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#117 - 09/04/07 11:31 PM Fundamentalist Satanists
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From a member of satannet.com, the CoS forum:

"Satanists agree with -EVERYTHING- in the Satanic Bible. We do not need convincing or discussion. We just do. Agreeing with the Satanic Bible makes us Satanists. If you disagree with any part of the Satanic Bible (including and highlighted by Eleven Satanic Rules of Earth, Nine Satanic Statements, or Nine Satanic Sins) you are not a Satanist. Sorry, if you wanted the title but no Satanist needs to pick and choose what to agree with."

This is fucking insane.
Since when did LaVey claim divine inspiration and infallibility?

This approach makes being a Satanist a matter of dogmatic belief in a book (as opposed to, for example, real life achievements). It is not much different to the Christian fundies, just with a different Bible.
Belief, to these 'Satanists', may not get you salvation - but it guarantees them a place among the 'elite'.
Their elite status is 'proven' to them as they read TSB and resonate with it, on the basis that their beliefs make them a Satanist - and therefore, a 'natural born elite'...
Ego masturbation.


This degeneration of Satanism is similar to what happened with Christianity.
Christian Gnostics believed that being a member of the elite class required gnosis, spiritual enlightenment brought about through one's individual achievement.
Later Christians (especially Protestants) introduced the absurd idea that faith alone guarantees salvation (and thus membership in the 'elite' saved class), with 'faith' interpreted as belief in propositions written in a supposedly infallible 'holy book'.

Although Satanists usually seek hedonism and achievement over spiritual enlightenment, there are definite values and ideals a Satanist seeks to actualise (at least for commonly accepted definitions of Satanism - I'm not going to squabble over other definitions here).
If Satanists are born not made, what makes a person Satanic is their natural predisposition to practice those ideals, and NOT a natural predisposition to resonate with every word of 'Dr. Lavey''s writings.
The latter position (common on satannet.com) is a chickenshit fundamentalist Protestant Satanism, and it is also doublethink to consider this position compatible with independence of thought.
If one's status as a Satanist is dependent on one resonating with every word of TSB (as many on that forum suggest), then thinking stagnates. To allow one's thinking to progress and develop through life, to develop the ideas and philosophy further, to build on LaVey's work while not accepting every word, would in this mindset not be Satanic.
What fundamentalist book-worshipping bullshit.

It is also hypocritical for many of these 'Satanists' to claim elite status for themselves purely on the basis that they agree with every word of TSB (despite their often paultry achievements in life), and deny others that status (despite their much higher achievement) because they question the infallibility of Dr LaVey's Rule Of The Earth #4.

Like in every religion and philosophy, the masses end up eating the menu.

Doh!

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#118 - 09/05/07 12:14 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Meq]
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I thought the CoS actively maintained a game of bullshit and hypocrisy so that their CoS soldiers that didn't know any better stuck up for the inner circle who actively were scamming everyone of a $100 membership and fuck knows what else for their own financial end? Duping the sheep and the stupid into thinking they were something special when in fact they were just stupid sheep.

Or was Ole Wolf just a pipe dream had by Ta2zz last Thursday when he dreamt this site of original thought and discussion had reappeared?

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#123 - 09/05/07 02:16 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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CoS is stupid anyways...organized religion for a religion that doesn't believe in organized religion lol....

Anyways that is bullshit because the Satanic Bible by LaVey is more of a guideline of how to live and the individual takes that and adds their own morals and beliefs to it. He never said to believe every single word in the book..it was just written for readers to agree and disagree and add their own interpretation of it. Be your own god and do what you enjoy, not worship every sentence and belief every punctuation mark in the book....

I fully agree with you Paula.
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#124 - 09/05/07 05:19 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: darkangel]
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Ahh crap, I'm much too non-sober to do this, but...

The word "Satanist" is derived from Mister, not "Doctor" LaVey's book. I think we've all read it at this point, and it is almost required reading for anyone considering themselves "Satanist". We could derail and go into a long topic of historical "Satanists", but this would only aggravate the situation. In addition, it would address the notion that these historical peoples gathered their thoughts and "beliefs" in a willingness to accept "Satan" as their muse. Romantic as that is, I can't be sure of it's historical accuracy.

However, if we are to accept that "Mr." LaVey created a "religion" of sorts, called "Satanism", then they (CoS) are entirely correct. It is their "religion", and it is their first right. That being true, "We" are the Protestant Satanists. And, such as it is, "We" are just as ridiculous as they are.

Personally, I like the term "Satanist", maybe because I agree with Xear... it is taboo. That's not what he said, I know, but I'm not going to quote verbatim here...

If we call ourselves "Satanist", then we must either accept that LaVey had "something" to do with it, or try to pull the ol' "Traditional" approach... either way the word was there.

Semantics again...
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#125 - 09/05/07 09:44 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: daevid777]
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The Church of Satan has been getting a little more annoying lately. I generally just ignore their goons. I like Lavey, but I've never read the Satanic Bible. I considered myself a Satanist before I had ever heard of them. Sounds strange, I suppose. Well Satan's been around since before Lavey discovered him. There are other avenues of 'discovering' Satanism.

We could rephrase this, Paula, replacing a few key words:


"Christians agree with -EVERYTHING- in the Holy Bible. We do not need convincing or discussion. We just do. Agreeing with the Holy Bible makes us Christians. If you disagree with any part of the Holy Bible (including and highlighted by the Ten Commandments) you are not a Christian. Sorry, if you wanted the title but no Christian needs to pick and choose what to agree with."

Sound more disgusting yet? It shouldn't. Both are equally abhorrent.

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#127 - 09/05/07 01:07 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Meq]
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The premise of the book is that these ideas are ones you already had and agree with. LaVey just compiled them together and gave it a name. Doesn't it make little sense to call yourself a Satanist and disagree with the philosophy? (I'm assuming this forum is still primarily non-spiritual/no-nonsense, and I'm not currently humoring other claims to Satanism as I understand why the CoS doesn't acknowledge any other forms.)

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I thought the CoS actively maintained a game of bullshit and hypocrisy so that their CoS soldiers that didn't know any better stuck up for the inner circle who actively were scamming everyone of a $100 membership and fuck knows what else for their own financial end?

For me, I can't understand the money complaint. $100-$200 isn't a grand lot of money to cry about. Most people that whine about it claim they never wanted to join to begin with, and I have no problem with people that can throw that kind of money around without expecting anything. I might even assume they have some success in life if money isn't an issue to them.

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#129 - 09/05/07 04:07 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Lisa]
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The thing that bothers me the most about this topic are the people that bitch about the CoS. Say whatever you want about them, they have done one thing which few others have...they've created and maintained a counter-cultural organization where people with similar ideals can congregate and be a part of something larger than themselves. In addition, they've gained incredible notoriety, published many books in several languages, and have maintained a very successful business. What other "satanic" organizations can say that?

Yes, yes. We all know what kind of crackpots the CoS folks can be. However, I give them full marks for their achievements thus far.
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#131 - 09/05/07 06:43 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Meq]
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I lost considerable respect for the CoS, after learning that several of its high ranking officials, are playing the bullshit evangelical card, to the lost black sheep, and have created the Temple of the Vampire.

For people who claim to follow common sense, it shows quite a bit of hypocrisy. Although, at the same time, there really isn’t anything wrong with milking for gain, those that want something supernatural in their lives, and are willing to spend money thinking that they are “special.”

Non of the present leadership of the CoS, comes even close to the kind of charisma and dark charm that Dr. LaVey had.

They’re just milking a dead cow for all it’s worth.

I find it disgraceful, that a bunch of “elite” people, couldn’t even come together to save a tiny piece of real-estate, known as the “Black House.”
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#132 - 09/05/07 06:50 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Lisa]
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Maybe the problem for people though isn't the money itself, but rather that they feel 'duped' into beleiving that an organisation holds their beleifs when in fact it doesn't.

Now don't get me wrong, I don't feel like that, I have had little to do with Satanism other than this site and a couple of 'local' Satanists I've met, it's just that I recently came across the essay 'The Emporers New Religion' By Ole Wolf and found it to be a fairly compelling argument against the CoS.

In saying that however one would assume that Ole Wolf himself has something against them and on digging further I found that he sure did. But was his complaint really about $100 or was it about feeling used?

And if he was used, was he used purposefully or is it a case of we all see the same thing from a different angle and that angle may well be the Truth to us all.

I do know one thing. I personally have gotten involved in this site (now and in the past), to challange myself when it comes to seeing and accepting what actually IS rather than what I would like to believe. I'm now starting wonder if maybe Satanism isn't so much about the truth at all, but rather about making people feel they are much greater than they are.

Would this mean I was sucked in by vanity and self guile, two of the very thngs that TSB renounces and yet uses as a seductress?

Probably! Being told how clever I am has always been a way to my heart and yet smarts don't really have anything to do with getting TSB. It's common sense enough that you are going to agree with SOME OF IT and LaVey was clever enough to use that hook but tell you to discard what you don't believe.

So it's pretty much a win win situation. Why do you think there IS so much varied interpretation?

Maybe, Xear could start up a section that actually studies and discects TSB and see what a whole bunch of us people that like to think we are clever can disagree on. I bet there would be heaps.

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#147 - 09/06/07 12:06 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Meq]
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LaVey described human nature. Everyone is a Satanist to begin with until they are progressively talked out of it by the mainstream belief systems.
The most Satanic are the most successful as they can exploit human nature for what it is. Things can always be sold with sex.
LaVey's recognition of powerful figures and positions in history illustrates the point. Basil Zaharoff for one.
Religious, political and business leaders are the most Satanic in practice and principle.
Everyone is a Satanist until they get scared and run to Jesus, ad nauseum.

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#150 - 09/06/07 12:55 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: daevid777]
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i would have to agree, this is something I’ve seen first hand when meeting other Satanists. There unwillingness to question LaVey or TSB even remotely. i agree Paula, daevid777 and most of the replies, to me the term "Satanist" mean nothing more then "Natural Human Animal" to me it's doesn't mean you will become elite, if you believe in such trivial labels.


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"However, if we are to accept that "Mr." LaVey created a "religion" of sorts, called "Satanism", then they (CoS) are entirely correct"


I never believed LaVey made a religion, if you read the right books and simply live life, you would some of the same conclusions. To me the TSB and LaVey are nothing holy as CoS would have you believe. TSB is what I believe for the most pasrt, is what people will come to believe naturally, though life experience. I thought of joining the CoS (years ago) , until i saw all the hypocrisy. I would still like to see some unity, among satanist, not fallowing. which i think the site does in some way.

oh one more thing ZephyrGirl Satanism, to me isn't anything you have to do, its simply the way you live your life.
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#155 - 09/06/07 07:01 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: blackdragon31560]
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From dictionary.com:

Sa·tan·ism /ˈseɪtnˌɪzəm/ –noun
1. the worship of Satan or the powers of evil.
2. a travesty of Christian rites in which Satan is worshiped.
3. diabolical or satanic disposition, behavior, or activity.

sa·tan·ic /səˈtænɪk/ -adjective
1. of Satan.
2. characteristic of or befitting Satan; extremely wicked; devillike; diabolical.

This is not, of course, how modern Satanists define the terms. LaVey really introduced the modern symbolic definition of Satanism and Satan (which was rejected by the ToS in favour of the dictionary definition, with Satan defined as Set).

However, other people have kept the symbolic use of the term 'Satanism' (popularised by LaVey) while diverging from LaVey's original philosophy as outlined in TSB.
And why not. This is how ideas grow and develop.

LaVey himself developed ideas from Nietzsche, Crowley, Rand, Redbeard and others, while rejecting many of the ideas of his predecessors - yet the CoS has no problem in claiming a philosophical heritage from these thinkers.

Of course, the more fundamentalist LaVeyans get pretty pissed off by anyone who defines themselves as a (symbolic) Satanist yet disagrees with anything LaVey wrote.

It has always been the strategy of closed-minded groups to claim the exclusive right to define terms to suit their agendas - just as many fundamentalist Christians claim that a person has no right to call themselves a Christian unless they fully accept that Mahatma Gandhi is being roasted in a lake of fire for all eternity by a God of love.

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#183 - 09/08/07 07:36 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Meq]
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Im disturbed to see that so many people on this site admittingly have not read the STB. If you'r going to comment on things. You really should have some kind of grip on what you'r talking about.

I have the Satanic Bible in e-book. It's a pdf. file. All you need is adobe reader. I will be more then happy to provide anyone who wants a copy with one at no charge. Just contact me on messenger or by e-mail.

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#187 - 09/08/07 10:00 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Asmodeus Xaxam]
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I don't think there is anyone on this forum who have not read The Satanic Bible. We've just progressed beyond the starting point it gave us. It was more like an information brochure, to get us thinking and find other paths to follow/start.
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#198 - 09/09/07 10:39 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Nemesis]
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I think he might be talking about 97and107 saying that she'd never read it. However, his huge exageration on the amount of people "openly admitting" that they had never read it, led me to decide that he wasn't actually worth replying to.

Zeph

PS Have you seen Mel around since the site went back live?
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#203 - 09/10/07 12:03 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I'm skeptical about the "large" number of people currently on this site who haven't read TSB, but I think I remember a lot of people hadn't on the old 600 club. I also remember being a relatively new satanist in my freshman year and having a really hard time finding a copy. I couldn't seem to find a good download (the only one was the book of Satan, like nine pages long) and it took me over a year to find a copy in a bookstore because I live in a very small town. I finally found it in a borders near Seattle, but it was an hour's drive away and I had to go with my xtian parents and hide it from them once I bought it. I think making the PDF easily accessible, like as a sticky thread near the "read this before you post" section would be great for anyone new to the forum and the community. I can only imagine how hard it would be to find a copy if a person lived even farther from civilized society than I do.
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#206 - 09/10/07 04:31 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Ehhhh...

There is this thing called The Internet, and I am told (by usually very reliable sources) that one might actually purchase books from so called "Online Bookstores"...
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#208 - 09/10/07 07:24 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Ah yes, I talked with her on Skype for 2 hours Saturday night (your Sunday am). She'd seen the post made by the 666 person, and said she's tried to register but keeps having problems with the confirmation email. I received my email from the site, but it went straight to my junk box. I need to tell her that, so she can verify her account! Her and I both have accounts with Google mail.
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#223 - 09/10/07 03:36 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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The problem with LaVey and what he taught isn't necessarily in what he taught. It's in the actions and words he used to get his points across. LaVey, in my honest opinion, was a complete fool, I follow my own path and will not even call myself a Satanist due to the hypocrisy of every religion in this world (Besides Buddhism).

Religion, in essence, is flawed, there is no denying it. Why anyone would like to take something so flawed, so twisted and contorted from it's original idea, it's original purpose, and meld it into anything else is beyond me, you all get an applaud for doing so.

Now, after that little rant, I will get back to the point of this post. LaVey, although foolish in many aspects, has a point to his words. In fact, I know many, MANY people who have taken what LaVey has preached, read it, re-read it, looked beyond the veils off secrecy, and got the true meaning out of it all. Whether people believe me or not, I will let you in on a tiny little secret. LaVey, was the son of Leviathan. (Notice the similarities with the beginning of the names?). He is the son of the serpent, brought to this realm, oddly enough, with the help of God.



On a side note:

Religion got the major points wrong. View it as a realm of neutrality, no good, no evil. Simply, light, dark, and gray. The light religions, are not good, the religions that follow the dark paths are not evil, and the people that remain in the gray are far from either, they just exist. It will help you get over the "God is an asshole!" fit that most young Satanists seem to have in their minds. It will also help you realize that..well...Satan isn't all he's cracked up to be ladies and gentlemen. In fact, he is an asshole. Why I know this? Personal contact, so please, no bashing. Don't get me wrong, my views and his are in line, and are completely together in the long run, however, he's a dick. Of course, on his defense, I will say, I'm a dick as well.

Take care.

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#226 - 09/10/07 05:24 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Brother J]
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 Originally Posted By: Brother J
The problem with LaVey and what he taught isn't necessarily in what he taught. It's in the actions and words he used to get his points across. LaVey, in my honest opinion, was a complete fool, I follow my own path and will not even call myself a Satanist due to the hypocrisy of every religion in this world (Besides Buddhism).


I always thought LaVey was in actuality making a name and a living for himself, nothing more… The fools were the ones that bought into his circus, for being fooled into supporting the very thing they were opposing… Organized religion under any name is still just that…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Religion, in essence, is flawed, there is no denying it. Why anyone would like to take something so flawed, so twisted and contorted from it's original idea, it's original purpose, and meld it into anything else is beyond me, you all get an applaud for doing so.


Wait first you say more or less “The problem with LaVey is in the actions and words he used to get his points across.“ and then you go on to say “LaVey, although foolish in many aspects, has a point to his words.” You then go on to say you do not understand why someone does something yet you applaud them?

You are being very hypocritical…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
I know many, MANY people who have taken what LaVey has preached, read it, re-read it, looked beyond the veils off secrecy, and got the true meaning out of it all.


Most I know only had to read it once… Veils of secrecy hmm…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
I will let you in on a tiny little secret. LaVey, was the son of Leviathan. (Notice the similarities with the beginning of the names?). He is the son of the serpent, brought to this realm, oddly enough, with the help of God.


I think Paramount owns the rights to that movie…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Religion got the major points wrong. View it as a realm of neutrality, no good, no evil. Simply, light, dark, and gray. The light religions, are not good, the religions that follow the dark paths are not evil, and the people that remain in the gray are far from either, they just exist.


Do you just exist?

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
It will help you get over the "God is an asshole!" fit that most young Satanists seem to have in their minds.


Most people are assholes, no need for a god figure… Most young Satanists turn to Satanism as a rebellion to their parents and their upbringing… Would they be rebelling from god or people they see as assholes?

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
It will also help you realize that..well...Satan isn't all he's cracked up to be ladies and gentlemen. In fact, he is an asshole. Why I know this? Personal contact, so please, no bashing.


I hear Satan has shared a chili recipe with that chic from the JoS… Could you see if he will share it with us? I would imagine chili from hell would be pretty fucking hot and a good recipe for the thread on food and drink…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Don't get me wrong, my views and his are in line, and are completely together in the long run, however, he's a dick. Of course, on his defense, I will say, I'm a dick as well.


Does he feel the same towards you?

Peace…

~Sorry this went a bit off topic~
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#235 - 09/10/07 11:39 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Woland]
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UHHHHH...
when you're fifteen years old, you don't have a debit or credit card to purchase such valuable items from said ONLINE bookstore.

They usually don't take cash, you know...

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#240 - 09/11/07 03:18 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: undeadridinghood]
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 Originally Posted By: undeadridinghood
UHHHHH...
when you're fifteen years old, you don't have a debit or credit card to purchase such valuable items from said ONLINE bookstore.

They usually don't take cash, you know...


For future 15 year olds that want to buy things online… 4-5 years ago not using credit cards myself I had need for a way to pay for something online… I bought a pay as you go credit card at a check cashing store… These can now be had in multiple flavors at any local Walgreen’s store…

At the local Stop and Shop stores they have had a machine (around 8-10 years now) that you can dump your change in and get dollars for a small fee… 2-3 years ago they started dropping the fee if you chose to use your money on amazon.com…

As mentioned there is also an illegal PDF file of TSB floating around out there on the internet that is not to hard to find…

There is always a way…
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#243 - 09/11/07 05:35 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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And why would we want to do anything "illegal", my friend?

I'm still waiting on that chili recipe... how about using our local jalapenos or chipotle(smoked jalapenos)? Perhaps, habanero chiles would do much better, though. But! chili from hell, I gotta have that recipe - but this is the wrong forum, and the wrong post, at the wrong time. Please get that "food and drink" thread open soon Xear?!?

However, we were talking about Satan, and how he's a dick. And how we, quite possibly, are dicks, too.

And Lavey is Leviathan's bastard son... much to learn here, I think.
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#309 - 09/13/07 12:03 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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Firstly, you have a point with his foolish followers, they were rather sheepish.

Secondly, hypocritical? No. Could I have worded my my statements better? Yes. Now, with that being said, his words in themselves were foolish, but if you look past the obvious themes in his discussions, and writings you will find that he actually has some bit of truth in them. I'm not a LaVeyan, nor am I an advocate for his workings, but there is a tad bit of truth.

Now, the reason you are doubtful as for the veils of secrecy is why? Because you are just another Atheist in a word full of mediocre citizens. You put down all belief because why? Because you cannot see it? I don't see anyone bashing on Buddhists because of their beliefs, yet they do believe. With that being said, you can either learn to be more open minded, and try and comprehend things, or you can remain and ignorant twit. The choice is yours. Oh, and the people that you know who have only read it once, were obviously not serious at all, in their search for any truth behind any religion. They were what I like to call, part-time students. They want to learn it so that they can debate upon it later down the line, but they only read it once and give in due to weak will. Go ahead and say it was because they thought he was foolish, the bible is foolish, yet many other Atheists that I know of, who study all religion, have read that multiple times.



Again, sarcasm where it isn't needed is either the sign of a true fool, or the sign of a man who simply does not want his mind to be opened to anything new. You aren't much for stuff you can't see huh? Now, since we've gotten that out of the way...Tell me, what is it that you believe in, is it science? IF so, do you know how many things you accept in science are only THEORIES and have not been proven? Or have you neglected to research that as well my friend?


Trust me, I do JUST exist. Just like you, just exist. You have nothing beyond this that you will remember, so, yes, I just exist. I may make something of my life, just like you may try and do, but what is the point of it all? If you do not go anywhere after death, and have no belief that you will go anywhere after death, then what's the point in trying to make yourself a better person?



For the young Satanists, the 12-16 year olds mainly, it is both a rebellion from the people they see as assholes, and "god". It's a rebellion from everything. They wish to be out of the mainstream, so they will say and do anything to make themselves look different. That's what being a teenager is, a search to find your individual self, even if it means being a little prick in the process.


As for your chili comment. Why do you even debate on the existence of anything, if you are not willing to accept that there are other people who believe? Have you always been a close minded imbecile, and not willing to listen to what others have to say without making an idiotic come back, or has there been a recent change in your life that has caused a sever case of stupidity, idiocy, and ignorance? You know, like sever blunt force trauma?


As for "Satan's" views towards me, in fact, he does view me to be a prick. If I am on this forum much longer, you will see me as one as well, especially if you continue to come back at my posts with nothing but retarded remarks that are barely even acceptable from 10 year olds.

And to quote you, friend, "Peace"

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#318 - 09/13/07 09:31 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Brother J]
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 Originally Posted By: Brother J
His words in themselves were foolish, but if you look past the obvious themes in his discussions, and writings you will find that he actually has some bit of truth in them.


Ok I see now… After many readings of the foolish words Anton (the son of Leviathan) you were able to find the hidden message that carries just a bit of truth… Thanks for clearing that up for us…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
I don't see anyone bashing on Buddhists because of their beliefs, yet they do believe.


Perhaps it is simply due to the fact that there is no Buddhist here claiming to speak to god? I like many have a problem with what is known as BLIND faith…

You feel bashed? Interesting…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
With that being said, you can either learn to be more open minded, and try and comprehend things, or you can remain and ignorant twit.


{ I see your bet } You could learn to be more realistic and slow down while typing these responses… { and I raise you five } Simple misspellings have a way of stealing your fury when trying to call someone ignorant…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Oh, and the people that you know who have only read it once, were obviously not serious at all, in their search for any truth behind any religion. They were what I like to call, part-time students. They want to learn it so that they can debate upon it later down the line, but they only read it once and give in due to weak will.


You seem to make a lot of assumptions about many others that you do not know… What exactly are you basing your assumptions on? Could your thought process be the only flaw in this equation?

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Go ahead and say it was because they thought he was foolish,


No hypocrite that is what you said… “LaVey, in my honest opinion, was a complete fool” ~ Brother J

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
hypocritical? No. Could I have worded my my statements better? Yes. Now, with that being said


Alas we are back at the beginning…

Trying to backtrack from that statement is what is truly childish and ignorant…

Laughable thanks…

Good luck on your path…
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#334 - 09/13/07 07:46 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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I was taling to a psycology major the other day and he said something that I found to be very interesting and could well be applicable here.

He was also a bit of a philosopher and he was asking me what the LHP was, as he saw my mention of itn in MySpace.

Anyway, he was saying that when it comes to people, he thinks that we are all basically honest in our opinions and that to an extent everyone has something of the truth in what they beleive.
He went on to say that if you actively listten for that truth when people are trying to say something instead of focusing on the bullshit, you will walk away from every encounter with a bit more knowledge to add to your own truth.

He wasn't saying that you should believe it all, or that you should go "ok they're right I'm wrong" or anything that simple or stupid, but that as you pick up parts of their point that are what you consider to be relevant or truthfull, it can be added into your own philosphy and as such make your own richer and fuller. After all, it is all a journey and what you beleive now, shouldn't be exactly the same as what you will beleive in 10 years time. Experience and growth would be lost as a waste of time if it was.


I liked what he said, because I think that it is a positive way of dealing with unnecessary conflicts. Although in saying that I don't think ALL CONFLICT is unnessary.

This isn't aimed AT YOU Ta2zz BTW, just thought this was the appropriate place to add a comenct about it.

Zephyr
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#339 - 09/13/07 09:00 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I've taken bits and pieces of philosophy and life experience from outside sources like books, television, the internet, and other human beings. While most of it IS bullshit, yes, every now and again one DOES find a pearl amongst the rubble that can be added to your personal collection. That's how I like to think of it at least.

Something in LaVey's writings struck a chord within Brother J, just like the impact Nietsche had on others, and while most of us think LaVey was an entertainer at best, perhaps we should at least give J respect for his experience, if not for WHAT he experienced, if that makes any sense....
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#343 - 09/13/07 10:40 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Those that have known me long enough know that I am the first one to say…

“Everybody even the village idiot has a lesson to teach, if you are smart enough and willing to listen and look for this lesson…” ~ ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
As you pick up parts of their point that are what you consider to be relevant or truthfull, it can be added into your own philosphy and as such make your own richer and fuller. After all, it is all a journey and what you beleive now, shouldn't be exactly the same as what you will beleive in 10 years time.


Agreed and understood… This is a very simplified description of the workings of the human mind… Everybody grows their own way as the results of such interactions… Be it a line from a song or movie that moved you or the way somebody stands that you liked the human tends to assimilate these things into your own style/ way…

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I liked what he said, because I think that it is a positive way of dealing with unnecessary conflicts.


Thank you for sharing it is a lesson that many could stand to learn…

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Although in saying that I don't think ALL CONFLICT is unnessary.


Please realize that tolerance is not a high priority in my beliefs… I write to amuse myself, force others to think, and waste some time while being what I consider constructive… This exercises my mind and allows me to learn many different things from the many different people here…

Peace
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#345 - 09/13/07 11:56 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
 Originally Posted By: Brother J
His words in themselves were foolish, but if you look past the obvious themes in his discussions, and writings you will find that he actually has some bit of truth in them.


Ok I see now… After many readings of the foolish words Anton (the son of Leviathan) you were able to find the hidden message that carries just a bit of truth… Thanks for clearing that up for us…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
I don't see anyone bashing on Buddhists because of their beliefs, yet they do believe.


Perhaps it is simply due to the fact that there is no Buddhist here claiming to speak to god? I like many have a problem with what is known as BLIND faith…

You feel bashed? Interesting…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
With that being said, you can either learn to be more open minded, and try and comprehend things, or you can remain and ignorant twit.


{ I see your bet } You could learn to be more realistic and slow down while typing these responses… { and I raise you five } Simple misspellings have a way of stealing your fury when trying to call someone ignorant…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Oh, and the people that you know who have only read it once, were obviously not serious at all, in their search for any truth behind any religion. They were what I like to call, part-time students. They want to learn it so that they can debate upon it later down the line, but they only read it once and give in due to weak will.


You seem to make a lot of assumptions about many others that you do not know… What exactly are you basing your assumptions on? Could your thought process be the only flaw in this equation?

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
Go ahead and say it was because they thought he was foolish,


No hypocrite that is what you said… “LaVey, in my honest opinion, was a complete fool” ~ Brother J

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
hypocritical? No. Could I have worded my my statements better? Yes. Now, with that being said


Alas we are back at the beginning…

Trying to backtrack from that statement is what is truly childish and ignorant…

Laughable thanks…

Good luck on your path…



What's odd is the fact that you neglected my statement on science and how a lot of what you believe, in indeed you are nothing more than an Atheist, is nothing but theory. You do have a lot to learn don't you?

Now, what part of what I said about LaVey's writings being foolish, but the meaning behind them having some merit, did you not understand? Ah, I see how it is. You, like so many others simply detest the notion of there being anything else beyond your eye's capability, and why? Because you can't see them, you can't hear them. Well now, that seems to be every reason to make a joke out of the beliefs of someone who has seen, who has heard, and who has what you are oh so lacking....Belief.

You are obviously about as unable to see anyone else's point of view as the Catholics and Christians are. You're actions actually speak a lot about you, which is where I am able to sit here and "assume" things. You act, like a mindless twit with nothing better to do than put down the beliefs of other simply because you are lacking in that department. It's not that hard for people to see that about you, whether or not they decide to point it out, is their problem.

True, there is no Buddhist here claiming to speak to God, but, if there was, you'd be just as judgmental, and close-minded to them as you are to anyone else who has faith and has seen or spoken. Again, that is either a lack of care for the views of others, or, you were simply treated badly by a church. What? Were you raised Christian and God didn't answer any of your prayers? That's what started you along the path you are on, isn't it? It's not my fault you can't will yourself to pick up a grimoire from the 15th, or 14th century to read, and actually test them out. That's yours.

"With that being said, you can either learn to be more open minded, and try and comprehend things, or you can remain and ignorant twit."

By the way, there are no "misspellings" there. Perhaps I could have inserted a "-" in between close, and minded, but nothing was misspelled.


Again, your own actions have decided what you are, nothing more. The actions of those people that I do not know, do just that same thing. If they have no read it more than once, they will never get everything out of it. By the way, I'm no LaVeyan Satanist, in fact, I'm no Satanist at all, I simply have my views, and some are rather close. I figured I would come to a site with little, to no Christian influence, instead of the others that I am currently apart of that allow the Christians to come in, run rampant, preach their gospel, and do whatever else they please.


You are right, I called him foolish, because he did not utilize what he had within his grasp to the best he could. I did call his words foolish, and then state that some of the meanings behind them have merit. Why? Because the way you word things can be foolish, and still have meaning. Look at President Bush, the way his speeches are worded can be quite "foolish" but we all know his meaning behind them. He's going to continue being daddy's little toy and finish out his father legacy even if it means this country goes to shit. Again, you are lacking comprehension.

I've not attempted to back track from any statement. I stand by my views, and if you do not like them, then you 1) do not have to read, or reply 2) can learn to accept that not everyone is an Atheist trying to pose as a Satanist or 3) Read them, be civil and debate like a mature adult, which I've begun to have my doubts that you can be, and hopefully, in the process, learn something.

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#346 - 09/13/07 11:58 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
I've taken bits and pieces of philosophy and life experience from outside sources like books, television, the internet, and other human beings. While most of it IS bullshit, yes, every now and again one DOES find a pearl amongst the rubble that can be added to your personal collection. That's how I like to think of it at least.

Something in LaVey's writings struck a chord within Brother J, just like the impact Nietsche had on others, and while most of us think LaVey was an entertainer at best, perhaps we should at least give J respect for his experience, if not for WHAT he experienced, if that makes any sense....



At least there is someone on this forum with a bit of decency and an ability to accept that others have different views. Good on you.

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#347 - 09/14/07 12:00 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Nemesis]
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Respect is not given freely it is best earned…

This was sent to me from a member on his past experience here… There is a lesson here that many should learn…

“It was {insert any name here} that finally did me in.

He was too stupid to understand the concept that just because I disagreed with him, didn’t mean that I disliked him. I began to realize that he was so wrapped up in the forum that he took everything said as extremely personal.

On my part, I realized that I was falling into the same trap. I was far to irritated about what some faceless person halfway across the world thought. A person who had no impact on my life what so ever.”


The lesson I see is there is nothing said here that should be taken that personal… Too many seem to take words on the internet too seriously… If something gets you miffed wait until you calm down and can write a reply without excessive emotion… If you are upset think to yourself is this because something that was said rings true? Learn from the experience… Learn about your own emotions if nothing else… As I myself do…

Nothing that does not have a direct effect on you or yours should irritate you…
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#348 - 09/14/07 12:04 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Respect is not given freely it is best earned…

This was sent to me from a member on his past experience here… There is a lesson here that many should learn…

“It was {insert any name here} that finally did me in.

He was too stupid to understand the concept that just because I disagreed with him, didn’t mean that I disliked him. I began to realize that he was so wrapped up in the forum that he took everything said as extremely personal.

On my part, I realized that I was falling into the same trap. I was far to irritated about what some faceless person halfway across the world thought. A person who had no impact on my life what so ever.”


The lesson I see is there is nothing said here that should be taken that personal… Too many seem to take words on the internet too seriously… If something gets you miffed wait until you calm down and can write a reply without excessive emotion… If you are upset think to yourself is this because something that was said rings true? Learn from the experience… Learn about your own emotions if nothing else… As I myself do…

Nothing that does not have a direct effect on you or yours should irritate you…


Wise words, which is why I'd not let you get under my skin, or anyone else for that matter. Oh, and for a reminder to everyone else, I curse quite often, you can ask my girl, who is on the forum as well, and it often comes across like I am pissed, when I'm not.

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#350 - 09/14/07 01:46 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Brother J]
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I have nothing to prove to you about your assumptions of my beliefs or myself…

 Originally Posted By: Brother J
"With that being said, you can either learn to be more open minded, and try and comprehend things, or you can remain and ignorant twit."

By the way, there are no "misspellings" there. Perhaps I could have inserted a "-" in between close, and minded, but nothing was misspelled.


Correct in reality you substituted one word with another but when this is done by adding a single letter to a two letter word and making a real three letter word out of it? I will argue that it is a simple misspelling… Of course I will point out that your correction of putting a - between the words close and minded could work if the word close was even in that sentence…

Again my suggestion to you… Slow down read what you are saying then and only then if everything is set hit the reply button…

 Quote:
I'm no LaVeyan Satanist, in fact, I'm no Satanist at all


I know I read your first post…

Please stop… This is too much fun…
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#351 - 09/14/07 02:28 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Brother J]
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Hold on there Mister J. Brother J. I guess...

You're a weird one, that's the situation. You type incessantly, and I don't know what the fuck you're actually trying to say. And just because it's spelled correctly, doesn't mean it's "write". I don't have the time to pin-point flaws, but it is very disturbing and confusing to read.

And (you should never start a sentence with "and", I know), you CAN'T post a response to a post you made in a response to a post you made with the response and the post and the response and the post and the response and the repost and the sponce and the... I just became dizzy. If anyone knows how to read here, and I would like to think they can and do, the play-by-play is useless and unnecessary.

Ta2zz has "quoted", and will continue to do so, but there is a continuity that can be appreciated.

So just out with it... what do you believe??? What's the great mistery for all of us? What's the secret? I realize science is flawed, and I make no claims that it is any better than "religion" in many instances. Atheism holds no truths either, and seems a bit flawed as well. All mainstream religions suffer the same fate. So, as Ta2zz wrote... I raise you 5... what is exactly your thing?

You show me yours, and I might show you mine. I have to warn you - mine is beautiful and delicious.
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#374 - 09/16/07 12:51 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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I think you're very right, T. I don't usually grant respect without having that person work for it. But I wasn't talking about personal respect, since I don't know Brother J and can't make that judgement, but I meant respect for his epiphany. Epiphanies certainly don't have to be religious in nature. Understanding how physics is applied in everyday life was a bit of an epiphany for me back in school. That half of a second where everything snaps into place. Little things in life, personal insights, etc.... Just another piece of the puzzle in the grand scheme of things. If finding some truth in LaVey's wrtings helped him understand somewhat of himself, I'm all for it.

I was having issues with another co-worker, similar to what you described with the quote in your post. I was letting that stupid bastard get under my skin, and for what? I was letting it affect my work and personal life. I made the decision to go about my life as if that person didn't exist, and it's worked out rather well for me. Much less stress. Whenever I'm around him, I also give off a subtle sense of menace directed at him, just to make sure he knows his place in the food chain....wayyyy down at the bottom, somewhere around krill. Applied Satanism \:\)
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#375 - 09/16/07 01:12 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
You show me yours, and I might show you mine. I have to warn you - mine is beautiful and delicious.


Ooooohhh, show and tell? We need to get a web cam started up...
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#383 - 09/17/07 01:10 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Brother J]
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What's odd is the fact that you neglected my statement on science and how a lot of what you believe, in indeed you are nothing more than an Atheist, is nothing but theory.


Maybe you ought to clarify this statement. When you suggest that science is "nothing but theory", do you mean this in the same way as when creationists claim Darwinism is "just a theory"?

In science, "theory" does not mean "guess".

I would ask you, also, if you can suggest a paradigm for understanding the way the universe functions that is more adept than the one the scientific method provides?

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Well now, that seems to be every reason to make a joke out of the beliefs of someone who has seen, who has heard, and who has what you are oh so lacking....Belief.


"Belief" in what? I'll add my voice to the choir of users asking you to put your cards on the table.

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2) can learn to accept that not everyone is an atheist trying to pose as a Satanist


In light of your previous statements about not being a Satanist I am having a difficult time trying to understand the relevance of this point.

Is Ta2zz an Atheist posing as a Satanist? You use the former term somewhat derisively, I find, so I'd like to ask what you think the big differences are between the two positions.

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#397 - 09/17/07 04:14 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
Hold on there Mister J. Brother J. I guess...

You're a weird one, that's the situation. You type incessantly, and I don't know what the fuck you're actually trying to say. And just because it's spelled correctly, doesn't mean it's "write". I don't have the time to pin-point flaws, but it is very disturbing and confusing to read.

And (you should never start a sentence with "and", I know), you CAN'T post a response to a post you made in a response to a post you made with the response and the post and the response and the post and the response and the repost and the sponce and the... I just became dizzy. If anyone knows how to read here, and I would like to think they can and do, the play-by-play is useless and unnecessary.

Ta2zz has "quoted", and will continue to do so, but there is a continuity that can be appreciated.

So just out with it... what do you believe??? What's the great mistery for all of us? What's the secret? I realize science is flawed, and I make no claims that it is any better than "religion" in many instances. Atheism holds no truths either, and seems a bit flawed as well. All mainstream religions suffer the same fate. So, as Ta2zz wrote... I raise you 5... what is exactly your thing?

You show me yours, and I might show you mine. I have to warn you - mine is beautiful and delicious.


What is my thing? The Occult, is my thing. I've read grimoires from the 1400s, the 1500s, and prior to that. I make a point to study all things that have to do with the Occult, THAT is what I do.

What I believe? Well now, if I answer this question and state that I believe demons are real, then I will get the typical response from the non-believers. "Prove it" or them making excuses such as hallucinations and some mental disorders which have already been thrown out there by someone who obviously wants to believe that there is nothing after this world and nothing after you die aside from your corpse rotting in the ground.

By all means, if you wish to think that you go no where after you die, and you simply cease to exist, that's fine with me. However, do not act like a complete and utter tool simply over 1) a few grammatical errors, 2) the fact that you aren't interested in believing the same thing as others.

I also see where I accidentally said "close" instead of "open" where I was pointing out that there was no spelling errors, my apologies for having my mind stuck on the fact that you simply have a very narrow view on life, and the supernatural.


This "secret" is simply what I have already stated, that he is the Son of Leviathan. Go ahead, continue not believing, again, that is fine, but at least show the dignity and respect that you would like to receive when debating on subjects that involve religion.

Now I am off to the other thread to argue over there where someone has taken it upon himself to label me as having some form of mental disorders.

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#410 - 09/17/07 07:28 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Brother J]
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 Originally Posted By: Brother J
I also see where I accidentally said "close" instead of "open" where I was pointing out that there was no spelling errors


You still fail to see your mistake... That is the humorous part...

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Go ahead, continue not believing, again, that is fine, but at least show the dignity and respect that you would like to receive when debating on subjects that involve religion.


I do not debate religion it is a fools debate... Next bit of useless advice please...

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Now I am off to the other thread to argue over there where someone has taken it upon himself to label me as having some form of mental disorders.


Your argument is weak, your label is "The Satan whisperer" My screen name is "ta2zz" I am very well known around here... Some love me, others hate me... A few even love to hate me...

Glad to see you stick around but I do wish you would start to show true intelligence in some of your replies...

How much fun can one be expected to have and survive the experience...

Toodles...
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#411 - 09/17/07 07:38 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
My screen name is "ta2zz" I am very well known around here... Some love me, others hate me... A few even love to hate me...


I love you, ta2zz!
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#412 - 09/17/07 07:38 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Epiphanies certainly don't have to be religious in nature.


What are they when speaking to Satan is involved?

 Quote:
I was having issues with another co-worker, similar to what you described with the quote in your post. I was letting that stupid bastard get under my skin, and for what?


You should know I do this to amuse myself… Nobody on a forum can get under my skin that would be rather weak…

 Quote:
Whenever I'm around him, I also give off a subtle sense of menace directed at him, just to make sure he knows his place in the food chain....wayyyy down at the bottom, somewhere around krill.


Hence why I reply to such krill… The structure of the forum does not allow such visual subtleties…

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Applied Satanism \:\)


Each in our own way… ;\)

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I love you, ta2zz!


*blushes* Why thank you…


Edited by ta2zz (09/17/07 07:40 PM)
Edit Reason: I wanted to...
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#413 - 09/17/07 07:49 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
Is Ta2zz an atheist posing as a Satanist? You use the former term somewhat derisively, I find, so I'd like to ask what you think the big differences are between the two positions.


Heh a Poser Satanist that is a new prefix for me, Lol…

He has stated that he talks on Christian forums… I would imagine calling someone an Atheist there would have the effect he was trying for here… I must just not sit well with occultists…

Peace BB…
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#486 - 09/19/07 06:32 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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I wholeheartedly agree. There is nothing much that I can add to the subject matter since it was so eloquently touched upon by ta2zz. I never take anything personal on this site, for I know no member on a personal level. I simply take what is said to me and integrate it into my own life if I find it to be highly beneficial for me to know and implement. I find that on this forum that I have learned alot more by reading posts than by posting posts. Good day.
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#611 - 09/24/07 07:14 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Asmedious]
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Well said; well said indeed. My respect for the Church of Satan just extends to the fact that it was LaVey's creation and I have high regards and respect for good old Anton. While it is a truism that the Administration and "leaders" of it now are therein lacking and sadly phony and incompetent; I still give them an ounce of respect for trying to keep it going.
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#1400 - 11/03/07 11:31 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: Meq]
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I want to add the Golden Dawn as another source. The only issue I have with the TSB is LaVey changed the wording of the Enochian keys and there are actually only 18, not 19. The key described as 19th is actually the "Key of the Thirty Aethers." Enochian magic is alot more complicated than it's portrayed in TSB also. I'm not a know it all, I just wanted to point that out.
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#5496 - 03/13/08 04:44 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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Please realize that tolerance is not a high priority in my beliefs… I write to amuse myself, force others to think, and waste some time while being what I consider constructive… This exercises my mind and allows me to learn many different things from the many different people here…


So you openly admit to doing nothing here but wasting time? I'm sure that is what Rick wants; a bulletin board full of time wasters. Ta2zz, you seem to be one of the most ignorant people here. You lack the basics of respect and tolerance. You don't contribute your own thoughts to peoples' threads, you simply waste bandwidth by posting the whole "I am inside your head" bullshit. Honestly, it's getting old and it's become dull and boring.

If you can find it within yourself to not attempt to besmirch a thread with your usual posts, and actually contribute to the thread like everyone else does -- then you'll probably gain the respect of those opposed to your philosophical views. This is an opinion board, not a we'll-attack-your-opinion board.

Not to mention, how about walking out your front door for a change and actually trying the crap you have on here on real people? Fearful of the consequences? You know damn well what the consequences would be, you lack the guts and glory to say half the things you do on here out in the real world.
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#5508 - 03/13/08 08:07 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Respect is not given freely it is best earned…

This was sent to me from a member on his past experience here… There is a lesson here that many should learn…

“It was {insert any name here} that finally did me in.

He was too stupid to understand the concept that just because I disagreed with him, didn’t mean that I disliked him. I began to realize that he was so wrapped up in the forum that he took everything said as extremely personal.

On my part, I realized that I was falling into the same trap. I was far to irritated about what some faceless person halfway across the world thought. A person who had no impact on my life what so ever.”


The lesson I see is there is nothing said here that should be taken that personal… Too many seem to take words on the internet too seriously… If something gets you miffed wait until you calm down and can write a reply without excessive emotion… If you are upset think to yourself is this because something that was said rings true? Learn from the experience… Learn about your own emotions if nothing else… As I myself do…

Nothing that does not have a direct effect on you or yours should irritate you…


These seem like wise words at first but they're not really ta2zz, they're just ignorance in many ways.

We live in a global world now, one where people are connected at the touch of a button. People can communicate and socialise with other people on the opposite side of the world as and when they choose. I am doing it now. I'm currently talking to a person in Australia, and why, because I like and respect this person.

Just because the medium you speak in grants you some anonymity doesn't make it any less valid. I make no effort to hide myself. My name is Billy McKenna, I live in Bangor in Wales, UK and I'm 22 years old. This is information anyone could find out in a few seconds searching on the internet. I am far too well known online for me to hide and I like it this way because it adds credence to what I say. People know I'm not just a nameless entity and that I actually mean what I write.

True what you say holds water. No-one on here directly effects your personal life, you career or your family life. HOWEVER, social interaction is the cornerstone of much of the needs of the standard person. Whether you choose to make it happen online or in the bar at the end of your road, surely people you identify as intelligent, particually those who share your ideas and opinions, are people who's judgement is of value to you. If they show disdain towards you does it not lessen you a little. It would for me.

The random spam writer who posts no-nothing posts means nothing to me. The average poster here is intelligent and respectful. I respect their opinions, ideas and judgement to a given level. I talk to them on a regular basis and on some level I consider them friends. I like to be considerate towards my friends and I like to think that they have respect and compassion towards me. It saddens me that you can be so blasé when it comes to the people here.

I agree not taking every post personally is sound advice. People are often much more crude, crass and definitive in what they write on the internet. There is a safty in it. But dismissing it in such a way is just as foolish and it makes your involvement in the community a waste of time.

If you see no value in the community or in this method of socialising at all then perhaps you should leave it behind, because those who you show no respect, not even common courtesy, will begin to ignore you opinions and ideas as you have theirs. It's already starting, but then, you don't care if these people ignore you do you. It's only the internet after all.
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#5509 - 03/13/08 08:22 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
These seem like wise words at first but they're not really ta2zz, they're just ignorance in many ways.

We live in a global world now, one where people are connected at the touch of a button. People can communicate and socialise with other people on the opposite side of the world as and when they choose. I am doing it now. I'm currently talking to a person in Australia, and why, because I like and respect this person.

Just because the medium you speak in grants you some anonymity doesn't make it any less valid. I make no effort to hide myself. My name is Billy McKenna, I live in Bangor in Wales, UK and I'm 22 years old. This is information anyone could find out in a few seconds searching on the internet. I am far too well known online for me to hide and I like it this way because it adds credence to what I say. People know I'm not just a nameless entity and that I actually mean what I write.

True what you say holds water. No-one on here directly effects your personal life, you career or your family life. HOWEVER, social interaction is the cornerstone of much of the needs of the standard person. Whether you choose to make it happen online or in the bar at the end of your road, surely people you identify as intelligent, particually those who share your ideas and opinions, are people who's judgement is of value to you. If they show disdain towards you does it not lessen you a little. It would for me.

The random spam writer who posts no-nothing posts means nothing to me. The average poster here is intelligent and respectful. I respect their opinions, ideas and judgement to a given level. I talk to them on a regular basis and on some level I consider them friends. I like to be considerate towards my friends and I like to think that they have respect and compassion towards me. It saddens me that you can be so blasé when it comes to the people here.

I agree not taking every post personally is sound advice. People are often much more crude, crass and definitive in what they write on the internet. There is a safty in it. But dismissing it in such a way is just as foolish and it makes your involvement in the community a waste of time.

If you see no value in the community or in this method of socialising at all then perhaps you should leave it behind, because those who you show no respect, not even common courtesy, will begin to ignore you opinions and ideas as you have theirs. It's already starting, but then, you don't care is these people ignore you do you. It's only the internet after all.

Seconded.

There is a fine-line between social interaction and online socialising. The difference being is that people can hide themselves on here. I've been attacked several times because I don't disclose my name or true personal details on the Internet; for this I have good reason and my occupation alone practically forbids me from doing so. However, I also don't disclose personal information because that is of my own moral standards.

Ta2zz, you're probably an extremely intelligent bloke. You have written some wise-words in the past, but what you lack is respect and tolerance. It seems to me that you use the Internet as a scapegoat to publish your true feelings, or to boost your alter-ego because you know the only severe consequences of doing so are non-existant. You cannot be physically attacked on the Internet. That's the difference.

You claim to be an individual of 'intellect' -- but I see no difference between you and a gutless wonder. You would not say half the things you say on here out in the real world. Because, from my observations, you're extremely intimdated and weak-willed. You back-down from social situations that may put you in a position or bad situation that is uncomfortable or potentially dangerous to your own well-being.
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#5516 - 03/13/08 09:24 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: DaVinci]
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There is a fine-line between social interaction and online socialising. The difference being is that people can hide themselves on here. I've been attacked several times because I don't disclose my name or true personal details on the Internet; for this I have good reason and my occupation alone practically forbids me from doing so. However, I also don't disclose personal information because that is of my own moral standards.


ha this coming from you i finally fuigered out who you are davinci/ matthew/ previous name on this forum Ordellani befor you opened you fucking mouth to big and told a few to many lies that you couldnt back up mr ceo lets look at the facts from austrilia/in the military same bullshit lies same ,holier than thou attitude and what do i find when i go to Ordellani website the same fucking avatar you have on here i knew as soon as i saw that avatar i recognized the font just did not know from where, it was when i first went to your site to see if your bullshit held any water of course it did not you header and name where in that exact font. then you made the mistake of letting your key phrase slip out in recent post here (besmitching) right fucking then i knew. oh child you almsot had me fooled but you couldn stop saying besmitching could you

dont belive me that is the same lying sack of shit 600 club? look for your self this is his website http://www.ordellani.com/showthread.php?tid=41&pid=87#pid87

so you matthew have to come back under a new name,new identity like a fucking coward, do we mean that mutch to you child?

some of mathews claims http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/2508/#Post2508

a little nostalgia child the very last thing i said to you befor you left never to be seen agian at least under the name
Ordellani and so the coward davinci was born.

heres a screenshot in case matthew decides to change his avatar beacuse of this post. http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1806/sneakyfuckvt1.jpg




how orgiginal a quote their mathew where have i heard that befor and befor and befor think of a new fucking catch phrase at least, ahh scicne you have shown your face i saw the site looks like a blog to me not the company you claimed it to be child where is this?

(Nice attempt to besmirch my name and the companies. Perhaps you could send that to our executive Head Programmers office in London, I'm sure it would be appreciated.

As far as I can see from your site, you have pseudo-artistic "templates" that look like they've been designed by a minor. Your art is ridiculous, and your petty character-attacks will and have accomplished you nothing.

I'm currently switching the servers for our site, and putting the portfolio up. I assure you, once you see the designs we've done, and who for, you'll fade back into obscurity once again.

Try again. )

still wating for your art and the so called company work so i can fade back into obscurty mr ceo, ah yes and i attacked your chachter beacuse you are a fraud when you need to lie aobut your achomplishments this tells me you are unhappy about your life and where you are ,and this to me is far from satanic i on the other hand am who i claim to be, so i leave you with this thought child, show me the work you claim mr ceo and stop using the same fucking lines besmirching, fuck when i was looking up your so called comapny on google all i had to do follow the besmirching comment and that exact phrase huddle with the sheep and no sign of your company other then at self help do it for free websites where your spewing the same banter that you have exebited here.memorize a few big words their child?


if any other 600 club memeber want a good laugh look up ordellani also self professed warlock of the Church of Satan or satanslitteone on myspace in google the amount of besmirching and huddle with the sheep is quite humours never mind that fact that you are ceo of fuck all.need a title mutch?

programers in london hA!!fucking poser the worst sort of sheep.
and you have the motherfucking nerve to try to insult my art and sucess when you have nothing your self and need to lie aobut it fuck you.
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#5518 - 03/13/08 09:46 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: rob_church]
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rob_church, considering your posts on this site I'm more inclined to not give a shit what you're saying than I normally would but here goes nothing. WHO GIVES A SHIT?

So DaVinci has started a company that is considerably less than sucessful by your standards and previously used the name Ordellani. I fail to see why this matters.

This is nothing but a blatent character attack and I see no problem with anything done in the past. Perhaps Da-llani or whatever hybrid we'll be using here has upset you but not me. DaVinci has been an interesting person to talk to and I have enjoyed the conversations, unlike yourself Rob. Ordellani seemed a bit pompous and full of himself. That was however almost a year ago, people change a great deal in a year. Assuming they are in fact the same person you seem reluctant to take this into account and judge a person based on who they are now.

I don't know if anything DaVinci says is true. It could be complete bullshit. Everything he's told me about his life could be a total lie. But who the fuck cares. I have enjoyed having someone interesting and intelligent to talk to and as I cannot verify anything said, and it has really no effect on my life either way, I'm willing to accept everything said as truth. Why the hell not.

In closing rob... Fuck Off!

I don't have the time or patience for people who want to come here to have there little penis mesuring contests and try to destory peoples character, labeling them as liers and frauds based of what I can see as little more than embellishment and exaggeration. We're all guilty of it to some extent. You're not important enough to make a stir here I'm afraid, now toddle off.
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#5519 - 03/13/08 09:50 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: rob_church]
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Rob Church,

I asure you for one that..

a) My name is not Matthew. Never has been, nor will I ever disclose my real name on the Internet.

b) You recognise an avatar. That is rather delighful of you. Now, I'm curious -- what would you do if it wasn't actually me? You have just thrusted yourself upon a band-wagon of unusual and trivial facts, and potentially lost the respect of your fellow posters.

c) The reason I disappeared is because I had to leave for work-related duties and had a nice little vacation in the Middle East. I sincerely apologise if you feel that is rather low and cowardice of me.

d) You swear alot. Do you lack the abilities to argue without the need for verbal profanity attacks? I understand you must be frustrated, it seems to have annoyed you to a remarkable point. I can honestly say I've never seen anyone get so worked-up over the Internet before.

e) Indeed. Design was one of my passionate hobbies before deployment, unfortunately I don't have the privilege of spending all my time on the Internet -- enough so that I can create theme after theme and templates.

f) No screenshot is necessary. I have nothing to hide; if honesty is something you cannot accept then perhaps you need a change of lifestyle - or an Athsma puffer.

I'll admit, you were so clever. You found me out. I'm the Big Bad Wolf. Tell me: where do you get such brilliant intelligence from? You're so incredibly remarkable and I'm honestly in a state of panic and shock. You can tell, right? After all, one who spends such time on the Internet chasing people must know the signs. One must know these things; being able to read-minds through a monitor. You have my vote for "da smartestestest kiddy ov da yr." It's quite an honour, you know.

In all honesty -- it seems the only thing available in your vocabulary is the word "besmirch" and/or "besmirching." You also attacked a quasi-company I used to co-own and operate. Unfortunately you know, I joined the Military and had to perform my duties to help support the National Interests of my country. I am such a coward. How revolting of me; I should be shot dead immediately -- and without trial.

As for coward, well, I've never been asked about my previous account. No one has confronted me, so I provided no response. Have I denied it? Absolutely not -- why is that? Because, much to your dismay I have nothing to hide. Do I sense a closet-case self-loather? Is your life that dull that you must spend and waste your time hunting down people on the Internet that you consider "frauds"? Oh, dear. The company didn't get as much business as your own. What an atrocity -- so instead of trying to support the 'little guy' we must attack and ridicule at bay! We're so tough.

I want to be just like you when I grow down.
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#5520 - 03/13/08 09:52 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Thanks, mate.
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#5521 - 03/13/08 09:53 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: TornadoCreator]
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ha mabey you are guilty of it come to think of it i have never seen a pic of you:) but i am everyhting i claim to be

it matters because he is fucking lier need . the fact he came in under a new identy alone say this mutch i fuigered you would be in here defending your new best bud so knwoelge has come to light and you are mad is not knowlege power dont you want to know that it is ordenlli so you can be better friends or worship at his feet?

and yes this is personal i pm him after that and gave him one chance i would not expose his lying ass if he told me the truth and he spit it back in my face so fuck him and fuck you tc
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#5522 - 03/13/08 09:54 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: rob_church]
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Oh Rob I fucking LOVE you. *runs up and gives him a great big fat kiss (no tongue)*

This guy has been bugging the fuck out of me with the shit he has been sprouting. The baseless shit that he can't back up like 'my Dad's a friend of Chopper Reads'. I've been in the process of writing to Chopper via his myspace trying to spring this little fuckwit in his own lies.

I knew it!

Ah man, you have just put the biggest fucking smile on my face!

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou.

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#5523 - 03/13/08 09:57 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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How is it possible to provide verification of real world activities on the Internet? Are you who you say you are? Are you really a mother? These are all questions that individuals will have during their time on the unearthed walls of the Internet. You can accuse and abuse at will, but it proves nothing.
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#5524 - 03/13/08 10:00 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: rob_church]
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its not that your company did not get as mutch bisness its that you claimed it somthing its not just as you have done with this new idenity. but you are right i shall waste no more time on you i have exposed you for the fraud you are i will let people do with that as they will.
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#5525 - 03/13/08 10:06 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: rob_church]
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New identity? I have said nothing on this account that I already haven't in my previous account. You're getting so worked up by words on the Internet. This is a rare treat for me, so I shall embrace it to its fullest. Please though, elaborate on how I am a fraud. I'm curious now and I don't think I can go on another day until you publicly explain it to me and everyone else on the 600 Club website exactly how it is I'm a "fraud."

People are free to make up their own opinions -- that is their right and privilege as an individual human being. But unfortunately, online activities don't affect my real life. You know, outside of your bedroom -- out the window kind of thing?
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#5526 - 03/13/08 10:16 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: DaVinci]
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It's quite easy to provide verification of real world activities if they are REAL DaVinci. It must however be a real conundrum if you are full of it, as you so obviously are.

LOL!

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#5527 - 03/13/08 10:19 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Indeed, it probably is easy to verify real world activities on the Internet -- but like you stated, why must I justify myself to people I converse with on the Internet? As you you distinctly stated..

"I do not, however, need to justify my worldly travels and friendships to you."
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#5529 - 03/13/08 10:28 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: rob_church]
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And yet still nothing has happened. DaVinci has not melted into a pile of technicolour goo at the fact that his major, (and remarkably uninteresting), secret is out in the open. Wooooo.

As for not seeing a picture of me, I'm planning on getting a webcam soon enough, when I do you'll see plenty of me as I'll likely be making a few YouTube vids, (I've been planning to for a while). If you do a google search you'll find pictures after a while I'm sure... they're not hard to find.


One picture from years back

Awful picture from my second year in uni.

You can find more if you look but I can't be assed.

Now please, com'on guys. Let's stop this stupid shit, we don't want the 600 club to become yet another cesspoll of forum nonscence.

And for the record. I defend whoever I think is right, reguardless of whether I like them, I just tend to get on well with people who are consistantly right and get on badly with people who don't like being wrong.
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#5530 - 03/13/08 10:32 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
And yet still nothing has happened. DaVinci has not melted into a pile of technicolour goo at the fact that his major, (and remarkably uninteresting), secret is out in the open. Wooooo.

As for not seeing a picture of me, I'm planning on getting a webcam soon enough, when I do you'll see plenty of me as I'll likely be making a few YouTube vids, (I've been planning to for a while). If you do a google search you'll find pictures after a while I'm sure... they're not hard to find.


One picture from years back

Awful picture from my second year in uni.

You can find more if you look but I can't be assed.

Now please, com'on guys. Let's stop this stupid shit, we don't want the 600 club to become yet another cesspoll of forum nonscence.

And for the record. I defend whoever I think is right, reguardless of whether I like them, I just tend to get on well with people who are consistantly right and get on badly with people who don't like being wrong.


Well said.

By the way, though -- you do realise you're going to have that all chopped off? It's a shame, too. I was planning on growing my hair long like that before I joined, but when the opportunity made itself present that I could join, it got all chopped off. \:\(
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#5584 - 03/13/08 11:16 PM Resurrection of a dead thread for what purpose? [Re: DaVinci]
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9/14/07 - 3/13/08 Resurrection of a dead thread for what purpose?

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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Please realize that tolerance is not a high priority in my beliefs… I write to amuse myself, force others to think, and waste some time while being what I consider constructive… This exercises my mind and allows me to learn many different things from the many different people here…

 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
So you openly admit to doing nothing here but wasting time? I'm sure that is what Rick wants; a bulletin board full of time wasters. Ta2zz, you seem to be one of the most ignorant people here. You lack the basics of respect and tolerance. You don't contribute your own thoughts to peoples' threads, you simply waste bandwidth by posting the whole "I am inside your head" bullshit. Honestly, it's getting old and it's become dull and boring.


You and your new friend seem rather upset that I challenged your intelligence… You both must have been seriously injured by my use of the word ignorant… It will not affect me as you… Words do not hurt me you missed that part somewhere… You missed a lot actually… Your quoting my words and your response to them are proof…

You then reopen a thread from 6 months ago to try to prove your point, and end up proving mine… All while remaining very off topic… Vomiting your opinion as the word of god here is not a contribution to this thread or community? What exactly is your contribution? Trying to be my mommy?

You grow the balls to sit here and say what Rick wants… I ask when did you become Rick’s voice or guardian?

DaVinci tries to teach Xear E-Manners and copyright law while playing an E-Lawyer…

Last I checked looks like you were pleasantly told to STFU and stick to things you know…

 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
Not to mention, how about walking out your front door for a change and actually trying the crap you have on here on real people? Fearful of the consequences? You know damn well what the consequences would be, you lack the guts and glory to say half the things you do on here out in the real world.

Listen child, I am not very different in real life than this forum… Perhaps you should start with reading The Satanic Bible… That is a primer in what the majority believe here… It could do you well in appearing to know what you speak of and/or with whom you speak…

Your try at being an E-Lawyer with Xear failed, your trial at being E-Psychologist for the forum is in the process of failing… Don't be E-Tarded…

I myself do not think you will be here much longer…

Have a nice day…

Please, feel the need to not further corrupt the forum with spreading your feces all over the walls… Just my humble opinion…

~T~


Edited by ta2zz (03/13/08 11:37 PM)
Edit Reason: changed slightly to reflect a new thought
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#5585 - 03/13/08 11:42 PM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
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Registered: 02/09/08
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Loc: Australia
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You and your new friend seem rather upset that I challenged your intelligence… You both must have been seriously injured by my use of the word ignorant… It will not affect me as you and TC… Words do not hurt me you missed that part somewhere… You missed a lot actually… Your quoting my words and your response to them are proof…


You need a social life. Honestly, what gives you the impression and idea that you're some form of philosophical genius? You talk as if you are above everyone else. Don't talk down to people and learn to put thought into your posts rather then your very ordinary quote & post.

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You then reopen a thread from 6 months ago to try to prove your point, and end up proving mine… All while remaining very off topic… Vomiting your opinion as the word of god here is not a contribution to this thread or community? What exactly is your contribution? Trying to be my mommy?


Vomiting my opinion? Hypocrite much? I see nothing from you but quoting and posting. Attempting to pick-out flaws within a statement. That's all you do. You're not very good at exposing flaws though either, it's funny laughing at your every post because you think you have many "nailed" when they're probaly laughing as hard as I am.

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You grow the balls to sit here and say what Rick wants… I ask when did you become Rick’s voice or guardian?

DaVinci tries to teach Xear E-Manners and copyright law while playing an E-Lawyer…

Last I checked looks like you were pleasantly told to STFU and stick to things you know…


So you don't mind if The 600 Club got shut down for copyright infringements? Rick clarified things for me, and that is all that needed to be said. So, I suggest you kindly "STFU" and move on.

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Listen child, I am not very different in real life than this forum… Perhaps you should start with reading The Satanic Bible… That is a primer in what the majority believe here… It could do you well in appearing to know what you speak of and/or with whom you speak…


Read it, disliked it, will never read it again. As for the "child" thing -- is that all you can say? Parrot. You are different, because if you talked that way to people such as me in real life, I honestly wouldn't hesitate in smacking you out.

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Your try at being an E-Lawyer with Xear failed, your trial at being E-Psychologist for the forum is in the process of failing… Don't be E-Tarded…


lol wut?

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I myself do not think you will be here much longer…


Probably not. But I don't mind you see, because I don't rely on the Internet for human and social interaction.
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#5586 - 03/14/08 12:59 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: DaVinci]
ta2zz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1552
Loc: Connecticut
Target acquired, I have the shot…

You have the balls to come in here spewing a post about respect? You do not know the first thing about respect other than perhaps what may have been taught to you in the armed forces… You telling those of us older than yourself to grow up while trying to force your views of what your idea of a contribution is, you are being outright disrespectful…

What you know of respect and tolerance is spoon fed to you like a small infant… Behave, tolerate, and respect or suffer the consequences… You were trained as a dog is trained to not piss on the carpet…

You spend two days harassing me and other members through Pm’s… Trying to shove what you think should be, how you think we should act down our throats… Doing little more than falling to oh so typical high school name calling…

When that tactic did not get the results you wanted and I basically laughed at you, the need burned like an itch you just could not reach… So you came and brought your plight into the public… Seeking aid, wanting badly for someone to help defend you and your ideas…

Pity it seems this is not working also…

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You are different, because if you talked that way to people such as me in real life, I honestly wouldn't hesitate in smacking you out.

Correct I am different… There is always a bigger dog out there… Did you ever think that perhaps in real life it would be you shutting up, tucking your tail between your legs pissing in fear of getting smacked out? You are in need of some serious life lessons…

Unlike your proposed threat the following is merely for educational purposes…

Tell me when you "smack someone out", at the moment your raise your hand to him or her, are you then at that moment prepared to die? Have you thought out this possibility? Are you prepared for any person in real life to not just kill you the moment mere words become threat of physical harm?

Who is trying to make themselves look like a billy bad ass here?

Seriously why is it you continue to bitch about the very same things you do, saying we need help and change in the very areas you yourself are weak?

Spend more time on introspection and you may avoid this in the future… Do this for none but yourself man…

I am also done with you… Talk away but do not take my silence to you as weakness…

~T~

P.S. I noticed a small feature available in this build of the forum… “Ignore this user”… I myself would probably never use it but I am guessing that if you hit that link it will be as if we popped out for good… Imagine a perfect forum where you could ignore everyone but those whose ideals match yours perfectly… I think it is available to you…

Perhaps someone could try it and report to us that it blocks everything about the ignored user? Rick?
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#5591 - 03/14/08 02:53 AM Re: Fundamentalist Satanists [Re: ta2zz]
DaVinci Offline
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Registered: 02/09/08
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Loc: Australia
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What you know of respect and tolerance is spoon fed to you like a small infant… Behave, tolerate, and respect or suffer the consequences… You were trained as a dog is trained to not piss on the carpet…


I am trained, you're quite correct. But is it hard for you to accept that maybe I aspired to all of those things long before I joined the Defence Force? I'm trained in combat, and I'm trained to defend. But I was never trained to show tolerance and respect.

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You spend two days harassing me and other members through Pm’s… Trying to shove what you think should be, how you think we should act down our throats… Doing little more than falling to oh so typical high school name calling…


What you fail to understand is that I'm human. I defend myself, and I will defend those in which I believe are right. Name calling? Funny, I'd love to post and quote some of the PM's sent to me -- but as I don't believe in releasing private and confidential materials, I will leave it be. I do believe "idiot" was the first childish thing said, and it came from you in the Shout Box.

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When that tactic did not get the results you wanted and I basically laughed at you, the need burned like an itch you just could not reach… So you came and brought your plight into the public… Seeking aid, wanting badly for someone to help defend you and your ideas…


I brought things into the public so that people such as yourself would get the message -- that i won't tolerate childish and pseudo-intellectual behaviour. If you have something you feel you would like to say, say it. But keep it to one thread instead of cluttering up the entire website full of it. The only people I ever expect to defend me are those I work with. Friendships built on foundations that you couldn't even begin to comprehend. I do not expect anyone here to defend me.

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Correct I am different… There is always a bigger dog out there… Did you ever think that perhaps in real life it would be you shutting up, tucking your tail between your legs pissing in fear of getting smacked out? You are in need of some serious life lessons…


I was, once. I would run and I would hide -- but not anymore. I've seen and witnessed things that would make you sick to your stomach. Until you have experienced what I have, you have no right and no place to judge -- you are simply jumping to assumptions, a costly mistake in my occupation.

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Tell me when you "smack someone out", at the moment your raise your hand to him or her, are you then at that moment prepared to die? Have you thought out this possibility? Are you prepared for any person in real life to not just kill you the moment mere words become threat of physical harm?


That is the stupidest question I've ever read. Am I prepared to die? No, I joined the Military to light candles and sing songs while sitting next to a camp fire sipping on fine wines and talking about memories past. I am prepared to die and to accomplish my goals by any means necessary -- I am willing to die for the freedom of my country and my family and friends. How about you? Oh, for the record, I despise men that hit women. They're gutless wonders and deserve capital punishment. ;\)

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Who is trying to make themselves look like a billy bad ass here?


I'm actually a very non-violent person. If you perceive me as a "billy bad ass" then go right ahead. My training makes me more of a threat, but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way to harm an individual simply because of conflict of opinion and interest.

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I am also done with you… Talk away but do not take my silence to you as weakness…


Like a dog quivering in fear, curled up in the fetal position howling like a child.

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P.S. I noticed a small feature available in this build of the forum… “Ignore this user”… I myself would probably never use it but I am guessing that if you hit that link it will be as if we popped out for good… Imagine a perfect forum where you could ignore everyone but those whose ideals match yours perfectly… I think it is available to you…


I would not lower myself to such. I face those opposed to me, and hate my enemy with a wholeheart. Though, I can't call you an enemy because you pose no threat.
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