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#114543 - 09/29/17 01:57 PM Big Mouth - 2017
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Social attitudes like this one towards sex aren't just held by Christians. Plenty of people from all walks of life consider such subject matter depravity (even those so-called Satanists). They claim that society is normalizing pedophilia (as if it isn't already Nomos), and that every show with a sexual slant is grooming children to be deviants. That having done so, they will have dysfunction in their sex lives. Some argue that this is why we have a growing trend in gender-dysphoria, homosexuality, and sexual fetishes.

Seems a lot of moral indignants are having a hard time with this. What about you? Would you let your kid watch it? What do you think about these growing themes in animation?

Netflix, has it rated "MA" for mature audiences. Wouldn't it be at the parent's discretion whether their kid is mature enough? If a kid happens upon it, isn't it a parent's responsibility to breach the subject?
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#114544 - 09/29/17 02:07 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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Pedophilia is pretty gross and weird, and more common than people like to admit. I understand the stigma towards it, but at the same time like I mentioned in another post, these backlash videos against the subject are usually the god-fearing church-goers.

Another nomian theme, blaming every one of your problems and sexual repression on some weird 'cult' working behind the scenes. Nothing subliminal about it.

As for parenting... I personally wouldn't let my child watch a lot of TV. It isn't the content so much as how well the children are able to grasp what to take seriously, and what not to. That's up to the parents, who more often than not have it all back asswards. Big fucking deal, retard sex cartoons sell, the world turns, idiots breed their fatass stupidity, one fucked generation after the next.


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#114549 - 09/29/17 05:18 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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They claim that society is normalizing pedophilia (as if it isn't already Nomos), and that every show with a sexual slant is grooming children to be deviants.


This is because most people have a hard time accepting a simple fact that children (even those very young ones) are sexual beings and that they can feel sexual arousal. They prefer to think that kids are asexual and innocent by nature and it's adults who corrupt them.

You can see "deviant" behavior in any story or fairy tale if you're desperate enough. Take Sleeping Beauty, for example. The knight's quest to the castle can well stand for sexual penetration.
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#114552 - 09/29/17 05:49 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Czereda]
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Its not just that. Many people are all kinds of repressed, sexually or otherwise and find many ways of passing that on to their children, through food abuse, sexual abuse, violence, children are the frist targets. Plus kids can be very stressful, so the temptation to pass along abuse is too great for many to resist.

All you need to do is come to America, and see little five year old children who are close to weighing as much as a teenager. You think if these parents loved their kids, they'd do everything to make sure they are not the losers they've themselves have become, but as it stands, its the opposite.
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#114555 - 09/30/17 12:21 AM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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This actually looks pretty tame compared to say..Rick and Morty, or many other adult themed cartoons.

I find it amusing that this Puritanical conspiracy theorist moron sees pedophilia everywhere. I think the story here is his own kink..
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#114557 - 09/30/17 12:36 AM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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and that every show with a sexual slant is grooming children to be deviants. That having done so, they will have dysfunction in their sex lives. Some argue that this is why we have a growing trend in gender-dysphoria, homosexuality, and sexual fetishes.


At 11 my "dysfunction" started and it had nothing to do with society sexualizing me, or even having the gender roles reversed in my household. It was the contrast with normative puritan morality and not wanting to be different in THAT way.

What followed was years of bargaining away tendencies caused by an in utero androgen level.

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Seems a lot of moral indignants are having a hard time with this.

The most morally indignant rank alongside the ones citing the ancient greeks as justification vis a vis that computer full of pubescent porn.

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What do you think about these growing themes in animation?


I like Mr. Pickles The "satanic" dog more.
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#114559 - 09/30/17 02:24 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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I'm not denying that children can be hurt in various ways by adults. What I'm contesting is the widespread belief that small children lack sexual instinct, that they are "pure and innocent" unless "corrupted" by some adult "deviants", porn or violent movies.

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#114565 - 09/30/17 10:16 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Czereda]
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I wasnt denying your statement I agree more or less, just saying out that these weird behaviors are a symptom of a broken society. I neither advocat or sympathize, only pointing it out.

I dont think that is something people belive, but is wide spread. Most parents find out pretty fast just how early sexuality happens, they just dont know how to approach it, so it goesat best, ignored at worst, punished.


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#114582 - 10/02/17 01:46 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Phoenician]
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What followed was years of bargaining away tendencies caused by an in utero androgen level.


Care to elaborate? Functionality doesn't account for behavior or preference. What tendencies did you bargain away?
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#114583 - 10/02/17 02:55 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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Sure, I'll elaborate.

The pain of realizing your mom knows how to check internet history. And then she puts a bunch of customized sounds (in place of "welcome") to say "Caught you."

The "bargaining away preference" was like in Dogma when Jay took Silent Bob to the strip club...

And the preference was the result of in utero androgen transmission...


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#114584 - 10/02/17 04:53 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Phoenician]
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And the preference was the result of in utero androgen transmission...


Could you explain that in detail? How are preferences transmitted in utero? What are you trying to say here? Plain English.
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#114588 - 10/02/17 10:48 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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It's one of those science things, and it's in english

Or you can tell me how that is "an argument of fish" again...

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#114590 - 10/03/17 12:43 AM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Phoenician]
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Take Two: Linked the wrong study...

Let me try that again.
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#114595 - 10/03/17 11:10 AM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Phoenician]
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It's one of those science things, and it's in english

Or you can tell me how that is "an argument of fish" again...

I'm aware of such studies. Peer to Peer socialization being key in nurturing. Hence my confusion here, especially with regard to your statements of 'bargaining away' these tendencies.

Even parental influence plays a role in it, especially if the handling of pubescence and sexual development are treated poorly.

Let's be real here eh?
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#114597 - 10/03/17 02:37 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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Ok, I'll be real.

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Peer to Peer socialization being key in nurturing.


Maybe in the sense I didn't want to be the faggot, but that was the second part. I didn't want to be the 4th thing that didn't belong with the other three.

Maybe I should've blamed Sesame Street?

And bargaining in the sense of internal justification. All follows the stages of acceptance (usually associated with grief). And I didn't want to have faggotry be part of my outward persona, so I crammed it way down inside with lies I tell to delude my self-image.

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Even parental influence plays a role in it, especially if the handling of pubescence and sexual development are treated poorly.


No, no. I treated my parents poorly.  My mom approached it differently, but the only thing calling me out how she did, did was give me more reason to never admit she was right.

 Not there's anything wrong with the stubborn rejection of another's attempt to coerce your actions, especially when done in an indirect side-stepping manner.

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#114598 - 10/03/17 05:11 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Phoenician]
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Ok I follow. See? How hard was that? Are you that ashamed of it that you forcefully use cryptic writing to mask it?

Can't say I find it relatable but I can understand it. People want to feel sameness and acceptance. Alienation can be a lonely place; especially if you can't even stand yourself.
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#114599 - 10/03/17 05:42 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: SIN3]
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Can't say I find it relatable but I can understand it. People want to feel sameness and acceptance. Alienation can be a lonely place; especially if you can't even stand yourself.


There's always lessons to learn in life. That's what I thought I needed to do to establish my selfish teenage will, and that continued on well into adulthood..

The lesson taken from that was: Who the fuck needs a group, anyway? Solo sessions are also fun in the GTA Online of life.

Then you learn to actually enjoy the solitude, and even the madness. No source of "comfort" outside oneself is needed because you actually enjoy the "suffering". Why eliminate the thing that pushes you most and makes you strongest?
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#114613 - 10/04/17 08:30 PM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Puberty is gross and awkward has been a theme on multiple comedies for ages. The subject matter itself is not really transgressive. But I think there are two elements of the treatment that are skeeving people out:

(1) There are actual depictions of cartoon genitalia. That is a line rarely but not never crossed--see giant clitoris in the Southpark movie. But these are explicitly the genitalia of a pubescent girl. Giant disembodied Southpark clit was an adult clit for all we know.

I don't think direct depiction of preteen vulva, in particular, has ever been done, and I can see why some might clench at the thought.

(2) See below...

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
This actually looks pretty tame compared to say..Rick and Morty, or many other adult themed cartoons.

Point of contrast: The treatment of preteen/teen sexuality in Rick and Morty is generally tempered by the reactions of adult characters acting as a stand-in for the audience. Those characters reflect the intent of the creators. For instance, when Morty is humping the sex robot, the whole family is aware of what's going on and accepts it as typical behavior for a kid his age, but is still awkwardly skeeved out and doesn't want to know.

In the trailer for Big Mouth, the only characters front and center from which we hear are the kids. So I can see where's this uncomfortable reaction, wondering what the intent behind it is. I get that it's supposed to be humorous and hearken back to the viewer's own awkward pubescent moments, but it's not spelled out as clearly.


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#114625 - 10/05/17 10:38 AM Re: Big Mouth - 2017 [Re: XiaoGui17]
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It’s ten episodes of television that could only be made in this format because, as is noted in meta-fashion in the last installment, if it weren’t animated, it would skate way too close to being child pornography.
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Which is why people are pretty freaked out by it. If it weren't animated, it crosses lines for a lot of viewers. "Coming of Age" teeters on Who the fuck are you kidding?

I agree, it is breaking new ground for the U.S. This is pretty Vanilla stuff in contrast to say...Japanese Animation.
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