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#113134 - 06/09/17 10:26 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: Bacchus]
Creatura Noptii Offline
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It is you and your ilk who are founded on empty phrases that go fuck all nowhere.

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Not for you tough guy


Oh yes it is. See, the American standard is that you earn your keep. America is going through a phase of weakness right now, but despite our flaws, we're still Number One. Your either jealous because you don't live here, or you can't admit that your incapable of holding your own in a country of individual pursuit.

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state-employed bitches, shlomo professors, political faggots


Like you? A fucking bitch in a faggot pecking order? Maybe you'd like to go to a little safe space in Canada with compelled speech. By all means. But it won't save you from my red-blooded American vulgarity.

Difference between my tribe and yours, is that while they're nice to have, we don't need membership cards.

We have guns.

...and motorcycles, rock 'n roll, and of course Star Trek.

Now go suck a Gilmore dick. Your free to do as much.
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#113135 - 06/09/17 11:45 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: Creatura Noptii]
Bacchus Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
Oh yes it is. See, the American standard is that you earn your keep.


How much do YOU earn? You sound like someone fit enough for menial jobs. So tell me, does hard work really pays off as they say?

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
America is going through a phase of weakness right now, but despite our flaws, we're still Number One.


Number one in what?

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
Your either jealous because you don't live here, or you can't admit that your incapable of holding your own in a country of individual pursuit.


I'm so jealous because I don't yet live in a diverse jungle where all the minorities enjoy more favors from the institutions than me. No wonder you sound so edgy online since you've been forced to eat shit since kindergarten.

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
Like you? A fucking bitch in a faggot pecking order?


I've actually left a lucrative corporate carrier because I don't stand that (unnatural) order.

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
Maybe you'd like to go to a little safe space in Canada with compelled speech. By all means. But it won't save you from my red-blooded American vulgarity.


It's not American vulgarity or machismo that I find repulsive as much as stupidity. Remember, the same midwestern population that elected a modest nationalist Trump elected Obama. Same godfearin' cornpones. Same dumb rednecks like your self.

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
We have guns.


I guess you could repel your ghetto antipodes in a 'shit hits the fan' scenario (assuming the army remains neutral) but that's not the real strength of a nation. The only reason America can afford moronic social experiments is favorable geographic position which makes you relatively safe from outside but soft and rotting from the inside. If America bordered with Germany, Russia or Japan I'd put my bets on these more collectivist, more Spartan societies.

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#113137 - 06/10/17 01:35 AM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Whatever became of the CoS in recent times... I can't be bothered.
They are no longer the number one revenue nor have the standing to boost about past accomplishments.

If someone is willing to join their little congregation then it is up to them for the follow-up.
As such it would be wrong to deify the idea of a "Satanic individual" while most of the self-professed ones generally are still sucking the company's/College/society's/mom's teat.

It's safe to assume that at least 3/4 of the people are still within a pecking order... and the other 1/4 probably getting screwed by their customers in one way or another.

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
It is you and your ilk who are founded on empty phrases that go fuck all nowhere.


Now, where it concerns that part...
I believe legislation and jurisdiction in the U.S. is so important by reason the general populace, at large, lacks a bit of common sense and needs to rely on others to cover their shit through lawsuits. It is well-known in the rest of the world that the U.S. is the country where doofusses sue companies because they didn't include the disclaimer "cats cannot be speed-dried in the microwave".

Not to mention the many discussions being held where it concerns the bill of rights no one seems to get a general gist of..

But hey.. GO 'MURICA!!
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#113138 - 06/10/17 02:07 AM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: Dimitri]
Creatura Noptii Offline
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So tell me, does hard work really pays off as they say?


Yeah. It does. When I make it so.

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Number one in what?


GO FUCK YOURSELF.

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It's safe to assume that at least 3/4 of the people are still within a pecking order... and the other 1/4 probably getting screwed by their customers in one way or another.


So the world turns.

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But hey.. GO 'MURICA!!


Damn strait.

We got CCR.
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#113139 - 06/10/17 04:24 AM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: Dimitri]
LoneWolf78 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Whatever became of the CoS in recent times... I can't be bothered.


I know what you mean. But sometimes, sometimes it is just fun to engage in blood sport, such as with our friend Bacchus.

Plus, there is also the optimistic part of me that hopes that some folks will see this site, the posts, etc, and educate themselves.
When Dan Dread said this earlier on,

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Ya not too many CoS types here. They usually split when they realize there is no ass to kiss or line to toe.


I couldn't have said it better myself.

Likewise, when Dan asked me this,

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
LOL, did they kick you out or something?


back at the beginning of this thread, it was a good question, but the implication was wrong. What brought me here was the fact that I have NEVER been the type to take anything at face value. That just isn't my style. I studied about anything I could get my hands on when it came to the CoS, what it was, and eventually whet it became. There were just certain claims that folks are now making that didn't go along with the CoS's past.

On the other hand, I had heard all of the bad mouthing of the CoS in regards to Dr. Aquino.

I do not believe in censorship in any arena. Especially from an organization that claims that they champion individuality, freedom, and the alternative to herd mentality. However, when on any of their forums there are certain topics, such as detractors, former movers and shakers within the old organization, etc that are all but forbidden to be brought up. Hell, these days there is a squabble if you buy your Baphomet medallion from anyone other than their authorized seller. Also, they claim to be the only show in town, the one true Church of Satan.

Now, let's put just a tiny amount of thought into this shall we? While I am sure that most here are very familiar with what I have just described, where else have we heard about this kind of behavior? Oh, right, that would be the churches of Christianity. So, bringing me to my second issue, hypocrisy. I can't stand it.

As it is, I found this place. When I saw that Dr. Aquino was on here it was an added bonus. I wanted to hear the other side. I wanted to explore the "forbidden" names and topics of the current CoS. After all, when one side does not allow certain things to be discussed, whether they are hiding something or not, telling the truth or not, becomes irrelevant. Because by not allowing the open discussion and free flow of ideas it certainly looks as though someone is hiding something or being dishonest. It's a loss of credibility in my book.

I am pleased to say that I have not seen that on these boards. Unlike Gilmore, or Anton LaVey before him, Dr. Aquino does come on here he has told his story, made his case, put himself up for scrutiny and accepted challenges. Whether you agree with him or disagree with him that makes him a stand up guy.

On the topic of censorship. I have yet to see anyone censored for bringing up subjects that may not agree with some of the posters on here. Hell, I think that there are quite a few (myself included) that enjoy the rough and tumble from time to time. The only time I have seen anyone banned has been when they have either been a troll or blatantly stupid. I have seen the CoS discussed on here, as well as ToS, ToV, TST, O9A, and I am sure that there are others that I am missing. The point is that all is discussed, nothing is censored and there isn't the sanctimonious attitude of there only being one true way.

Hypocrisy? I haven't seen that either. It says, "The 600 Club Community of Satanism & the Occult". It seems like it is true to what it espouses to be.

There is one thing though that I haven't seen on here: I have not seen one self identified current member of the CoS or it's priesthood come out of their "safe zones" to these boards to put their opinions up and see if they can stand a challenge.

Now, that would be entertaining.

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#113740 - 08/04/17 03:39 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: LoneWolf78]
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I never understood why if the Church of Satan wants to get away from spirituality so much, why don't they start with knocking off the word "Church" from their organization...

I know for myself and other sinister types that it's a real turnoff and everything they ever do or say is always going to be overshadowed by that gimmick. It was shocking back in the 60's and 70's, now, it is the joke.

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#113743 - 08/04/17 04:59 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: 97and107]
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I think it is all a part of Peter Gilmore's identity crisis. This is reflected not only of his back peddling and white washing of Anton LaVey, but also in his appearance.

Peter Gilmore has sported so many different looks since he has been in the CoS that it is hard to keep up with. I have seen him with his head shaved, short haired, only a mustache, crew cut, big beard, school boy hair cut and a Santa Clause beard. Not to mention his eyebrows have seen a drastic change. I mean he has to be 60 years old, yet he still is always changing his appearance. This is reflective of how he runs the CoS really.

After he founded the CoS, you never saw Anton LaVey change his appearance.

Since Dr. Aquino has been in the public eye he has not changed his appearance.

Then again, these men both understood their roles and were secure. Which is more than the state of the CoS as it is today.

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#113745 - 08/04/17 05:23 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: LoneWolf78]
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Yeah I guess "The Satanic Institute" doesn't infer a priesthood of control so much as a cooperative mood...

Churches are all about control, groupthink and hierarchies... the Church of Satan is no different.

Forbidden topics should be the first red flag!

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#113758 - 08/05/17 01:27 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: 97and107]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: 97and107
Churches are all about control, groupthink and hierarchies... the Church of Satan is no different. Forbidden topics should be the first red flag!

Agreed of course with regard to conventional religions. Since they are based on lies, they can't tolerate them being exposed or questioned.

In the 1966-75 Church of Satan and 1975+ Temple of Set, there are no forbidden topics - except for advocacy of criminal actions such as child or animal harm.

The Priesthood in both of these also did/does not see itself as a "control" group, but rather a resource and advice one. Once again the III°+ is expected to take care that affiliated individuals do not jeapodize others, or the Church/Temple, by unethical or illegal actions.
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#113760 - 08/06/17 01:02 AM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: 97and107
Churches are all about control, groupthink and hierarchies... the Church of Satan is no different. Forbidden topics should be the first red flag!

Agreed of course with regard to conventional religions. Since they are based on lies, they can't tolerate them being exposed or questioned.

In the 1966-75 Church of Satan and 1975+ Temple of Set, there are no forbidden topics - except for advocacy of criminal actions such as child or animal harm.

The Priesthood in both of these also did/does not see itself as a "control" group, but rather a resource and advice one. Once again the III°+ is expected to take care that affiliated individuals do not jeapodize others, or the Church/Temple, by unethical or illegal actions.


Alright, so, a Priesthood that is composed of walking encyclopedias and counselors.

Why not call them teachers and counselors? If it's due to the religious aspect, then we're back to religious ideas.

"Setians believe that Set is the one real god and that he has aided humanity by giving them a questioning intellect, the "Black Flame", which distinguishes them from other animal species."

So, what's the difference between the god El Shaddai claiming to Abraham he is the one true God and giving them the directive of the Covenant?

If that's a lie, then why is Set and the Black Flame not-a-lie?

It seems to me that that's a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

I'm probably one of the only "Satanists" who actually like El Shaddai/Haa'shem, which is weird to me, since, Satanists seem to share so many of her qualities (the formula YHVH comes out as female in the bigrams) I find it harder and harder to call myself a Satanist with a straight face, considering the specialists in dumbology that seem to have made it their cozy home *cough* ONA *cough*

If there were one thing I would change about theistic Satanist thinking is this division between oldschool monotheism and newschool monotheism. This is the result of the Osirian cultic meme, the dead and dying God, which is repulsive, but then we have El Shaddai whose name is etymologically connected to Hebrew and Akkadian words signifying *Desolation* *Mountains* *Wilderness* and Setians don't immediately see the correlation to their own god there?

Certainly Satanism may be here for a long time, no thanks to *Satanists* but if the Setians stop playing this by the xian rules then they may have a chance at keeping it going. Sinister knowledge itself will keep plugging along either way. We're certainly too smart for pigeonholing of any kind.

But if Setians are going to play the monotheism card, yet regard the Abrahamic concept of monotheism through the lense of Christianity, they've already lost. They've put one of their best areas of research in the camp of their enemy, and cut off their own feet before they've even begun investigating what is going on there.

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#117177 - 10/13/18 09:05 PM Re: As The CoS Drifts Further From Satan..... [Re: LoneWolf78]
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An interesting perspective.

Perhaps not 100% accurate; but certainly well referenced, and it has always been quite clear that Peter Gilmore is a far cry from Anton LaVey.

All things considered, my assessment of your position is: Fair enough.
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