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#114854 - 10/21/17 08:28 AM Occult in film list
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No specific order, I'll add to it as I work on it, but these are all genre films I've seen and recommend. Enjoy!

1 Rosemary’s Baby (1968) – A masterpiece. Faithfully sourced from the Levin novel and masterfully cast. Ruth Gordon wins the SA Oscar for her turn as a frighteningly normal coven member. “The year is ONE!”

RB

2 Angel Heart (1986) – General occult, vodou, and a pact with Lucifer gone wrong. De Niro’s Satan is brilliant. He IS my favorite Satan in film by a longshot. The twist ending catches most by surprise and it is topnotch from every aspect from cinematography to score. A MUST watch if you haven’t seen it already. “How terrible is wisdom when it brings no profit to the wise, Johnny.”

AH

3 A Dark Song (2016) – A wrathful mother hires an occultist to help her complete the Abramelin ritual at a secluded, rented manor in the Welsh countryside. A minimalist treat with all the elements in place. The end scene with the HGA is a great counterpoint to the otherwise drably filmed exercise in great film-making.

ADS

The Magus (1968) – A brilliant turn by Quinn as a greek mentalist cat toying with Micheal Caine’s mouse. Many aspects of the craft of film are dated in this but it’s worth a watch by any standard in this woefully underrepresented film genre, IF you can find it to watch.

TM


4 The Gate – ( ) – Included for its end sequence, mainly, and a film I enjoyed as a kid. Young Stephen Dorff raises hell on Earth, inadvertently, with the help of a metalhead friend while his parents are away on vacation. Great stop motion animation and final demon design! Corny, but fun.

TG

5 The Ninth Gate (1999) – Just watch it. Frank Langella tries to acquire a complete version of a grimoire that will give him godlike knowledge. A twist on Faust…The black market book world…And faux Illuminati hijinx in a sleeper Polanski gem.

T9G


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#114856 - 10/21/17 09:25 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: felidae]
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5 The Ninth Gate (1999) – Just watch it. Frank Langella tries to acquire a complete version of a grimoire that will give him godlike knowledge. A twist on Faust…The black market book world…And faux Illuminati hi-jinx in a sleeper Polanski gem.


Out of all the movies you've listed, this is my favorite. I watch it every time it is on and suggest getting a copy of the DVD/Blu Ray if only for the commentary. The whole idea behind this movie from the "thoroughly unscrupulous" antiquarian book expert Dean Corso (played masterfully by Johnny Depp) to the over the top evil of Boris Balkan (Frank Langella) and the mystery/thriller tale that follows is wonderful. The best, and in my opinion, understated part of the film is watching Depp's character slowly to turn into the person he openly despises at the beginning of the film. Well worth a watch if you've never seen it.

Not on your list, but I think a worthy edition: The Devil's Advocate (1997) starring Keanu Reeves and Al Pacino.

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#114864 - 10/22/17 02:16 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: felidae]
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Lots of fun stuff in RB, such as Rosemary putting Hutch's book in the case next to Sammy's memoir, Producer Bill Castle doing a cameo outside of the phone booth when R is trying to call Dr. Hill, and my favorite scene: an eerie, nightmarish Nativity Scene in a NYC dept store window, with R's reflection looming over it in the window glass. We held the 2nd Eastern Conclave of the CoS in NYC in 1972, with a Priesthood dinner across the street from the Bramford (the Dakota) at the restaurant that inspired Minnie's famous "chocolate mouse". Ours had no chalky understate.

There wasn't anything "occult" in The Magus, unless you count Conchis' Tarot stunt and the entrance costumes at the show trial. The Greek ship captain at the beginning who utters the one word "Phrases" is novel author John Fowles. If you like the film which is indeed perfectly cast, the novel is much longer and better. The film got abysmal box office because the plot is so weird. If you've read the novel, it all fits.

The greatest scene in Angel Heart has to be De Niro (as the Devil) talking casually about the human soul while peeling a hard-boiled egg with his sharp-pointed fingernails. "Louis Cypher": Gimme a break! Had a hard time concentrating on the plot because gumshoe Mickey Rourke looked so dirty and sweaty all the time. Ick.

I thought Frank Langella did a superb job in Sphinx, but after that I could't get past his chick flick Dracula. I know, picky picky. So 9th Gate rolled off me.
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#114867 - 10/22/17 07:15 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Cool RB anecdotes. I'd heard LaVey supposedly played Satan, and I've also heard he didn't. Every scene DeNiro is in he owns. He looks bemused, especially when Angel cusses in Church and professes to be an Atheist. I included The Magus because of his title and the mental aspect. I liked Langella in the 9th Gate. I thought he did an adequate job portraying a bored, controlling, too-rich occultist...and he must have suited Polanski, who, like the Coens, only includes actors that can portray exactly what it is that encapsulates his vision of the role.
There's more, and I'll add to it, as I indicated. I didn't include "The Devil's Advocate" because, to me, it has no occult undertones. Just because Satan is in it doesn't necessarily make it occult, after all, or I'd have included "The Devil and Daniel Webster" - I'll add The Void today. Just caught that one.


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#114884 - 10/23/17 12:13 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: felidae]
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No, Anton had nothing to do with RB. When I was teching that Oscar-quality Asylum of Satan in Kentucky ca. 1971, I ordered the RB Devil suit from Western Costume, and it was way too small to have fit Anton (6'/200 lb). A woman had to wear it, and it was so heavy that "Abandon" fell flat on his face the first time we shot the scene. Zeena later confirmed that it was a slight male ballet-dancer type who wore it in RB. You can also freeze-frame the DVD and see that the eyes are artificial "at's eyes" rather than Anton's. His non-involvement was also confirmed in Castle's memoir Step Right Up: I'm Gonna Scare the Pants Off America.

Anton was involved with various TV shows like Lancer, and of course completely involved with The Devil's Rain.

Chris Lee kept saying that he wanted to remake DRO with modern SFX, but he's never have found a better Mocata than Charles Gray. Also half the fun with Hammer was its addiction to big boobs. Valerie Leon as Tera in Blood from the Mummy's Tomb proved how outstanding ancient Egypt really was.

The ladies Drac favorite was Langella, of course. The one they all dislike is Kinski's Nosferatu. There's a scene where he's about to neck-chomp the heroine, but before he does, he takes one yellow-taloned hand and slides her nightdress about a half-inch up her thigh with an utterly lecherous leer on his face. Every woman in the theater is cringing and saying ick ick ICK.
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#114886 - 10/23/17 12:48 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I was unfamiliar with "The Devil's Rain" - but a googling led me to this quote on it which I quite enjoyed: "Michael Adams ironically called The Devil's Rain "the ultimate cult movie": "It's about a cult, has a cult following, was devised with input from a cult leader, and saw a future superstar indoctrinated into a cult he'd help popularize."
Great line.


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#114922 - 10/24/17 07:43 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: felidae]
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By that reasoning The Ninth Gate shouldn't have been included, since the only thing really occult about it outside of the book being a character unto itself, is a few scenes with ritual garb, Balkan attempting to perform the ritual of the Nine Gates (and we know how that little experiment goes) and the "angel/demon" unnamed woman who helps Corso when he seemingly needs it most. After that, it's a murder mystery.

The reason I included The Devil's Advocate was because of what I see as certain scenes and dialogue through out the film that are Satanic and occult.

As an example:

-John Milton's (Pacino) ability to be in two places at once. He's having sex with Maryann while also in the courtroom with Kevin towards the end of the film.

-Faces and images shifting in multiple scenes turning to demonic elements.

-Eddie Barzoone getting murdered by two demonic homeless men, while John Milton discusses how he can't help him anymore (what I took as a conjuring of the event).

And multiple others, but I don't want to belabor the point. As you can tell, I just really enjoy the film. I will admit, it is definitely not as an "in your face" occult film like a Rosemary's Baby.

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#114929 - 10/24/17 02:22 PM Re: Occult in film list [Re: felidae]
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6 The Holy Mountain (1973) - The film is more a less a symbolic language unto its own. Cult director Alejandro Jodorowski himself appears within as the alchemist. It is heavily laden with tarot symbolism, and, interestingly makes less sense the more you repeat view it.

THM

7 Beyond Lemuria (2007) - A straight-up occult mindfuck if ever there was one, this movie used to be nigh unfindable, but of course it's on the internet now. You won't dream anything recognizable for a week if you watch this in one sitting

Beyond Lemuria


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#114938 - 10/24/17 06:10 PM Re: Occult in film list [Re: felidae]
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If you're looking for a fun Devil-film, I recommend Exotcist III.

The first film was of course the famous obscenity/pea-soup caper, with nothing much supernaturral beyond a glimpse of the old Assyrian Pazuzu. What's less known is that the film also included a subliminal flash of Captain Howdy, which you can see here.

Exorcist II was a flop, even with Richard Burton providing star-power, but E3 is great fun. Blatty's novel, Legion, contains some very thoughtful Satanic philosophy, which unfortunately didn't make it to the movie. But the movie is a riot of "out of the corner of your eye" surprises - longer than subliminal, but so quick that you will need the freeze frame on your DVD player to enjoy them. There are also many sneaky one-liners that turn out crucially significant later, as well as some cute cameos by celebs. George Scott reprises his Patton-yelling here and there, again I think just for the fun of it. Unlike the exorcism scene in E1, you see plenty of Hellions in this one,

When I was in Washington for events at CIA or DIA, I used to stay in Georgetown because it's so Colonial cute. The only annoyance is no Metro station, which I understand they did on purpose to deter commercialism. So every day I had to go down those damned steps to the bridge, then over the bridge to the Metro across the Potomac. Then up the steps in the evenings. Do that every day for a week and you don;t need to bother with the gym. I can see why Karras just went down the easy way.

Incidentally if you order E3 on Netflix, consider also getting Repossessed, in which Linda Blair comic-reprises her Regan role. It's slapstick, but like Betty Boop, "she's still got it".
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#114958 - 10/25/17 12:39 PM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Exorcist 3 stands with Firestarter for George C. Scott's most uninspired performances. I thought the film laughable, at best, and overly relying on jump scares. I think the writer of the original exorcist novel directed it? Poorly. At least in the respect that he was obviously NOT an actor's director.
The gaping plothole where Karras somehow survives the fall in Georgetown was kind of par for the course in that miserable film. Any of that group of films that tried to wring more bucks for the studio following the masterpiece that was the original are all consigned to Suckville. Good lord, and it spawned a piteous bunch of wannabe possession films.
The story Blatty borrowed on about the young boy supposedly possessed and "exorcised" by a couple of Jesuits in RL is an interesting story, to be sure, but the lead "exorcist" pretty much admitted the kid was just mentally ill, and there was no supernatural agency involved with his antics. nor projectile vomiting or head spinning etc. I've never seen a you tube exorcism that had anything legitimately super-human in it. I have heard tell of people getting bumps on the head and then speaking in languages unknown to them previously. That's pretty fascinating! But I doubt "Lucifer" is to blame, more like there is something in the supposition that consciousness is a field shared by all of us in some unfathomable way.
Perhaps Crowley was right when he offered that the demons occultists play around with are only creations of our own psyches. It's funny how the RCC has openly publicized their need for more exorcists to be trained. Flagging attendance to blame and scare tactics no doubt.


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#114960 - 10/25/17 12:57 PM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Azathoth68]
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Exorcist two was pretty nice. I see it as a blatant advertising of a new young starlet, in this case, Linda Blair and her gorgeous tits.

The first time I saw something 'satanic' in horror was when I saw The Exorcist at about 6 and a half years old. I saw Exorcist three a few years later, and I remember the freak on the ceiling really startled me. Seems like since then, there always has to be someone crawling on the ceiling.

I also wish they would have kept a scene from the first film, where she comes down the stairs, and after the spider walk does the lizard tongue. It was better than the 'blood mouth' IMO.
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#114963 - 10/25/17 02:44 PM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Lind Blair's rack is legendary, even in Hell. Exorcist 2 was just laughably awful. I think it's still on most of the top 10 lists of worst movie ever made. Not worst HORROR movie ever made, worst MOVIE ever made. Richard Burton should have had his knighthood revoked for allowing himself to appear in that celluloid abortion. He looks yellow from jaundice around the gills in it, as it wasn't too long after that was filmed that his heavily scarred liver finally exploded. That was the coffin nail for Linda Blair's career as well. She developed a Hollywood-Grade coke habit during the filming of that and was forever consigned to the B-Ranks after it flopped. Now she's living out her life on twitter crusading for animal rights and hawking her nudie shots at horror conventions for twenty bucks a pop. I think Ellen Burstyn is the only one left alive from the exorcist now besides Blair.

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#114968 - 10/26/17 12:35 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Azathoth68]
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Couple of minor comments:

The "spider walk" scene is in the "version you've never seen" DVD of E1.

Richard Burton was not knighted. He was a Commander of the British Empire (CBE). The next step up would have been KBE, an "artistic" knighthood like Sean Connery's.

The "ceiling walk" was in E3, not E1. Yes, E3 was a put-on, with as you pointed out, several "jump scenes". But I think it's obvious that everyone including Scott, was playing it tongue-in-cheek.

When E1 came out, it was one of the first movies I can recall that was a "social event". In LA & NYC there were lines around the block, and these quickly became costume, music, and refreshments street parties. There was a gag phono record The Hexorcist, in which a NYC news reporter was interviewing the line:

Q: Who are you?
A: I'm the Devil, and I'm from Hell.
Q: Really?
A: Who else would you expect to see dressed in red tights with a pitchfork?
Q: Here in the Village? At least a half-dozen guys.
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#114970 - 10/26/17 10:57 AM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Aquino: I know, but I said I saw Exorcist 3 a few years after I saw the first one.

As for the spider walk, there were two versions and the one on the re-release/one you never saw, she comes down the stairs and gurggles blood. Another take seen here has the 'lizard tongue' effect, which I prefer. It looks very strange, very creepy, and very real.


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#114971 - 10/26/17 12:15 PM Re: Occult in film list [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Hmm, my version has both. They should have left it in in 74. There would have been a lot more "cleaning the aisles" if they had. And I don't think Scott was playing it tongue/cheek. If you see his performance in "Firestarter" - I think by that point he was just cashing checks and waiting to die. He Had Patton and Strangelove under his belt and didn't give two fucks about anything anymore. His son Campbell said as much in an interview. And yeah, there's homages a plenty. I liked the early Saturday Night one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8dKnFU5LUE
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