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#116712 - 08/09/18 06:24 PM Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??)
Dark One Offline
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This is in fact much more difficult than it sounds. As a Satanist you ideally ought to avoid all behaviour that will lead to compulsions or addiction. I'll give a few examples...


You will need to quit smoking as this is a compulsion not an indulgence. If you have a fine Cuban cigar once every year at Christmas or something then we could count that as an indulgence.

Alcohol if you regularly find yourself drinking to excess to become drunk is another compulsion to give up, an indulgence in this case would be a glass of wine with a meal or you could have a pint or two with friends socially.


Video game addiction is another one, if you play 30 min or an hour or an hour or two a day we can say that's an indulgence, fine. But if you're putting 4, 5, 6+ hours a day particularly into one of these MMO games that's really something much like smoking you're just going to have to stop entirely. The time and energy you invest in that activity could be put to better Satanic use in bettering yourself and your life in general. You can see your life as the ultimate game and the graphics are photo-realistic with a great skybox.


Recreational drugs are most compulsive things to exist and are of course to be avoided, at least if we're talking A class drugs. You really can't have the occasional indulgent sniff of cocaine that's just something to avoid. If you have the very occasional joint and you could just stop doing it it if wanted then that's an indulgence sure.


Certain kinds of food can either be indulgences but more of often than not these foods can lead to unhealthy compulsive eating and the end result will lead to obesity, tooth decay and diabetes. A better indulgence for a Satanist would be to keep yourself in damn fine shape with a balanced diet. If you find yourself to be overweight then that's a another compulsion you have to tackle. The sin of gluttony means yes you can enjoy your food but your sin of pride will regulate this to a healthy balance as you don't want to become some kind of bloated beached whale.


Porn and masturbation is a compulsion/addiction to avoid of course. It's really just a waste of sexual/satanic energy that could be put to better use. If you try to indulge yourself every now and then you will find the indulgence will become more and frequent until you find this being your daily activity, draining your nuts, energy and potency bone dry. If you want to engage in sexual activity that's really what other adult humans are there for, not your right hand down trousers jacking off.



So just some thoughts there. If you were to apply the teaching s of Satanist to their fullest entire extent you would become a Satanic Master. You would be full god mode, kind of like a reverse version of Siddhartha Gautama.

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#116717 - 08/10/18 07:00 AM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: Dark One]
Kori Houghton Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Dark One
This is in fact much more difficult than it sounds. As a Satanist you ideally ought to avoid all behaviour that will lead to compulsions or addiction. I'll give a few examples...


Compulsions aren't caused by behavior, and neither is addiction. As far as I know, there is no simple answer about what causes compulsions. Not all of them can be controlled with therapy. And some people can manage their addictions, while others can't. I've known people with these issues, and -- while I have no idea how they feel -- I have immense compassion for them.

 Originally Posted By: Dark One
You will need to quit smoking as this is a compulsion not an indulgence. If you have a fine Cuban cigar once every year at Christmas or something then we could count that as an indulgence.


Smoking cigarettes is not a "compulsion". Cigarettes are a product engineered to be addictive. Just as some of the newer nicotine-delivery devices have been designed to promote addiction. I've known a few people who quit, but for every one of them, I know a handful who couldn't.


 Originally Posted By: Dark One
Alcohol if you regularly find yourself drinking to excess to become drunk is another compulsion to give up, an indulgence in this case would be a glass of wine with a meal or you could have a pint or two with friends socially.



Alcohol addiction isn't a compulsion that you can "give up". People who are addicted, but don't drink, will have to make this effort every day. I can have a drink today, and not have another literally for years. That's not because of strength of will; it's just how I'm "wired".


 Originally Posted By: Dark One
Video game addiction is another one, if you play 30 min or an hour or an hour or two a day we can say that's an indulgence, fine. But if you're putting 4, 5, 6+ hours a day particularly into one of these MMO games that's really something much like smoking you're just going to have to stop entirely. The time and energy you invest in that activity could be put to better Satanic use in bettering yourself and your life in general. You can see your life as the ultimate game and the graphics are photo-realistic with a great skybox.



Dunno about this one. I have no use for pop culture, generally, including gaming.


 Originally Posted By: Dark One
Recreational drugs are most compulsive things to exist and are of course to be avoided, at least if we're talking A class drugs. You really can't have the occasional indulgent sniff of cocaine that's just something to avoid. If you have the very occasional joint and you could just stop doing it it if wanted then that's an indulgence sure.



Drug addiction is not a "compulsion". I grew up in a medical family, and we had narcotics in the medicine cabinet as far back as I can remember. Neither my brother nor myself ever snuck in there to grab a Demerol or whatever just for fun. And there was no lock on the door. Oh, and my parents didn't mess with them, either.


 Originally Posted By: Dark One
Certain kinds of food can either be indulgences but more of often than not these foods can lead to unhealthy compulsive eating and the end result will lead to obesity, tooth decay and diabetes. A better indulgence for a Satanist would be to keep yourself in damn fine shape with a balanced diet. If you find yourself to be overweight then that's a another compulsion you have to tackle. The sin of gluttony means yes you can enjoy your food but your sin of pride will regulate this to a healthy balance as you don't want to become some kind of bloated beached whale.



Diabetes isn't caused by poor eating habits. It's genetic. I've had Type 2 all my life, and my weight is appropriate for my height. I inherited it from my dad, who died from cardiac complications due to the disease when he was younger than I am now. And he was lean, fit, and active his entire life. You can gain an immense amount of weight (be over 500 pounds) and have perfect teeth and no Diabetes. Not that the weight can't kill in other ways. Food addiction is so powerful that most people who have surgery to reduce the amount they can eat don't lose weight long-term. They find a way to overeat in smaller amounts. Again, this is addiction, not compulsion.


 Originally Posted By: Dark One
Porn and masturbation is a compulsion/addiction to avoid of course. It's really just a waste of sexual/satanic energy that could be put to better use. If you try to indulge yourself every now and then you will find the indulgence will become more and frequent until you find this being your daily activity, draining your nuts, energy and potency bone dry. If you want to engage in sexual activity that's really what other adult humans are there for, not your right hand down trousers jacking off.



That is simply funny! Supposedly there are sex addicts, but I've never met one, so dunno.



 Originally Posted By: Dark One
So just some thoughts there. If you were to apply the teaching s of Satanist to their fullest entire extent you would become a Satanic Master. You would be full god mode, kind of like a reverse version of Siddhartha Gautama.


So the Christians say "the Devil makes them do it" about addiction and compulsive behavior, and you say "the Devil taught me not to do it". That's all a load of superstition.
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#116718 - 08/10/18 07:38 AM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: Kori Houghton]
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"Porn and masturbation is a compulsion/addiction to avoid of course. It's really just a waste of sexual/satanic energy that could be put to better use. If you try to indulge yourself every now and then you will find the indulgence will become more and frequent until you find this being your daily activity, draining your nuts, energy and potency bone dry. If you want to engage in sexual activity that's really what other adult humans are there for, not your right hand down trousers jacking off."

No. Its not. I'm not going to explain to you anything about porn, but something tells me this is some kind of personal problem. Like someone isn't fucking you because they're looking at porn. As far as everything else, I absorb sexual energy from porn, I don't lose it. And its infinitely safer then going out there then being a sex addict in the world. Some videos shouldn't be watched ethically speaking in my opinion, but that's about the nut of it lol. For me its the safest and most responsible way to feed myself sexually and avoid fucked up situations from strangers or other people who might want to do me harm, and I make no apologies for that. Also sometimes there's a power struggle because porn allows me to wire myself sexually any way I desire and some people want power over my sexuality for themselves. So there's that.

And why are you so focused on what someone else should or shouldn't be doing anyway? Who isn't fucking you and why does that bother you?


Edited by samowens84 (08/10/18 07:44 AM)

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#116722 - 08/11/18 10:02 PM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: samowens84]
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Porn and masturbation is a compulsion/addiction to avoid of course. It's really just a waste of sexual/satanic energy that could be put to better use. If you try to indulge yourself every now and then you will find the indulgence will become more and frequent until you find this being your daily activity, draining your nuts, energy and potency bone dry. If you want to engage in sexual activity that's really what other adult humans are there for, not your right hand down trousers jacking off.


Yeah, but other humans aren't as easy as one of the many fine streaming internet sites. 

Especially male/female relationships

As a sad male, I have come to justify that not being laid in 9 years is because of the gender dynamics of mammals...  If we're all suppose to be about equality why can't the woman pursue? Why is their game batting their eyes and having whipped males serve them?

It's like, "I want your attention, but all I can do is  walk by you to try to get your attention, but I won't say anything because my job is to make a stupid face or keep walking back and forth between the bar and the bathroom until you notice me, because you should recognize my face...

In any case there are circumstances in which principled abstinence is doable...  How long before you become the Billy Joe Armstrong in the song Longview ...
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#116723 - 08/11/18 10:12 PM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Funny actually, because often I'm the one having females pursue me. However, sometimes chaos magick is at work, and one time I went to a bar thinking I was looking for a sexual partner, but really I was putting out energy for a safe and satisfying sexual partner. I go in and I found why my karma was attracting the wrong kind of attention and realized the work I need to do to get myself back to a healthy state to attract the kind of sexual relationship that I want. Although I think it did leave one woman there who was making eyes at me who looked reasonably intelligent confused as to why I was so dorky and awkward when I'm usually more confident then that. I would tell her not to take it personally. I wasn't really there to find a sexual partner that night. Its not you, its me lol.

And honestly my sense of manners and boundaries just won't allow me to cold knock like that. Its not who I am, and unless its a natural setting where it feels natural and non threatening its just not in my character to do that regardless. Its my personal sense of respect and consideration and compassion so deeply ingrained in my character that it would be soul damaging to violate that about myself, so I just don't do that. Its not a game. Its who I am.


Edited by samowens84 (08/11/18 10:21 PM)

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#116726 - 08/12/18 02:40 AM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: Dark One]
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Will to power and strength of character.

Many fail because they lack character.
They fail because they never learnt to stand for something.

Learn to stick to your guns.
It isn't easy but it develops some strength of mind.

@Samowens.
That's the attitude of a wimp.


Edited by Dimitri (08/12/18 02:41 AM)
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#116728 - 08/12/18 03:27 AM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: Dimitri]
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Lol whatever.

That sounds like the attitude of hurt feelings. Sit in judgement all you want. I enjoy my life. You enjoy yours?

i'm far from a wimp, I dont need to approach anybody.

If you don't know someone casting judgement typically means you project your faults onto someone else, and 2D text makes it easy for your faults to be laid bare that way.

Why do you feel wimpy today Dimitri?


Edited by samowens84 (08/12/18 03:37 AM)

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#116732 - 08/12/18 02:58 PM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: samowens84]
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Your post reveals a lot about your character.
"Women approach me", "not the ones I like", "need to work on it", "woman made eyes", "doesn't feel natural"....

You are, quite frankly, blowing air and misreading signals.
Confidence can be read. You are insecure. Especially made clear by your "I'm generally more confident".

I'm singling you out as a bad example to the topic of this thread. I can guarantee. You wouldn't have scored. You "think" but lack certainty. You looked around but didn't make a move. You got looked at (which happens all the time) and left.

Respect? Consideration? Ingrained in your character?
Don't delude yourself. You're a puss.

You do not need to approach? Neither do I.
Not drinking alcohol is on the same level. It's a choice.
Yet I drink even though I am not compelled.

And I approach. Not because I feel compelled and not because I had a need... but simply because I could. I do not need to look down because you did not, but I do because you think wrong. You are being set straight.

The Satanic nature is one of a wolf on the hunt. Not the one of sheep in wolfs clothing.


Edited by Dimitri (08/12/18 03:06 PM)
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#116737 - 08/12/18 06:51 PM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: Dimitri]
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I'm sorry you feel that way Dimitri. Hard to really analyze a persons character in 2d, but your aggressive "analysis" suggests this is what you want to see in me, but is what you see in yourself and you want to put it on me.

Even if those things are true, this speaks more then the casual meeting and benefit of the doubt between strangers. These sound more like the accusations of a jilted lover, but we've never met as far as I've known. In any case if I'm the substitute displaced anger for a disappointing partner go ahead and vent. I'm secure enough to take it.

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#116739 - 08/13/18 12:28 AM Re: Indulgence not abstinence or 'compulsion' (easy??) [Re: samowens84]
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Not what I want to see but what you confirm through your words.
No need to apologize as it is you who needs to get his work done.
Your second paragraph reveals and admits that much.

Your experience is something which happens on a regular basis to anyone with a iota of social life and experience. Anyone with a bit of social standing and knowledge sees this.

Your wish to make it seem special implies you are subpar where it concerns pick-up or social interaction.
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