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#112065 - 03/30/17 11:17 AM Russia! Russia! Russia!
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Did anyone else watch the committee meeting on Russian meddling?

LINK to video

They aren't letting this go. They are reaching for shit.
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#112067 - 03/30/17 12:28 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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I'm tired of this trope for one reason: _______________

no spoiler tag.

Everyone that voted did so of their own will, and the collective consequence of that process is President Trump. Nothing else matters at this point. Except literally everything else.


Edited by Megatron (03/30/17 12:29 PM)
Edit Reason: I figured I'd go with a pastel. You know, for Easter.
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#112072 - 03/30/17 04:21 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Megatron]
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 Originally Posted By: JK
Except literally everything else.


It's one of those teasing the dog scenarios. The January intelligence reports makes some pretty bold assertions without any real evidence to back it up. The details are everything from a consorted effort to spread fake news, hacking, phishing scams, bloggers, and news agencies propagating it all. As if that's not something that goes on in the U.S. As if it was a calculated measure of influence when the reality is more likely to be gobbeldygook and performed by thousands of people not even working together.

That report was used into today's meeting, and pretty every "Russian Expert" towed the party line of a long history of Russian meddling in world affairs. It's pretty much public theater to convince the public that Russia is enemy #1. Meanwhile, Putin agreed to meet with Trump in the upcoming Arctic Summit. Maybe Russia will wait to take action after that summit, maybe they will sit idle and bide their time. Either way, Russia obsession hasn't lost popularity with the old guard.

Thing to remember also is the waste of tax spending on these meetings, hearings, investigations etc. to find out what? That Podesta was a dolt that fell for a phishing scam? That individuals spread propaganda and rhetoric like the rest of the world does?

The U.S. is outright accusing the Kremlin of the very thing its mouth pieces are doing. For what purpose and to what end? Pretty sure Aquino has been belting out books for the past year on this very thing. Mind games, psychological warfare, etc. and its likelihood of just feeding the war machine.

As for the voting process, Trump is a result of the Electoral College vote. Even if people really believe they played an active role in 'Democracy' they are kidding themselves. They can pic and electorate but that electorate doesn't have to side with the popular vote. Hell, Obama won a term that way and all that hoo-ha died off after a year and he became America's sweet heart.

Just add this to the pot of shit-stew that further weakens the image of the country. Life goes on, same shit with different flies but shit is fascinating to watch.

It's all fun and games until someone declares war.
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#112074 - 03/30/17 07:59 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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Well can't go after China, now can they?

This administration proved it's role by criticizing the "One China" policy, backpeddling immediately, and becoming "paper tiger".

The Cold War was the pinnacle of good old patriotic values, hard work ethic, and lock step moral superiority. Nothing says America like reliving red scare paranoia. But because you can't admit it's all about Muslims you need too overemphasize a conflict with Russia and reinforce the need for isolationism. This despite that Chinese investment is the strength of the dollar.

It's like Trump called Putin after he won and said, 'member the cold war?

Trump is America's Ayatollah peddling an "old school" Obama-like hope to the lowest common denominator.
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#112075 - 03/30/17 08:48 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I remember laughing as I reposted that meme that showed the USA red blue voting map, and the key had Liberals and Russian Spies. Countries spy on each other all the time for their own self-preservation - as they should.

But the notion that somehow Russia snuck into people's living rooms and influenced voters was ridiculous. TV influences people for sure. I don't live there but I don't know of any sitcom that depicts Russia being the cool dudes and them cool dudes supporting Trump. There is no Real Housewives of Russia or Modern Russian Families(to my knowledge).

But my favourite Russian story by far was the one where Russia put up cameras in the hotel and filmed Trump coercing prostitutes into pissing on the bed the Obama slept in... and then used the film to blackmail Trump! Genius script but doesn't belong in the news.

Trump is the stone in the left shoe off the NWO. He opposes open borders and doesn't support their climate scare Air Tax agenda... They won't stop ever until there is a tag on his political toe!
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#112076 - 03/31/17 03:07 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: ShadowLover]
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 Originally Posted By: SL
They won't stop ever until there is a tag on his political toe!


If only Trump was the type to fuck around on his wife America could have more impeachment hearings.

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But the notion that somehow Russia snuck into people's living rooms and influenced voters was ridiculous. TV influences people for sure...


That's not far off, but it's domestic.

Consensus political opinion is like a goldfish brain. It feeds on the flakes sprinkled at the top , swims in circles, and can't recognize its own reflection.

The winning President is always of the party who's policies look better per the prevailing or invented crises.

Being largely desensitized to terrorism and with the economy is good health, all Trump need do is remind the goldfish that the opposition represented that liberal agenda to make America faggot-ass Europe.  He sold himself through outspoken rhetoric and it resonated with the growing anger in that regard.

Obama used this same move to capitalize on a housing crises and sell some of those very same voters "hope". 

In 4 years the goldfish will come full circle and again make decisions like they're judging the character of people on "The Real Housewives".

Good thing there are cultural elites to make sure the real power flows through contracts, kickbacks, lobbying, and venture capital.
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#112077 - 03/31/17 06:21 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
As for the voting process, Trump is a result of the Electoral College vote. Even if people really believe they played an active role in 'Democracy' they are kidding themselves. They can pic and electorate but that electorate doesn't have to side with the popular vote.


I know it's an unpopular (pun intended) position, especially currently, but I support the concept of the electoral college. It guarantees that POTUS must have broad voter support, not deep voter support. I still remember the run up to the election in which literally every pundit left, right, and center were arguing that Trump had no "path to 270." Oops.

What it really boils down to, in my opinion, is that the American people are, by and large, fucking idiots. Just look at that lady who credits non-existent "Trumpcare" for saving her son's insurance. It was actually Obamacare, you clueless idiot. I could probably spend all day compiling similar stories. Like those fucking morons who think Michelle Obama is really a man. I'm not going to link that one, it's just that fucking retarded.

At the end of the day, this is still a representative democracy. We're just really good at getting the government we deserve. Not ideal by any means, but the one we deserve. At least collectively, as a pack dominated by stupidity.
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#112083 - 03/31/17 10:27 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Megatron]
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 Originally Posted By: JK
What it really boils down to, in my opinion, is that the American people are, by and large, fucking idiots.


I also hold this opinion. Especially people in groups. They don't think, they have all their thoughts handed to them.

Today's public opinion polls show that they buy this narrative lock stock and barrel. It was painful to listen to talk radio callers parrot off (nearly verbatim) words from speakers in the committee; as if they were their own. That's what we're working with here in this country.

The bulk of the populace are unintelligible and it wouldn't matter what government was in place. Self-governance isn't even a consideration.
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#112175 - 04/06/17 02:06 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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If there was Russian influence then it must have been by image-sharing sites as I can only remember "memes" being posted about our good friend Putin.

Shit will probably be dug up. It wil be thinly spread as to give an impression of a far greater complot.

All in all, media was too busy reporting about the shenenigans of the former presidential candidates that I even doubt a "Russian botnet" would have had the impact they wanted it to have.

It reminds me for the demand of electoral re-count. Funny shit happened there. This would probably be on the same terms.

The Cold War never ended. It only became more political.
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#112184 - 04/06/17 09:44 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimi
The Cold War never ended. It only became more political.


I agree on this point.

There were also meme campaigns to turn Putin into the quintessential example of Man. Plenty of polls were taken to see how Americans felt about the guy. He seems to have a lot of popularity and for the right reasons. There's even action figures now of Putin riding a bear and stuff like that. " GO HARD LIKE PUTIN.



I do think there are admirable qualities he demonstrates in leadership by not folding to the SJW's demands. Especially when it comes to immigration.

Putin: “Russia must not be a country that anyone can enter whenever and however he likes.” “We must create the conditions for immigrants to normally integrate into our society, learn Russian and, of course, respect our culture and traditions and abide by Russian law. In this regard, I believe that the decision to make learning the Russian language compulsory and administer exams is well grounded. To do so, we will need to carry out major organisational work and introduce corresponding legislative amendments.” [ Source : -2012, Federal Migration Service Meeting]

Recent political campaigns focus on the mysterious disappearance of gays in Chechnya. As if Putin single-highhandedly scooped up all the fags and put them in camps. It seems when other nations try to set the trend, Putin stands firm on the Russian identity. It doesn't force his hand to change that point of view just because it hurt some feelings.

The media just follows the trending story. Gears shift back to Syria, and it will be War! War! War! Today's focus is on Trump changing his mind about al-Assad because he saw photos of dead children from the chemical attack. And Russia's Position on Trump.
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#112186 - 04/06/17 10:02 AM On Vladamir Putin [Re: SIN3]
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I actually think he's awesome as fuck.

Why? Because he's doing the exact best for his own people under the current geo-political umbrella.

What more can you ask of your dictator?


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#112187 - 04/06/17 10:34 AM Re: On Vladamir Putin [Re: Megatron]
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Dictator? Hardly, Russia is doing pretty well considering the Soviet Union collapse. A hell of lot better than they were. Putin is just a figure head anyway.

I'm sure you could do better than Seva Gunitsky of the Washington Post.

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But the biggest consequences of the bombing may be not in the attack itself but what it means for the short-term future of Russian politics.


Where is all the Russian dissent. Where are there riots, looting, and Molotov Cocktails?
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#112190 - 04/06/17 12:58 PM Re: On Vladamir Putin [Re: SIN3]
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I wasn't going to fuck with you being disagreeable about me agreeing with you until I saw this:

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Putin is just a figure head anyway


Sorry, he's actually the world's richest man. Person. Individual. Whatever. And he damn sure didn't get that way by being a puppet.

Trump might not admit it, but I wiil, I'm Team Putin.


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#112208 - 04/07/17 09:28 AM Re: On Vladamir Putin [Re: Megatron]
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Figure head does not equate to puppet. Just as the U.S. is not ruled by one person (dictator) neither is Russia .

Being Rich is irrelevant in terms of government but it may have an influencing factor over his popularity with the people. Their wealth doesn't play a role in the position but (like our elections) play a role in their campaign. There are minimum requirements (citizenship and residency) to qualify for candidacy.

Besides, as far as puppetry goes - he was KGB for 16 years. Just saying.


In other news...

"Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said that Russian President Vladimir Putin regarded the strike "as aggression against a sovereign nation" that was carried out "in violation of international law, and also under an invented pretext." ( source)





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#113056 - 06/06/17 09:40 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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25 Year Old, Reality Winner - Busted

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25-year-old Reality Leigh Winner was arrested on charges involving the leak of a top-secret National Security Agency document to The Intercept that detailed a Russian hacking operation targeting US voting systems.
(Source: Business Insider)

Media agencies have been publishing her Social Media account posts on Twitter. She supports Bernie Sanders, Votes Democrat and considers Trump a cunt.

The Airforce Vet could be in for a 10 year stint.

Semigogue covered it this only applies to the May classified documents that wouldn't be de-classified for decades.

The Intercept goes into more detail about the Russian phishing of voting systems. It's been reported that it was 'Military Intelligence' that performed the scam:

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The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. … The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations.


I remain skeptical. Newsies also covered the Russian MO on several radio broadcasts; saying that the Russian goal was to just create chaos vs. any organized end game.

Seems desperate.



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#113067 - 06/06/17 03:24 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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This is a fun one.

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  The assessment concluded with high confidence that the Kremlin ordered an extensive, multi-pronged propaganda effort “to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency.”


That's that name, underlying confidence.  In reality Winner's actions raise public doubt in the legitimacy of the election results, like if a sequestered juror "was influenced".  If it was a court of law it wouldn't matter how much was really influenced or to what extent, any amount is enough to declare a mistrial.

I suspect Winner had hoped for something along those lines.

The NSA has done all it could to mitigate the damage of a rogue individual listening to her "conscience", but still this is yet another feather in the cap of the "Impeach Trump" majority...

He doesn't care about _______, you know.
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#113069 - 06/06/17 04:27 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Right. The blackened out copy can be interpreted a number of ways also. The media however will continue to tow the narrative of Russian interference, as if it had some impact on the results of the Electoral College. It didn't.

When they're not screaming for impeachment they are going on about two-scoops of ice-cream, his hand and ramp phobias, wtf. Shit's too comical to take seriously.

Now, it's Trump's destroyed the planet by pulling out of the Paris Accord. Pretty sure Al Gore busted a Gasket Sunday when he was talking about fish swimming in the streets in Miami and Honolulu.

#Confound&Confuse
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#113070 - 06/06/17 05:32 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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I think the motivation comes from excerpts like this:

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The NSA has now learned, however, that Russian government hackers, part of a team with a “cyber espionage mandate specifically directed at U.S. and foreign elections,” focused on parts of the system directly connected to the voter registration process, including a private sector manufacturer of devices that maintain and verify the voter rolls.


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As described by the classified NSA report, the Russian plan was simple: pose as an e-voting vendor and trick local government employees into opening Microsoft Word documents invisibly tainted with potent malware that could give hackers full control over the infected computers.


To someone (like myself) it really does sound like a hacker can manipulate registration rolls...

What they can do with that is speculation, but one can also speculate that electors were bought by Snowball II's vote for Sideshow Bob.
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#113087 - 06/07/17 11:36 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: CanisMachina42]
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If our President was chosen by Popular vote it may be worth looking into but Electorates tend to have their own mindsets and just use the polling results as guidance.

At any rate, what he intel fails to prove is that the phishing was performed by Russian officials in any capacity.
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#113198 - 06/14/17 04:40 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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Go here and click the "Download" button to hear the show. All parts of it are interesting, but the segment on "Russia-gate" is particularly good.
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#113210 - 06/14/17 05:40 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Megatron]
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 Originally Posted By: Megatron
I actually think he's awesome as fuck.

Why? Because he's doing the exact best for his own people under the current geo-political umbrella.

What more can you ask of your dictator?


Very true!
Don't forget though that Mr. Putin is not a person of a good blood...
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#113216 - 06/15/17 02:40 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Naama]
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How is NY these days? Is it all touchey feeley to?

Fuck I hope not.
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#113218 - 06/15/17 06:30 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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You asking me it's an offtop big time and there is no way for me to discern on that level
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#113219 - 06/15/17 10:19 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I gave it a listen. The most astute observation made was that the U.S. fails to follow national/international law when it comes to Afghanistan. So why would it when it comes to Russia? [cross thread to Due Process ]

The comments made about ingrained and taught sentiment about Russia are based in truth. You should hear some of the conversations I spark when I wear my Putin shirt. When I ask opposers why they hate Putin or Russia so much, I get the text book responses about communism and his previous career in the KGB. More often than not, they are Bernie supporters. You could kick the elephant in the room, and it would remain unnoticed.

Just this morning on AM radio, the commenters were making fun of Oliver Stone and how far his hand was up Putin's ass. They kept quoting him to have said "Putin is the greatest man I've ever met." then fall back on Stone having no credibility to voice such an opinion because he doesn't believe we landed on the moon.

What a mess. Pretty sad to see so many people fall for the propaganda and tow the party line when it comes to Russia.

Veterans for Sanity continue to populate: this article

Here we are 10 months later, no evidence. It wasn't a hack. Podesta is just an idiot. Now, our government has moved on to obstruction of justice and Trump is right to troll them.
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#113220 - 06/15/17 11:17 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Naama]
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I guess NY and Russia are two different places. It was a joke that went nowhere. But hey, how often do these threads really stay on topic? What fun would that be?

The whole thing with Russia comes down to resources, that's all it is. We're two different cultures, but we share common interest in how we live in an industrial sense.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
You should hear some of the conversations I spark when I wear my Putin shirt. When I ask opposers why they hate Putin or Russia so much, I get the text book responses about communism and his previous career in the KGB. More often than not, they are Bernie supporters. You could kick the elephant in the room, and it would remain unnoticed.


You might as well fuck with people. About all their damn good for sometimes is a laugh.

Just last night I got bored, stared conversation at the bar, got along great with some people and encouraged them to be loud and obnoxious, and they did!

One guy in particular, we had shared interests, got along, made loud drunk imitations of comedians and whatnot. As our drunken conversation got more into life and death, he asked me about souls. I said I don't believe in souls, I believe in the here and now is what you make it. I told him I am self centred and self concerned, no greater good in my book. The world is what it is. I don't believe in god, basically.

Ho. Lee. Shit.

I mentioned Frederick Nietzsche and existentialism because they were telling me I was a Nhilist, but I said I'm not. I believe there is meaning to life, and its simple.

Live life! That's the meaning of life, living!

This was rejected as Nhilism to. Then the guy said he regretted speaking to me and said I was supporting a self centered Nazi figure (Nietzsche). I said as far as I know the guy wasn't a Nazi.

The guy proceeded to feel guilty about associating with me, told me I was in league with 'dark ones!' Mind you, I really didn't say a lot here. I mentioned satan all of once, saying I didn't care if people point the finger and call me a devil just for having an oppsing view. I wasn't acting belligerent in any way either, I was just talking, no mention of Satanism or being a Satanist.

By the time we left, he kept up telling me GET OUT DEMON! I know who you are dark one! YOu're in league with SATAN!

I said I didn't care, and I really don't. I even told him I thought he had a funny sense of humour, and he said GO DEMON! Don't speak to me!

So having been exorcised from the premesis, I threw up my hands and walked off, but he followed me asking why. Why what? Why have you sold yourself to Satan?!

I said I didn't, and to have safe travels.

Point is, it doesn't matter with these people anymore. They're just fucking insane. Its funny as shit to me most of the time. I think he did wonder why I wasn't upset about his or everyone else's rejection of me. It was mostly the alcohol at that point anyway.

You present any opposing view, and even if you DO get along real well, people just fuck all anyway and go nuts! It shows how deep these ideas really go I guess.

You might as well take the opportunity for a good laugh.
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#113223 - 06/15/17 01:24 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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It's the same kind of stupid as always, just a different color scheme. The same kind of idiocy that keeps reminding me Trump's Aproval rating is in the 30's, or anything including the buzzwords, "impeachment" and now "obstruction" are like those who would call the Obama administration "socialist" and "NWO".

The SJW 1/2 spin opposite of the Evangelitard, if one were to stereotype.

Sensationalism, when used liberally, is symbiotic to the sensational. This, due to the "desperation variance".
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#113228 - 06/15/17 03:53 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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KGB is a bad Karma, Sin...

Even if your mission on this Earth is destruction, still those dimensions are little bit ugly disgusting too much...

Before Russian Revolution in 1917 that dirt was kept invisible and unexisted...
Plebeys rule after 1917... And all that NKVD stems from it
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#113231 - 06/16/17 10:08 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Naama]
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It was a different time. There were also reforms in the 60's and in the late 80's. I don't see why it would be bad Karma for Putin, he defends the Soviet era intelligence to this day because he thinks it was good for Russia at the time. Every country spies, infiltrates and corrupts. I watched an interview a while back in Russian that focused on the criminalization of the Russian economy. It reminded me a lot of how corruption affects the continent of Africa. When capital is constantly sent out of country, it can destabilize an economy and cause collapse.

What specific actions did the KGB take (while Putin was in) that you find disgusting? Can you provide specifics? It would help to understand your point of view.
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#113255 - 06/19/17 07:52 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Naama]
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NKVD was the Russian secret police from '34 to '46 while KGB was security agency from '54 to '91. The NKVD was formed under Joseph Stalin and was renamed to KGB when Nikita Khrushchev took power. What is very interesting is that the agency was led by Genrikh Yagoda (executed in 1938), Nikolai Yezhov (executed in 1940) and Lavrentiy Beria (executed in 1953). That is quite a bad Karma...
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#113420 - 07/11/17 04:10 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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This administration is...

It's now officially almost Watergate.

Not quite breaking into the DNC office, but some might say it's worse.

Is the act of meeting with a Russian lawyer enough to turn Trump into Nixon reincarnate?
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#113421 - 07/11/17 04:36 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
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Is the act of meeting with a Russian lawyer enough to turn Trump into Nixon reincarnate?


This is a different animal. Don jr. is falling on his sword. He released emails that made it clear his intent was to collaborate with the Russian government to gain an edge on the campaign trail. That it didnt pan out gives Trump sr. a chance to save himself; however, he isnt even defending his son, except to praise him for his "transparency." Not the usual tweet fest about fake news. Shits becoming real.

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#113422 - 07/11/17 05:10 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: samowens84]
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Wasn't there also a Hillary angle, where emails were going to be shared that showed a clear relationship there?

Even if Jr's intent was to work with the Russian government (that's rather ambiguous anyway) doesn't mean it panned out for him.
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#113423 - 07/11/17 05:17 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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That it didnt pan out gives Trump sr. a chance to save himself; however, he isnt even defending his son, except to praise him for his "transparency." Not the usual tweet fest about fake news. Shits becoming real.


I dont think it should matter. The meeting is enough.

It seems the goal is to hamper this guys administration and render it impotant, or otherwise unable to move without every tiny detail being scrutinized.

It seems to be working. This time he has absolve himself by letting his son take the fall for him, like the honorless punk bitch he is.

Wonder what will happen next?

*post response edit


Edited by CanisMachina42 (07/11/17 05:48 PM)
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#113424 - 07/11/17 05:40 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
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That it didnt pan out gives Trump sr. a chance to save himself; however, he isnt even defending his son, except to praise him for his "transparency." Not the usual tweet fest about fake news. Shits becoming real.


I dont think it should matter.

It seems the goal is to hamper this guys administration and render it impotant, or otherwise unable to move without every tiny detail being scrutinized.

It seems to be working. He has to let his son take the fall for him, like the honorless punk bitch he is.

Wonder what is next?


Of course he has enemies who's goal is to render him impotent, but the administration certainly seems to be a willing acomplise in their own demise

@Sin3 Yes, it was a Hillary and Russia angle. Yes, the meeting apparently didnt pan out, and neither did the Hillary thing. Also she isnt president, and I dont think the lewer matters.

Also, I'm not sure how "ambiguous" the alleged collusion really is. "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump.” This is part of an email from Rob Goldstein to Trump Jr. To which he allegesly replied "if it is what you say it is, I love it."
(I'm having a harder time actually tracking down Jr's response.That may be deliberate.However, Goldsteins email is a primary source. But I dont see anyone claiming the emails were misrepresented.)

I grant that it isnt a hundred percent, but I guarantee you this is not going away.


Edited by samowens84 (07/11/17 06:16 PM)

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#113425 - 07/11/17 06:46 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: samowens84]
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Anyone who believes anything they're hearing from the American media or DC establishment re: Russia is a naive dupe. Neocon/lib Russophobes are world class, professional subversives, liars and war-mongers; they have been doing this sort of thing for centuries. Anyway, Putin is a BOSS KGB judo master and America is a declining, degenerate empire led by faggots, feminists and bolsheviks. Better to be controlled by him than led by the weak buffoons elected in our fagocracy. Eurasia is the next center of world power; Anglo-faggots will be driven off the world island and into the sea! Viva Putin and the new Eurasian Empire!

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#113433 - 07/12/17 09:25 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Brother Nihil]
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BroNil, I think there's way more skepticism of the narrative than there is belief. The Never Trumpers just hate the guy that much they are looking for anything that would remove him from office. An email exchange about intel can be twisted in a number of ways to show 'collusion' but it wasn't Trump himself; so I don't know that there is any levity there unless the smoking gun is something tangible that proves he put Jr. up to it.

It's all grasping at straws.

Jr insists it's just opposition research. Just because it's not a customary practice, doesn't mean what he did was illegal.

The narrative the Dems were selling hard was there was a direct link with the Trump family colluding with Russian officials. Neither an attorney representing a pop star or a publicist is an official. Email Transcript

Basically it amounts to gossip, none of which gave the Trump campaign the intel they needed. Jr. was only directly communicating with Rob, not the Crown Prosecutor.

This is precisely why Trump is in fact defending his son. Link



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#113435 - 07/12/17 01:50 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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Grasping at straws.


Russia denied having any influence or contact during the election process.

A lawyer meeting with the fucking campaign manager during the campaign is enough.

Clinton got nailed by his witch hunt for lying about fucking an intern.

He did not have sexual relations like Trump didn't authorize that meeting.

The common thread is the same.

The opposing party doesn't like the result, so now they dredge the lakebed for any piece of debris.

And it appears they found something.
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#113447 - 07/13/17 09:04 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: CanisMachina42]
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By official government yes, (not contact, just direct influence) and seeing that there doesn't appear to be any evidence aside he said, she said gossipy stuff; it's still yet to be proven. This is why the Dems keep harping on keeping the investigation on-going (at Tax payer expense mind you). They haven't found the smoking gun. Not sure if they ever will but the idea is to keep populating negative press about the Trumps.

By that logic, the American Media is the most influential of all isn't it? Alas, that's Americans influencing other Americans.

In a recent poll, despite all the hullaboo, people still think Trump has a good chance of getting re-elected in 2020.

There's also a spark of Celebrity throwing down. Over 120 people have already put their names in for President for the next election. Would you rather have The Rock next term? Either way, it's all a show, sit back and enjoy the entertainment.
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#113465 - 07/14/17 06:23 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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It's not just Democratic Party sour grapes over losing the election that keeps the Washington establishment pushing hostility rather than friendship with Russia. A "big enemy" is needed to justify permanent massive arms production and PhysWar military expense. Mere assorted Arab "terrorism" is too small. Orwell nailed it:

 Originally Posted By: George Orwell, 1984
War, it will be seen, accomplishes the necessary destruction, but accomplishes it in a psychologically acceptable way. In principle it would be quite simple to waste the surplus labour of the world by building temples and pyramids, by digging holes and filling them up again, or even by producing vast quantities of goods and then setting fire to them. But this would provide only the economic and not the emotional basis for a hierarchical society. What is concerned here is not the morale of masses, whose attitude is unimportant so long as they are kept steadily at work, but the morale of the Party itself. Even the humblest Party member is expected to be competent, industrious, and even intelligent within narrow limits, but it is also necessary that he should be a credulous and ignorant fanatic whose prevailing moods are fear, hatred, adulation, and orgiastic triumph. In other words it is necessary that he should have the mentality appropriate to a state of war. It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going well or badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist.

Problem today is that nukes on both sides are on an even shorter hair trigger than during the Cold War. Just pne mistake and ...
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#113518 - 07/19/17 11:28 AM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Certainly, the war machine requires feeding. In other news, when we've managed to ally all nations, we can move on to Space Games. The Final Frontier.

So then the justifications can be transposed to an inter-galactic threat vs. a terrestrial one.

Meanwhile in Russia... the brightest star is going to cause issues for astronomers. Blasted bright light... Though it wasn't exactly a shock, the announcement came Last February With all the propagated tensions, the 2014 rumor that it was going to be an orbital weapon have resurfaced.



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#113551 - 07/20/17 06:24 PM Re: Russia! Russia! Russia! [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
... the 2014 rumor that it was going to be an orbital weapon have resurfaced.

At a time when there's a 5-minute window from nuke-launch to target, orbital weapons are beside the point: a toy for the James Bond movie Diamons Are Forever.

What the Earth needs to make it quit all the planetary squabbling is a serious UFO threat, aka War of the Worlds. Occasional visits to suck up cows and have sex with housewives isn't going to cut it. In one of the episodes of the original Outer Limits, a conspiracy of scientists modified one of themselves into an artificial "alien" to simulate a threat to Earth to bring about such a unifying peace: "Architects of Fear"
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