#11870 - 09/26/08 09:06 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
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prhill
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So I take it that the device actually moved or something that freaked them out so much?
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#13202 - 10/22/08 10:07 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
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BlacKAcRE66
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HAHAHAHAHA Take a look at this! Ouija Board Parker Brothers Hasbro Games. the same company that produces Monopoly, actually makes these and sells them as a board game ouija on amazon.com then for the or chilled person, the version to speak with Jah: Ouija for the person on the green side of life it made me laugh, so i thought i would share it regards -Marilyn
I think it is disturbing for a toy company to be selling these boards, and no parent should allow them to be used without proper guidance or supervision. I believe in the power these boards can open because my own mother had summoned a spirit, but was not skilled in divination or necromancy. After that session the table would levitate and the board did not want to go back in the box. It was not the board itself but the spirit that kept the portal open. I think Ouija boards should never be used unless you know how to close the portal, and I cannot recall their being any ritual to do such a thing. Ouija boards are not the best tool to use to divine because there is no means to control the situation even after you've broken contact.
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#13283 - 10/22/08 06:33 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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BlacKAcRE66
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...And I think you're full of absolute shit.
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No, seriously. Even if I assumed your paranormal head-trips were truth, then technically ANY device can be used as a psychic medium to summon spirits. Writing letters and numbers on a board doesn't suddenly make it magical. IT'S ALL IN THE POWER OF YOUR MIND.
Also according to theory, an inexperienced person would not be able to summon spirits or that kind of shit. It would take great occult power. There are no magic buttons or wands to wave.
Or maybe it could be that since they were inexperienced, they were afraid of its' supposed "power" and let it get to their heads. Naive people always jump the gun when they take their first forays into the occult.
Yeah I guess you're right I am full of shit, but my story was based on what my Aunt had told me because she was with my mother and her friend when they were operating the Ouija board...Those boards do not always work for everybody, just like they did not work for me when I tried. I don't think my Mother or my Aunt would lie, but hey I'm full of shit, so lets just pile it up right now. There are better ways to conjure spirits but I am full of shit, so I will not bother with explaining...Nobody knows how those Ouija boards are manufactured, but if they are magnetized prior to shipping that may explain why they work for however many occasions they do work.
When you go into a session of conjuring you do everything to prepare and to protect yourself and to contain the spirit you seek to manifest in order to not harm you. That is why there is an invocation and a banishing. The Ouija board does not have those protections... That is why I am against their use. Technically you are correct, but in practice there have been too many recorded stories about misadventures with the Ouija to discredit the fact.
Enjoy yourself. ignorance must be bliss HAIL SATAN
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#13288 - 10/22/08 06:49 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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blsk
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There is probably as many recorded stories of the boards working as there are stories about the "virgin mary" appearing on burritos and smoothies. If not more.
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#13298 - 10/22/08 07:28 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: blsk]
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BlacKAcRE66
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There is probably as many recorded stories of the boards working as there are stories about the "virgin mary" appearing on burritos and smoothies. If not more.
Hey you forgot Tortillas and Mulberry Trees. lol! I am not here to defend the Ouija board, I just shared a goddamn story and a reason why I don't do Ouija Boards. I have had only twice tried Ouija boards and they never worked with me, but when my friends or relatives have used it, the thing was going all over the place. But hey Ouija boards don't work...Every time a group uses one, they always say the same thing; "Who is moving the pointer?" It could be man made part of the time and it could be spiritual the other part. To each their own I guess.
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#13301 - 10/22/08 07:39 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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ta2zz
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End of subject HAIL SATAN The real end of this subject is found in your profile...
Age: 39 Occupation: UFO Cult Leader / Guru
I think that sums up your mentality rather well...
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#13319 - 10/22/08 09:56 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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BlacKAcRE66
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End of subject HAIL SATAN The real end of this subject is found in your profile... Age: 39 Occupation: UFO Cult Leader / Guru I think that sums up your mentality rather well... ~T~
Awe, what's wrong with a little humor? Gotta chip on your shoulder or something? Is this like some sort of club initiation where you bitch slap the new guy? Or try to anyway? I didn't know this was the Water Buffalo Club. LOL!
Give me a break already DEOS SATANAS EXOCIA DUNEMOS TRUMAE TUOFO!
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#13602 - 10/28/08 11:13 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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TheSearedOne
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Having only played with the Ouija board a few times, in my lesser experienced years in the "occult", I have not had much success with it. Granted the people I was using it with were probably not serious about it's possibilities, and one guy was just a dick (He made me think, for about an hour or so, that Dead, the ex-vocalist from Mayhem, was "speaking" to us. Oh to be young and gullible). But there was this one time when my sister (who is also into the occult) and I tried it, and we had this interesting "conversation" with a boy named Timmy who fell to his death. Could have been nothing but wishful thinking manifesting itself. Who knows? Maybe I should bust it out again. I think I still have it...
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#13613 - 10/29/08 06:15 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: memphischick]
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ontomor
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I have never had much luck with the board. Am i doing something wrong? I have seen them work on shows but never in real life!!
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#13621 - 10/29/08 03:08 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Dimitri
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Let me put it this way. In ones own universe is everything possible. If you believe oujia works, fine then for you. And even so if it can be proven you are communicating with the dead I find it quite rude to wake them up out of their sleep. They have something else to do then talking to a bunch of fluffy a-holes who try to be "elitist-mediums". Seriously, I first believed it and did it with a girlfriend. It "worked" and we had suddenly problems with an "angry" spirit. Noticed afterwards it was just one great subconsience who was fooling us.
The universe is a very strange thing, things that can be; aren't and wich cannot be; are. Only trying to make a point here that everything will eventually exist or work if you just believe in it. And if you let it work, it will always be your brain who is tricking you. Neverless, maybe some things may come into existance within your own universe.
(...OK, I have been reading to much "hitchhickers guide to the galaxy... altough I must admit if you take some things in perspective wich seems improbable they actually make sense if you think about it..)
I have never had much luck with the board. Am i doing something wrong? I have seen them work on shows but never in real life!! Do not forget, everything on television is punt in scene. They want you to believe some things CAN happen. Some words of advice for you; believe in the board and it will work. But the best advice is: smash the board, get outside and enjoy your life, if you are dead you will probably have enough time to talk to your also-dead-compagnons.
Edited by Dimitri (10/29/08 03:12 PM)
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#13656 - 10/30/08 02:58 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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i am new to all of this and maybe i should read and listen a bit before i try to make a point about what i think. That's the best advise you could have given yourself. I have never had much luck with the board. Am i doing something wrong? I have seen them work on shows but never in real life!! I have to agree about the board, but if it was a link to the dead why shouldn't it work for all people and not others. 101 is a place for newbies to learn and feel the board out. Therefore, you won't get the hammer dropped on you for 3 one liners in your first few hours here. Some members have lurked for months, studying, reading, and learning, before making their first post. Bear in mind, one liners like this when posted in other sections of the board will be deleted and could get you banned.
ontomor: I removed your other one liners. You may be new here, but that does not exclude you from the rules of this forum. It is your responsibility to know and abide by them while visiting our slice of the internet. You take responsibility for your actions here, and no one else can be held responsible for you. If you didn't read the rules while signing up your account, I highly suggest you read them now.
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#22540 - 03/25/09 04:41 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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Little Dani-boy
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Once, my grandma bought a Ouija board from Toys-R-Us and got a flat tire on the way home. When she slammed on the brakes, the Ouija board slid off of the seat and fell onto the floor, it was really creepy. After getting a ride home from her best friends sister in-law, she tripped over the dog while walking in the doorway. She then decided that she wanted to return it ASAP, but she couldn't find the receipt (that was the creepiest part). So she sold it at a garage sale and it was never to be seen again. At least, that's what she told me.
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#22649 - 03/27/09 11:03 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Little Dani-boy
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So let me get this straight your grandma got a flat tire slammed on her brakes and the thing on her seat slid off on to the floor… Somehow you think this was creepy, simple physics? She then gets home and trips over her poorly trained dog… Then after a flat tire and a ride home in a different car she apparently cannot clearly see any opportunity where the receipt could have been lost? Creepy, are you fucking serious?
Creepy would have been someone giving her one on her following birthday and having it be the same board… But alas there is nothing interesting or creepy here at all, not even a good story… All I see here is a person’s ability to believe that an object can persuade their future… It is all in your perspective, should you think these things contain power then for you they contain as much power as you are willing to give them…
Read more post less, now run along and play little troll…
No, I'm not fucking serious.
If you would have looked and saw that my post was a reply to a lame-ass story, you would've known that I was being sarcastic. I thank you for your proof reading and views on the oh-so-spooky Ouija board, but your run-on sentences and poor grammar make me take it back.
I "apparently cannot clearly see" how anybody could have taken that seriously. Wow.
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#22674 - 03/28/09 11:54 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Dimitri]
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Little Dani-boy
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If you were being sarcastic, why did the intonation of your response wasn't it at all? If responding to a lame-ass story it's better to give YOUR opinion about WHY it is a lame-ass story. This instead of posting your grannies crap and thus showing what a little idiot you are.
You are new here, I suggest keeping your head low; trolls and idiots get banned easily.
This forum is a fucking joke, full of illiterate morons and hypocrisy. If you're going to criticize me, at least do it with proper sentence structure. All I see here are cowards trying to be "real" Satanists by bashing other users with 10 posts or less, regardless of anything. As for explaining WHY it was a pointless story...seriouisly. If it isn't obvious to you then you're fucking stupid. I don't owe you an explaination.
I'm done wasting my time with you posers.
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#23957 - 05/01/09 01:22 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Marilyn]
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Lucifer.
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Oh yes, they are so terrifying. Just kidding. I bought one at toys-r-us. I believe it's the Hasbro's one listed above. Yes, toys-r-us is now going towards the occult. Hahah. Plus, I made a hand carved one. I have them to make money off of pseudo-psychology tricks. I have made about $100 in two weeks with "Ouija Settings". Tarot cards are just as profitable. =) What I notice is the people who are most terrified of the "unknown" are the people who pay me for settings and readings. The big deal is fear. Fear is attractive at the same time it's avoided.
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#27844 - 08/03/09 04:16 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Kaiotee
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Honestly...it's so sad people are easily fooled into believing a toy has "MYSTICAL POWERS". I was the asshole who moved it to all the letters; all my stupid friends fell for it and still talk about it to this day. If you honestly believe going into a burial ground and "haunted" houses is going to provoke some UNKNOWN force, and that UNKNOWN FORCE is going to tell you SECRETS...you're an idiot. It's sad to see all the little kids on youtube post fake videos of being "possessed" by an "evil spirit", AAHAHAHAA.
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#28093 - 08/07/09 07:29 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Azathoth68
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Nope. I've had no real results, other than that that could be explained by someone moving the planchette around. But it IS fun for boring nights, when tipsy, and calling in whatever happens to wander by.
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#28141 - 08/08/09 04:16 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Ankhhape]
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god.over.djinn
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Hi Ankhhape,
Astrology with its randomness never seemed a good vehicle for this form of gnosis to me. I am a bit confused that, in a comparison with tarot cards, it is astrology that you would typify as random. The stars don't change much in a life time and the position of the planets can be predicted with great accuracy, yet if I understand such matters correctly, tarot cards are shuffled before each use - are they not?
If you seek a medium to facilitate self-reflection, would not a scrying device be the ultimate? Eg, a black mirror. At the cost of a picture frame and a can of black spray paint, they are cheap, too, in comparison to other introspective media.
G.O.D.
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#28142 - 08/08/09 04:42 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: god.over.djinn]
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Jake999
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Here's my take on the randomality aspect of Tarot... keeping in mind that I'm no mathematician.
On a standard 10 card spread, using the full Tarot deck of 78 cards, each position would have to be seen as a single-event. In the case of position 1, you have a 1/156 chance of the spot-on appropriate card to land in the usable position. This takes into account that the cards can have a divinitive (head up) or inverted (head down) orientation, each with its own meaning or degree of meaning within the context of the question.
Position 2, 1 /154 (77 cards) Position 3, 1/152 (76 cards) Position 4, 1/150 (75 cards) Position 5, 1/148 (74 cards) Position 6, 1/146 (73 cards) Position 7, 1/144 (72 cards) Position 8, 1/142 (71 cards) Position 9, 1/140 (70 cards) Position 10, 1/138 (69 cards)
What would be the odds of all 10 card positions landing with the optimum reading, divinitive or inverted, for each position of the question at hand? I dunno. I ran out of fingers and toes.
This simplistic example covers a 10 cards spread, and I have seen people use Tarot spreads that use many more.
This isn't to show that there is any accuracy in the Tarot cards themselves. I tend to think that it pretty much boils down to keen intuition and the ability to extrapolate possibilities from any inputs given; something most people are probably able to do on one level or another. The cards could well be a tool for concentration, much like music or aromas, to allow them to concentrate more of their cognitive skills to the task.
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#28158 - 08/08/09 10:22 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Ankhhape]
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ceruleansteel
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I know I'm going to take a dose of shit for this, but I do feel the need to set the record a bit straighter here:
The astrology you read in the newspaper is not "Astrology". The basic idea of astrology is that - like the planets affect the tide and weather and whatnot - that they also affect "living, breathing organisms". Every cop will tell you that full moons make for crazy nights and every L&D packs more beds into the nursery during the days surrounding full moons. These are two proven - even if not understood - instances of "planets affecting humans".
Astrologists don't say that 1/12 of the population is going to have the same day each day. They say that - according to the location of the various gravities involved in the earth's alignment with other planets - that like the tide, humans are affected. This occurs at birth because prior to birth, as Jake suggested, they are a part of the mother and subject to her just as the difference between a deep sea creature and a creature closer to the shore is subject to the different environments (say, tide vs. the pressure of the ocean). They suggest that a person who shares a certain sign with another person will have similar basic personality traits to the other people who share that sign (they do not say that these people will be exactly alike, and of course have their own formulas for showing how that happens and what those differences are likely to be). The only thing this has to do with what type of day that person will be having is that it is likely that two people who have similar personalities will make similar decisions.
Real Astrologers aren't fortune tellers, they are more like psychologists. If you want to read some impressive Astrology material, I suggest Linda Goodman. It's my dirty little secret to own several of her books. Instead of being vague, they are boldy specific. She also covers the question about the three outermost planets and (I think her books were written about thirty years ago) covers instances in which the same planet "rules" two different signs.
I'm not saying that this is fact. I'm just relating what the basis of it all is.
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#28176 - 08/09/09 02:18 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Ankhhape]
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god.over.djinn
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Hi Ankhhape,
When it comes to debunking astrology, there are probably better sources one could quote than Peter Carroll. He endorsed and continues to endorse all manner of pseudo-scientific claptrap that clouded and continues to cloud the minds of many Chaoists.
"I usually advocate astrology persuasively to ordinary people but ridicule it to my magician friends."
G.O.D.
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#28182 - 08/09/09 03:59 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Diavolo
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Personally I do think astrology is bullshit.
I don't see how a planet can have an effect on anyone. If it is the magnetic field that affects, know that a lot of our household tools have a stronger magnetic effect than those planets. If it is gravity, the moon should dominate all people simply because it is closest and overrules all other.
Even the so called lunar effect has never been proven at all. Studies done have shown there is no special effect at all.
The full moon has been linked to crime, suicide, mental illness, disasters, accidents, birthrates, fertility, and werewolves, among other things. Some people even buy and sell stocks according to phases of the moon, a method probably as successful as many others. Numerous studies have tried to find lunar effects. So far, the studies have failed to establish much of interest. Lunar effects that have been found have little or nothing to do with human behavior, e.g., the discovery of a slight effect of the moon on global temperature,* which in turn might have an effect on the growth of plants. Of course, there have been single studies here and there that have found correlations between various phases of the moon and this or that phenomenon, but nothing significant has been replicated sufficiently to warrant claiming a probable causal relationship.
Ivan Kelly, James Rotton and Roger Culver (1996) examined over 100 studies on lunar effects and concluded that the studies have failed to show a reliable and significant correlation (i.e., one not likely due to chance) between the full moon, or any other phase of the moon, and each of the following:
-the homicide rate -traffic accidents -crisis calls to police or fire stations -domestic violence -births of babies -suicide -major disasters -casino payout rates -assassinations -kidnappings -aggression by professional hockey players -violence in prisons -psychiatric admissions [one study found admissions were lowest during a full moon] -agitated behavior by nursing home residents -assaults -gunshot wounds -stabbings -emergency room admissions -behavioral outbursts of psychologically challenged rural adults -lycanthropy -vampirism -alcoholism -sleep walking -epilepsy
If so many studies have failed to prove a significant correlation between the full moon and anything, why do so many people believe in these lunar myths? Kelly, Rotton, and Culver suspect four factors: media effects, folklore and tradition, misconceptions, and cognitive biases. A fifth factor should be considered, as well: communal reinforcement.
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#28185 - 08/09/09 04:35 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Diavolo]
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ceruleansteel
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Quick reply to all:
I stated plainly that I was not purporting this to be fact, just clearing the air, so to say, and expressing what the top of the astrological food chain has to say...
Bobbikins:
I have given birth both in and out of a full moon and as you will recall, I had more than even the average criminal justice student's share of police ride-alongs. I have SEEN the full moon phenomena in action. Again, not saying that there is anything more than coincidence involved because I have no idea how to create an objective study to review it all, but just that it is not my experience that the phenome is bullshit. It may just be that people are so superstitious that they create the more intensified conditions themselves, but I have yet to think of a way to actually measure it all...
Astrology, however, is totally up in the air. I'm sure there is a way to make an objective study of it, but I've never been of the opinion that it was *that* important. I've made half-hearted comparisons of birthdays vs. criminal activity and things like that (that I have easy access to records to compare) but they have come to nothing and - personally - I have WAY more interesting things to geek out over.
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#28187 - 08/09/09 06:12 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Diavolo
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I'm convinced I'm a sex god and I sure saw the phenomena in action too. I'm willing to create an objective study about it, so any hot females out there that want to participate, for the benefit of science of course, PM for an appointment. 
I know what you wrote, I was just giving my opinion on astrology and lunar effects in general.
I do see astrology as an exploitation of insecurity. Even if one does their own reading. In that it does not differ too much from other forms of reading. Somewhere somewhen someone realized that by telling others what to do and put the source of this knowledge in the gods, stars, flight of birds or animal innards, one could benefit, either by status, cash or other favors. And as such, it kept on rolling. When doing so one can't be too specific of course, the more specific one becomes, the easier one fails and thus loses the benefits. I still have to see the first one to state; "Friday morning you'll receive a letter from the tax office which will force you to pay 1500$". It's always vague and as such highly interpretable by the victim.
I just hopped to the first site that does one of those 2cent predictions. This is mine for today.
As the stars shift and change positions, you're one of the first people chosen for the team. All day long it seems that you're somehow on the right side of the line that separates insiders from outsiders. Don't be afraid to ask for something that you didn't think was possible yesterday -- it's still possible to get in on the ground floor of a new venture if you know how to work it. Later in the day someone shares a recent experience with those who'll benefit from the tale.
Even when those 2cent predictions are bullshit and likely generated by a computer, they do not differ from the yearly predictions the real astrologoons do. Even the birth calculations are so vague or general and, even if 20 parts of it are wrong, we tend to focus on that one that is right.
This is an interesting video from Derren Brown showing how funky it is for those being read.
Derren Brown Astrology
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#28243 - 08/10/09 06:37 AM
Re: Ouija Boards
[Re: Ankhhape]
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god.over.djinn
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Hello god.over.djinn,
Would you recommend reading Carroll though or are there better authors I could look into on the Chaos concept?
Thank you, Ankhhape
Hi Ankhhape,
Well, there is recommend, and there is recommend. What I recommend is reading as much about everything as you can. This doesn't exclude Carroll - just take everything he says with a grain of salt.
It is worth noting that Carroll doesn't mention chaos magic in Liber Null. That appears to be a later development, as part of his whole pseudoscience schtick. I think that the early work contained in Liber Null is better. Very concise and full of practical ideas to experiment with; no extraneous "let's throw our critical thinking out the window and be mad scientists" bullshit. (Not more so than contemporaries such as LaVey, anyway.)
You asked specifically about "the Chaos concept". I personally don't recommend chaos magic; but if you would like to know about chaos theory, you could read James Gleik's popular book called "Chaos".
G.O.D.
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#107225 - 06/20/16 08:49 PM
Re: Ouija Boards
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Registered: 09/22/13
Posts: 3208
Loc: El Mundo
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think the 28 day thing is just coincidence. Simply because we are not the only mammal that is 70% water and lives under the moon, and not all mammals have 28day cycles. The moonlight makes for ideal night-time forging and harvesting. *shrugs* I don't suppose they'd want to attract nocturnal predators by free-bleeding all over the cabbage patch. 'Just a theory. I wasn't there, and do not own one of those clam-dangled contraptions.
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