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#112832 - 05/17/17 01:28 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan Dread
No, really though. I know a ton of guys like this, especially younger dudes. Being a man..now I don't mean a 'male', but a MAN..is and has been highly unfashionable for decades now.


Very very true. I remember back in the 90's catching talk shows here and there. I particularly paid attention when they had Bob Guccione and the Pets or Al Goldstein on. They would also always have several men who did normal things such as look at porn, go to strip clubs etc. The women talk show hosts would set the agenda: This stuff is bad. Then the (largely) female (and largely repulsive no pun) audience members would chime in. Likewise, there was ALWAYS one or two "men" in the audience who were balding, fat, geeky looking, or a combination of all of the above who would attack the men on stage. Such a jerk off would bellow,"You guys aren't real men. Real men don't (fill in the blank)." The audience would burst out into a sea of applause in earthquake proportions. As a youngster watching this, I would think, "Hahaha, this creep wants to get blown by someone in Oprah's audience."

As for all of this MGTOW stuff, we have also had something much better for decades. Remember, He saw the way:



and founded a mighty group:


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#112833 - 05/17/17 01:38 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Much a do about nothing.
What makes a man, or a woman, depends on how one has been born.
I do not expect city-folk to be as hardenend and rugged as someone who has been tending and keeping a farm.

What creates a person are situations. Work. Environment.
With globalization comes an extension of city-life. Bureaucrats and sheltered people earning their pay slaving for top-companies where everything is being care off. The extend of self-reliance is limited to getting your paycheck in time and trying not to get fired. There's only pride in the work and projects achieved with very little to no pay-off in a monetary sense.

Reduced to a mere number. There's nothing to be proud of, hence people seek comfort in hobbies and causes. A crave to be more than a mere number. To show dominance and a feigned aura of authority. MGTOW and Feminism in that regard are the same. There's nothing so much to speak of but only people who want to stand out more.

It might be that society has a do in the loss of "masculine" traits. There has always been a certain demonization going on... but not much more as painting women with another brush that doesn't fit the bill either.

If anything, most of the redpill-movement (and "MGTOW") has more to do with people having a sheltered life. Suddenly awoken to the idea that their parents aren't planning to bust their asses for eternity. Let's be honest here... the "disco-generation" has been raising retarded kids and showered them with ideas (and technology) all will always be fine. The current youth has learned this is a world full of opportunities and possibilites... but never learned you had to work for it.

Life has been about "Play or be played". Some will never get it and will cry foul. The same applies to relationships as the same dynamic is being played out. There's a saying among men: "Don't put your dick in crazy". I assume women have an equal saying along the lines of "Don't open the door for the poor" (with all neccesary symbolism implied).
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#112834 - 05/17/17 03:43 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: DD
No, really though. I know a ton of guys like this, especially younger dudes. Being a man..now I don't mean a 'male', but a MAN..is and has been highly unfashionable for decades now.


Jokes aside. I couldn't agree more, it stepped up sometime in the early 80's and revved up with the Homo/Aids scare. The two may not be related to television portrayals or all the social jargon being pushed but I can't help but wonder if it is. The response to extreme homophobia (like beatings and murders) has been to make men feel guilty for being men. May have even caused a spike in gender confusion.

It's really hard to talk to men these days without the memes being carried into a conversation. I'm across the table listening to them talk, my eyes gloss over and I really just want to punch them in the face to make them stop talking.

I have never felt the need to bark a man down, though I do have to manage my own aggression and demeanor. It just depends on the circumstances. I still prefer the company of men to women. Men won't want to hang out with you if you're constantly criticizing their manhood.
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#112835 - 05/17/17 04:06 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: SIN3]
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All I can offer is my personal experience, which when translated to advice looks a little like this;

Don't bend. Don't consider bending. Don't pretend, always be true to yourself. Those that tell you a relationship is about​ compromise are cucks, it isn't.

By the same token, however, this works both ways. People don't own each other, control shouldn't even factor in. Ideally you are just two people that benefit from each other without any drawbacks or penalties.

If not, try again. Lots of people are broken and needy, learn to identify them and discard them, regardless of their sex.
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#112837 - 05/17/17 04:44 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Strong solitary monk huh? Ok then.

What I mostly see are beta male cucks that have been dominated and broken by women when I read mgtow blogs and discussions.

You are truly giving off the latter vibe with your incessant harping on this.


To me the problem isnt that their betas, but that their betas that cant accept that their betas. It then turns into this whiney pretentiousness that retards emotional growth that might come from self awareness.


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#112839 - 05/18/17 03:53 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread

Don't bend. Don't consider bending. Don't pretend, always be true to yourself. Those that tell you a relationship is about& compromise are cucks, it isn't.



How can any meaningful relationship in whatever walk of life not have an element of compromise in it, unless of course you want to surround yourself with subservients?

The very act of living is a trade-off; without oxygen we would could not live & yet oxidation is one of the biggest contributors to the aging process that will eventually kill us.
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#112840 - 05/18/17 09:49 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: when7iseleven]
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Take it or leave it son. Bend to every passing wind for all I care.
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#112841 - 05/18/17 12:11 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Apologies if you misconstrued my post as an acknowledgement of your words being advice as I did not respond on that basis. I was merely trying to point out that I consider our existence, at what ever level you judge it from, is filled with elements of compromise & negotiation.

You obviously think differently & I foolishly thought you could enlighten me as to how one could go through life without a bend to be seen.

I was obviously mistaken & should have realised that the silent type is just another manifestation of the self regarded alpha male.
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#112842 - 05/18/17 02:48 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: when7iseleven]
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General Reply:

Yes, It's the death of men.

I blame the Italians. The domineering nature of the family matriarch has influenced pop culture and infected it with the,  "Ray Romano" meme, which replaced the Goodfellas meme, itself a modification of the Sonny Corleone meme.

Seriously though it's female entitlement in the control of the behavior of their counterpart. The predisposition towards "changing a guy" (nagging girlfriend) has wired itself into behavior. The right to mold at will.

A woman in a relationship is as pathological as a cult leader when it comes to subversive mind control tactics, silent warfare, and the leaving of plates on coffee tables.

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#112843 - 05/18/17 05:25 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: DD
Don't bend. Don't consider bending. Don't pretend, always be true to yourself. Those that tell you a relationship is about​ compromise are cucks, it isn't.


Correct. Pretty much the reason I've remained single for the most part. A little dating here or there but it's short lived. I have no future plans to cohabitate or marry.

There are too many people to choose from to anchor down to someone and I won't settle. I'd rather be a crazy cat lady than be with someone I can't stand. I don't need anybody.
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#112844 - 05/19/17 08:55 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: when7iseleven]
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Honestly I don't think even a novels worth of elucidation could clarify what I said to those that would need it clarified.

No, really. If you need to be told in a step by step manner how to maintain your /self/ in the light of interpersonal relationships of any sort..the words would be wasted anyway. It's as natural as a drink of water.

It boils down to two things..resentment, and respect. One is poison and one is glue.
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#112849 - 05/20/17 10:52 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: when7iseleven]
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 Originally Posted By: when7iseleven
How can any meaningful relationship in whatever walk of life not have an element of compromise in it, unless of course you want to surround yourself with subservients?

Taking turns picking where to eat is not the end of the world.

But when someone gets possessive and starts crying that you jacking off makes them feel insecure, and says the least you can do is take their feelings into account, they can fuck right the hell off.

Manipulative people excel at saying something that sounds reasonable on its face, but equivocating it to mean something that's excessive or controlling. "Relationships are about compromise" is one of those phrases. Doesn't sound unreasonable at all, but it's so vague someone might try to slip something obscene through inside that mild looking package.


Edited by XiaoGui17 (05/20/17 10:52 PM)
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#112851 - 05/21/17 04:10 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread

It boils down to two things..resentment, and respect. One is poison and one is glue.


You can condense all your interpersonal relationships down to these two parameters.......really? You either don't have many or you & I live in very different worlds; there is a third option but not for now.

For the second time I was not asking for advice, I was asking how YOU go through life without any form of compromise...the world I inhabit is full of compromise, negotiation & trade-offs so I'm actually interested in your viewpoint.

PS......note the correct use of the semi-colon.

PPS......re. your son introduction I'm probably old enough to be your father....which happily for both of us I'm not.


Edited by when7iseleven (05/21/17 04:10 AM)
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#112852 - 05/21/17 12:26 PM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: when7iseleven]
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PS - fuck off

Pps - Kill yourself
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#112853 - 05/22/17 07:25 AM Re: Satan The MGTOW [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Ah the sadly predictable response.

Where does this fit on your scale of resentment & respect? to make it easy let's make absolute resentment zero & absolute respect ten.
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