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#112507 - 04/25/17 02:07 AM Islamic Incest
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Could this be it?

Could this be why that these people may appear to be a bit kooky to some of us?

No, I do not know this for a scientific fact. But you also don't know that all of the clothing, rags, towels, etc might not be used to cover up an extra body part or three.

I understand, Christianity advocates incest as well. However, for the most part, they seem to be content to be lazy and pay lip service to their ancient desert religion. Likewise, the number of door to door Christian ministers beheading or otherwise killing those who refuse to go to their churches seems to be on the decline.

Take a look around twenty-fist century America. The land that was dubbed The Great Satan is filled with all kinds of fun sins. Greed, gluttony, sloth, anger, pride, fornication, it's all here baby. Despite warnings of even the staunchest of hysterics Big Daddy hasn't come out of the sky and smited us down for it either.

In fact, maybe instead of trying to find loopholes to fuck their daughters a prostitute and pornography could have helped these rabid Jihadists.

It is just a suggestion.

Ok, now here is the serious scholarly article complete with a video.

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#112529 - 04/25/17 09:11 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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To be honest modern western people appear even more kooky to me. Have you looked at yourself? Multiculturalism, social justice, transgenderism, you fucking name it. You're more crazy than the sand-niggers, stop lying to yourself.

Secondly, if growing up my mother looked like Madonna or Sharon Stone, hell yeah I would have fucked her. Same with my sister. They were simply not attractive, but if they were I would partake of their sweet flesh, all the more interesting really, too bad, missed opportunity.
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#112530 - 04/25/17 09:23 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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Christianity advocates incest? Where the fuck do you come from? I understand we're generally opposed to Christianity here, but don't spew garbage. Are you referring to Mormons? I stopped being a Christian at 12, and before that I was part of two different churches, The Netherlands Reformed church, and the Apostolic Community Church, and never was incest promoted.

Once again your crazy social justice, and undercover cuckold behavior has been exhibited. You're against Christianity for the most part because it forces dogma and ideals on people, which is exactly what your western societies do, and what you are attempting to do right now. Who determines whether incest is right or wrong? Does right or wrong exist? You've replaced church with society, and pastors with politicians, you fucking idiot.

You're clearly too stupid to realize your own hypocrisy. Secondly, since I do consider myself a Luciferian agnostic person, with European pagan beliefs in general, I'm pretty sure incest was never considered a problem during pre-Christian European times either. So if you were trying to suggest that incest stems from Christian or Islamic religious affiliation, you're wrong. Get another scapegoat brainwashed bitchboy. I'm all for bashing something, but don't make baseless claims in the attempt to garner appreciation, only idiots propagate unfounded drivel.


Edited by Ubermensch23 (04/25/17 09:24 PM)
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#112531 - 04/25/17 10:06 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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As much as I like to loathe so much about Islam, I just don't see incest as an Islamic thing, or a religious thing for that matter. As you mentioned, some Islamists may try to use religion to justify the act, but religion is just one justification of a whole lot of justifications that a whole lot of different people use.

What is incest as an attraction anyway? A fail-safe maybe? So that if you and dad are the last two people left on the planet, the species can still repopulate.

Part of the taboo is to do with preventing the birth of deformed offspring - I'm not sure if genealogy comes through in pheromones and guides attraction in humans like it does in other animals. But apart from this aspect, it is really a moral issue, and morals vary between cultures and times.

I went to high school with a girl who fell in love with her cousin. She was a popular girl, so it was by no means a case of lack of options. They went out for a couple of years and then split due to the pressure and coercion of family and society. But then, because they still didn't fall out of love, they got tests done and when they were cleared of the possibility of creating genetic mutants, they got married and had a healthy baby. I don't see anything wrong with that. In fact, I find it interesting and wonder if the same attraction would have occurred if they weren't genetically compatible.

When I was a very young teen, I was a reluctant participant in incestuous acts. And knowing a little about my father's hilly-billy like heritage, frankly I think I'm lucky that my teeth are straight. But as a result of this, I have probably thought more deeply about incest than the average person.

I think it is, like many other sexual things, a place where we all choose where to draw our own line. I know a man that slept with a mother and daughter (frankly I wouldn't want to be that close to my mother - the idea repulses me, but it is still a fantasy of many males). Or the female fantasy of getting ravished by a couple of good-looking brothers. And what about the fantasy of men sleeping with beautiful 21yo twins... Does that offend many men? And if the twins started kissing each other, how many men would call them sick and kick them out of the bed? On some level, most people are tolerant of a little incest.

I think the last thing a man "should" want to do is fuck his daughter. Men are territorial, and I think most men crap themselves when they first notice their daughters becoming sexually attractive. In most, this triggers a need to protect the girl - to metaphorically lock her up and keep the shotgun loaded. But unfortunately, for whatever reason, a fraction of men allow that initial acknowledgement of sexual attraction to develop into an all-consuming lust.

And although not technically incest, the idea of a man raising a step-daughter from a young age and then getting it on with her when she is twenty, is also a little disturbing. I guess in my mind it is a form of betrayal... But, it happens.

My ex had a mate when he was a teenager that did his sister in the shower once. They weren't a sick family as such, they just happened to be a couple of horny teenagers and got a bit carried away one day. I don't condone this, but I wouldn't stone them to death for it either.

Although, I kicked my brother out of the bathroom the day I got my first pube. I don't know if this was nature or conditioning. Most of us just know instinctively when things change...

I guess my point is, is that there are laws against incest because it is a real and still happening thing. On some level it is entangled in the normal human condition and still exists in at least our sub-cultures. There is plenty of daddy/daughter porn out there. And incest play in bdsm is a thing. Like most sexual taboos, most people choose to keep incest in the realm of healthy fantasy.
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#112532 - 04/25/17 10:28 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: Ubermensch23]
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Christianity advocates incest? Where the fuck do you come from? I understand we're generally opposed to Christianity here, but don't spew garbage.


It all began in the garden of Eden....if you follow that literally as Christianity demands then all forms of humanity were created by exactly two people. How do you think the population grew?

Next, the Bible clearly condoned it in the case of Lot and his daughters.

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Once again your crazy social justice, and undercover cuckold behavior has been exhibited. You're against Christianity for the most part because it forces dogma and ideals on people, which is exactly what your western societies do, and what you are attempting to do right now. Who determines whether incest is right or wrong? Does right or wrong exist? You've replaced church with society, and pastors with politicians, you fucking idiot.


Not the case. However, Islam like any other kind of religion puts itself up for scrutiny when they all claim a form of moral supremacy. If they want to fuck their daughters, sisters, sheep, or goats it is inconsequential to me. That said, what right do they have for beheading the "infidels" or killing anyone else who does not go along with them?

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Luciferian agnostic person, with European pagan beliefs


Ok, that means nothing to me.

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So if you were trying to suggest that incest stems from Christian or Islamic religious affiliation, you're wrong. Get another scapegoat brainwashed bitchboy. I'm all for bashing something, but don't make baseless claims in the attempt to garner appreciation, only idiots propagate unfounded drivel.


Well, aren't you just a mother fucker.

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#112534 - 04/25/17 10:44 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: ShadowLover]
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As much as I like to loathe so much about Islam, I just don't see incest as an Islamic thing, or a religious thing for that matter. As you mentioned, some Islamists may try to use religion to justify the act, but religion is just one justification of a whole lot of justifications that a whole lot of different people use.


I agree. Largely this was somewhat tongue in cheek sarcasm, however, as I pointed out above, it would be sexual and moral hypocrisy as is the case in most of the faith based religions.

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What is incest as an attraction anyway? A fail-safe maybe? So that if you and dad are the last two people left on the planet, the species can still repopulate.


Well, at least you are aware of the story of Lot and his daughters unlike our other friend.

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Part of the taboo is to do with preventing the birth of deformed offspring


Which is why I said,

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No, I do not know this for a scientific fact. But you also don't know that all of the clothing, rags, towels, etc might not be used to cover up an extra body part or three.


;\)

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But apart from this aspect, it is really a moral issue, and morals vary between cultures and times.


For that I will paraphrase Larry Flynt. I have no problem with morals and values when they work for you and your family, but I do have a problem when you try to impose those same morals on others.

This is why Christianity puts itself out there. However, I am all for equal opportunity when attacking these self righteous groups.

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When I was a very young teen, I was a reluctant participant in incestuous acts. And knowing a little about my father's hilly-billy like heritage, frankly I think I'm lucky that my teeth are straight.


I like your sense of humor.

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. But as a result of this, I have probably thought more deeply about incest than the average person.


That is understandable.

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I guess my point is, is that there are laws against incest because it is a real and still happening thing. On some level it is entangled in the normal human condition and still exists in at least our sub-cultures. There is plenty of daddy/daughter porn out there. And incest play in bdsm is a thing. Like most sexual taboos, most people choose to keep incest in the realm of healthy fantasy.


I agree with that, just look at porn hub....not that I have.

I do agree with you that it is kind of a thing where each draws his or her own lines. I am all for sexual freedom. Nah, I just intended to have a little fun with the Muslims, that's all.






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#112538 - 04/26/17 05:54 AM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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Incest is a fantasy for most, even women, I don't think culture has so much to do with it as innate human developmental and sexual biology.

And yes, many new porn sites are springing up with 'step' porn, and unlike regular gonzo porn, a great deal of the advertised turn on is the story/personal relationships: A presentation of opportunistic scenarios wherein step siblings have time together for a quickie, then later one of them comes back for more, the other rejects because 'its wrong/can't go on forever,' but as you'd probably guess, gives in to the innate sex drive and winds up banging with their 'step' sister/brother son/daughter, and this seems to be very popular at the moment.

Here are some interesting sources on the matter, for those who can't resist the temptation...

Go Ahead, Kiss Your Cousin:

 Originally Posted By: discovermagazine.com
Second, cousin marriages make it more likely that spouses will be compatible, particularly in an alien environment. Such marriages may be even more attractive for Pakistanis in Bradford, England, than back home in Kashmir. Intermarriage decreases the divorce rate and enhances the independence of wives, who retain the support of familiar friends and relatives. Among the 19th-century du Ponts, for instance, women had an equal vote with men in family meetings.


Will Our Children Be Normal?

This page depicts a few simple graphs and charts, as well as naming other threats to genetic birth disorders, particularly those of drugs. The experts claim the costs of legislation against cousin marriage outweigh benefit.

When Incest Is Best: Kissing Cousins Have More Kin

While it acknowledges birth defects as a risk to close kin pregnancy, it also reveals a few of the benefits:

 Originally Posted By: Scientific American
Interestingly, one evolutionary argument for mating with a relative is that it might reduce a woman's chance of having a miscarriage caused by immunological incompatibility between a mother and her child. Some individuals have an antigen (a protein that can launch an immune response) on the surface of their red blood cells called a rhesus factor—commonly abbreviated "Rh." In some cases—typically during a second pregnancy—when a woman gets pregnant, she and her fetus may have incompatible blood cells, which could trigger the mother's immune system to treat the fetus as a foreign intruder, causing a miscarriage. This occurrence is less probable if the parents are closely related, because their blood makeup is more likely to match.


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#112552 - 04/26/17 07:33 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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I hate that you're making me quote the bible dude...

Leviticus 18:6-12
'None of you shall approach any blood relative of his to uncover nakedness; I am the LORD. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father, that is, the nakedness of your mother. She is your mother; you are not to uncover her nakedness. 'You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father's wife; it is your father's nakedness

As we all know Christianity constantly contradicts itself, which is why it is so ridiculous. Thou shalt not tempt god or blaspheme and be struck dead by lightning? Which is it?

The point is, he implied that Christianity promotes incest, which is incorrect. If Christians did everything in the bible, why not commit human sacrifice? Why aren't they killing non-Christians? Because that's in the old testament. What is considered Christianity is based on the new testament, not the old, thus the case of adam and eve does not apply to their dogma or morals.

Where do rights come from? The idea of rights originate from Christian governance. You believe that you have these rights? What happens when a right is revoked? Are you permitted to do less than you previously were before? Rights don't exist, it's simply a way for your masters to tell you what you are permitted and what you are not. My apologies, I mistook you for a free person for a second, you slave.

I'm primarily against Christians because they're pacifist, like Buddhists and Upanishadi Hindus, which is the majority of Hindus. I'm not against Christianity because it's cool, I'm against it contradicts my philosophy. Just because I don't like something, does not mean I'll go around making false claims, that's immature and bias, thus has no place in a debate.

I hate as many atheists and satanists as I do Christians, especially fat ones, and social rejects that turn to Satanism in order to try and garner respect. You don't see me bashing Lavey do you? I'll bash Aquino because he's a crossdressing pansy though, fucking PETA wanker. I hate hippies.
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#112556 - 04/26/17 10:33 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: Ubermensch23]
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If Christians did everything in the bible, why not commit human sacrifice? Why aren't they killing non-Christians?


As I previously stated:


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For the most part, they seem to be content to be lazy and pay lip service to their ancient desert religion.


I honestly do not think that there are any true Christians in 21st century America. Which is exactly as it should be. Had it remained a guiding theme there would have been no need to have left the old world for the new and no progress would have ever been made.

It is that very progress that is the Satanic. The Creation, the Imagination, and the Will. The gift of the Prince of Darkness, the Black Flame.

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Because that's in the old testament. What is considered Christianity is based on the new testament, not the old, thus the case of adam and eve does not apply to their dogma or morals.


Ah, so now we pick which book of lies work out best to fit the situation. So utterly Christian indeed! Your masters have taught you well. No less, here is the crux of the matter where would the new testament be without the old? If there is no word of god (old testament) there is no need for the prophecy of that god to be fulfilled (new testament).

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Where do rights come from?


My rights come from the same place your rights come from. My rights come from the only person capable of giving rights: Me.

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Rights don't exist, it's simply a way for your masters to tell you what you are permitted and what you are not.



Ah, the mirror doth not lie:

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You've replaced church with society, and pastors with politicians, you fucking idiot.


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What happens when a right is revoked? Are you permitted to do less than you previously were before?


I don't revoke My rights.

Man is capable of determining his own right or wrong and can act accordingly. Once you can comprehend that, you can say that your own shackles have been broken my friend.

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#112565 - 04/27/17 12:29 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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 Originally Posted By: LoneWolf78
That said, what right do they have for beheading the "infidels" or killing anyone else who does not go along with them?


You don't see 2 billion people persecuting the homosexuals and infidels, do you? The minority never represents the majority
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#112566 - 04/27/17 02:49 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: Sabrina27]
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Unless you actually go to any Muslim majority country, where both of those things mean death. Not death from militants, or the fringe, or "terrorists", mind you, but as a matter of official policy.
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#112567 - 04/27/17 03:04 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: Sabrina27]
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See Dan Dreads response, which I fully agree with.

I would also add to that by saying that it isn't American's that are rushing over to predominately Muslim countries. It is the opposite way around.

Here is something that I do have a problem with. When American citizens do go other countries you don't hear the demand to change your country to be like ours out of them. In fact, usually the ones visiting will go out of their way to learn other languages, customs, etc, before they even visit. On the other hand, when folks from other countries come here, not only do they not understand a lot about our culture, but they expect us to cater to them by way of language and a modification of our behaviors so that we don't offend them.

Take the title of my post: Islamic Incest. It exists. In fact, if you look into statistics you see that inbreeding is higher in places like Pakistan than other parts of the world. Yet, in "polite" American society we would never dare to discuss it because, "that may offend Muslims".

I say fuck that.

I don't think that one group is any more sacred than the other. There was the era of Satanic Panic, Catholic priests molesting altar boys was a hot topic for a while, gay bashing went on in this country, ethnic groups have been discriminated against in this country, white male bashing, for instance is pretty prevalent in today's society. So where do Muslim's get off by being untouchable?

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#112568 - 04/27/17 04:18 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: LoneWolf78]
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The Maylay Dilemma was written in 1970. Incest was fairly common the world over (even in the states) until it was brought to light as a modern taboo. Why is it taboo? Only the close-proximity couplings bear birth-defects. Cousin-couplings can actually correct a genetic abnormality in a family line. It's the social aspects because incest isn't always voluntary. All the Human Rights watchers point the finger, regardless of what text justifies it.

Even in predominately Muslim countries where 'child brides' are commerce, it's becoming a persecutable offense. Change just comes slower in the East as it does in the West.

Incest in Islam isn't new, nor is it a revelation we are just finding out about. Incest is ever present in every society, even among non-religious families that don't need a tome to guide their actions.

So what? Anything normalized can become taboo, taboos can become Nomos. What's the point of this thread?
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#112569 - 04/27/17 04:35 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: SIN3]
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@Dan
Killing of infidels as a matter of government policy? And which country is that?
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#112570 - 04/27/17 04:45 PM Re: Islamic Incest [Re: SIN3]
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What's the point of this thread?


In part, sarcasm. In part, sexual hypocrisy. In part, to scrutinize Islamic morality.

As I have stated, I am all for sexual freedom. If someone wants to fuck their relatives, let them have at it. However, I think it is kind of amusing that you could oh say, fuck your daughter who isn't really your daughter because you and her mom weren't married when the daughter was conceived (as per the Quran loophole: see the video that is in the link in the OP), but then be mortified beyond all things if two people of the same sex get it on.

Imagine this conversation if you will:

Abdullah: People who have sex with members of the same sex should die! Praise be to Allah!

Bruce: Yea dude, but you fuck your daughter. What does that say about you?

Abdullah: Stupid American bastard! Khadijah and I were not married when we conceived Nakeya so she is not my daughter. Death to all gays and infidels alalalalala!!


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