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#114398 - 09/19/17 05:02 PM The Aftermarket Afterlife
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There's no afterlife in Satanism. I'm serious, and this isn't "fulfillment of the ego" shit either.

Personally, I've given the Elon Musk  "simulation" route thought, but then we just become like Vincent D'Nofrio's 1930's character in The 13th floor.

So floors open:

Give me a SATANIC afterlife conception in which this body really is just "training wheels", or even the Bill Hicks, "An illusion within the imagination of ourselves." 

Baseline question: How is absorbing into an exoteric afterlife conception a left hand path of attainment?
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#114439 - 09/21/17 09:00 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Phoenician]
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There is certainly no "afterlife" in materialism, in which the concept of a metaphysical MindStar or "soul" is merely a fart of the electrochemical brain. If this is your belief, then why pay attention to others' brainfarts, or your own for that matter. Just spend your metabolic duration scratching itches, then decompose.

So there is no point to your starting a thread like this.

The concepts and propositions for the existence, independence, & immortality of the individual MindSat are reviewed in my book of that title, as well as discussed in several archived threads here, of which "TF" is just the most recent. So no reason to retype any of that. Anyone interested has abundant research material and bibliographic options.

As for Anton LaVey, during out 1969-75 association he was an unapologetic metaphysician; we all were. The SB & SR exemplify this in their invocations, of course, with the BOL diatribe there to ridicule J/C caricatures in the regard. If others feel the need to selectively ignore this, that's their option.
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#114440 - 09/21/17 09:53 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Dude, Mikie, do you really need two whole threads to sell your MindStar book?
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#114441 - 09/22/17 12:49 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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You misunderstood me, I think.

Fuck the material then. Explain the "soul's" place in Satanism, any valid Satanism will do. How does an afterlife concept, such as an eternal and ethereal you (which is separate from the material you, as this is only a leased mode of conveyance) is not another faithful attainment firmly placed in the right hand?

And all the threads here are the same, what is slightly more redundancy?

Anyway, this opens the floor to ALL RHP oxymoronic "Satanisms", and any rebranded fanciful delusions of immortality. I'll even extend that to those with graded initiation rituals, rites, and a dogmatic progression towards a more  "enlightened" self. As it's pretty much the same inclination.
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#114444 - 09/22/17 02:30 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Phoenician]
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You want one?

Get it here:



In case you couldn't read it (or is removed in due time):

Here's the transcript.

Warning, Spoiler:
You were on your way home when you died.




It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off. Trust me.

And that's when you met me.

"What... what happened?" You asked. "Where am I?"

"You died," I said, matter-of-factly. No point mincing words.

"There was a...a truck and it was skidding..."

"Yup." I said.

"I... I died?"

"Yup. But don't feel bad about it. Everyone dies." I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me. "What is this place?" You asked.

"Is this the afterlife?"

"More or less," I said.

Are you god?" You asked.

"Yup." I replied. "I'm God."

"My kids... my wife," you said. "What about them? Will they be alright?"

"That what I like to see," I said. "You just died and your main concern is for your family. That's good stuff right there."

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn't look like God. I just looked like some man. Some vague authority figure. More of a grammar school teacher then the almighty.

"Don't worry," I said. "They'll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way.

They didn't have time to grow contempt for you. Your wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it's any consolation she'll feel very guilty for feeling relieved."

"Oh," you said. "So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?"

"Neither," I said. "You'll be reincarnated."

"Ah, so the Hindus were right."

"All the religions are right in their own way," I said. "Walk with me." You followed along as we strolled in the void.

"Where are we going?"

"Nowhere in particular," I said. "It's just nice to walk while we talk."

"So whats the point, then?" You asked. "When I get reborn, I'll just be a blank slate right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won't matter."

"Not so!" I said. "You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don't remember them right now."

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders. "Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic then you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It's like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it's hot or cold. You put a tiny part or yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you've gained all the experiences it had.

"You've been a human for the last 34 years, so you haven't stretched out yet and felt the rest of you immense consciousness. If we hung out here for longer, you'd start remembering everything. But there's no point doing that between each life."

"How many times have I been reincarnated, then?"

"Oh lots. Lots and lots. And into lots of different lives." I said. "This time around you'll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 A.D."

"Wait, what?" You stammered. "You're sending me back in time?"

"Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from."

"Where you come from?" You pondered.

"Oh sure!" I explained. "I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there's others like me. I know you'll want to know what it's like there but you honestly wont understand."

"Oh." you said, a little let down. "But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, could I have interacted with myself at some point?"

"Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own time span you don't even know it's happening."

"So what's the point of it all?"

"Seriously?" I asked. "Seriously? You're asking me for the meaning of life? Isn't that a little stereotypical?"

"Well it's a reasonable question." you persisted.

I looked in your eyes. "The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature."

"You mean mankind? You want us to mature?"

"No. Just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature, and become a larger and greater intellect."

"Just me? What about everyone else?"

"There is no one else," I said. "In this universe, there's just you. And me."

You stared blankly at me. "But all the people on earth..."

"All you. Different incarnations of you."

"Wait. I'm everyone!?"

"Now your getting it." I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

"I'm every human who ever lived?"

"Or who will ever live, yes."

"I'm Abraham Lincoln?"

"And you're John Wilkes Booth, too." I added.

"I'm Hitler?" you said, appalled.

"And you're the millions he killed."

"I'm Jesus?"

"And you're everyone who followed him."

You fell silent.

"Every time you victimized someone," I said, "You were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you've done, you've done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you."

"Why?" You asked me. "Why do all this?"

"Because someday, you will become like me. Because that's what you are. You're one of my kind. You're my child."

"Whoa." you said, incredulous. "You mean I'm a god?"

"No. Not yet. You're a fetus. You're still growing. Once you've lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born."

"So the whole universe," you said. "It's just..."

"An egg of sorts." I answered. "Now it's time for you to move on to your next life." And I sent you on your way.

The End


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#114449 - 09/22/17 03:23 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Dimitri]
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D, that eggsample was eggstremely eggasperating, but the "spoiler" command can be useful for shameless mentalism ...

Think of a 1-digit number.
Multiply it times 9.
If you have a 2-digit answer, add the two digits.
You now have one digit.
Subtract 5 from it.
You now have a 1-digit number.
Take the letter of the alphabet corresponding to that number.
Think of a country whose name begins with that letter.
Think of an animal whose name begins with the last letter of the country name.
Think of a fruit whose name begins with the last letter of the animal name.

I'm getting ... I'm getting ... how peculiar:

Warning, Spoiler:
... the image of a kangaroo eating an orange in Denmark.
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#114476 - 09/24/17 02:34 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Phoenician]
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 Originally Posted By: Phoenician
Explain the "soul's" place in satanism, any valid Satanism will do. How does an afterlife concept, such as an eternal and ethereal you (which is separate from the material you, as this is only a leased mode of conveyance) is not another faithful attainment firmly placed in the right hand?


Do these quotes from a book you might've read work for ya at all?

"The world of the flesh and the living shall be the greatest preparation for any and all eternal delights!"

"If a person has been vital throughout his life and has fought to the end for his earthly existence, it is this ego which will refuse to die, even after the expiration of the flesh which housed it."

Or is the source material not a "valid" enough Satanism?

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#114480 - 09/24/17 05:01 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Obitus]
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As I have previously noted in 600C, it is historically wrong to consider the SB as the original Church of Satan's "established doctrine". It was a potboiler thrown together in 1969 on Peter Mayer of Avon's invitation to Anton to make some money from the then-current novelty of the Church and Anton himself.

Anton & Diane collected the "rainbow sheets" handouts of the Church into the "Book of Lucifer" and a similar handout on basic ritual for "Leviathan". [Previously these were just given to new members along with an introductory monograph, which is one of the first Appendices in my The Church of Satan. To fatten the book to acceptable paperback length, "Might is Right" padded the front and Crowley's Enochian Keys from his Equinox the back, with as much white-space as possible.

The book did its job, as much as anything on the mere strength of its "blasphemous" title. \:\/ And as such was duly howled about by idiots "discovering a copy at crime scenes!" thereafter. I think there must have been an outfit like the Gideons rushing to crime scenes to deposit complimentary copies.

Anyway before the ink was dry on the SB, within the Church itself it was already being superseded by our rapidly-evolving philosophy & scope. The book was at that point principally a curio, an altar decoration. No one, including Anton himself, went around deciding dogma by quoting from it the way J/Cs & Muslims do from the HB & K.

On the subject of conscious immortality, Anton and I had many discussions over the years, various of which are covered in CoS: Maeterlink, Plato, cryonics, etc. We hadn't gotten round to Egypt as the Temple of Set would later do, so were talking more in terms of the Platonic psyche - long since discarding the Freudian ego as a wrongly-applied concept here.

Anticipating what I've elsewhere described as the difference between the Egyptian ba & ka MindStar Emanations, Anton felt that the post-corporeal self has the option to remain relaxed, [9]ba[/i]-passive, or ka-active. In addition to these, the life-force can manifest in various of the other Emanations, resulting in ghosts, zombies, haunted areas/structures, etc. I thought he was on the right track then, and all the more so once we got into the original Egyptian sources later on in the Temple - cf. its Reading List, MindStar. & etc.

This is a subtle, complex, & fascinating area of inquiry & discovery. If you make the mistake of J/C and simplify it to cartoon-crudeness, it's easy to ridicule it.
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#114481 - 09/24/17 05:11 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I wasn't necessarily trying to make the case for the Satanic Bible being the end-all-be-all of the original CoS' attitudes and approaches to the topic of the soul. But Mr. Phoenecian seemed to be asking for some sort of basis for such an idea at all in "valid Satanism." And since he's an Atheist (and probably a fan of the Satanic Bible), I just assumed those lines from the Satanic Bible, as crude and simplistic as they are, at least provide a basis for the concept, no matter how simplified and undeveloped.

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#114485 - 09/24/17 11:51 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Obitus]
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Understodd of course. It's worth bearing in mind that all of history's religions, the Church of Satan and Temple of Set included, did not spring full-flower from their moment of inception. Rather there were extended periods of development, competing new ideas and reconsideration of old ones, all of which continues as long as the system does.

It's a little different in the case of the original Church of Satan, which came to a dead stop in 1975 as a vehicle of metaphysical initiation: thereafter its name just used for an atheistic Anton LaVey fan club. So its path-to-terminus is there to chart and record.

In his classic story Revolt of the Angels, extracted in CoS, Anatole France portrays a triumphant Satan who, upon assuming God's throne, is shocked to find himself strifled by the same defensive, paranoid dogma that he found so abhorrent as a rebel. We learned that it was essential to authentic Satanism to learn the same lesson, to constantly, as Nietzsche phrased it, "build horizons".
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#114615 - 10/04/17 11:22 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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What were your views, then, in that period of the church, Colonel? What were your shared metaphysics? Even now do you see your magical work as merely an extension of your own minds, even in evocation? Or is it something else?
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#114618 - 10/05/17 12:24 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: felidae]
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Anton and I both regarded the mind as distinct from the body, not a mere product of it. He obviously knew what constituted a good "carny show", including much of 6114's decor, but he also knew that these things had their power because of what they ultimately implied: that there is more to reality than the material, the obvious.

Profane religions know this too, but just stop there and use it to sell their business with silly stories, into which neither clergy nor flock bother or are permitted to look.

Anton and I both considered the Church of Satan's metaphysics as something very real, but yet to be discovered. We enjoyed thinking, talking about, working with it, for example his necromantic workings and experiments concerning Marilyn Monroe, as discussed in CoS. Neither he nor I was in any hurry to nail such things to the wall. We shared the incliination to take them extemporaneously, to let the puzzle gradually solve itself. Obviously we assumed we had plenty of time to let this percolate. Neither of us expected the 1975 crisis.

Contrary to media/public perception, neither one of us felt any need for ego-inflation, e.g. by acclaim, sycophancy, etc. So neither of us attempted to "impress" the other, and of course that's why we got along as comfortably as we did. When Santa Barbara reporter Mary Every asked Anton why he was relaxing at my place rather than doing something Night On Bald Mountinish on Halloween, he replied that Halloween for him was like New Year's Eve for a bartender. \:D

If 1975 hadn't happened, I think Anton would have continued metaphysical exploration much as the Temple has. That crisis forced him into an artificiality, a professed materialism that was so cynical, so grotesque that it gave me the creeps: a real-life Dr. Phibes. I've seen no sign that he ever took his "artificial face" off to anyone thereafter. His disdain for anyone mesmerized by the mask - Densley, Gilmore, et al. - was obvious to me, but just as obviously not to them.
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#114624 - 10/05/17 09:33 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Anton and I both regarded the mind as distinct from the body, not a mere product of it.


Are you a distinct person? Are you a product of your parents?

Is a sound a distinct thing?

You can use the word 'mere' to try to prop up your opinion as the more reasonable one, but the facts and evidence based on millions of man-hours of research tell us that the mind is, in fact, an emergent property of the brain.

Literally the only ones denying this anymore are the same religious nuts that deny evolution and the BB theory. (Which you also deny).

Special as you believe yourself to be in all the ways that matter you are just another faith believing Fundy(with black paint)
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#114652 - 10/08/17 07:34 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Dan_Dread]
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What was at the core, though? What was the takeaway? Fruits? Where did that nothing lead you to? Has the ToS refined it? Or are you struggling still?

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#114653 - 10/08/17 07:45 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: felidae]
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Has the ToS refined it? Or are you struggling still?
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#114654 - 10/08/17 07:51 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: felidae]
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What is yet to be "discovered" is what I'm after...The architecture...The Mountain...The Current under nothing...f that makes sense...There's always a new horizon...A new place...A place to keep looking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-gVLMNSV_Y
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#114655 - 10/08/17 08:03 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: felidae]
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#114656 - 10/08/17 10:15 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: felidae]
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You appear to be talking to yourself.  The way to do that here is to make multiple accounts and have them do that.

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What is yet to be "discovered" is what I'm after...The architecture...The Mountain...The Current under nothing... if that makes sense...There's always a new horizon...A new place...A place to keep looking:


For real or for pretend?

There's always a new horizon of knowledge. But extending that beyond "possibility"?  At best you can say "There is a trend in the direction for each 'horizon' of knowledge."

Unfortunately for Aquino, or anyone else taking specious liberties with their epistemology, it's trending away from all things metaphysical (like everlasting Christian mindstars).

Every infinite regress paradox argument out there is a good indication of the "next horizon". Apologetics just can't transmute to that next level of thinking.
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#114669 - 10/10/17 11:19 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: MA
The concepts and propositions for the existence, independence, & immortality of the individual MindSat are reviewed in my book of that title, as well as discussed in several archived threads here, of which "TF" is just the most recent. So no reason to retype any of that. Anyone interested has abundant research material and bibliographic options.


Since it's apparent that you admire Crowley's Liber AL vel Legis; so much in fact, that you imitated his model with "Coming Forth by Night". Is this your endeavor? To have the star you've emulated shine in the minds of others after you're gone? Look around you, Thelemites everywhere completely missed the point and argue endlessly about the comment. Seems the Khu is the Ka, after all.

I think Selassie said it best when he needled on the point of emanation. It degrades over time, it's a poor mediator of anything worthwhile.

Look at the thousand year's long debate of what Lucifer and the Satan were in context. Flash to today, Kitsch. Ideas can be immortal but like sparkly vampires, lost in translation.
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#114696 - 10/11/17 01:02 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3


Since it's apparent that you admire Crowley's Liber AL vel Legis; so much in fact, that you imitated his model with "Coming Forth by Night". Is this your endeavor? To have the star you've emulated shine in the minds of others after you're gone? Look around you, Thelemites everywhere completely missed the point and argue endlessly about the comment. Seems the Khu is the Ka, after all.


That paragraph makes it apparent that many Thelemites are FAR from the only ones who "completely missed the point" of Liber AL.

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#114703 - 10/11/17 05:24 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Obitus]
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Elaborate or GTFO. Empty statement is empty.

What is the point of it again?
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#114704 - 10/11/17 06:03 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: SIN3]
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Since you've read it yourself, and presumably Crowley's Commentaries on it (or at least one of them, if not all three), you probably already know the gist of it. You just reject it. But just to humor you, the Book is, essentially, what it says it is. It's a "statement of transcendental truth" as received by Crowley from a praeter-human intelligence. The "point" of it was to announce a New Aeon, and to set in motion forces that have brought us to the point we are at now. Anyone (including many so-called "Thelemites") who, for whatever reason, can't or won't admit to the reality of a transcendental existence beyond mere physical matter is not going to REALLY get the "point" of it. For them, it will be only a curious exercise in drug-addled poetry from a dead British guy. I make no claim whatsoever to be privy to the solutions to all of the mysteries in it. Neither did Crowley himself. But a full-blown materialist Atheist isn't in a position to even half-understand it in any real sense, because they won't accept either its origins, or much of the concepts its contents center around.
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#114726 - 10/12/17 06:26 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Obitus]
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 Originally Posted By: Obitus
Since you've read it yourself, and presumably Crowley's Commentaries on it (or at least one of them, if not all three), you probably already know the gist of it. You just reject it.


I'd say Thelemites wholesale reject it. To become a Thelemite was never the point, in fact the 'truth' of it, isn't what you're going on about.




But just to humor you, the Book is, essentially, what it says it is. It's a "statement of transcendental truth" as received by Crowley from a praeter-human intelligence. The "point" of it was to announce a New Aeon, and to set in motion forces that have brought us to the point we are at now. Anyone (including many so-called "Thelemites") who, for whatever reason, can't or won't admit to the reality of a transcendental existence beyond mere physical matter is not going to REALLY get the "point" of it. For them, it will be only a curious exercise in drug-addled poetry from a dead British guy. I make no claim whatsoever to be privy to the solutions to all of the mysteries in it. Neither did Crowley himself. But a full-blown materialist atheist isn't in a position to even half-understand it in any real sense, because they won't accept either its origins, or much of the concepts its contents center around.


Exactly my point.
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#114727 - 10/12/17 07:45 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Obitus]
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 Originally Posted By: Obitus
...the Book is, essentially, what it says it is. It's a "statement of transcendental truth" as received by Crowley from a praeter-human intelligence.


Yeah, well, there's some debate about how/when the book was written. I don't believe, personally, that "transcendental truth" comes from imaginary entities.

 Originally Posted By: Obitus
The "point" of it was to announce a New Aeon, and to set in motion forces that have brought us to the point we are at now.


Maybe the New Aeon bit was a gimmick for discrediting Mathers.

 Originally Posted By: Obitus
Anyone (including many so-called "Thelemites") who, for whatever reason, can't or won't admit to the reality of a transcendental existence beyond mere physical matter is not going to REALLY get the "point" of it. For them, it will be only a curious exercise in drug-addled poetry from a dead British guy.


If they think it's mostly about Crowley's literary output, they wouldn't be far off. That is where the gold lies hidden in Crowley's legacy, in my opinion.

 Originally Posted By: Obitus
I make no claim whatsoever to be privy to the solutions to all of the mysteries in it. Neither did Crowley himself.


And that is true about many a creative work: the artist can't see in it all there is to be seen.

 Originally Posted By: Obitus
But a full-blown materialist atheist isn't in a position to even half-understand it in any real sense, because they won't accept either its origins, or much of the concepts its contents center around.


And that view goes along with the spiritual orientations of the organizations associated with Thelema today, even though they are not Thelemic. Even a bit. The Crowley redesigned OTO is a branch of fringe Chistianity. The A.'.A.'. is straight up, Bible-based, ceremonial magic.

It was genius for Aquino to create a received work that references Crowley, to be used for the same purpose as Crowley's Book, substituting LaVey for Mathers. The significant difference being their literary legacies. If you've read any of Aquino's fiction, you'll know what I mean. Snooze fest.
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#114731 - 10/14/17 02:47 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Kori Houghton]
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So what's the truth? I'm a hillbilly, not an intellectual. All I can come up with is consciousness, not even necessarily an emergent property of gray matter. Physics breaking down at the smallest and largest scales is magic as well.

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#115280 - 11/24/17 01:32 AM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Phoenician]
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I tend to say to not worry too much about it.
You're in the now, which is a certainty (and probably the only one you have).
Those who tend to make a living out of the afterlife do so by reason they're actually living a dull life (or are way too fearful to divulge into the more risky/adrenaline-pumping aspects in life).
Or just people who want to create their safe-space.

A bit like putting on the label of Satanism and making a lifes work out of it by public defense with things like "we're not evil", "we condone such false rape accusations like any sane man", "we believe in Satan being a mere dark force" and other such watering downs.

I uphold the position that you walk life as you see fit. To pay the prices you must pay (or reap the rewards you have earned) and wait until the end to know what happens next.
It tends to work out quite fine.
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#115323 - 12/03/17 07:23 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: felidae]
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So, you're saying magic is what you cannot understand. In other words, physics is kind of "Magic for hillbillies". According to personal experience, it is easier to persuade a hillbilly about UFOs and magic, than about natural phenomena. That is why UFOs , magic or other unexplainable phenomena (Nessie, Bigfoot, etc , etc...) gain ground against science.
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#116332 - 05/25/18 03:43 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Phoenician]
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It's a difficult subject seeing as no-one will ever find themselves 'not existing' and nothing that exists is ever created or destroyed you just see a process of formation and dissolution. So I don't see why why consciousness should be some kind of exception to the rule but whatever. We're not going to live forever in the form we are in now anyway that's just something to deal with. Not that we would necessarily want to live eternally anyway. I wouldn't mind 500 years or something, not 500 billion years, that would blow if you think about how bored you would become in that time. Particularly if you don't have anything to achieve or do or care about.
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#116526 - 07/08/18 11:37 PM Re: The Aftermarket Afterlife [Re: Dark One]
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A vampire or the Immortals would have definitely have a different opinion. You always have to find someone to bite or cut his head off. By the way, why do you feel bored?
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