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#114276 - 09/06/17 09:11 PM M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_
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I roll my eyes at all sorts of YouTube wackiness. Today decided to add a comment to a few of the more ding-dongs concerning the Kubrick film Eyes Wide Shut. For 600C amusement here it is:

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EWS is an interesting commentary on human sexual fetishes & neuroses, with more than a bit of comedy both light & dark.

What it isn't is anything remotely representative of an actual "Illuminati secret society conspiracy". The simple truth is that the actual Illuminati was a short-lived Bavarian mystic/political movement in late-18th century Bavaria. Later use of the term is simply imaginative & [ignorantly] imitative. The AMORC Rosicrucians, for instance, style several of their initiatory degrees with the term, completely absent historical basis or substance.

The film's "occult party" sequence is dramatically oresented but absurd. Can anyone really imagine that an all-powerful elite cabal could think of no more sophisticated a social event than silently standing around in black cloaks & masks watching a few of their more exhibitionist friends bang prostitutes?

"Red Cloak's" opening ritual is also meaningless other than showing that a group of hookers can disrobe and kneel on a hard floor without wincing. The music and the setting are elegant. The changing are medieval Christian, played backwards (which is why they are complete gibberish).

I was amused to see that, after the movie came out, imitative sex clubs sprang up in Europe, scheduling dinner parties in venues like rented castles around the Continent for the bored-rich. Venetian masks & formal dress are _de rigueur_, with nudity mercifully optional. [I say "mercifully" because most of the senior-citizen ultrarich look nothing like the designer actors of EWS in the buff!]

The world's principal Black Magical society, the Temple of Set, doesn't have any group sex/nudity Bacchanals. They serve no actual Black Magical purpose. So-called "sex magick" advocated by amateur occultists and witches is simply a voyeuristic excuse for getting laid. Aleister Crowley managed it with some style, but I'd say he was the last to do so.

The Temple's 1966-75 predecessor, the Church of Satan, scandalized the public by having nude ladies atop altars. In this role they were symbolic and untouched, of course; I think YouTube has the documentary film _Satanis, the Devil's Mass_ with examples. We answered critics that we just thought it a better altar than one with a mutilated corpse nailed to a torture machine.

Kubrick is a bit of an enigma. _2001_ was a breathtaking film, but his next venture, _Clockwork Orange_ was just cynically and coldly brutal and sadistic: forerunner of today's disgusting _Hostel_ movies. The first half of _Full Metal Jacket_ catapulted R. Lee Erney to superstardom, but its second half was just gratuitously violent.

As for EWS, I frankly don't see it as having anything sophisticated to say. A married couple going through their "7 year itch" cries without Marilyn's style. Certainly no lessons about authentic initiation. On the other hand it provoked me enough to write all this commentary! ;\)
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#114277 - 09/07/17 05:44 AM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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To date I have not seen this film. However, a friend once pointed out to me that the design pattern on the doors to the Ritual Chamber(?) was that of The Process Church of The Final Judgement. I did look at pictures of the door he was describing and I could kind of see it. My knowledge of The Process is fairly limited though. I don't know if this lends any interest to your recent viewing, but I thought I would throw it out there.
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#114280 - 09/07/17 11:36 AM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: LoneWolf78]
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I think that's just coincidental. There's nothing remotely Processean about the movie, and of course the PC has been long-gone for decades. Nor, despite tabloid media attempts, was it a strictly Satanist religion. PC gave equal place to Jehovah, Jesus, Satan, and Lucifer (the last two they didn't consider identical), and their vague activities were generally New Age touchy-feely. Essentially a personality cult for Robert Grimston and his wife.

Another YouTube video has some fellow claiming that Nicole Kidman told him that Kubrick believed the world was being controlled by an international pedophile gang. If so, it sounds to me as though he were becoming senile and buying into the 1980s "Satanic panic".

There was no element of pedophilia in the "occult party" sequence. The only hint of it was the costume store owner who supplied [only] Ton Cruise with his costume to crash the party. That shop owner had a teenage daughter whom he was renting to shop customers. Not exactly an international occult conspiracy!
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#114281 - 09/07/17 12:48 PM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I quite liked the film very much, as with most things Kubrick, it was fairly masterfully shot.
I will admit that when the film came out (I saw it in the theaters), my ideas of secret societies/cabals/cults were pretty uninformed and fuzzy, and I, like presumably many have, believed I was witnessing Hollywood's version of the elite's private parties that belied a sinister/Satanic under current.
It was just creepy enough to be entertaining and thought provoking, despite its obvious flaws when you really know something about those things.
The one thing I think it DID get right was the intense interpersonal meltdowns of a marriage between a man and woman, and all of the jealousies, frustrations and contempts that were displayed between Tom and Nicole's characters (it has also been noted that in real life, they two were going through a divorce during the filming of this, so I tend to think that Kubrick, whether consciously or not, caught some of that reality under the guise of playing roles).
The rock band Ghost BC uses the creepy backwards chanting at the beginning of their concerts (which they refer to as "rituals"), just as an interesting side note.
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#114282 - 09/07/17 04:24 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I loved the movie. I was quite intrigued by it. There is this atmosphere of mystery and suspense, which can keep you entertained. The whole movie resembles a dream. The secret society has nothing to do with the Illuminati. Personally, it makes me recall the clubs of libertines from Marquis de Sade' novels.

I think it's about the protagonist's repressed sexuality which finds release in a dreamlike fantasy about the secret libertine club where everyone can anonymously give vent to their sexual desires. Then there comes fear and the sense of guilt, which is illustrated as a punishment for joining the club uninvited. It's as if the protagonist's sense of morality at the last moment intervened in his fantasies and cut them short, as if he punished himself for his transgressions in his own thoughts, as if he scolded himself for his perversity.


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#114283 - 09/07/17 09:03 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Czereda]
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One of the perks about being a baron of the U.K. is that you get invited to some pretty obscure/exotic frolics, such as this. If you're curious, here's a YouTube clip.

You'll need a proper Venetian mask & accessories, of course.

There are several aforementioned YT videos purporting to "expose" EWT occult symbolism,. As per my review above, most of this is Mickey Mouse. I recall this as being reasonably sensible.
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#114289 - 09/08/17 09:57 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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C'mon Nicole Kidman is so beautiful. The protagonist's repressed sexuality blah blah blah. He's a moron for giving up Nicole for some prostitutes. And in the end he's a hero! Well, that's Hollywood.
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#114290 - 09/08/17 10:20 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Masks not hide, masks reveal. The shelter of the mask makes the person reveal its real personality. In fact it's a game of what the person is intended to reveal, in exchange for what he really means valued for him.
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#114291 - 09/09/17 06:17 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I loved this film, not only because it was the last film of an artist, but for so many other reasons.

I like its soft visual contours, particularly in the party scene where Nicole is dancing with an older man, who desires her and Tom is being seduced into going somewhere private with two young women, but is re-directed elsewhere to help an ill guest. That whole scene is so beautifully perfumed and the floating golden space is so sealed off from an outside reality.

The most significant part of this movie for me is the scene where Nicole wakes from her dream, holds Tom in her arms and describes an endless orgy she is involved in where she ends up laughing at Tom. The movie seems to endlessly declare her power and his lack.

I don’t see Tom as repressed, but rather as traditional and naive. He is completely thrown into the void when Nicole tells him about her desire, her willingness to throw her marriage away, everything away to be with a hot young man. He seems to be under the impression that women are either sexless, or passive, or strictly nurturing or some other bullshit. Nicole’s desire to fuck some hot young guy really messes with traditional Tom.

Tom then spends the rest of the movie wandering in an aimless way. Is he in search of sex to get back at Nicole, to stop the boat from rocking back and forth, or some sense of greater self-understanding.

The whole Illuminati thing was amusing. The most interesting scene is the one where a submissive male is functioning as a table for a woman and a dominant male. Tom just stands there and stares at those people as they fuck. It is the most telling scene for him personally at that time.

There’s a lot happening in the film. It describes a side of people that may not be disclosed so openly.

I like to think that Nicole was there at that Illuminati party/orgy. Tom sort of senses that there is a whole world just beneath the surface which he has just uncovered to some extent. Is Nicole involved in that world? Was she there fucking all those men and loving it while she laughed at Tom? Probably not.

I really like sexually assertive/aggressive women – always have. I like promiscuity in women as well. I wouldn’t call Nicole aggressive and promiscuous, but I appreciate her honest confession of her desires. Pity Tom couldn’t seem to handle it.

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#114292 - 09/09/17 10:44 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I don't think the article you linked to is "reasonable." People plot and intrigue but, ultimately, it all boils down to the primal; the desire for power, the desire for validation, greed or getting laid. Behind the secret handshakes, elaborate rituals and pseudo-occult mumbo jambo, there hides the basest human nature. The shit in a shiny bag can be mind-boggling but once the primal is acknowledged, the wonderment disappears, giving way to cynicism.

Several years ago, a few of our politicians were meeting at the cementary. Sounds creepy but the prime motivation was simple human greed. They were trying to find a secluded place to conduct illegal business deals.

The same here. Rich theatrics, fancy costumes, secrecy and for what? For fuck's sake, pun intended.


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#114293 - 09/09/17 08:38 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
I don't think the article you linked to is "reasonable."


Nor is it "reasonably sensible". Maybe it's link-worthy because it mentions ASL?

I enjoyed the occultnik ramblings about seeing spooky symbols in holiday decorations. The 5 pointed tree topper my parents had when I was a toddler (in the 1950s) had a pentagon in the center with tabs to hold a small light bulb. Nothing occult about it, even though the bulb did illumine it nicely.

However you design a star for holiday décor, someone can find occult symbolism in the geometry. Whatever.

I enjoyed Eyes Wide Shut. My second favorite Kubrick film, along with A Clockwork Orange. My favorite is Barry Lyndon: fabulous visuals, music, and acting.
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#114298 - 09/10/17 05:03 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Kori Houghton]
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Hmm ... I thought Clockwork disgusting because of its wanton & graphic cruelty - a bit like the 2nd half of Full Metal Jacket. As for Barry, it gets my personal academy award for the most excruciating shaggy dog of a movie ever made. For a period-piece romp, I'd recommend Valmont. Or if you want to be bummed out, Julie C's misadventures in Dr. Zhivago, Petulia, or Far from the Madding Crowd. Poor Julie. \:\(

Kubrick seemed to have a quirk of sadism that surfaced as unpleasantly as possible. If Nicole K is correctly quoted as saying that SK believed that the world is run by a clique of homicidal pedophiles, that wouldn't surprise me.

I've always admired 2001, so K's later work confuses me. Even Ermey's memorable burlesque of a USMC Drill Sergeant ended with a vicious scene of insanity, murder, & suicide.

There are movies that include violence to make a moral point, such as Disney's 20K Leagues Under the Sea and Forbidden Planet. There are films that make it dark slapstick, like the two Phibes films. And of course tragedies like Titanic and Bram Stoker's Dracula. What I'm not comfortable with is "violence for its own sake", almost as a form of masturbation.
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#114380 - 09/18/17 09:20 PM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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The internet (and YouTube especially) is filled to the brim with conspiracy-mongers straight-facedly "exposing" the satanic/Illuminati symbolism behind every blotch and splatter on the Rorschach test that is pop culture. This, ironically, makes them more like occultists themselves than they would like to admit (although not particularly good ones). And whenever Satanists in general are portrayed (both in fiction and "documentaries") as a well-organized, well-monied, and ideologically-coherent group with millions of adherents, it usually elicits a good laugh from me.

Of course, I'm sure that's what you'd like us to think. Meanwhile you probably have a dusty old scrapbook lying around somewhere emblazoned with the Eye of Providence, filled with polaroids of you cavorting in the buff with George Bush Sr and Evelyn de Rothschild, sipping glasses of infant blood with your forked reptilian tongues.

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The world's principal Black Magical society...


i see wat u did there

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Kubrick is a bit of an enigma. _2001_ was a breathtaking film, but his next venture, _Clockwork Orange_ was just cynically and coldly brutal and sadistic: forerunner of today's disgusting _Hostel_ movies.


Then I'm sure you'd really get a kick out of "A Serbian Film". ;\)


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#114650 - 10/08/17 01:24 AM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: The Zebu]
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I have all of the main Eyes Wide Shut masks from the original ateliers, except for the female one, I think it's like 300+ buckos so no thanks for right now.

Best Satanic Ritual in a movie, if there was an oscar for that...aesthetics do matter, after all.

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#114651 - 10/08/17 02:14 AM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: 97and107]
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 Originally Posted By: 97and107
I have all of the main Eyes Wide Shut masks from the original ateliers, except for the female one, I think it's like 300+ buckos so no thanks for right now.

Best Satanic Ritual in a movie, if there was an oscar for that...aesthetics do matter, after all.

Where did you find Red Cloak's mask? Not Venetian like the rest, somewhere between cynical and ominous.
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Does Satanic ritual count if Satan [or at least some deputy demon] doesn't show up? Off top head I recall Scratch dropping up in Rosemary's Baby, The Devil Rides Out, and The Brotherhood of Satan. Deputy darmons checked in in Asylum of Satan and The Devil's Rain, but Damien had to make do with ravens and Rottweilers in the Omen series. Chernabog did a decent stand-in fir the boss in Fantasia. Since Pazuzu borrowed Regan for pea soup and profanity with no more invocation than a Ouija Board, I don't think that counts. And one cannot forget Anton showing up as the Devil in Ken Anger's Invocation of my Demon Brother.
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#114734 - 10/14/17 04:38 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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[/quote] What I'm not comfortable with is "violence for its own sake", almost as a form of masturbation. [/quote]
Kubrick was using Burgess' source material in re violence in Clockwork, and later he denounced that film. Obviously he was horrified by war and violence, and that's reflected in more of his works than that, Paths of Glory, his first movie (I think) teaches a brutal anti-war/anti-violence message made pre-Vietnam.
Not to knock you Col. A, but I remember you writing about how disconnected you felt by killing someone with your own hands IN Vietnam. That it had almost no emotional impact on you whatsoever, then you slam Kubrick for violence in his art? Isn't killing another human being with one's own hands the ultimate act of violence? And, even though it's been ages since I read that particular pdf of yours (all of which were fun reads, btw, lol) and therefore I'm cloudy on your point, it almost seemed like you didn't need to kill that person, who I'm guessing was NVA or Viet Cong, but did it just to try it, in a sense? To experience it?


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#114738 - 10/14/17 11:19 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: felidae]
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 Originally Posted By: M. Aquino
Does Satanic ritual count if Satan [or at least some deputy demon] doesn't show up?

The character of Satan is arguably a study in alterity, hence why anything strange or "other" in the Western mind is often reflexively associated with the devil. The enduring concept of a decadent and conspiratorial elite remains fertile ground for this, as does the pageantry of esotericism--even if its symbolism does not contain any explicitly diabolical imagery.

In fact, the less is explained about the ritual, the better--the more it cultivates a sense of the unknown and "otherness", and the more effectively Satanic it can seem. In this sense, the Eyes Wide Shut scene is masterfully crafted, even if the whole ceremonial comes across as vague or impractical to a hands-in-the-dirt ritualist.

Herr Poelzig's famous incantation from "The Black Cat" is another example of this, except the overt diabolism is slightly more pronounced. But here the point is not so much that Karloff is reading an excerpt from a Latin horticultural tract over an absurdly-impractical X-shaped altar, but the sense of ominous foreboding aroused by the air of dark solemnity of the dialogue, and the aggressive geometry of the set design.


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Kubrick was using Burgess' source material in re violence in Clockwork, and later he denounced that film. Obviously he was horrified by war and violence, and that's reflected in more of his works than that, Paths of Glory, his first movie (I think) teaches a brutal anti-war/anti-violence message made pre-Vietnam.

Around the time of the film's release, Kubrick tried to justify it by insisting that CWO was supposed to convey an anti-violent message. Not everyone bought it, of course. While violence in the film is portrayed as being "anti-social" and having clear negative consequences, it is nevertheless depicted in such a highly-stylized way that could be seen as aesthetically glorifying violence.

I recall that I saw the movie at the tender age of 14 with two of my good "droogies". Afterwards we took a midnight stroll--and one of my friends, our "leader" and Alex of sorts, spontaneously remarked that seeing the movie gave him an impulsive desire to start some criminal mischief of our own.

Now we didn't embark on an orgy of carnage that night and it was a momentary fancy, to be sure--but long story short, not every message is transmitted or interpreted in the way it is intended. And there are examples of genuinely violent people who are attracted to fictional portrayals of violence, as abhorrent as it may be to those who author such works.

And I also suspect that in art especially, an alleged "message" as presented by the artist is sometimes simply superimposed upon a creation that includes elements of unconscious expression that may contradict the formalized "statement of intent". Violence is one of those volatile phenomena that can simultaneously fascinate and disgust us, so it is no surprise that its presence in fiction can elicit such mixed reactions.

I am also reminded of depictions of Satan and Evil generally, such as Paradise Lost--which Milton would have apparently liked to have stood as a testament to the divine justice of the Christian God, but nevertheless constitutes the veritable Bible of literary Satanism. I myself am not entirely convinced by the apologetic argument that those who romanticize his diabolic protagonist are simply missing the point.

And in a more religious sense, I also consider Satanism to be a "feature" of Christian theology rather than a "bug". (See, Huysmans et al.)
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#114742 - 10/15/17 04:02 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: The Zebu]
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[quote=The Zebu]In fact, the less is explained about the ritual, the better[/qupte]
Well, Boris and Bela could make anything sonorous. I don't know how it is with modern audiences, who I suspect are more keyed in to action and SFX, but actors & actresses used to be noted for their voices as much as appearance. My actor favorites: James Mason, Yul Brynner, James Woods, John Wayne, Jonathan Frid, Michael York (sort of a James Mason Jr.), R. Lee Army, Marlon Brando, Harrison Ford, Ahhnold, Yves Montand, Peter O'Toole, Anthony Quinn, Udo Kier, Max Schell, Charles Gray, Truman Bradley, Vincent Price, Orson Welles. What surprises me is how many other big-name actors have [IMHO] unremarkable voices, even if recognizable.

On the XX side: MM, Marlene Dietrich, Debra Winger, Diana Ring, Kathryn Scott, Lara Parker. Once again, plenty of great actresses, but to my surprise a lot of interchangeable voices.

Not talking about singing.

And yes, sometimes Old Scratch would have been more effective not showing up. I remember how unimpressive he was in Devil's Bride looking so tiny up there on that rock. As for EWS, who would you rather see: 12 gorgeous naked women or the Devil? \:D
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#114757 - 10/16/17 05:47 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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#114758 - 10/16/17 05:50 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Ravuk]
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#114851 - 10/21/17 06:56 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Ravuk]
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Ninth Gate was masterful! THAT was what a good old fashioned devil movie should be, but I've always been partial to De Niro in Angel Heart. Obviously the Tate experience messed Polanski up. I wonder if he ever privately thought Rosemary's Baby was responsible for her death.
It's time they let him come back. Even the gal he assaulted said enough's enough. He's brilliant, after all. A true auteur, and we don't have that many of them.
I hope he re-visits the genre, though. I collect fringe occult old editions and so adored the 9th Gate for that aspect of it. I really have no desire or need to summon the lucifuge but I'd like to watch someone else do it! It would be glorious! I just re-watched Angel Heart the other day and noticed, for the first time, that the Ethan character had gone by "Edward Kelly" and that elicited a laugh.
John Dee had such HUGE BALLS! Imagine being an occultist when they still wanted to burn you to death for doing it. That's BALLS MAN!

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#114863 - 10/22/17 01:47 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: felidae]
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 Originally Posted By: felidae
John Dee had such HUGE BALLS! Imagine being an occultist when they still wanted to burn you to death for doing it. That's BALLS MAN!

Well, I guess ir didn't hurt that he was a personal pet of Queen Liz I.

Actually Dee's occultism had nothing to do with devils & daemons, but was full of God & angels. That's one of things that makes the inclusion of the Enochian Keys in the SB so amusing; they're all angelic incantations, to which Anton dropped a few "Satan" words in here and there.

All that Cabalism stuff dates back to 12th century Spain. There was a Jew there named Moses de Leon, who was bummed by the inevitable fate of Jews after croaking: to rot forever in Sheol. The Jews didn't have Jesus or Mohammed to let them off this hook, so Leon came up with the idea of finding a secret path to initiatory redemption in the Old Testament. He wrote this up as the Zohar. and, since no one would believe it if it came from him, attributed it to Ezekiel. The procedures for using the Z were called the "Cabala" aka Kaballah aka Qabala. But it was all just Leon trying to make a fast doubloon or whatever. Orthodox Judaism didn't go for the Z, but Renaissane Christians gobbled it, hence all the C-stuff in the Golden Dawn, Crowley, etc.

Of course the Jewish God was also a fake, ripped off from the Bronze Age Canaanites. His original name was El, and he was one of several C-gods, along with Baal, Moloch, Dagon, etc. El was occasionally plural, hence El-ohim.

None of the above makes the slightest difference to the billions who drink Judaeo-Christian-Islamic snake oil, of course.
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#114865 - 10/22/17 04:16 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
[quote=felidae]Actually Dee's occultism had nothing to do with devils & daemons, but was full of God & angels. That's one of things that makes the inclusion of the Enochian Keys in the SB so amusing; they're all angelic incantations, to which Anton dropped a few "Satan" words in here and there.

. . .

Of course the Jewish God was also a fake, ripped off from the Bronze Age Canaanites. His original name was El, and he was one of several C-gods, along with Baal, Moloch, Dagon, etc. El was occasionally plural, hence El-ohim.

None of the above makes the slightest difference to the billions who drink Judaeo-Christian-Islamic snake oil, of course.


Sincerely not trying to bust your balls or anything, but I'm genuinely curious: in light of all of this, how exactly does your own "Setian" version of the Keys, the "Word of Set," greatly differ from LaVey's "Satanized" version in its origins and construction? I know LaVey's Keys "work" despite their origins and despite LaVey's haphazard method of "revising" them, and while I've never used the Word of Set, I assume the same for it. However, in your writings, you seem to suggest that the Word of Set was not so haphazardly thrown together as LaVey's, but instead were "transcribed." But of course, they still read like a "Setified" version of Dee's Keys all the same.

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#114869 - 10/22/17 07:38 AM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Obitus]
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Pretty much the sum of Western esoterics uses the Dee stuff. ToS does, like you assumed. CoS adapted it. GD did, and Crowley after them. I'm not sure how much Wicca and its permutations does. The Qlipothic stuff does, heavily.
And I'm pretty sure Dee/Kel thought they were dealing with "demons" as well - because Dee indicates the entities cast dispersions on Christ, and he did not imagine any self-respecting "angel" would do that. Plus they got him to wife-swap, in the end. What kind of angel makes you wife-swap? lol
And yes, it's all kabbalah. Tree of life. Two columns. Symbology. From the masons on down, too.
I've never read the CoS stuff, only a tad of the ToS stuff, but have experience researching the other stuff, save wicca. The only stuff I practice is Liesewski's kabbalesque stuff, at this time, and a smidgen of voodoo, but I don't practice voodoo in the solitary sense, at all, ever.


Edited by felidae (10/22/17 07:44 AM)

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#114876 - 10/22/17 03:15 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: felidae]
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 Originally Posted By: felidae
Dee indicates the entities cast dispersions on Christ, and he did not imagine any self-respecting "angel" would do that. Plus they got him to wife-swap, in the end. What kind of angel makes you wife-swap? lol


Yup. And if I remember correctly, I think the "Angels" also told Dee and Kelley that there was a god beyond and higher than the Judeo-Xian "god." In any case, they were starting to seriously have doubts about the "Angelic" status of the beings they had contacted.

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#114883 - 10/22/17 10:41 PM Re: M.Aquino YouTube Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Obitus]
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"Clearly they weren't dealing with the top brass." sry for the one liner.


Don't be sorry for it, just don't do it. Thanks.

-Asmedious-


Edited by Asmedious (10/22/17 10:48 PM)

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#114892 - 10/23/17 05:02 AM Re: M.Aquino YouThbe Comment re _Eyes Wide Shut_ [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: 97and107
I have all of the main Eyes Wide Shut masks from the original ateliers, except for the female one, I think it's like 300+ buckos so no thanks for right now.

Best Satanic Ritual in a movie, if there was an oscar for that...aesthetics do matter, after all.

Where did you find Red Cloak's mask? Not Venetian like the rest, somewhere between cynical and ominous.
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Does Satanic ritual count if Satan [or at least some deputy demon] doesn't show up? Off top head I recall Scratch dropping up in Rosemary's Baby, The Devil Rides Out, and The Brotherhood of Satan. Deputy darmons checked in in Asylum of Satan and The Devil's Rain, but Damien had to make do with ravens and Rottweilers in the Omen series. Chernabog did a decent stand-in fir the boss in Fantasia. Since Pazuzu borrowed Regan for pea soup and profanity with no more invocation than a Ouija Board, I don't think that counts. And one cannot forget Anton showing up as the Devil in Ken Anger's Invocation of my Demon Brother.


Yes, one of my favorites as well...It's called the "Capo" and it's from Cama'cana. You'll need to write them and ask about their Eyes Wide Shut masks, so they can direct you to backroom stock not on the website http://www.camacana.com/. If you like tell them Izi from Abrahadabra sent you. I think I got their "last one" but I'm not sure what that meant, I would guess they could make another from the mould.


Here are some photos of the mask itself to show the quality compared to those things that pass for venetian masks at mass market stores in the US. The visual effect of the texture of the real gilding is so great.

https://i.imgur.com/1ZcrAXC.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/wNtvUCa.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/lEixp1j.jpg

To those looking to acquire a full set, you can't order them from just one mask maker. They are copyrighted by the creator or studio, and Kubrick's set designer went to dozens of shops in Venice, purchasing a wide range of masks. The more painterly, sculptural ones from the audience of the crowd are from MaskedArt:

https://www.maskedart.com/collections/kubrick-line

The Tom Cruise one is sometimes available from Mask Shop Venice:

https://www.maskshopvenice.com/en/costume-masks/eyes-wide-shut-mask-tom-cruise.html

Also, the *Hebrew* God is the voice in Abraham's head - or should be. The Hebrews married anyone from any demographic wherever they went - they still do. They are not xenophobic whatsoever regarding what they stick their dick in, and Jews especially of all the tribes are especially promiscuous. So it's not surprising that elements of various religions from the armpit of the middle east ended up in their religion. Internal wars were fought over the inclusion of Asherah and Tammuz in the official religion.

Tammuz was a darling shepherd boy who was fucking the hottest goddess ever (Ishtar or Inanna), so of course he was a tempting choice, and Asherah Poles are just a fun idea in general.

YHVH comes out female in the bigrams though, when we break it down in the binary using tetragrammaton. Whatever the orthodox are worshipping by that name it's a girl, that's all I know. But Ha'shem was definitely a masculine Prince of Staves styled character - murderous, nasty and wrathful with no sense of humor whatsoever.

There is No God but Man.

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