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#116543 - 07/10/18 06:01 PM Princes of hell
Stone14 Offline
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Can someone explain these to me as Iv read there are 4 & 7, then read Satan and lucifer are the same?
I have the Satanic Bible is that accurate of Satanism belief?

Also does anyone have any images that is accepted for the four princes of hell? All I can find are various images with the same names used.

Iv also read that no scripture states or can be interpreted that laviathian was a devil.

Any help would be great.

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#116544 - 07/10/18 06:06 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/t04dmbzcgzec8fl/Demons.pdf?dl=1
Take note of the 'God portion of the Mind, mentioned on the demon Sorath.
I don't know why the demons are different in different organizations.
Church of Satan claims Satan is not a real being.
Joy of Satan says he is real.


Edited by ClaytonRayDavies (07/10/18 06:26 PM)
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#116545 - 07/10/18 06:12 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: ClaytonRayDavies]
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Thanks for this, your link lists princes that do not correspond to the princes in the Satanic Bible, why is this do you know?
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#116547 - 07/11/18 12:35 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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Simple answer: it's all made up.

Now, you say you have the Satanic Bible.
Unless you have magical powers that transfer knowledge from seeing a cover, I suggest you better start reading it.
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#116548 - 07/11/18 03:20 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Dimitri]
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I am reading through it now I’m about 1/3 of the way in I’m just wanting to know if that is a true representation of satanist belief.

I realise it is no more right or wrong than any other theory/ religion on god/ Satan. To me all they are are persuasive ideas, some are persuaded by the bible, Quran, etc or this book. I find I am favouring this book as I agree with the humanism aspect of it. I’m not religious, I believe in evolution and Darwin’s theory. I am also pursuaded that the human mind created the idea of god and the devil for the reasons stated in the satanic book. I am not into the spiritual ritual aspect of praying or worshipping inner myself. But I am interested in how devils were created and images that represent each one which I am struggling to find as identification.

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#116549 - 07/11/18 03:25 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: ClaytonRayDavies]
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 Originally Posted By: ClaytonRayDavies
https://www.dropbox.com/s/t04dmbzcgzec8fl/Demons.pdf?dl=1
Take note of the 'God portion of the Mind, mentioned on the demon Sorath.
I don't know why the demons are different in different organizations.
Church of Satan claims Satan is not a real being.
Joy of Satan says he is real.


Oh I see, I was unaware there were different organisations. How many are there? All I’m aware of is the Church of Satan which I find fits well with my Darwinism and Richard dawkins the god dilution. Both condemned by religionists

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#116553 - 07/11/18 11:45 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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There is the Church of Satan, the Joy of Satan, the Temple of Satan, the Drakon Covenant, the Maegzjirah Cabal which can be found at blackcorps.org , the Church of Lucifer, etc.
This is for starters. Some even say Satan and Lucifer are two different beings.
Some say he exists. Some say he is a myth.
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#116554 - 07/11/18 01:40 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: ClaytonRayDavies]
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Oh I see, thanks for that info. So how do satanist decide which to follow? Just which ever suits their needs and pre-satanist ideas?
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#116555 - 07/11/18 02:56 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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That is about it. Whatever suits their needs, and goals.
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#116556 - 07/12/18 12:19 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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That's a thing you have to decide for yourself.
Keep on reading and studying. Take heed of others whom follow a similar path. Where it concerns belief, there is no right or wrong.
There's only you.
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#116557 - 07/12/18 11:11 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Dimitri]
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I strongly object to this. That means everybody can believe whatever they want. There may be no right or wrong in ethics, but not generally. And even if there's no right and wrong, belief has nothing to do about it anyway. Belief is mainly a scheme used to retain power. So, when we're talking about belief, there's not me, you or anybody, there's just who is in control and trying to keep the control.
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#116558 - 07/12/18 11:33 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: fiendish]
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 Originally Posted By: fiendish
I strongly object to this. That means everybody can believe whatever they want. There may be no right or wrong in ethics, but not generally. And even if there's no right and wrong, belief has nothing to do about it anyway. Belief is mainly a scheme used to retain power. So, when we're talking about belief, there's not me, you or anybody, there's just who is in control and trying to keep the control.


Very interesting, thanks.

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#116560 - 07/12/18 12:08 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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Greetings from stone3.
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#116565 - 07/12/18 02:38 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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There are 7.

Satan, Lucifer, Leviathan, Belial, Grumpy, Violet, and Blitzen.

The last 3 you only learn about after the first 4 become demystified. Originally it was only Satan and Lucifer, but Lord Avon needed two more crown princes so a sea monster and some worthless loser were promoted.


But pretending there are standards:

 Originally Posted By: The first result on Google
The Book of Abramelin. The Book of Abramelin, possibly written in the 14th or 15th century, lists four princes of the demons: Lucifer, Leviathan, Satan and Belial


** More fun from wikipedia:

This next quote perfectly illustrates the root of the type of belief most prevalent among "occult" communities, even today.

 Originally Posted By: The Synopsis of the Book of Abremelin
Once this is accomplished, the magician must evoke the 12 Kings and Dukes of Hell (Lucifer, Satan, Leviathan, Belial, etc.) and bind them. Thereby, the magician gains command of them in his own mental universe, and removes their negative influence from his life. Further, these spirits must deliver a number of familiar spirits (four principal familiars, and several more associated with a set of magical word-square talismans provided in the Abramelin's Book Four).




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#116566 - 07/13/18 10:44 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: fiendish]
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Your objection and my refusal to credit it shows the truthfulness of my statement.

Everyone is free to believe whatever they want.
Naturally... we haven't been talking about consequences.

Religiosity as means to power? Not so much as it used to be. Everyone is free to do whatever they want but.... see above.
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#116567 - 07/13/18 11:20 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Dimitri]
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From a galactic viewpoint, that freedom comes with some keen responsibilities, once finding your belief system. Consequences are a given, positive or negative or purple.
Consequences are the fruits of your endeavors, and give a map toward farther reaches. When religiosity suits your purpose, embrace it as a means as you do here. Yet there will be disillusionment.

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#116572 - 07/16/18 04:34 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: aeon6]
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 Originally Posted By: aeon6
From a galactic viewpoint, that freedom comes with some keen responsibilities, once finding your belief system. Consequences are a given, positive or negative or purple.
Consequences are the fruits of your endeavors, and give a map toward farther reaches. When religiosity suits your purpose, embrace it as a means as you do here. Yet there will be disillusionment.

http://www.hedweb.com



From reading the abstract on hedweb, I get the impression that to remove ones pain and suffering would be a negative thing. What if it removed empathy, sympathy, guilt, remorse etc. You likely won’t feel these unless you feel a degree of mental suffering to an idea or something you have witnessed. Wouldn’t that make the human race cold and potentially what we would view as evil? Because if you cannot feel pain or suffering then how would you know if you are causing it?

It would completely change our behaviour and who we are. If we ever met another species we could likely come across as evil to them as we would be able to comment evil acts because we have no feeling towards those acts other than positive emotions.

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#116573 - 07/17/18 04:30 AM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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I think to irradiate our ability to recognise pain and suffering would not irradiate the acts that cause it but it’s more likely they will become more prominent and extreme. We would probably wipe ourselves out and be happy about it.
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#116575 - 07/17/18 09:21 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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 Originally Posted By: Stone14
From reading the abstract on hedweb, I get the impression that to remove ones pain and suffering would be a negative thing. What if it removed empathy, sympathy, guilt, remorse etc. You likely won’t feel these unless you feel a degree of mental suffering to an idea or something you have witnessed. Wouldn’t that make the human race cold and potentially what we would view as evil? Because if you cannot feel pain or suffering then how would you know if you are causing it?


Isolating pain/suffering need not necessarily void one of empathy/sympathy. I trust that the latter can exist without the former as a root cause. Is this a paradox you can reconcile for yourself?

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Wouldn’t that make the human race cold and potentially what we would view as evil? Because if you cannot feel pain or suffering then how would you know if you are causing it?


Consider that what is “evil” or cold here may not be so in the vast elsewhere. What you espouse is the “wisdom of repugnance” or “yuck factor”, but social psychologists question whether that archaic instinct can serve any moral or logical value when removed from the context in which it was originally acquired.

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It would completely change our behaviour and who we are. If we ever met another species we could likely come across as evil to them as we would be able to comment evil acts because we have no feeling towards those acts other than positive emotions.


Isn’t that the point? To change our behavior and who we are would seem requisite to meeting other species. Wouldn’t you want more endearing qualities out of *them*? Hedweb is but one catalyst for evolutionary paradigm shift. Perhaps this shift will coincide with the earth’s imminent magnetic flip.

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I think to irradiate our ability to recognise pain and suffering would not irradiate the acts that cause it but it’s more likely they will become more prominent and extreme. We would probably wipe ourselves out and be happy about it.


Such fatalism might render you left behind.

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#116583 - 07/19/18 05:24 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Dimitri]
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Above...is heavens? A condition of lack of gravity could explain this. If you can't say what is above and what is below, it is easy to believe everything.
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#116585 - 07/19/18 09:49 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: CanisMachina42]
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OK, there are 5. Behemoth, Samael, Leviathan, Lucifer and Gretchen (or Pamela, or Samantha, or Stephen). Each one is placed atop of the Pentagram (except for Gretchen ) then the circle is complete. It is of grave importance they are not put in alphabetical order, which could reflect the summoning. It is for the safety of the summoner, yet only for the duration of the summoning.
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#116893 - 08/26/18 06:48 PM Re: Princes of hell [Re: Stone14]
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A scripture written by a being that has the hands to scribe even one word is ok in my book.
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