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#113263 - 06/20/17 10:17 AM Apostates to Trans Rights?
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Gender Critical Trans Women (Source: Slate)

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To the mainstream trans rights movement, womanhood (or manhood) is a matter of self-perception; to radical feminists, it’s a material condition. Radical feminists believe women are a subordinate social class, oppressed due to their biology, and that there’s nothing innate about femininity.


Does this position qualify as Apostasy?

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Apostate: One who has abandoned one's religious faith, a political party, one's principles, or a cause.


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“And when people started telling me that trans women are women, you’ve always been a woman, you have a woman’s brain in a man’s body and all this kind of stuff—it’s a lifeline. It’s something you can hold on to. It really helps you to come to terms with things and move beyond that shame.”


It seems to me that people that don't buy in, never did. This reads more like a whiney "Stop calling me Transphobic!" article.


In my mind, when people get offended by being called transphobic, sexist, racist, etc. this is a tell about their convictions. Why should one strong in them give a shit if they receive any criticism?

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Gender-critical trans women are a uniquely despised group: They experience the discrimination all trans people are subject to as well as the loathing of the trans rights movement and its allies.


Boo fucking hoo.
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#113267 - 06/20/17 11:32 AM Re: Apostates to Trans Rights? [Re: SIN3]
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That is one thing that always got me about so-called "intersectionalism." There are a lot of unspoken contradictions that seem to stem from trans issues. This was one thing that got me. Liberals are expected to have contradictory beliefs with feelings as a priority. One wants to not limit womens option to define themselves so gender is called a social construct. Trans people say they are women trapped in men's bodies oe vice versa, so now gender is essentially a biological issue.

These people seem to want to hold another mutually exclusive position of being realistic while still wanting to cling to victimization and emotional validation. It truly is funny to see them twist into intellectual pretzels trying to square the circle.

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#113278 - 06/22/17 10:07 AM Re: Apostates to Trans Rights? [Re: samowens84]
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Being Pride Week, it gets even more ridiculous when you over hear the antics in person. Specialism is what it is reduced to, complete with demands of acceptance. If you reject it, well you're just one of those people hindering their freedom. What aren't they free to do? My guess is to act like joker in the public eye. To not pass, and get looks and/or comments. "Discrimination!" they cry.

When I was a young teen in the 80's, my Dad was hitting on a Trans airline ticket agent (passed really well) and I had to step in and point out the Adam's apple. Knowing my Dad, he would have reacted to the embarrassment with violence. To avoid it, I just poked fun at it. He was so taken back that 'those people' could even get a job at the airport. If it were an ugly dude that didn't pass for a woman at all, I doubt that they would have.

There are a ton of professions that exclude people for their appearance. Appearance is high on the list of attributes of 'professionalism' and 'representation' of a corporation. Lookism is built in, instinctual and intuitive. Society constantly hammers away at natural impulses and attempts to replace them with ideals that just don't jibe with reality. Not to say that people haven't kicked corporate policy in the ass (I know I sure have) but I think there are limits to what a corporation is willing to accept. If you look a certain way and don't have skills to apply, well you're just shit out of opportunity. People don't learn from this though, instead they rest their laurels on victimhood.







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#113285 - 06/22/17 04:58 PM Re: Apostates to Trans Rights? [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
When I was a young teen in the 80's, my Dad was hitting on a Trans airline ticket agent (passed really well) and I had to step in and point out the Adam's apple.

Anton would have said, "Damnit, Sin, just think of all the free airline tickets you and your dad could have had!" \:D

I suspect this is a girl thing. I can't tell you how many times I've been clueless when Lilith picked up on it instantly. \:o

Some men doesn't have prominent Adam's apples. When in doubt I look at feet, which no surgery can change: Men have big ones, women small ones.

When I was Operations Officer of the 306th PSYOP Battalion back in the 1970s, a new WAC Operations Sergeant was assigned. About 6.5 ft tall and built like a Kodiak bear, but the Army didn't always recruit Boopsies. And she was very competent.

One morning I found the CO at his desk holding his head in pain. He had just found out that "she" was a former USN Chief Petty Officer, qualified in underwater salvage operations, which explained the beefcake physique. He quit the Navy and joined the Army as a she, passing the medical exam (which tells you something about Army doctors).

I said I couldn't care less - I'd had to fire my previous two Op Sgts because of incompetence, and if I'd known I could have solved the problem with a pair of scissors, it would have been much simpler. Unfortunately the Army didn't share either my practicality or sense of humor, and out s/he went. \:\(
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#113291 - 06/23/17 11:55 AM Re: Apostates to Trans Rights? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Pappa didn't raise no fool. I pulled him away *after* the purchase. My Dad was an attractive suave guy. He had that part handled. He was buying me a ticket to visit my grandmother in Virginia.

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Unfortunately the Army didn't share either my practicality or sense of humor, and out s/he went. \:\(


I don't see what all the hullaboo is about when a post-op Trans person rejects the notion that they've changed genders. There's plenty that don't consider themselves the biological opposite with a bit of plastic surgery.

Chances are, they probably didn't have those notions beforehand so I wouldn't consider them Apostates.
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