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#113308 - 06/26/17 08:31 PM The unconstitutional nature of drug war
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Conservatives have demonstrated their power to circumvent fourth and tenth amendments long before the left tried to obsolete constitutional rights of free speech and guns. It just proves that politics (power game) is run by the elites (people, fast climbing monkeys) and not by laws (ideas).

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#113310 - 06/26/17 10:39 PM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: Bacchus]
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What are we talking here 1914 or the 1980's?

The original push was against the hemp industry by timber lobbyists, and the threat it posed to their bottom line.

The war on drugs was an excuse to install puppet governments in "socialism" leaning Central American countries that provided a tax haven for The Cartels, like Panama.

Until they get out of line.

Then completely by chance (in the 80's) this inexpensive form of coke was "invented". This proliferated itself in the sector of society that was a toss away anyway and there was a new "enemy" demanding funding.

It is like The Patriot Act, the "War on Terror",  allocations, and defense contracts.

Anyway, your 4th amendment privileges are revoked only when doing stupid shit, same goes with writ of habeas corpus.

I would imagine it would be fairly difficult if you're not slanging dope or praising jihad to get fucked with in this "unconstitutional" regard.

Wait, what am I saying, I forgot where I was.

Government is artificial and you're mundane if you concern yourself with what's "legal", right?
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#113311 - 06/27/17 05:26 AM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: CanisMachina42]
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In some other documentary I have heard that Russian Tzar Nicholas II. was the first to raise the question of drugs on international level. That makes me less compassionate about the demise of his dynasty by the Bolsheviks.

 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
Government is artificial and you're mundane if you concern yourself with what's "legal", right?


What is numinous is nothing to me, since I'm not subjected to it. I can fart on the Numen and no deity will impose any unwanted interference to my senses.

What is legal can be, and usually is consequential, what is other-worldly or "higher" is not. So why do you bring it up?

People who believe in numinous are consequential, but not because they are believers but because they can mess with you. However if they can be thwarted (either by individual's virtù or by numbers of the agitated crowd) they can be disposed. Even third parties (such as migrants) can contribute to their demise, since they are a multitude and since they are mostly carnal in their habitus and not spiritual in that "profound", noble, holier-than-thou sense you're speaking about. You will find it difficult to educate them into your high truths and make them act like virtuous angels and castrates with no material concerns, and at the same time police the hedonistic mob in the west.

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#113312 - 06/27/17 07:35 AM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
I would imagine it would be fairly difficult if you're not slanging dope or praising jihad to get fucked with in this "unconstitutional" regard.


What motivates this practice? Surely it is not some big geo-political concern but a desire to fuck with you. Man is a hunter by nature and laws, religious morals and uniforms provide him the licence to hunt other people.

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Police in Denver are using a nose telescope to tackle odours from the recreational use of marijuana



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...ur-mapping.html

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#113315 - 06/27/17 12:10 PM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: Bacchus]
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The loophole has always been Article 1, Section 8 which addresses trade with foreign nations and within the rule of law. When clandestine groups smuggle in drugs (not going through proper trade channels) it gives the Feds the levity they need to create a war on drugs. It would have made more sense to crack down on illegal trade deals but recreational drug-use was a political honey pot back then. It was a different era and future generations have to suffer it.

Even with several states decriminalizing it, the federal level remains tight on the legal issue.

The 9th Amendment is always a weak defense because there's plenty the populace wants the government to regulate under the guise of protections. In more recent months, we now have this 'Opiod Crisis' being publicly recognized as a public health issue. That's usually all it takes. Bam! Next thing on the block is federal intrusion into writing scripts.

Even with the criminality issue, it doesn't stop the flow of drugs into the country (or production domestically). It doesn't stop people from taking them, or exercising their addictions. So that "Pursuit of Happiness" thing, isn't hindered by the regulation.

In spite of this, lobbyists haven't given up on removal of the "drug exception" from law. Meanwhile, Trump ramps up the war on drugs as a way to eliminate the drug cartels. Odd, I know. It would make more sense to decriminalize controlled substances which puts them out of business.

The idea that we can poison our bodies with junk food and poor lifestyle but not a pipe or a needle has always been hypocritical. It's not an issue of man hunting man but rather man's way of trying to stay on top by controlling the weaker sort. Is it really power? Debatable, the weak don't always comply either.
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#113326 - 07/02/17 09:46 PM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: SIN3]
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Question, OP: are you the one in the vid?

The second I saw the word "unconstitutional" in the title, I charged in, fully intent on handing you your ass, only to realize when I watched the video the guy actually knew what he was talking about.

I mean, my first reactions were "holy shit, chill with the screen name" and "maybe wear a shirt", respectively. But I eventually subscribed.
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#113328 - 07/03/17 02:44 PM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: XiaoGui17]
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This guy has been around forever. Insomuch as I think he is a total dweeb, he isn't an idiot.

These days, that's something.
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#113333 - 07/03/17 10:29 PM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: XG
when I watched the video the guy actually knew what he was talking about.


Knowing what your talking about doesn't always make you smart, or productive. I've seen douche bags who take action and get things done to greater quantity than the so called intellectuals.

 Originally Posted By: DD
Insomuch as I think he is a total dweeb, he isn't an idiot.


Depends what your definition.

Honestly, the only reason I got through that video is because I took the time to pick up a book and read something else while he spoke. The only thing I saw was another libtard caught in the political social web of upholding the libtard greater good. As if anything he says here is going to make a difference. I've heard all these same arguments and bits of information from so many on both sides. One side or the other, polarized brains who can't or refuse to see their futile ways.

It would be funny if it weren't so fucking stupid.

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#113346 - 07/05/17 10:00 AM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: DD
Insomuch as I think he is a total dweeb, he isn't an idiot.


Man, shit around here must be pretty bad when DD gives this guy that much credibility. I can't even with this guy, he's not only an idiot but just another sheep in wolf's clothing.
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#113348 - 07/06/17 02:18 AM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: SIN3]
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Easy there, don't get me wrong here. He's a patent libtard, and I generally don't agree with a word he says, and yes, he is a Play-Doh Satanist.

I am not offering endorsement here!

But with that said, he's fairly well spoken and spells his message out clearly and consisely, which is always a step up from incoherent babbling of the sort that has somehow become standard fare with the new generation.
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#113350 - 07/06/17 09:54 AM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Fair enough. Though personally, I'd take the incoherent babbling of someone metal over this dweeb any day of the week. This generation has it pretty easy. Anyone can come off knowledgeable with a few key words and search engines. They don't have to walk the talk or have anything to show for it. All they gotta do is get enough likes and fame on Youtube. See Zack Black for reference. Ha.
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#113354 - 07/06/17 04:35 PM Re: The unconstitutional nature of drug war [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
All they gotta do is get enough likes and fame on Youtube. See Zack Black for reference. Ha.

On that tangent, I spent a long time wondering if I was insane for not seeing the sharp threads on Zach that everyone else kept gushing about. His implosion was a bit of vindication.

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
But with that said, he's fairly well spoken and spells his message out clearly and consisely...

Not so much concisely, but sure.

Kind of a pity that stringing together a coherent sentence is noteworthy, but this is where we find ourselves nowadays.
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