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#114520 - 09/28/17 04:08 PM Goths and Satan.
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Satanism is often linked on the media with headbangers, but what about goths? I seem to recall that, at least here, they're not seen favorably. Why is that? Sure, there are plenty goths out there who support social causes, but as the Cramps' second compilation title reads, goth and goth-related music are generally aimed at bad people; so at least for me it wouldn't be much of a stretch if there are goths out there with satanic tendencies who don't feel inclined to take selfies next to the Baphomet statue of TST (is that still a thing?).

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#114529 - 09/28/17 09:47 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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I find goths to be pretty much the only attention whores that are actually interesting. I like the look for sure. The rest I just find to be Emotional dramatic masturbation, but at least it's more interesting then others.
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#114531 - 09/28/17 10:49 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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Goths? What is this, the 90s?

They all grew up I think.
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#114533 - 09/29/17 02:13 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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There was a period it was popular being a Goth.
The only tie-in I can come up with is "teen angst sprinkled with edginess".

That was all there is to it really..
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#114536 - 09/29/17 10:25 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dimitri]
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I lived in San Francisco just as the height of the Goth scene was dying out, but met some fantastic individuals who would fall into that category. In fact, my girlfriend at the time owned and operated Shadow Of The Gargoyle on Haight St., which I managed for about 5 years until it crumbled; it was a shop that purveyed all things dark and curious, and became SF's de facto Goth central.

Goths were an interesting bunch. I'm talking adult goths, not high school ones. Many of them I suspect were CoS members. Had some great experiences and conversations with many of them.
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#114561 - 09/30/17 04:31 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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To be honest I consider goths to be more interesting than say, headbangers overall cause the former at least are into a wider range of human activities. The angsty phase is something all of them go through but eventually grow out of.

It's true many of them are too politically engaged, but others just want to have fun before life on earth is wiped out.
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#114566 - 10/01/17 12:45 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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Strange. Goth seems to have gone through phases, From The Cure to depressed black metal of sorts. I dont see Goth types slunking around these days. Funny how everyone says theyre so interesting, and cant say why. Well I cant seem to either \:\)
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#114585 - 10/02/17 04:58 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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Jokes aside. The Goth scene is still alive (dying a slow death). Not my preferred under-belly but in my opinion, they rock the symbolism to be shocking and perpetuate all things 'dark' thus they are called 'The Spooky Kids'. Even when they grow up.

In my personal interactions, they aren't Satanic. Hell, most of their world views aren't much different than the liberal politics you see in American media. Exactly that.

It's a fashion, nothing more. I've made some cry. They want me to stop being a 'bully'. If that's any indication.
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#114634 - 10/05/17 10:32 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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I don't care what you say--I don't care what you do--I am just so happy that you know that GOTHS and SATAN are two different tropes.
No, SATAN does not belong to GOTH culture.
I feel that Goth people tend to make themselves an idea that is very BRILLIANT and IMPORTANT to society--it's ironic because... well this still matters but honestly they are supposed to defend this fact that SATAN does not belong to GOTH.
1. You are brilliant for pointing this out.
2. I am oh so glad that this website is so smart.
(I love this website, MAN....!)
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#114639 - 10/06/17 11:56 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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... no one here has really stated as to why goth people are so interesting...

So I'll offer something here. One reason I like Goth people, is because for the most part, they keep to themselves and don't bother anyone, like, they know most aren't going to want to hear their shitty poetry, dull music or talk about their depressed feelings, so they sort of keep to their own tribe, and the good ones don't go on and on about it, so they come off sad but mature at the same time because they aren't all up in your face.

Maybe there is some good to come from woe after all...


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#114659 - 10/09/17 06:15 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

It's a fashion, nothing more. I've made some cry. They want me to stop being a 'bully'. If that's any indication.


It was a matter of time, I guess. Goths in my turf however, as I remember them at least, were the ones doing the bullying. They also don't care about discussing shit like politics at all (not with each other, anyway).
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#114660 - 10/09/17 08:18 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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Getting bullied by dudes wearing eyeliner? How humiliating.

Ive always found them to be the second least threatening classification of people, right below granola-hippy.
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#114661 - 10/09/17 09:42 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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That's still better than turning into a sobbing mess when their political beliefs get challenged.
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#114662 - 10/09/17 11:20 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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I..guess.

What?
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#114667 - 10/10/17 11:08 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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In what, High School? Have you grown up any? Nothing says 'man' like getting your ass whipped by a faggot.
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#114672 - 10/10/17 01:55 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: SIN3]
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Wow, you went there. Classy. Off base, once again. I know some ďfaggotsĒ that easily can kick the shit out of any hetero ďmanĒ.

Are you proud of your ignorant mindset? Is this what sets you apart, makes you oh so ďSatanicĒ? GTFO.
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#114675 - 10/10/17 02:26 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444
Wow, you went there. Classy. Off base, once again. I know some ďfaggotsĒ that easily can kick the shit out of any hetero ďmanĒ.

Are you proud of your ignorant mindset? Is this what sets you apart, makes you oh so ďSatanicĒ? GTFO.


I think you should check the word "irony" in your dictionary. You start having reading comprehension issues. All of your posts here reeked of sycophancy first, now they reek of butthurt. It's pretty nauseating.
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#114677 - 10/10/17 03:05 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Czereda]
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Sycophancy and butthurt. Thatís all youíve got?

Firstly, as I said in my second or third post here, I really donít give a shit what anyone thinks about me or my posts here. Iíve always made it clear that Iím a fan (ooooh, Iím actually admitting that I like somebody, here come the labels!) of Aquinoís, and that was the SOLE reason I signed up. So sue me.

Secondly, as much as it seems to delight you and some others, Iím not hurt in the least. Iíve been aware of the tone of this particular set of posters for a while, and quite frankly Iím usually amused but mostly bored with the shtick. So far, this little dark fuzzy little click of posers (posters) have added nothing of substance for meó-and heyóI get that the feeling is mutual.

So to recap, itís unfortunate that youíre stuck on these labels for people, because thereís lots of fun to be had. And, youíre not as intelligent or important to anyone else outside of yourself. So, have fun with your little brain dead click.

Back to work!
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#114683 - 10/10/17 08:15 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Oh snap, he dropped the "poser" word...

Thats a tell, though. It's not sychophancy or asshurt at all. Maybe it's a statement about the malleable nature of forum posters and established tone.

A few years ago it was "telling people what does and doesn't qualify as a satanic core" (what "born" means). This loosely affiliated group wasn't inclusive enough.

A common statement was: "Why does every time someone come in here with a spiritual leaning you people berate and ridicule their beliefs?"

You really come across like that's an unspoken motivation here...

Did we act like the hive mind you created this account expectating? As you have observed our behavior and all...

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#114684 - 10/10/17 08:41 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Phoenician]
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Whatever are you on about? Seriously, I'd like to respond, but, uh, I'm not sure what your statements are referencing.
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#114687 - 10/10/17 09:31 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444
Iíve always made it clear that Iím a fan (ooooh, Iím actually admitting that I like somebody, here come the labels!) of Aquinoís, and that was the SOLE reason I signed up. So sue me.

Genuine question: Why here, then?

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Iíve been aware of the tone of this particular set of posters for a while, and quite frankly Iím usually amused but mostly bored with the shtick. So far, this little dark fuzzy little click of posers (posters) have added nothing of substance for meó-and heyóI get that the feeling is mutual.

Why reply then, when the forum has this handy "ignore" feature?

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Fuck that. Why do you think I'm bothering to reply to you?
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#114688 - 10/10/17 09:55 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Why here? Iíve addressed that already, but Iíll say it again:
We have a rare opportunity to interact with Aquino here. Itís not like heís the most accessible guy around. I appreciate that, and am actually very thankful for the opportunity to do so. (ďSycophancyĒ.)

Ignore feature: I have Dan on ignore, but always toggle it back for fun. So I am aware and use the feature, but not wholeheartedly.

ďCliqueĒ: Thanks! The grammar Nazi in me was apparently on vacation. No snark in that statement, I love being corrected on spelling. I do it all the time. Itís important to me, so thank you, again.

Anything else?
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#114689 - 10/10/17 10:31 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Your presence is both interesting and "off".

Your motivation raises red flags that contrast with the character profile you're trying to establish. "An unapologetic sycophant white knight with a thick skin" is just off.

What follows is a character assessment considering all "details", like choice of Avatar and behavior in relation to that avatar.

It seems WAY too "baiting" to be sycophantic, and if you were seeking white knight martyrdom you would be more reactionary...

It's almost like there's an inference at play:

"Look how these people are. Watch what happens when I go in there and defend Aquino. Pitiful."

*** Note, while you probably are a genuine sychophant, I cant help but speculate.
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#114692 - 10/11/17 11:14 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Context matters but by all means continue... Teach me about 'class' and ignorance.


Language is more than vocabulary words.
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#114694 - 10/11/17 11:24 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: SIN3]
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Actually, youíre right. Youíve simply adopted the word for your given context. Kind of like when people call something they donít like ďgayĒ. Carry on.
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#114695 - 10/11/17 11:44 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Shouldn't that be 'sets sycophancy'


The TOS outgrew Satan as it's limiting and blah blah blah mindstar blah blah SU blah OU blah 1975 blah blah aardvark.
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#114697 - 10/11/17 01:17 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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I tend to appreciate people more when they are vocal about their own opinions.

Goths, or any other subculture, is just that. Sub.
Another community with a certain aesthetic people can flock to if it is to their liking. Trying to make a general equation where "Satan", "God" or other archetypical and/or hedonistic symbols is cognitive dissonance.

Sycophancy is just the act of being a spineless cunt.


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#114699 - 10/11/17 02:09 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dimitri]
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#114700 - 10/11/17 04:26 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri


Goths, or any other subculture, is just that. Sub.
Another community with a certain aesthetic people can flock to if it is to their liking. Trying to make a general equation where "Satan", "God" or other archetypical and/or hedonistic symbols is cognitive dissonance.



This.

Goth is just music and aesthetics. Generalizing everyone involved in it to make them seem as mindless drones is rather miopic. I've met communists goths, nazi goths, vegan goths, and all other sorts of colorful characters (though the adjective is probably not accurate). So if there are any goths out there worshipping Satan, I wouldn't be surprised at all.


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#114701 - 10/11/17 05:21 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444
Actually, youíre right.


Do tell.

Language isn't just personal adoption either. There's a reason you were triggered. People call homosexuals Faggots and Gays. The original terms have varying contextual applications in common use.

To include (but not limited to) reclaiming them. Such as using them as empowerment as per the LGBTQ 'identity'. That seems important to a certain type of person.
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#114705 - 10/11/17 06:19 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: SIN3]
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Absolutely. I *was* triggered momentarily, and then caught myself trying to fight a non-existent battle.

I'm pro-LGBT. I have close friends and family members who are gay. I've long been a champion for people loving who they love.

I'm also extremely politically correct at times, much to my own detriment in some cases, because I've stuck up for the underdog my whole life, and at times have lost my ability to "pick my own battles" in this. I wouldn't say I've been an outright martyr, but I will confess that at times in the past it has bordered on that, at least on the surface of things.

I feel akin to the LGBT "tribe" also in the sense that I've always lived my life as an outsider. I also feel this way about "special needs" people, or, as they're sometimes referred to, "retards".

Now. All that being said, I'm also a stickler for self responsibility, and like with any type of outsider, I feel it necessary to champion yourself, empower yourself, and carry your own torch, without relying on others to do so. So, in that sense, I don't feel any empathy towards any outsider that doesn't do this for themselves; no sense in being a supporter of someone who doesn't support themselves.

I'm pretty frazzled from work right now, so my thoughts are a little disjointed. You are absolutely correct, in that many use words originally designed to deflate as reclaimed words of empowerment and endearment.
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#114707 - 10/11/17 07:38 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444
Now. All that being said, I'm also a stickler for self responsibility, and like with any type of outsider, I feel it necessary to champion yourself, empower yourself, and carry your own torch, without relying on others to do so. So, in that sense, I don't feel any empathy towards any outsider that doesn't do this for themselves; no sense in being a supporter of someone who doesn't support themselves.


Licking Aquino's boots is a far cry from championing yourself. This is puzzling in light of chastising Dan for your perception of what he's contributed.

What torch have you lit?
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#114708 - 10/11/17 09:00 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: entropicmomentum]
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Come on, now. My appreciation and recognition for Aquino is a far cry from bootlicking. I have no shame in my excitement over people or things of great interest to me, and in some senses, itís more akin to being a pop culturalist; is that also frowned upon? Iím starting to get the sense that some people here really love boredom, so much so that it becomes a fashion.

Why is it so difficult to comprehend with some people on this forum that you can enjoy lifeís treasures excitedly and daringly?

My Ďchastisingí of Dan is a direct result of his hard-on for me. I actually have no real problem with him, or anyone here, for that matter. He responds his way, I do mine. No harm, no foul.

What torch have I lit? In what context? Iíve lit my own torch, generally speaking. As Iíve shared in posts prior, Iím a musician/songwriter at the core essence of my being. Iím also a bit of a musicologist, rock and roll mainly, and have contributed to that end in many different ways.

Iíll share an original song on this site soon.
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#114710 - 10/11/17 11:03 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Nothin' wrong with recognizing pop culture. I just find it odd to endorse self empowerment while following behind someone else.

That's not to say you can't find value in other people, but your behavior here comes across as hero worship, at least to me.
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#114713 - 10/12/17 09:31 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: entropicmomentum]
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The thing is, I have the rare ability to compartmentalize my worldly interests in a way that is separate from my magical self. In this way, Iím able to have fun with a plethora of things that never control me in ways you might think, but, rather, those things serve me as my entertainment lair. Iím a multi-faceted being, and have a pretty damn good mastery over myself.

I wasnít aware that Satanits here either donít have the ability to do that, or, even more disappointingly see no value in that ability. It appears to them that Iím merely a sycophant or a follower TOTALLY. Not so. Iím the master here.

I recognized a familiar in Aquino, and when I see/meet a familiar, Iím delighted. So much so, that it becomes even more fun when I begin to study more into a familiar and find that indeed, there are many truths shared commonly that bring me great satisfaction.

Thatís all.

My initial appearance here has turned some people off because I have a style of communication that can be pretty ďupĒ; I also like to think that I donít take things so seriously in this way, especially on an Internet forum, because, as Iíve said before, thereís much fun to be had..

Hope this clears some things up for you..

Enjoy your day, and thanks for your interest.
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#114715 - 10/12/17 09:46 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444


I'm pro-LGBT. I have close friends and family members who are gay. I've long been a champion for people loving who they love.


Perhaps it's the quality of people you make friends with? Is homosexuality ever just about sex? Why the leap to romance and rights? Do you just dismiss those people who happen to be homosexual and want no association with the LGBTQ categorization? How do you consider them, if at all?

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I'm also extremely politically correct at times, much to my own detriment in some cases, because I've stuck up for the underdog my whole life,
I find that people that support causes do so as an avoidance tactic. Never really addressing their own. Isn't it presumptuous to think that other people need your help? Want you to fight their battles?


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and at times have lost my ability to "pick my own battles" in this. I wouldn't say I've been an outright martyr, but I will confess that at times in the past it has bordered on that, at least on the surface of things.

I feel akin to the LGBT "tribe" also in the sense that I've always lived my life as an outsider. I also feel this way about "special needs" people, or, as they're sometimes referred to, "retards".
See my point? What does this actually do for you? What do you attain by doing so?

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Now. All that being said, I'm also a stickler for self responsibility, and like with any type of outsider, I feel it necessary to champion yourself, empower yourself, and carry your own torch, without relying on others to do so. So, in that sense, I don't feel any empathy towards any outsider that doesn't do this for themselves; no sense in being a supporter of someone who doesn't support themselves.

I'm pretty frazzled from work right now, so my thoughts are a little disjointed. You are absolutely correct, in that many use words originally designed to deflate as reclaimed words of empowerment and endearment.
How does that reconcile with championing causes for others? Is it a matter of "So long as they defend themselves, I'll defend them too?" Is that how you justify such behaviors?
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#114716 - 10/12/17 10:09 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: SIN3]
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No, I donít dismiss people who want no association with the LGBT crowd. In fact, I encourage them to empower themselves beyond hive mentality. Thatís how I ďhelpĒ them. And in reality, Iím talking about a handful of people who have called on me for guidance.

One of my best friends in the world for decades is gay, and has no interest in the community, and in fact has disdain for much of them BECAUSE of the hive mentality. So when I say Iím pro-LGBT crowd, I mean to say that I see value in much of what they fight for, because in a lot of ways, they are just fighting to be comfortable in their own skin. Donít pretend for a minute that you never had that battle yourself at some point in life. You werenít born a Satanist. Unless youíre Zeena LaVey, you were born into a Judeo-Christian life that youíve had to unlearn. You canít tell me otherwise. I wonít believe you. Iíve known you before, when your name was Heather Sharver.

You asked what I attain by doing this. Personally, it helps me to revise my own ability to articulate better, communicate more clearly, and to sharpen my social skills, respectfully.

As for the quality of friends I make: I have a select few close friends, and prefer to keep it that way. I do, however, lend a certain accessibility to each one that I wouldnít otherwise. Thatís what friends do. Or at least what I do.


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#114717 - 10/12/17 10:17 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444
The thing is, I have the rare ability to compartmentalize my worldly interests in a way that is separate from my magical self. In this way, Iím able to have fun with a plethora of things that never control me in ways you might think, but, rather, those things serve me as my entertainment lair. Iím a multi-faceted being, and have a pretty damn good mastery over myself.

Every religious person in the world does that, you aren't special. You use logic and reason in your day to day like the rest of us, but maintain a dissonance for that which you would prefer to be true yet can't actually justify.

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I wasnít aware that Satanits here either donít have the ability to do that, or, even more disappointingly see no value in that ability. It appears to them that Iím merely a sycophant or a follower TOTALLY. Not so. Iím the master here.

I see it as willful self delusion. Your milage as to it's usefulness might vary, but I generally view it as anathema.

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I recognized a familiar in Aquino, and when I see/meet a familiar, Iím delighted. So much so, that it becomes even more fun when I begin to study more into a familiar and find that indeed, there are many truths shared commonly that bring me great satisfaction.

And proceeded to fawn over him like a 12 year old girl at a beiber concert. Frame it how you will.

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My initial appearance here has turned some people off because I have a style of communication that can be pretty ďupĒ; I also like to think that I donít take things so seriously in this way, especially on an Internet forum, because, as Iíve said before, thereís much fun to be had..

Up? Up Aquino's ass I guess. As for your own insights or content, I can't recall a single salient point or original thought you have presented.

What would you say is your best post here containing either of these things? Maybe I just missed something.
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#114719 - 10/12/17 10:35 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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As I said before, Dan, I donít give a damn, my dear. Your shtick is stale. Iím not here to prove my worth to you or anyone else. Iím equally as bored with you.

My best posts are in the Favorite Music threads. Thatís what Iím about and have always been about. I like to rock and roll. Way more fun than constantly sniffing people's butts like a dog trying to figure out if theyíre one of your kind, which is exactly what you do.

Toodles!
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#114720 - 10/12/17 01:35 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Dark Light 444]
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LOL I knew you weren't my kind after your first post.

The rest has been merely fun at your expense. I see you basically as a turd on the doorstep.
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#114739 - 10/14/17 11:57 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Sargeist]
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 Originally Posted By: Sargeist
Satanism is often linked on the media with headbangers, but what about goths?


"Goth" is mostly a music/fashion-driven social clique with a lot of sub-categories that bleed into each other. I like some of the music and fashion myself. Because of its emergence among the socially-marginalized of modern urban society, they tend to be more sympathetic to liberal causes and would often like to think of themselves as more tolerant and accepting than your average person. But ultimately, people are people and the "scene" still has its lion's share of hive-minded stupidity.

In America during the 1990s there was a wave of of moral panic that sensationalized the image of the devil-worshiping teen dressed like a walking Hot Topic. Yet beyond the outmoded and passe stereotype of youthful rebellion, anything "Satanic" about goth is pretty much limited to the aesthetic and the superficial. And while on one hand I hesitate to make value judgements on people based solely on appearance or personal taste, on the other hand my experience has generally led me to the conclusion that who most "dress the part" are usually the least likely to have an enduring interest or understanding of Satanism--esoteric or otherwise.


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#114740 - 10/14/17 01:34 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Goth people are interesting because they want to be interesting and many other things of COURSE because they are people who are perceiving who want to be respected. Thank you.
We should honestly give a darn--they're people.
\:\)

Yes, I would generally say that GOTHIC people want to be RESPECTED as they RESPECT YOU.
(They are intelligent.)
Have you ever heard of wanna-be-goth?

Maybe you're just looking at posers--the ones that you do not like.
Actual goth people are very respectable and love to be respected as well. They're also very nice.
I also find it that they are DARK and EVIL.... (You know--SATANIC.)
I want you to know that despite being EVIL, it would be that they are very amazing people, indeed.
I would say that goth people are supposed to be respected. The ones that deserve it. The ones that try hard to get it.

Woe is me--woe--whoa.
Wait--I get it--you are a person who is someone who thinks that it's good to think of woe at this point because something good is going to come from it. XD
I have news for you--maybe not??? If it's the woe I am thinking about.

Anwyays, please remember that I am very much happy to say that hating on people who are DARK is getting old.
Y'all here on this website are DARK too--it's funny. I don't know what to say.

Yes--DARK people need respect too. The word is DARK.

You are DARK as well--you are on this website. You are DARK--you could be EVIL as well because some DEVIL WORSHIPPERS are on here.

One more thing--I did NOT say that you are goth just because you are DARK as well. \:\)

You might not even be dark--you could be someone who is just interested.
Anyways.... what I'm trying to say is that the most important part is that if you JUDGE it's just that. It's that you don't think you're JUDGING, anyways.

My advice and my point: It was that you are someone who wants to be perceiving--and I believe you! Just remember that you could do no wrong then, honestly--because it's a good world. \:\)

Thank you.


~A continuation, my dear~
WOE: A great sadness.
No, woe is intolerable.
Woe is not good--is never good--and is not pretty on anyone, thank you.
Please remember this as I tell you that there has to be a line. Even if you are EMO.
Ok? Ok. Thank you for listening.
Please take care, yourself.
~~

Well that's all I have to say about that~! Hehe, what else? \:\)
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#114741 - 10/15/17 12:59 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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You look exactly like how I visualized the person writing this would look.

Dogs fucked the pope?
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#114743 - 10/15/17 09:04 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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Who knows, there may be a Goth or two out there more Satanic than many Satanists.

I think what matters is how one is able to apprehend themselves.

As for good coming of woe, I re-direct you to 'Dark' Butters...



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#114744 - 10/15/17 11:15 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Phoenician]
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How do you know that's me? \:\) Haha. <3

What do you mean by that?
Do you think that the Pope was not protected enough? XD I think he was, in fact. It's good--too. The Pope is majorly important for religion--and I know religion may kind of be corrupt these days but in some strange way talking about corruption keeps us together these days. ^^ <3

You are very funny. \:\)
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#114745 - 10/15/17 11:19 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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But you must remember that the woe he felt while in woe before he got a gift was INTOLERABLE, still.
The word: INTOERABLE.

I do not wish you or anyone or me to have woe--haha. Never. Never ever. EVER.

I don't really think that Goth people are more SATANIC than SATANISTS in some way. \:\)
Why?: Because SATANISTS are that master. (The attribute belongs them.)
I'm not sure if goths even really want to be SATANIC. Nope. Some want to be ARTISTS, you know? Ok.
That's enough of that conversation.

Now listen--if you do not know how to apprehend thyself--just remember that all you have to do is be there for yourself.
It's called being there for yourself.
Ok? Ok. It's going to be okay--

Thank you.
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#114746 - 10/15/17 02:04 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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I was just saying there is a fine difference between a label and true self understanding.
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#114780 - 10/16/17 09:31 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Okay, that's fine. That's absolutely fine. Please avoid one liners. It's absolutely fine. Fine.#

There is a fine difference, yes. And what may that be? Well it would be that there was absolutely just this one thing: PROPERTY. Such an intrigue. \:\)

Yeah.

Ok so one more thing--you're a really smart person aren't you? That's really great. \:D
It's really great that you get to share your intellect with the world, you know? That's great. Great!

It was that the truth was... I was a person who was not a shell of my former self, because that was not my property.

This is my point, comrade:
My point is, friend, is that you are right. That's my point.
You are absolutely right.

'True self understanding' is per se another word for... something heartful and passionate. Something we want.
A label is something like GOTH or EMO or PREP, of course~!

All I know is that people think that these LABELS that we call ourself and are 'called' are preventing us from a true self understanding--or heartful things.

I totally read you. I totally get it.

We can end this conversation now. Thank you.
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#114792 - 10/17/17 12:11 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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Sometimes people tend to associate only by tribe, and that alone becomes the limit. Personal capacities vary, but my point is that some only have a rudimentary sense of personal understanding. It is in this insecure point where people take on labels, most of the time.

"Something we want"

Yes, personal aprehension leads to greater life opportunity, experience and satisfaction.
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#114813 - 10/19/17 03:13 AM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Hmmm, for sure.

You have a really good grasp on idealism and most of all, you have a very good grasp on happiness, of course. That is something that is pretty predictable for a person on this website because they are all very smart.#--

One thing I could say was that I really like it--I have no complaints. I wonder if you have anything else to tell me like how much you like to have happiness in your life or maybe even tell me this really awesome thing and that is....; Why you think that GOTHS are so misunderstood.

Me, personally--? I think that GOTHS are so misunderstood because... #It was that they were confronted with a bunch of posers. It gets really FUNNY, yeah--but it's actually true.
It's not a poor excuse. You know what I mean? Okay. \:\)

Anyways.... haha.... <3
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#114879 - 10/22/17 07:28 PM Re: Goths and Satan. [Re: 2ndHandSatanist]
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I don't know what you mean by idealism. As for happiness, the methods one employs to obtain it are overlooked in favour of immediate reward. Tribulation has its own to offer, depending how you handle yourself.

Goths misunderstood? Maybe some only pose as goth but don't understand what it means to be goth. Same for any group.
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