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#115986 - 03/08/18 09:33 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Kori Houghton]
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Is it anti-satanic to be virtuous? SIN, what is your position on having virtues and espousing them socially?

There’s a lot of assumptions being made that this ‘virtue signaling’ is really a big thing. You can’t pretend to know if a person espousing virtues walks the walk or not. It’s just more psycho babble fluff to call people out this way, IMO.
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#115989 - 03/08/18 10:15 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Not necessarily, I think all peoples regardless of the methods by which they live their lives; have hard limits. See: Virtue

Whether that be an honor code, or set of morals. They do tend to change though, so what does a person really stand for? That's what happens when you break taboo. I think it's un-Satanic to refuse to test your own Virtues. I can think of a dozen imaginary lines in the sand I dare not cross in my youth but once I did, then your virtues tend to change. Especially with experience, not just knowledge attainment.

Consider also the popularity of genres of porn that do depict sex with animals, Hentai especially. Something about tentacles...


I actually wasn't calling out JK in my video, he was just among the mass speaking on in it that way "Oooo gross, sex with beasts!" It's fiction but theoretically speaking, if it weren't, it seems more like a Numinous experience to me. If she had found a connection and release from her mortal coil with the creature. Ecstasy was apparent, from the clips I watched.

As for the trend. It was on every platform (Facebook, Twitter, Google+, Gab, etc) as well as most conservative news stations (Fox, Conservative news, etc). Picked up from there, memes etc. So then, people that haven't seen the film were getting that impression by the imprint of propaganda about it. Even if they were liberal progressive. It's an oddity for sure.

Hence the topic. Which isn't necessarily about the film, but what the qualifiers are for Virtue Signaling.
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#115993 - 03/08/18 12:38 PM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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Seems just like you might be inverting Kant's categorical imperative and labeling it "Satanic." I'm going to assume the likely scenario that you know exactly what you're doing, and I'm sure based on your previous posts that is exactly the point you're making. I'm already getting tired of talking about Sartre so that you bringing up a topic concerning him is tiresome and nauseating to me. I say "concerning" him because he was not above what you label "virtue signaling" to advocate for issues that he cared about.

However, more to your point from my brief research he deliberately isolated himself from the world until the world found him. By transgressing the imposed moral identity proscribed by the world he found his passion and purpose. This does not mean that he was obligated to extend that to the world, and so pragmatically was willing to advocate bad faith for others if he felt it best for his own moral code.

But you already knew that, didn't you? ;\)

What was it you said when we first spoke? Let them eat cake? Now that I think about it I think I found your bits of moral motives. Not that you'll admit it.

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#116004 - 03/09/18 10:09 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: samowens84]
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You are incorrect but that was certainly an interesting interpretation and projection upon my thought process.

First, Kant was just making observations of things people have been doing for thousands of years. It's part of human nature to both self-examine, test taboo, and then decide if their virtues are even worth clinging to.

Second, that most users here require a reading reference is among the reasons why the 'Satanic Suggested Reading List' should burn eternally and be discarded as useless ash.

Do you form thoughts of your own, or are they always by the point of influence of author's you've read?
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#116005 - 03/09/18 10:52 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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The fuck is wrong with being influenced by the writings or utterings of those you admire?

My thoughts are my own, as I am myself and have had the luxury of decades of self discovery. I do, however, love that feature of being able to take a trip on someone else’s subjective universe. It’s fucking fun. You’re missing out if all you do is trip on yourself.
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#116006 - 03/09/18 12:48 PM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Your interpretation of my statement sure is fascinating. Please, do go on about things I haven’t actually stated.
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#116007 - 03/09/18 01:13 PM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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Whatever SIN. You’re just trolling at this point.
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#116011 - 03/09/18 03:33 PM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Nice exit. This is the sort of thing that gets you mocked. You can't handle actual discourse. Your dismissive label doesn't support your case either.

Sure, I'll be a troll and you remain a pussy.
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#116012 - 03/09/18 04:04 PM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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Hey you two, keep the fighting in the bedroom lol
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#116071 - 03/17/18 01:47 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Asmedious]
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I don't necessarily think anyone is entitled to a sort of preconceived notion about anything that has to follow some obscure rule or whatnot. Sorry SIN.

Edited by Vigilia_Matutina (03/17/18 01:47 AM)
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#116219 - 04/25/18 12:15 PM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Kori Houghton]
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 Originally Posted By: KH
(What I am thinking after watching both videos is more like attention whoring.)


This is an example of signaling.

Would you consider attention whoring a negative attribute, if so why, if not why not.



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#116224 - 04/27/18 02:10 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
This is an example of signaling.


Watched the video, and must admit it made me laugh. Maybe this is my advanced age showing, but it seemed like it bordered on being "dated". Like in a few years it could be a nostalgic example of internet put-downs from the second decade of the 21st Century. I mean, I never encounter those descriptors anywhere but here, unless in a journalist's piece about various "alt" tribes.

While I think the phrase "virtue signaling" is nice and catchy, the communication it describes is as old as humans. A social lubricant to let strangers know something about each other's sensitive spots, personal or tribal. Maybe virtue signaling seems somehow affected in the era of digital communication where abrasion and rushes to judgement are popular.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Would you consider attention whoring a negative attribute, if so why, if not why not.


I wouldn't consider it negative at all. It's a form of self-promotion. If I'm not interested in what someone has to offer after taking a look, a read, or a listen, then it's no worse than neutral. Oh, and someone can't "virtue signal" at me (as an anonymous media consumer) until they've gotten my attention!
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#116225 - 04/30/18 10:57 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: Kori Houghton]
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It was an amusing example of bias, where it concerns the matter of virtue signaling. I figured you were intelligent enough to pick up what I was dropping there. Giggle worthy for sure.

That it's catchy, sure has James Bartholomew pretty salty about it.

When I use it, it's more or less to indicate a person is mostly using Hyperbole and a holier than thou attitude. Happens all over this forum, in the archives and today.

That JK was calling me out on it, has more to do with the curiosity of its common use. And, whether or not there's any merit to it.

So I'd say there was more to sharing this exchange than just self-promotion. I am genuinely interested in user response to the application thereof.

 Originally Posted By: Kori
Oh, and someone can't "virtue signal" at me (as an anonymous media consumer) until they've gotten my attention!


Sort of like that whole Blackwood debacle. Sure was a hot shitty good time. Last I heard, he's still hocking chinese knock-offs and is back to making Theistic Satanist videos. Maybe he's grown bored of that flea-market shtick. Been a few years. ;\)
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#116235 - 05/03/18 12:52 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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The world has become a place wherein black and white are indiscernible. In daily life people want some clear cut things to make sense about it all.

Virtue signaling and triggers, the whole lot of it, is just that.
Confusion.
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#116237 - 05/03/18 10:12 AM Re: Virtue Signaling [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
When I use it, it's more or less to indicate a person is mostly using Hyperbole and a holier than thou attitude. Happens all over this forum, in the archives and today.


That's how I would use it, too. Maybe with "holier" than thou changed to "unholier"?

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
That JK was calling me out on it, has more to do with the curiosity of its common use. And, whether or not there's any merit to it.

So I'd say there was more to sharing this exchange than just self-promotion. I am genuinely interested in user response to the application thereof.


Yes, there is more. But the exchange looks different, I expect, to viewers outside of it.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
 Originally Posted By: Kori
Oh, and someone can't "virtue signal" at me (as an anonymous media consumer) until they've gotten my attention!


Sort of like that whole Blackwood debacle. Sure was a hot shitty good time. Last I heard, he's still hocking chinese knock-offs and is back to making Theistic Satanist videos. Maybe he's grown bored of that flea-market shtick. Been a few years. ;\)


While Blackwood was entertaining, and occasionally annoying, I don't think he ever had enough depth for virtue signaling. Sometimes a troll is nothing but a troll.

The premier virtue signaler in Satanism, in my opinion, is Diane Vera. She showed up about 25 years ago on the old FidoNet (pre-internet) forums, offering her services as mediator among the various flavors and factions of Satanism. Apart from obvious satire, I had never seen anyone virtue signal about gender, sexual orientation, religious belief, politics, demographics, etc. at such density in writing. Many of her posts, in my view, read like bits of script from a stand up comedy routine about political correctness. (I found a few of her articles from that period still online, but her FIDONET posts were even better!) I found a thread in the archives here about her, and was amused that she rated some positive comments.

Back to the original topic of the film and bestiality, the topic dried up in a matter of days after the Oscars. Really was no different than changing one of the last lines in THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING, where Aragon says "Let's hunt some Orc" to the obvious "Let's hump some Orc". I wasn't thinking about actual sex with mythical species (just not my thing) when I said that walking out of the cinema.
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