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#117595 - 12/02/18 09:42 AM National Socialism
Rob Taylor Offline
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I have had an interest in the third reich for well over 20 years. Now I do not mean that I am a nazi, this is a genuine interest.
A lot of the philosophy of the nazi party, I agree with. In fact, probably the only part I disagree with is the racism.
Now, a nation that was on its knees for years and grew strong enough to almost rule the world in the space of a few years? Pretty efficient and effective political strength.
I'm not sure how many of you have read Mein Kampf, which is a very interesting read by the way, but some of Hitler's ideas were fantastic. One of my favourites was his idea of imprisoning anyone to lazy to work, and sending them to a Labour camp. Once released, they were expected to get a job within a certain time period, and if they didn't, back to the labour camp to work for free. The same went for those constantly resigning from jobs with little reason.
The other thing I like was the justice system of nazi Germany. Basically, if you had committed a crime, you were no way going to walk free due to some legislation error or slight element of doubt. If you were found guilty by 2 members of the nazi party and 1 lay person, that was that. You were going to receive your just punishment.
Now, don't get me wrong. The idea of death camps and mass executions etc were absolutely terrible, but would it be such a bad thing to have all these nasty little fuckers who attack people with hammers to steal their stuff, have never and never intend to hold legitimate jobs, bring no benefit to society whatsoever, sent to some very nasty place, never to be seen again?
Society is pretty shit when the majority think that it's okay to pay for these parasites who choose to live a life of crime, and piss off every grafter.

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#117596 - 12/02/18 10:15 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: Rob Taylor]
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Why do you see value in punishing people who don't want to work? Isn't that some rubbish from the Bible about eating bread by the sweat of your brow?

I thought the point of working is to get enough money together so you can kiss that boring stuff goodbye? Unless you have a specific talent that allows you a career you find personally rewarding, like my late husband did. Getting paid for doing what you love is pretty cool.

I last worked in 1989, but haven't been on the dole taking money from the taxes of people who do work. I just live a pleasantly simple life disconnected from "The Man". Of course, most people might not be able to live for decades unsupervised without getting into trouble.

Think of how much better the 20th Century would have turned out if Adolf Hitler had been forced to get a job, instead of showboating around making speeches and dreaming about being Holy Roman Emperor.
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#117597 - 12/02/18 10:24 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: Kori Houghton]
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Whether we like it or not, Hitler had the art of speech mastered. As I say, he brought a nation from its knees and very nearly ended up being the world superpower.
That couldn't have happened, and rocket science etc would be much less evolved now if Hitler "had been forced to get a job".

If you don't want to work, but support yourself completely, of course there is no problem, but expecting others to pay your way? No thanks.

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#117604 - 12/02/18 10:13 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: Rob Taylor]
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We'll, I say we have too many restrictions. If the police are ordered to stand down and do nothing while antifa tries to attack me, OK. Just don't come arrest me if a few chumps loose a few teeth in the process. More freedom, the better.

And fuck socialism of any kind.

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#117605 - 12/02/18 11:40 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: Creatura Noptii]
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Socialism in the Scandinavian flavor reflects a pre-existing social compact that is often lacking in newer nations. The related but distinct idea, so important in Puritan thought, that people covenant with each other to make a church for their ecclesiastical polity, was extended to their secular polity. We have as a result a uniquely gratified existence, the best of both worlds. This naturally attracts misanthropes with feeble intent.
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#117606 - 12/03/18 02:02 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: Rob Taylor]
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If you are so interested in the Third Reich, then you probably heard about the People's Court. It dealt with the so-called political offenses, even if those "crimes" merely meant distributing anti-government pamphlets. The People's Court played a major role in sentencing to death the White Rose members. The accused barely had a chance to speak in their defence. I wouldn't call that justice.

Hitler indeed reduced unemployment and the living conditions of Germans were much better than during the Great Depression. But here is a thing. The economy fluctuates. The times of economic slowdowns come and go, just like the times of prosperity. Some regulation by the government can help, just like it happened in the US, but whether it was worth the war hecatomb is disputable.

If Hitler had been such a strategic genius, had a long-time vision and could predict the consequences of his actions, he wouldn't have repeated the mistake of Napoleon Bonaparte. And we know that the biggest mistake of Napoleon was attacking Russia. The harsh climate has always worked in favor of Russians.

He was convincing enough to the masses, I will give you that. Mainly because he told people what they wanted to hear, he appealed to their primitive instincts and sentiments.

If you managed to read Mein Kampf, kudos to you. I read only bits and pieces. This shit is unreadable. The guy was crazy, and not at all in the positive sense.
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#117608 - 12/03/18 04:22 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: aeon6]
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Your little Scandinavian countries have no backup in case your leaders decide to cut you off. None. A pact? If its a pact you need, look elsewhere.
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#117609 - 12/03/18 04:46 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda


If you managed to read Mein Kampf, kudos to you. I read only bits and pieces. This shit is unreadable. The guy was crazy, and not at all in the positive sense.


Really? I thought it was a very good read. I know what you mean though, it's worded strange, but that could Also be down to the translation.

Yeah ok, the guy was a nut, but he knew how to attract the masses.

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#117610 - 12/03/18 09:32 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: Rob Taylor]
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Yes, Hitler knew how to "attract the masses" and he led them to their deaths.

It's one thing to wipe out your enemies quickly, with a minimum of losses on your side, but something else entirely to slog it out fighting unwinnable battles. Hitler never had much of a chance of winning WWII, but he was too fascinated by how he was reflected in the masses to be bothered with the cold hard realities of economics, logistics, history and science. That's what happens when an occultnik chooses kook beliefs over reality.
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#117611 - 12/03/18 10:53 AM Re: National Socialism [Re: Kori Houghton]
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 Originally Posted By: Kori Houghton
Yes, Hitler knew how to "attract the masses" and he led them to their deaths.

It's one thing to wipe out your enemies quickly, with a minimum of losses on your side, but something else entirely to slog it out fighting unwinnable battles. Hitler never had much of a chance of winning WWII, but he was too fascinated by how he was reflected in the masses to be bothered with the cold hard realities of economics, logistics, history and science. That's what happens when an occultnik chooses kook beliefs over reality.


That was because his philosophy didn't cause people to affirm their humanity in the face of tyranny. When people see that love and peace is possible without oppressing their true selves then that is true revolution. Hitler himself was no different then any other masculine aggressor that came before him because his "success" depended on mundane power and too much respect for the "hiddenness" ideal so that his ideology just became a mundane death trap with no real success. The true occultnik is someone with too much respect for order. Such a person is incapable of thinking for themselves and incapable of affecting real change because they would rather fuel their narcissism by embodying the machine then actually thinking for themselves.

That fatal flaw is what embodies Nazi stupidity right there.

The amusing irony is that such people go about making his identical mistakes while diluting themselves to be any better then him.

You're not different. You're just the same kind of crazy obtuseness in a different package banging your head against the same wall.


Edited by samowens84 (12/03/18 10:56 AM)

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#117613 - 12/03/18 12:10 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: Rob Taylor]
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Labor camps for the people that refuse to work? Why would they need to in a Socialist system?

You also agree with allowing two people decide your fate? Do you also believe that people are inherently good? You can't be serious!

You disagree with racism, but find classism just dandy then? What's the difference?

Who are the parasites and what makes them thus? What are crimes without laws?

Do you even understand Socialism brah?
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#117614 - 12/03/18 12:20 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84
That was because his philosophy didn't cause people to affirm their humanity in the face of tyranny. When people see that love and peace is possible without oppressing their true selves then that is true revolution.


Love and peace have never been possible on a national scale for any meaningful length of time. There are too many rough edges where differences in culture rub at the status quo until it seems that something must be done to end the friction. There is no "true self" just as there is no "false self"; we can all be different people, at different times, depending on the necessity of circumstances.


 Originally Posted By: samowens84
Hitler himself was no different then any other masculine aggressor


Wait...what? Hitler wasn't "masculine". He was the product of close inbreeding of two low-born people, who needed a Papal dispensation to marry. He could play the aggressor since he grew up being beaten by his abusive father, and hiding behind his mother's skirts (probably literally). Women in the Party found him attractive because of the gender dynamic among the common people, like the one Hitler grew up with.

 Originally Posted By: samowens84
that came before him because his "success" depended on mundane power and too much respect for the "hiddenness" ideal so that his ideology just became a mundane death trap with no real success. The true occultnik is someone with too much respect for order.


Order of an artificial, not an organic, kind. Occultniks are typically conservative in a sense much broader than political, and hunger for what James Webb called "rejected knowledge". Hitler, and several of his top level cronies, were obsessed the study of "rejected knowledge", sometimes to the exclusion of practical knowledge.

 Originally Posted By: samowens84
Such a person is incapable of thinking for themselves and incapable of affecting real change because they would rather fuel their narcissism by embodying the machine then actually thinking for themselves.

That fatal flaw is what embodies Nazi stupidity right there.

The amusing irony is that such people go about making his identical mistakes while diluting themselves to be any better then him.


How can you "dilute" yourself? Maybe you mean delude, as in self-delusion?


 Originally Posted By: samowens84
You're not different. You're just the same kind of crazy obtuseness in a different package banging your head against the same wall.


Perhaps you think that because, unlike you, I don't consider myself a professional victim.
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#117615 - 12/03/18 02:01 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: Kori Houghton]
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 Originally Posted By: Kori Houghton
[quote=samowens84]That was because his Perhaps you think that because, unlike you, I don't consider myself a professional victim.



Lol you sure about that? Or do you just embody the "pay victimhood forward" cliche to mask the fact that you feel powerless. Most of your other shit is gobbldygook that you're too smart to actually believe. And if you do then you truly are hopeless.

I don't consider myself a victim because I feel I've actually worked toward a solution and enjoy life and have seen results. If you don't then I feel sorry for you because then you truly are clinging to a victim identity because its all you have left.

To give up on a future for yourself and family while making yourself comfortable may feel like "not being" a victim to you. But I see it differently.


Edited by samowens84 (12/03/18 02:03 PM)

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#117617 - 12/03/18 03:49 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84
 Originally Posted By: Kori Houghton
[quote=samowens84]That was because his Perhaps you think that because, unlike you, I don't consider myself a professional victim.



Lol you sure about that? Or do you just embody the "pay victimhood forward" cliche to mask the fact that you feel powerless. Most of your other shit is gobbldygook that you're too smart to actually believe. And if you do then you truly are hopeless.

I don't consider myself a victim because I feel I've actually worked toward a solution and enjoy life and have seen results. If you don't then I feel sorry for you because then you truly are clinging to a victim identity because its all you have left.

To give up on a future for yourself and family while making yourself comfortable may feel like "not being" a victim to you. But I see it differently.


Actually, you don't know anything about this user so you're talking out of your ass right now. Nobody mentioned giving up on the future. Perhaps, you would do better if you spared yourself the wacky attempt at psychoanalysis and focused on the topic at hand.
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#117618 - 12/03/18 03:56 PM Re: National Socialism [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: Czereda
 Originally Posted By: samowens84
 Originally Posted By: Kori Houghton
[quote=samowens84]That was because his Perhaps you think that because, unlike you, I don't consider myself a professional victim.



Lol you sure about that? Or do you just embody the "pay victimhood forward" cliche to mask the fact that you feel powerless. Most of your other shit is gobbldygook that you're too smart to actually believe. And if you do then you truly are hopeless.

I don't consider myself a victim because I feel I've actually worked toward a solution and enjoy life and have seen results. If you don't then I feel sorry for you because then you truly are clinging to a victim identity because its all you have left.

To give up on a future for yourself and family while making yourself comfortable may feel like "not being" a victim to you. But I see it differently.


Actually, you don't know anything about this user so you're talking out of your ass right now. Nobody mentioned giving up on the future. Perhaps, you would do better if you spared yourself the wacky attempt at psychoanalysis and focused on the topic at hand.


I have my opinion. Why not pursue a dialogue with the original user instead of policing my shit?


Lol seems like my "psychoanalysis" carries some weight with you.

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