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#116839 - 08/22/18 01:08 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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What I don't get is why someone so averse to doing a lick of independent research and clearly suffering from a terrible lack of imagination thinks they're qualified to write a novel.
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#116840 - 08/22/18 02:33 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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 Originally Posted By: ANewNameNoOneEls
 Originally Posted By: Phoenician
 Originally Posted By: ANewNameNoOneEls
What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist?

Because I really don't get it.

Are the statements: Satan delights in causing harm, and lives in Hell untrue?


I resent the pompous nature in which you falsely assume I share your viewpoint like it's correct. It's quite arrogant and closeminded.


I have told you I do not get the attraction in worshipping Satan, and cannot understand anyone who does, so how is it even remotely possible that I am falsely assuming a Satan worshipper shares my viewpoint? Not a single Satan worshipper has been able to answer as to why they chose that worship. So I still do not get it.


As a person firmly on the "right" path you are on is incapable of understanding it from a satanist's perspective. Your answer confirms as much.

A Satan worshipper does share your viewpoint. You both have the same je ne sais quoi of myopic logic and anthropomorphized normalcy.

You live in your own head of "everybody thinks like me".

Of:

Everyone looks up to the sky just like me.
Everyone has supernatural fears just like me.
Everyone has an ability for blind faith, just like me.

For example: People like you fuel my Satanism.

People that assume I think like them, and can't understand a world where I don't.

People that are so indoctrinated by years of the meme saturation they are wired to accept that they are incapable of extricating themselves from it.

Don't worry, you won't get this either.

Good luck with your book.






Edited by Phoenician (08/22/18 02:35 PM)
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#116842 - 08/23/18 03:04 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: Phoenician]
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You know, I could at least pay a tiny bit of attention to my writing.


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As a person firmly on the "right" path you are on is incapable of understanding it from a satanist's perspective. Your answer confirms as much.


Try that again.

As an RHP adherent you are incapable of understanding this from a satanist's perspective. Your answer carries a bias you are unaware of.

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#116843 - 08/23/18 09:05 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: Phoenician]
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To be honest, he doesn't have to understand it to write a novel. I guess it's going to be some creepy horror story. A bit of imagination would be appreciated but not too much. Too avantgarde stories do not sell well. The majority of readers prefer to roam in the familiar territory of well-known cliches. Their tastes and expectations are already formed by Hollywood portrayals of the Devil and his servants.

In my opinion, anything like that will suffice to impress average Joe.
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#116844 - 08/23/18 09:45 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
What I don't get is why someone so averse to doing a lick of independent research and clearly suffering from a terrible lack of imagination thinks they're qualified to write a novel.


Asking what attracts people to Satan worship on a Satanists forum IS independent research, and last time I checked qualifications are not needed to write a novel. Although I still have not received a straight answer as to what the attraction is in Satan worship, there is a common theme in the answers, that follows the pattern: 'I am intellectually sophisticated enough to understand Satanism and you are not.' Seems pretentious to me.

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#116845 - 08/23/18 09:47 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
To be honest, he doesn't have to understand it to write a novel. I guess it's going to be some creepy horror story. A bit of imagination would be appreciated but not too much. Too avantgarde stories do not sell well. The majority of readers prefer to roam in the familiar territory of well-known cliches. Their tastes and expectations are already formed by Hollywood portrayals of the Devil and his servants.

In my opinion, anything like that will suffice to impress average Joe.


The synopsis of the novel is:

The Metropolis, a city inhabited by goblins, is undergoing an industrial revolution based on magic.
Goblins are a species created by high elves to be their manual labouring class; the Metropolis population being refugees from an infernal invasion of the elfin former capital, Drasca.
Goblin society is hierarchical; highest are the wizards, top of the magical food chain, whose wealth, power and privilege causes social tensions with the mundane labouring goblins at the bottom.
The story’s main character is a grand master wizard called Pharaoh Henry, a fanatical demon hater, and survivor of the Drasca attack.
He needs to recruit new demon hunting wizards to defend the city. But no goblin in his right mind would want such a dangerous job, and Henry has a reputation for losing to many souls to the forces of Hell.
An infernal book is stolen by a group of vampires that can open a door to Hell. Henry needs to find goblins for his cause quickly. He recruits:
Miss Euphoria Faeheart, a goblin fashionista with the ability to fathom demonic deceptions that should not be possible by magic theory.
Miss Prudence Pepperhill, a vampire seeking a cure, who wants to return to goblin society.
Miss Vanilla Catchpenny, a seer and addict to the drug alapania.
Captain Jack Coffin, a dishonoured ork who abandoned his ship for his beloved Sally Ironheart, and will now literally follow her to Hell.
Constable Babylon Pinch, bullied by his sergeant, and forced to help Henry, who he sees as a dangerous zealot (and he is correct).
Henry and his team battle vampires, and investigate satanic plots to save their Metropolis.

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#116846 - 08/23/18 09:52 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
Too avantgarde stories do not sell well.



My novel is not avantgarrde, neither do I expect it to sell well. I am writing it because I am compelled to in a strange sort of way. I do love it though. It is the first really creative thing I have ever done in my life.

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#116847 - 08/23/18 10:23 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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Why then would an inquiry as to what the attraction to Satanism is is necessary to your book, when you’ve already got the story and its characters outlined as such?
I mean, kudos on the creativity, but I still miss the point in why you would need feedback here.
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#116848 - 08/23/18 11:24 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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ah, the real purpose of you post is now revealed.

Why didn't you just post the synopsis of your novel in the first place instead of putting on the charade of research?

PS....agree with DL44.....kudos but why the question
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#116849 - 08/23/18 11:54 AM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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Aesthetics and the inherent human fetish of attraction (or curiosity) to the forbidden or counter-cultural.

Nothing more, nothing less.
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#116850 - 08/23/18 12:09 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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 Originally Posted By: ANewNameNoOneEls
Asking what attracts people to Satan worship on a Satanists forum IS independent research,

No, it's dependent research. Independent research would be picking up any of the hundreds of books written on the subject and reading them. Instead of taking up a knife and cutting your own steak, you're asking us to freaking chew it for you.

 Originally Posted By: ANewNameNoOneEls
...and last time I checked qualifications are not needed to write a novel.

There's no official author's certification, but some just lack the talent. Be sure to write that back in response to rejection letters; I'm sure they'll change their minds.

 Originally Posted By: ANewNameNoOneEls
Although I still have not received a straight answer as to what the attraction is in Satan worship, there is a common theme in the answers, that follows the pattern: 'I am intellectually sophisticated enough to understand Satanism and you are not.' Seems pretentious to me.

The degree of understanding isn't terribly sophisticated, and it has nothing to do with Satanism.

I have no trouble imagining why someone might think vaccines cause autism, or the world is flat, or socialism is the solution to all problems, or Jesus is their Lord & Savior. Even though I disagree with those viewpoints, I can wrap my head around someone else's perspective. That's a basic skill. It has nothing to do with whether the viewpoint in question is sophisticated or not.
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#116851 - 08/23/18 01:30 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17

No, it's dependent research. Independent research would be picking up any of the hundreds of books written on the subject and reading them. Instead of taking up a knife and cutting your own steak, you're asking us to freaking chew it for you.


No matter how many books I read I will not discover why Satanism attracts YOU (or anyone else who finds Satan worship attractive). I am asking for your subjective view, nothing more. No matter how much I read, I will not get a Satan worshipers perspective on why they think it is a good idea.

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#116852 - 08/23/18 01:39 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: Dark Light 444]
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 Originally Posted By: Dark Light 444
Why then would an inquiry as to what the attraction to Satanism is is necessary to your book, when you’ve already got the story and its characters outlined as such?
I mean, kudos on the creativity, but I still miss the point in why you would need feedback here.


I have written the first draft only, and am in the process of updating it. I intend my book to be the first of a series, and it does include Satanists. I feel the need to understand my characters, and I do not get the attraction of Satanism.

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#116853 - 08/23/18 01:49 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Aesthetics and the inherent human fetish of attraction (or curiosity) to the forbidden or counter-cultural.

Nothing more, nothing less.


If you are right, and my guess is you maybe, worshipping Satan for those motives seems disproportionate somehow; and also dancing to the expectations of others, even if it is to grab disapproval.

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#116854 - 08/23/18 02:13 PM Re: What is the attraction of becoming a Satanist? [Re: ANewNameNoOneEls]
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 Originally Posted By: ANewNameNoOneEls
No matter how much I read, I will not get a Satan worshipers perspective on why they think it is a good idea.

Sure you will, if the Satan worshippers wrote a book on the subject of why they chose Satanism.


Edited by XiaoGui17 (08/23/18 02:14 PM)
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