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#116352 - 05/29/18 10:30 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Dark One]
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While I wouldn't go as far as calling it a Jewish conspiracy, multiculturalism alongside ecology is a kind of a new religion, at least in the EU. It basically means accepting the huge numbers of immigrants for solely ideological reasons. If in the past the inhabitants of the former colonies were allowed to arrive in Europe because they provided cheap labor, now the swarms of Muslims are admitted just because they belong to the human species. Save humanity and save the whole fucking planet are new sickening dogmas. Every country which belongs to the great "European family" is expected to help the newcomers because they say they need help. It's an irrational and self-defeating approach.
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#116354 - 05/29/18 12:10 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Czereda]
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The multi-cultural trappings also include excusing behaviors because it's typically native to their culture. Citizens feel as though the government gives them too much leeway, which leads to a sense of unease and anger for unfair prosecution. If you were born and raised in the country, the max sentence is issued. If you're a new migrant, you may even have your case dismissed. No matter the crime.

This too influences culture.
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#116357 - 05/29/18 06:32 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: SIN3]
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It's only the 'crazy asshole Muslims' that are really the problem not the Muslims that are more less kind of like normal people. The idea is the Muslims you have in a multicultural society are the more or less ordinary people you don't have a segregated enclave of crazy assholes. What a country like Germany is doing with it's Muslim population isn't necessarily multiculturalism it really cultural segregation. There is a real issue but if you just go on about the evils of 'multiculturalism' and 'the Muslims' as if they're exactly the same you're just going to be ignored or called a racist. The actual serious threat you're right to point out will just be ignored and encouraged by the PC elite.
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#116450 - 06/25/18 12:26 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: entropicmomentum]
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For your edification, please read the following:
https://eand.co/why-is-america-the-worlds-most-uniquely-cruel-society-f67afc5c6b9a

I find it will serve you well.

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#116451 - 06/25/18 01:53 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: aeon6]
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Idealistic whining. The author contradicted himself the moment he gave the examples of the Roman Empire and the Soviet Union. Further examples could be cited from both the modern times and Antiquity to disprove his theory that constant struggle for dominance and reshuffle of the social pecking order is uniquely an "American thing." The myth of the promised land in itself is bullshit. It doesn't mean the lion laying down together with the lamb.
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#116453 - 06/25/18 10:28 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: aeon6]
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The problem isn't ethnic conflict. It's religion. The message being hammered at you is that whatever bad that happening -- to you as an individual or as part of your community -- isn't caused by human (in)action or corruption. And it can't be mitigated by human effort and community spirit. Those things are, like, evil. Like godless communism, unions, and people with university degrees.

I'm reading FANTASYLAND and a quarter of the way through it, I've found food for thought.

Issues like poverty, illiteracy, lack of opportunity, failed infrastructure, child marriage (legal in 49 states!), addiction, and bigotry, can't be addressed with fantasies about imaginary friends, and insisting upon a right to live as if the realities of the material world don't actually exist.

The multicultural conflicts are just a misdirection. Unfortunate enough if you happen to be caught up in them, but not the real problem, in my view.
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#116454 - 06/25/18 10:49 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Dark One]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark One
It's only the 'crazy asshole Muslims' that are really the problem not the Muslims that are more less kind of like normal people.
Crazy as in ascribed mental illness, or political Muslims that have a militarized agenda? I don't negate the billions that follow Islam that aren't necessarily violent but culture saturation can be a threat. Especially where the localized government makes so many concessions for immigrants that you barely recognize it, and special considerations are extended that are to the detriment of native born people.

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The idea is the Muslims you have in a multicultural society are the more or less ordinary people you don't have a segregated enclave of crazy assholes.
Some that immigrate intend to assimilate to a degree without giving up their native culture. There is however a larger number that intend on changing the culture they immigrate to. It's a silent invasion. Much like the millions of minor children sent with adult companions to Europe and the U.S.; this has been going on for decades.

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What a country like Germany is doing with it's Muslim population isn't necessarily multiculturalism it really cultural segregation.
I'd say it's more of a response to the people with their demands. There are gaggles of people policing native German culture and demanding that it change. They post signs all over the place warning of this and that, they harass people at public beaches, parks, people going about their business, etc. The government doesn't seem to know what to do, even though it invented the problem with opening the flood gates.

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There is a real issue but if you just go on about the evils of 'multiculturalism' and 'the Muslims' as if they're exactly the same you're just going to be ignored or called a racist. The actual serious threat you're right to point out will just be ignored and encouraged by the PC elite.


Certainly, it's all about approach and delivery. It also depends greatly on your targeted audience. One can call a spade a spade, and not be dismissed. There's gotta be depth to your intention. If it's just to insult a people, then that usually just gets an emotional reaction. If you want people to respond to an issue, you have to bring something of worth to the table.


For example, saying it's just religion isn't accurate in my opinion. It has more to do with region and culture. Religion is just as much a political device as calling for 'diversity'.
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#116456 - 06/25/18 11:55 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: SIN3]
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Here's the thing,

People have tribes and customs and identify with each other, when you mix two people together like they've done in Europe, you have a cultural cluster fuck. Now the new people are going to try to get a handle on control of resources. That's why people form tribes and societies. There's always a pecking order of hierarchy, the bosses and their circles, down to the common workers. Every family, tribe and society has this special order, based around learned customs ingrained through life.

What's hilarious to me, is that many of these things are more or less the same, but truth be told, your people are your people, others are not. Would you convert to Islam, bow to Mecca every day just because the sultan invites you to his palace? Could you do that? Strangely enough, some will remain in poverty than convert to another culture, because its just not what you grew up on, its not a part of your identity, or your way of life, and most people have a hard time adapting to something new, unless it has great similarity to their previous life style.

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#116458 - 06/25/18 11:47 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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The semantic difference between integration and assimilation may be worth exploring. Integration can imply nothing more than emigrating to a shiny new land and learning its semiotics but not its language. Sort of like the middle ages in which public symbols guided the illiterate to places of business [pretzel, butcher knife etc.]. Assimilation denotes that "we will add your distinctiveness to our own", in the collective words of the Borg [Star Trek]. Assimilation is a process recognized in physiology, botany, sociology, and phonetics, and I suspect more to be discovered.
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#116460 - 06/26/18 03:48 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: aeon6]
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I'm not sure if there is such a thing as 'Islam culture' though. Muslims from the Balkans, the Middle East and Indonesia are culturally distinct. You could say your religion is a huge part of your culture but we're not really joining in with religion of our culture anyway, that being Christianity for 99.9% of the folks here. You could say the concept of Satan is part of Christianity though so we're making an effort to join in a bit, I'm sure Christians appreciate that. Satan kept the Church in business all these years after all.
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#116462 - 06/26/18 12:15 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Dark One]
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@aeon: Integration, assimulation, whatever you call it, it comes down to choice. Sometimes people do, they marry into a family, adapt to their culture and way of life, but that's usually because two families have something in common, say one is a Catholic family, the other Orthodox Christian, or maybe they are religious but neither one is against Atheism. Yet, its not common for Christians to marry someone who is Muslim. One religion or the other is going to ask one from the marrying pair to convert, and there are pre-developed associations of mis-trust about the other side to begin with. It might seem bigoted, but truth be told, stick to your own. You get along a little better, be it lovers or friends. I don't think I'll be living in a Muslim country where porn is banned any time soon.

Assimilation and integration are usually by will of the individual, but anything else is forced, and that's more like slavery. Many willingly conform though, which gets into new territory on the subject: How much of our lives are forced by society, and how much of these rules we accept, and why, how much responsibility do we take individually, collectively, etc.

@ Dark One: Sure, you can quantify things as much as you like. If they all share the religion of Islam, its Islam culture. Its all subjective to the region of interest.

Satan is a thing found in many cultures, an undeniable consistency that tests our faith, boundaries, perception, world knowledge and most importantly, our own self-awareness.

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#116463 - 06/27/18 12:11 AM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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The tangled issue of intermarriage looms large in the multiculturalism debate, thank you for expounding on that.

That many willingly conform to avoid slavery evokes the practice of proskynesis by Alexander the Great's ventures, even though it was an inverse tactic to conquer. The will to assimilate a greater territory took on a viral proportion for awhile. There are many other [legal] ways one can insert oneself into a culture without obeisance in the modern world, in order to preserve one's dignity. Roaming free without regard to primitive borders, utopian or not. But even in the melting pots there is evident self-segregation, not a very utopian feature but anything very homogenous could be boring too. How one adapts can rely on stasis [rigid irrational religion] or dynamism, a more malleable existence. There you will find the distinction among humans.

Not on a tangent, I'd like to share an obscure film called Nadja [1994, 90min]. She is a continental vamp from Romania living in New York, and is beguiling. Filmed partially in Fisher-Price Pixelvision, an old 80's toy that uses audio cassettes to film video. A film noir of living in the shadows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lzIdEhWvT4

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#116469 - 06/28/18 12:20 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

There is however a larger number that intend on changing the culture they immigrate to.



As a rule the culture and/or political system that fits best with human nature will absorb or marginalise everything else. Western culture and capitalist democracy fits the bill nicely. It's not quite 100% the full pure Satanic ideal of civilisation (America being the most Satanic of nations founded by people who were Satanists in all but name) but it's close as good enough.

If you take the Cold War for instance you had to opposing ideologies but the ideology that was the best fit for human nature as it really is won out in the end. The same thing will ultimately happen to militant or puritanical Islam, we're a far bigger threat to their way of doing things than they are to us. All we really have to do to win out is do what we always do best, be a liberal inclusive and utterly tolerant society complete with freedom of speech and equal rights for all with emphasis on individual responsibility and financial and material aspiration.


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@ Dark One: Sure, you can quantify things as much as you like. If they all share the religion of Islam, its Islam culture. Its all subjective to the region of interest.



If you have a read of the Islamic books they always insist that Islam is not a cultural religion but universal for all mankind. A Muslim African, a European, a Chinese person and an Inuit would therefore have very different cultures but they would have pure true monotheism with the uncorrupted Holy text of the Quran as transcribed by Mohammed the last prophet of Allah. Everyone is apparently born a Muslim but then you get various false teaching children are brought up to believe if they don't get enough exposure to a decent bit of Quranic teaching.


From our point of view you get a bunch of people going around wearing strange clothes and/or changing their names to something that sounds suitably Islamic and/or they start growing their beards or 'covering' their beauty' in the case of women. All that stuff is technically optional though to be fair. So it's possible to convert to Islam and look and act like your your a normal who doesn't follow a religion made up by an Arab 7th century warlord.


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Satan is a thing found in many cultures, an undeniable consistency that tests our faith, boundaries, perception, world knowledge and most importantly, our own self-awareness.



Satanism is technically a religion made up by a 20th century circus lion tamer but he based it on something that has always been around in all cultures and known by various different names throughout the ages. Mohammed by contrast just got hold of the Bible and rearranged the text making it somehow far less but also and much more silly than it was to start with.


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#116471 - 06/28/18 04:39 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Dark One]
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Oh really? The thing with the Cold War wasn't really about ideology but rather about power and economy. Socialism failed because as an economic system it was ineffective. Russia though is still an authoritarian country. Democracy hasn't yet won there. If you look at the political situation in the world, you can see that most countries are not democratic or are only partly democratic, with many being utterly authoritarian. Your theory that democracy fits human nature in the best way possible is purely subjective.

As far as Muslim immigrants are concerned, I will tell you one thing. There is nothing inherently wrong with cockroaches. They aren't even particularly dangerous. But it's just better not to have them in your home.
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#116472 - 06/28/18 05:24 PM Re: The Pitfalls of Multiculturalism [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Oh really? The thing with the Cold War wasn't really about ideology but rather about power and economy. Socialism failed because as an economic system it was ineffective.


It was ineffective because it went against human nature. Human nature is greed, the possession and owning of stuff, materialism. Communism on paper sounds like a nice idea but it can't really work in reality.


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Russia though is still an authoritarian country. Democracy hasn't yet won there.


What they have got is an Oligarchy but it isn't a dominant super power to rival the West anymore we won the Cold War once the Berlin Wall came down.


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If you look at the political situation in the world, you can see that most countries are not democratic or are only partly democratic, with many being utterly authoritarian. Your theory that democracy fits human nature in the best way possible is purely subjective.


The countries that aren't real capitalist democracies are also complete shite holes. The only countries that really thrive are those that best suit human nature. Bear in mind humans though tribal are also greatly social we can integrate new members into our tribe that's what the West has historically done very well. See the Roman Empire for instance, probably the most successful and Satanic and culturally inclusive civilisations to ever exist. It collapsed soon after Christianity removed it's balls but it's core values survived on and has been passed down to us.


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As far as Muslim immigrants are concerned, I will tell you one thing. There is nothing inherently wrong with cockroaches. They aren't even particularly dangerous. But it's just better not to have them in your home.


No no no no what we do as Westerners is take something like Islam and make it into something that belongs to us (All your base are belong to us). All religions and cultures will belong to Satan just like Christianity is now His plaything and His toy of amusement. That aside if you take the Roman Empire they were masters at taking religions and gods from other cultures and assimilating it into their own. Now that the Christian religion has finally become subjugated to Satan's will we have come around full circle we in essence the new Roman Empire centralised around the US.

I'm not saying Islam will overnight become as fully 'Satanised' as Christianity it will be a gradual drip drip effect over time. The speed of which we will claim it Satan will be lengthened if we go around trying to stoke up a 'Us versus them' mentality. That's really what the Islamists want us to do they want to create clear division and distinction between them and us. They would be the first to agree that Western society is Satanic society and they appreciate the power Satan has even if they think Allah has more. We know they're wrong and we don't need to fundamentally change our winning Western liberated formula of success to suit them.

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