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#111931 - 03/21/17 01:25 PM The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic)
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What happened to the Native Americans? And no, the answer isn't Casinos and Reservations.

More like tribal strife. Internecine warfare. The same shit that ensures 85% of the African continent will always be the dung-heap of humanity.

These fucking idiots can't even get out of their own way. One people by nature, but divided unnaturally by inbreeding (sounds counterintuitive, right?)

Too much focus on what might be best described as a primitive concept of "gene purity," and not enough on the genetic diversity which benefits all gene-holders.

Tribalism, as a survival strategy, certainly has a place. Even among our species. But we can clearly see that an excess is a nadir with regard to what might commonly be called "standard of living."


Edited by Megatron (03/21/17 01:30 PM)
Edit Reason: p.s. what I'm saying is that the Native Americans could have defeated the colonists if they were more unified and less tribal.
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#111933 - 03/21/17 02:46 PM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Megatron]
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Balance with nature failed the test anyway. You must condense, consume, multiply, take what you want, and justify it with magical thinking, that's the American (civilized) way.
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#111934 - 03/21/17 03:13 PM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Balance with nature failed the test anyway. You must condense, consume, multiply, take what you want, and justify it with magical thinking, that's the American (civilized) way.


No. I can't agree with that. But who cares what the fuck I agree with, right?

The history of the "civilized" world is rather interesting.

Unending war, perpetual slavery, heinous torture, disease that rots the very flesh off your bones.

But also art. Music. Good food. And leisure best of all (or at least that's what Mammon says).

Balance? That's exactly what's required. Just the right kind of balance. We don't hug tigers for a reason. "Balance with nature" is a fluid concept. Perhaps balance with "your own" should have come first . . .
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#111935 - 03/21/17 03:43 PM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Megatron]
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Balance? That's exactly what's required. Just the right kind of balance. We don't hug tigers for a reason. "Balance with nature" is a fluid concept. Perhaps balance with "your own" should have come first . . .


Well, this depends what path one chooses to balance themselves with. If it's about attainment, don't give me that overcoming/transcension bullshit. 

A personal 'balanced' approach can embrace adversity and use it as motivation. It's not about transcension, but transgression - which in itself is a way to transcend.

But, now we're drifting a bit...
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#111951 - 03/22/17 10:32 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Megatron]
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Defeat the colonists? Fuck, they can't even stop a pipeline. They are not great at manipulating the public either. The sort that support their endeavor are just as idiotic and tribal.

To get out of their own way would require total abandonment of their entitlements. They are not special people. They were weak, they were defeated, as a consolation they were given lands. Lands, they are incapable of developing in a modern age. The Elders all need to die off for the youth to stand clear of their influences.

Maybe then, something more than begging the U.S. government for a hand-out will come from them.


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#112061 - 03/30/17 03:53 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Megatron]
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But they did win!

They took a step back and played a more decent game.
It's a cheap cop-out proclaiming Casino's and Reservations don't count. They're the pinnacle of Tribalism! Social coherence and culture in a rigid structure which withstood the test of time.

Traditions preserved and modernized. We may think it is a game when pulling the lever, they let you pull your own trigger.
Every slot machine is an inventive weapon which robs you of your resources and lets you crave for more.

Tribalism won you dense mofo.
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#112062 - 03/30/17 04:57 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Dimitri]
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Traditions preserved and modernized. We may think it is a game when pulling the lever, they let you pull your own trigger.
Every slot machine is an inventive weapon which robs you of your resources and lets you crave for more.


Pre-gaming Indian reservations were wastelands of few resources, minimum education, anger, and addiction. While there were the few who passed on their tradition most wanted to "live the dream".

White America's guilt supports Indian gaming in the same way a black person gets more GPA leniency in consideration for college scholarships.  It was a no-brainer when Indian gaming laws were first drafted. 

Tribalism didn't win as much as the 1/16 blood requirement most tribes require to take a share in casino profits reinvigorated pride in identity. 
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#112064 - 03/30/17 09:40 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Not to mention that having Casinos and other businesses doesn't necessary make the Reservation. Today, many are plagued with drugs, trafficking, alcoholism and a lack of ambition to do better.

These people are crying for Federal money because they just aren't making it.
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#112070 - 03/30/17 03:51 PM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: SIN3]
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These people are crying for Federal money because they just aren't making it.


Capitalism won and greed won. For those at the top too much communal sharing dilutes overall take and infinity pools can't buy themselves. But at least they took 3 days revenue and built a new school house and fire station.
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#112108 - 04/03/17 07:26 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: CanisMachina42]
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No one ever said victory should be sweet.
Sometimes is a win a win. Just to make and have a point.



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#112228 - 04/07/17 11:29 PM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Dimitri]
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The Native Americans were at war with each other long before the white man came with gun powder to stint their going-ons.

People make friends in the face of the enemy. When they can't find a mutual foe, they turn on each other.

For whatever reason may come to be.

Where there is a will, there is a way.

War with the self, that's another matter.


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#112264 - 04/10/17 09:37 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Dimitri]
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Dimi,

Can you tell me which are the richest of Reservations? Is it a fair shake among the people in those tribes?

Many are still seeking Federal Funding not because they are due but because they are failing. In that regard the cultural identity of the "Native American", "First American", et. al isn't benefiting from Unity.

In fact, those that reject it and join the rest of society seem to do a lot better and with much success.
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#112269 - 04/10/17 12:58 PM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: SIN3]
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Like I said before. A win is sometimes a win.
I'm not from the U.S. and I can't guess which reservation is "the richest".

Despite the poverty and state of affairs certain "tribes" live in, they can still honour their authentic culture. In the end they more or less won their battle and made a point for tribalism. Sure, you can see them as having lost more (resources) than gained (and probably dwindling if they did have gains)... but their culture "survived" albeit in a metaphysical/spiritual way.

Even despite that, people still gather and share. I see it with immigrants here. They get "assimilated" into our Culture but will still continue to hold up ties with their own... which explains the principle of "gangs", "ghetto's" and "territories" in big cities. It's inherent of human nature to form tribes and groups on different levels. You've got different groups of friends and associates here on the internet, within your family, friends IRL and among collegues. Those things there are the very basis of Tribalism. Perhaps not evolved towards an entire culture with different practices etc... but still.
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#114474 - 09/24/17 11:46 AM Re: The importance of cultural unity (a troll topic) [Re: Dimitri]
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What is celebrated in their authentic culture if most ascribe to Christendom and American Nationalism?

The tribes themselves can't even agree what is authentic or whether it should be honored. Ancestor worship is one example. If elders refuse to modernize, repeat failed systems, what if anything is useful to the current generation?
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