. Now he's over 60 (God bless his soul) and still lives the life of Casanova.

If I were to speak from experience, I could say that all men are good for nothing. You would then probably protest and say I'm overgeneralizing. And rightly so. For sure, there are men who are responsible and take care of their families. It takes both to tango. When the relationship breaks, whether it's a formal marriage or just partnership, usually both parties are to blame. Some men and also women are not a material for a husband, wife or a father, mother. I don't know about you. You sound bitter. Either you haven't met a suitable woman for yourself yet, or you got your ass kicked by life too many times or, perhaps, you aren't such a poor innocent guy you seem to portray yourself to be.


Edited by Czereda (03/01/17 06:58 PM)
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