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#112804 - 05/15/17 12:51 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: CN
You seem to believe MGTOW has less value than it presents. Do you believe men have nothing to gain from leaving women and so called 'plantation life?'

The only value that can be gained in life is the value one gives to it. Do not assume others will hold the same things to the same level.

"An interest" you can call it.
People doing serious research in their interests tend to do so in silence in libraries. Those with an agenda generally bother others.

Re-evaluate your position and think (for a change).


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#112806 - 05/15/17 02:37 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
I never intended for anyone to believe my interest in MGTOW was a goodbye to this forum, or Satanism. If that was your interpretation...

*sigh* It wasn't.

Let me put it this way. You ever known an ex alcoholic that goes on and on and on about how he doesn't drink? Attends AA meetings several times a week? Goes on about how much better his life is without alcohol (when nobody asked and it's not at all relevant)? Maybe a bit of a dry drunk? Obsessed with sobriety culture the way some 13 year old is obsessed with his favorite collectable cards?

You're like that, but with women.

Again, I have no doubt that going your own way is probably best for you, just like getting off the sauce was probably best for the guy who was formerly passing out on stranger's lawns. I'm not against you quitting. That part is good.

The problem is when your life was formerly centered around a compulsion or obsession, and you take it out, now your life is centered around the gaping hole that's left. Your life is centered around MGTOW the same way a dry drunk's life is centered around sobriety. (Or, if it's not, we wouldn't know it by how you've been posting.)

We get it. You're going your own way. That's great. Now get a life and post about literally anything else. Current events. Good shows you've seen. A personal art project. Some other socio-political issue. I don't care. Just please show us there's something more to you than not dating.

You say women only ever wanted you for your money, and I have no trouble believing that. If you're this much of an insufferable bore in real life, I doubt you had anything else to offer. It's little wonder only gold diggers would be interested.
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#112809 - 05/15/17 10:26 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Those with an agenda generally bother others.

Re-evaluate your position and think (for a change).


I have posted little of what research I've gathered on the subject, only enough for discussion. I have no intention of trying to convert anyone to MGTOW, nor do I have an agenda for anyone else. It is purely individual on my part.

 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
Now get a life and post about literally anything else. Current events. Good shows you've seen. A personal art project. Some other socio-political issue. I don't care. Just please show us there's something more to you


Unless you are having PM conversations, the only posts you seem to have contributed have been here, as an attempt to insult me. You show little interest in anything else regarding the forum.

You seem highly bothered by MGTOW, almost disturbed. Might I suggest a remedy: do not reply or post on the matter if it bothers you so.
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#112810 - 05/16/17 08:52 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Some chick really fucked you up huh?

This reads like an interview with Ted Bundy.
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#112811 - 05/16/17 10:01 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: CN
Perhaps Satanism has gotten a new spark of life after all.

Does MGTOW have grounds to call itself Satanic?


NO. In fact, it just seeks to recognize women as the most Satanic of them all. Got you fellas crying uncle. ;\)
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#112812 - 05/16/17 10:06 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I've noticed these are the common insults most have in mind. Its not a monk or a strong solitary man who chooses to live life alone, but loser/psycho/freak that first comes to mind.

In reality, guys like this are the ones who have the worst problem of not being able to let it go.

@SIN: You know, I almost wouldn't argue with you there. Although I think there is more to Satanism than indulging and barking like a mindless poodle.

Speaking of nut cases, consider for example the woman who wanted one of the Manson Family who was responsible for her mother's death released form prison, or the woman who wanted to marry Charles Manson? I wonder if she would have had the same thoughts if she knew he wasn't a serial killer? This and the endless love letters these guys get.

A complete irrationality that makes what one would consider many women Satanic, complete idiots. Not Satanic by a long shot.

MGTOW understand how irrational the system is, and where most men spend their lives planning by it, MGTOW men have opted out for a better life experience.


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#112817 - 05/16/17 06:09 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
You seem highly bothered by MGTOW, almost disturbed.

Nah, as I've stated before, I give two thumbs way, way up to MGTOW.

Obsessive behavior, however, I do find disturbing.

 Originally Posted By: Creatura Noptii
I've noticed these are the common insults most have in mind. Its not a monk or a strong solitary man who chooses to live life alone, but loser/psycho/freak that first comes to mind.

Do we have to draw you a picture?

Choosing to live life alone: good!
Yammering on and on about it to anyone who will listen: weird.

I don't see a lot of Xiaolin monks spamming forums.
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#112818 - 05/16/17 09:24 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Yammering on and on about it to anyone who will listen: weird.




...


I'll tell you what.


Since you people are to labels like vampires to garlic, I'll mention other topics covered by the two, without drawing up comparisons.

Lone Wolf, Zebu and SIN are the only people who've decided to contribute a worthwhile response. *I will admit Dimitri has a point or two concerning how it could be viewed as agenda trolling. It wasn't meant as anything more than discussion.


And yes, it would seem Willy Wonka was also a MGTOW.


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#112819 - 05/16/17 11:53 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Since you people are to labels like vampires to garlic, I'll mention other topics covered by the two, without drawing up comparisons.

Got no problem with labels, either. I call myself a Satanist, don't I? And a great many other things. And I'm fine with the MGTOW label.

You're an interesting character. I wouldn't bother continuing to respond if I thought you were worthless. But you seem to read something different from what I write every. single. time. It's getting ooooold.

Indulge me for a while and pretend I'm a man and respond as though I were. For the sake of facilitating discussion.
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#112822 - 05/17/17 08:55 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Strong solitary monk huh? Ok then.

What I mostly see are beta male cucks that have been dominated and broken by women when I read mgtow blogs and discussions.

You are truly giving off the latter vibe with your incessant harping on this.
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#112824 - 05/17/17 09:31 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: CN
@SIN: You know, I almost wouldn't argue with you there. Although I think there is more to Satanism than indulging and barking like a mindless poodle.


So what you're saying is, a little yappy dog took your stuff, put you on your knees and made you cry?


The battle of the sexes has always been a methodical. Manson is a good example. You do know that Star (age 25) was just manipulating the scenario to get his Body right? He was hip to it and called it off but he seemed to enjoy the young lady's company for a time. As far as I'm concerned, it was an even shake. Who wants to see that wrinkly old fucker nude anyway? Guy isn't hot. She was hot. Hot girls can use their looks to get ahead. I see no issue with that. Uncle Anton covered that in the Satanic Witch. Even if she lost possible rights to his remains, she still runs his website, sells ATWA T-Shirts and seed bombs. She still came out with something rather than nothing at all. Didn't seem to cost her much more than her time and a head of hair.

Fan girls of killers still get something out of those inmates. Even if only to entertain their fantasies. Call it crazy if you care to but that's pretty boring. The intimate details of what they gain is so much more interesting.
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#112825 - 05/17/17 09:34 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Strong solitary monk huh? Ok then.

What I mostly see are beta male cucks that have been dominated and broken by women when I read mgtow blogs and discussions.

You are truly giving off the latter vibe with your incessant harping on this.


WINNER. WINNER. CHICKEN DINNER!

Alphas are hard to find, especially one worth a shit. I end up with Betas most of the time (if memory serves, that guy 'Jack' called them Bitches) and it's the same story over and over. They were burned by some woman, they will never love again but then they find me. They think they love me but I'm cruel. Eventually it wears off. I'll be the subject of a blog that whines of how I took all the gifts, gave nothing in return and went about my business.
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#112827 - 05/17/17 10:26 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: SIN3]
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No, really though. I know a ton of guys like this, especially younger dudes. Being a man..now I don't mean a 'male', but a MAN..is and has been highly unfashionable for decades now. Pretty much every show on TV that is in any way family oriented paint men as unintelligent fumbling buffoons that at some point need their woman to come save the day.

One example, and I digress, anyway..the results are clear..we have a generation of weak males coming of age right now. That much seems abundantly clear.

In that light, the shrill whining of groups like this mgtow(I spent an hour or so yesterday perusing their forums and material...gag) that seem so incapable of fulfilling their social role as MAN that all that is left to them is support groups to vent their impotent rage, makes sense. It was inevitable, predictable, and honestly highly unsurprising.
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#112828 - 05/17/17 12:38 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Now, this is interesting.

(CN insists that he just wants to have a discussion, but I stopped buying that when it became clear he'd get defensive and evasive every time I asked a question. He clearly wants a platform for his monologue, not an actual discussion.)

 Originally Posted By: Dan Dread
...we have a generation of weak males coming of age right now. That much seems abundantly clear.

What do you think is causing it?

Masculinity seems like an adaptive trait, something that developed of necessity given the correct stimuli--like muscles, or a suntan. Almost all the manly men I've known had to be manly in their environment.

And sure, there are male cultures that foster and promote masculinity. But that appears to be another adaptive reaction, a catalyst in the process--not the root cause.

Technology and the economy could have caused the decline of masculinity: where rugged self-reliance is no longer rewarded, where there's machines and specialists to do everything better/ faster/ cheaper than DIY.

My husband (a manly man, IMO) insisted on replacing a window himself when it got broken, rejecting the quote I got from a professional. He succeeded in doing it, and saved $75 in the process. But it took him eight hours, and professional work would have been neater.

That would have been different, back before the glazier was a phone call away. It still is different in some rural areas (like where I am now) where there isn't enough of an economy to support a service industry. If we were to break a window here, it would probably be best that he took care of it. And since he worked as a deckhand, it's true of being isolated in the middle of the ocean.

But in a modern city, the only value that knowledge has is if it's your profession, or helping ensure the glazier doesn't overcharge you.

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Being a man..now I don't mean a 'male', but a MAN..is and has been highly unfashionable for decades now.

Do you think it's a matter of fashion/ popularity?

It's a popular theory in manosphere circles. Supposedly the decline of masculinity is women's fault. Feminism attacks it and other women don't reward it with enough pussy, so the lack of incentive caused it to drop off.

I'm just not buying it. If someone changes the course of his life because of some pink haired harpie on the internet, he probably weren't much of a man to start with. And women always have rewarded masculinity with pussy. Fashion isn't going to undo an instinct that's evolutionarily hard-wired. (It's fashionable to be thin, but Frito-Lay isn't going out of business.)

I think it's an inversion of cause and effect. I think some of the third-wave nonsense we're seeing, from Big Red to Moldy Locks, is a reaction to, not cause of, the decline of masculinity. That little bit in the Satanic Witch about hippy protesters being bratting submissives comes to mind.
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#112829 - 05/17/17 12:51 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I'm no master martial artist and I don't live in Tibet, but I'm no beta. Its a counterpoint to common assumption.

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It was inevitable, predictable, and honestly highly unsurprising.


I think the problem has to do with guys. They allow women to talk all over them. This is because men are not self validating unless they have a female.

I don't agree with every MGTOW advocate out there, nor do I agree with every statement. Some of them blame women for everything. The fact is men are allowing it to happen.

Now, if a man allows this, its on him. Personally, I believe our system holds higher value and favour of women over men and I'm not so quick in disregarding men's complaints about female nature or bad experiences. Women are marrying and initiating divorce at much higher rates than men are. Its a fact. I believe it has everything to do with taking advantage of men and collecting their resource.

I am not personally by any means demanding respect from women. If they want to be cunts, they can go do it elsewhere. I have no intention of having a relationship with your common minded female. Nor do I have any intention of conforming to the traditional ways of marriage or any other common social commitment outside of work and pay.

The fact is, a lot of guys don't know how dangerous marriage can be. I don't care what kind of 'alpha' you think you are. A woman has the courts and social psychological conditioning on her side, and once a contract is formed, you the man, are now the bitch. Legally. In other words, its not that easy to control women once you bring the state and legal binding contract into your life.
Women have the system, and when they have marriage, they have men at their disposal. I know exceptions exist but this is reality on a whole.

On the flip side I've met men who have had their lives ruined by women and pursue what I call 'the do-over.' They fucked up, refuse to learn, and try to find a woman of the same (bitch) profile, re-establish all the old pieces, just to have it come apart even worse. Hell I know men who just can't seem to cut through the fog. They feel worthless if not married.

Personally, just on a side not, I've always seen the curch and marriage for what it was, ever since I was a child. Society is a weak fucking circus.

@SIN: Your behaviour doesn't come across to me as Satanic so much as the common female routine. Nothing new. Neither is Hybristophilia for that matter. Again, old Anton made the distinction between Satan and Swine: Indulgence vs. compulsion. Female (and male) nature is however disheartening at times, something men need to recognize on a whole.

In any case, it doesn't hurt for these men to speak of their experiences, and I don't personally blow it off as beta cuck bullshit. Some of it is whining, and some of it is quite insightful. I think the most important message is that men can rely on themselves to create a sense of personal fulfilment.

I just thought it was interesting how The Beast himself also said fuck you to the whole system and went his way, venom tongue black-in-wing. Its a display of masculinity that has been demonized throughout history: The wild, nonconforming solitary man. The Devil.

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 Originally Posted By: XG
Masculinity seems like an adaptive trait


 Originally Posted By: XG
Technology and the economy could have caused the decline of masculinity: where rugged self-reliance is no longer rewarded, where there's machines and specialists to do everything better/ faster/ cheaper than DIY.


You know, if you'd taken the time to just say shit like this from the beginning, I might have had something of greater substance worth responding to. Just sayin'.

Masculinity is built into men due to a natural drive to challenge nature and procure resources. As I mentioned in another post (See the Playboy/Satanism thread) men and women were split for a greater chance of survival. Women remain protected nurturing themselves, child, and home. Meanwhile, men get to spend the day collecting resource.

One can change completely in a new environment. You can become what you might even consider a whole new person. I've expereinced this to some level. Your behaviour changes as environmental factors dictate new qualities and quantities of resource, danger, shelter and daily routine. Necessity breeds character.

As it is, a lot of jobs are done by men to this day, out of society, therefore out of sight out of mind: Blasting, mining, raw material processing, and while there are some female garbage collectors, most of the dirty jobs are done by men, and no matter how many dykes out there claim they don't need men to get by, the fact is men are still the ones holding up society.

I think there are also very social/political reasons behind this agenda to emasculate men on a whole.

Overall the human condition hasn't changed, at least in sense of innate capacities. Guys, while often weak, are still capable of changing into men (biologically speaking, I however won't place a bet on it happening any time soon). Sin's argument about social attitudes is noteworthy here, since it is the mechanism preventing males from becoming men.

Humans are highly adaptable, but as Dan likes to point out, people spend more time defending their routine and culture before pushing and expanding upon their own innate faculties. Routine and culture as they say, is life. Its survival. Going against that is risky undertaking in many cases.
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