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#117684 - 12/08/18 01:21 PM Dreams
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Something I've always been interested in but never really bothered doing anything about it. I was in my local Tesco where I picked up an old book from the charity shelf about dreams. Not a massively brilliant book but one thing mentioned was about if you dream in colour or not. I was pretty sure I dreamt in colour but it went on to say that most assume they dream in colour when they actually dream in black and white (not sure how that theory was tested).
So I went to sleep and dreamt two very specific dreams (that I can remember). One was about my local motorbike mechanic who was excited about showing me his new burgundy paint job on his fuel tank, that he kept commenting on as did I, about how great it looked in burgundy.
The next dream, I was in a stationery room where I was amazed to find a small white box labelled as multi coloured staples. I opened the box and indeed there was a stick of staples in white, yellow and red.
The brain is a fantastic bit of kit. I went to sleep unsure of something and woke up completely satisfied that I dream in colour.

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#117687 - 12/08/18 05:54 PM Re: Dreams [Re: Rob Taylor]
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Well, there are claims that in the past when people had access mainly to black and white TV and the movies were also black and white, most people dreamt in black and white. There were some surveys conducted. How much truth is in that I'm not sure. I think that the intensity of our dreams depends on the degree of brain stimulation. The most vivid dreams I had when I was writing my MA thesis.
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#117688 - 12/08/18 08:34 PM Re: Dreams [Re: Czereda]
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I never thought of the black and white TV thing. I haven't watched TV in years. I have my most vivid dreams whilst I,m ill. I don't understand (apart from your black and white telly) why we would dream in black and white anyway? Surely, if our brain pictures something that we have at one point come across, why put the extra effort in to shading off and going for grey scale?
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#117690 - 12/09/18 09:03 AM Re: Dreams [Re: Rob Taylor]
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Honestly I don't know for sure. But I can tell you that I sometimes dream I'm watching a movie in which I'm taking part. Or I'm looking at myself from aside. Seriously. So I assume it can be true that the people who spent a considerable amount of time watching black and white movies had white and black dreams. However, as with any information found online, I would take it with a pinch of salt. Especially that we have no way of verifying what people report about their dreams. We can either believe them or not.
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#117691 - 12/09/18 10:34 AM Re: Dreams [Re: Czereda]
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I am old enough to remember teevee sets that had a tiny shoe box sized tube screen, only in black and white of course. My parents didn't purchase a color set until the mid 1970s, after I left home.

As far as I know, I've never dreamed in black and white. I can recall the "dream" I had while under anesthesia having my tonsils removed in 1961: it was a full color cartoon of flowers, trees, and forest animals along a railroad track watching a train go by.
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#117692 - 12/09/18 12:13 PM Re: Dreams [Re: Kori Houghton]
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I woke up during surgery on my wrist and started talking crap to one of the nurses about the army and tattoos, then they put me back out. They found it quite funny when I eventually came round again.

I remember as a kid, I was given a big brown wooden radio with a tiny black and white TV in the front, but this was the late 80s so it was already vintage.

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#117693 - 12/09/18 10:48 PM Re: Dreams [Re: Rob Taylor]
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It would be a treat for me to dream in b/w or colour, so I envy you. But it has always been in infrared or other exotic spot on the uv spectrum for me. Navigating the dreams involves shades of hot/cold or xray with audio coming out. The audio feels "physical" and the visuals feel auditory. Deriving lessons from them is tricky but fun.
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#117694 - 12/09/18 11:38 PM Re: Dreams [Re: aeon6]
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I believe that in terms of personal qualities or spiritual gifts we don't necessarily envy what we lack, we envy what we recognize in ourselves, but at a certain moment are momentarily unable to embody. So if a person "envies" a quality of someone else, in some cases I firmly believe they are simply witnessing their potential in someone else. So envy becomes a pivot point of hope and positive aspiration and intent. All it takes is the right moment to find it. So envy should feel like a crisp fresh morning breeze before a limitless optimistic day full of potential.
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#117695 - 12/09/18 11:51 PM Re: Dreams [Re: samowens84]
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Again this has nothing to do with dreams, you're OFF-topic as usual.
And speaking so much of envy, your reasons for confounding me are so obvious to all here. Now return to topic.

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#117696 - 12/10/18 08:52 AM Re: Dreams [Re: Rob Taylor]
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It could be down to the fact that the picture our eyes pick up is only in fuzzy shades of grey, incidentally it's upside down as well; our brains add all the gloriously sharp technicolour.

So rather than the colour being removed when we're asleep it could just be that the part of our brain that adds the colour is still asleep.

Remember in Nature there is no colour, there is no sound, there is no smell.

PS.........the list of stuff there is none of in Nature is endless but I'm sure you get the picture.


Edited by when7iseleven (12/10/18 08:52 AM)
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#117699 - 12/10/18 11:13 AM Re: Dreams [Re: when7iseleven]
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 Originally Posted By: when7iseleven
It could be down to the fact that the picture our eyes pick up is only in fuzzy shades of grey, incidentally it's upside down as well; our brains add all the gloriously sharp technicolour.

So rather than the colour being removed when we're asleep it could just be that the part of our brain that adds the colour is still asleep.

Remember in Nature there is no colour, there is no sound, there is no smell.

PS.........the list of stuff there is none of in Nature is endless but I'm sure you get the picture.


Interesting. Prove it.

Bet you won't.

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#117708 - 12/11/18 10:56 AM Re: Dreams [Re: samowens84]
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Sigh...........which bit would you like me to "prove".

Though obvioulsy that is misnomer; is anything provable??

Or what I could do is tell you how I have come to think about & you can make your own conclusion.

PS...........I don't bet.
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#117710 - 12/11/18 04:28 PM Re: Dreams [Re: when7iseleven]
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There are things that I am extremely connected too intuitively and just simply know from experience with because of my connection with my true self and relation to the universe.

If I'm confronted with someone saying something ain't what it is just tells me they're missing something that can't be transmitted to a person who denies something I am intimately familiar with.

We are at an impasse and I'm just making fun of it.


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#117722 - 12/12/18 04:58 AM Re: Dreams [Re: samowens84]
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The Universe, objective reality or whatever you want to call & your realtionship with it happens only in your brain. Your perception of it is the narrative your brain feeds you tht means you can navigate your way around whatever it is that's really out there.

But it is only an interpretation of all the information the brain receives from all the sensory organs of the body.

80% of evey conscious & subconscious thought in your head originated through your eyes; your brains interpretation of that information makes you believe that's pretty much how the Universe is.

90% of all information in bats head originated through its ears;I'm sure the bat will beleive it's brain narrative that the Universe really is how it sees it. With dogs, 65% is though it's nose..

The point I'm making, maybe badly, whatever it is we, the bat or the dog think we know, is only the tiny slice of information that our senses have evolved to receive & the story our brains make from it.

ALL informtion (with the exception of gravity) is passed from one body to another by means of light, by light I mean that in it's broadest terms, & our senses along with all other creatures can receive & process only a very small fraction of that spectrum. Anything ouside of that is merely a made up fantasy, made up in the brain.

PS...........connection with your true self?........if only that were true for any of us
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#117723 - 12/12/18 10:23 AM Re: Dreams [Re: when7iseleven]
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 Originally Posted By: when7iseleven
The Universe, objective reality or whatever you want to call & your realtionship with it happens only in your brain. Your perception of it is the narrative your brain feeds you tht means you can navigate your way around whatever it is that's really out there.

But it is only an interpretation of all the information the brain receives from all the sensory organs of the body.

80% of evey conscious & subconscious thought in your head originated through your eyes; your brains interpretation of that information makes you believe that's pretty much how the Universe is.

90% of all information in bats head originated through its ears;I'm sure the bat will beleive it's brain narrative that the Universe really is how it sees it. With dogs, 65% is though it's nose..

The point I'm making, maybe badly, whatever it is we, the bat or the dog think we know, is only the tiny slice of information that our senses have evolved to receive & the story our brains make from it.

ALL informtion (with the exception of gravity) is passed from one body to another by means of light, by light I mean that in it's broadest terms, & our senses along with all other creatures can receive & process only a very small fraction of that spectrum. Anything ouside of that is merely a made up fantasy, made up in the brain.

PS...........connection with your true self?........if only that were true for any of us


What interests me about this argument, that I've seen plenty before and no longer impresses me, is its pragmatic value for you personally.

I gave you an easy out to say fuck it and to agree to disagree. I made that plain in my previous response. Yet you seemed to insist on persisting this point with me. So I have an interesting question and you can choose not to answer it because it is a personal one.

Why do you need others to agree with you?


Edited by samowens84 (12/12/18 10:24 AM)

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#117724 - 12/12/18 10:42 AM Re: Dreams [Re: samowens84]
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You forgot to add “Hail Satan” to all your fluffy spirituality talk (which I happen to enjoy reading) for all the black clad poseurs to cling to.
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#117736 - 12/13/18 06:11 AM Re: Dreams [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84
What interests me about this argument, that I've seen plenty before and no longer impresses me, is its pragmatic value for you personally.

I gave you an easy out to say fuck it and to agree to disagree. I made that plain in my previous response. Yet you seemed to insist on persisting this point with me. So I have an interesting question and you can choose not to answer it because it is a personal one.

Why do you need others to agree with you?


Ah, the old Adams Approach....acknowledge, dismiss, reposition, question.......& nicely executed.

It's a popular method used by Jehovah's Witnesses & other door stepping zealots.

I have no need of others agreeing with me, I was under the impression that this site was primarily for an exchange of views but I suppose that's not possible when the exchange is with a "chosen one".

So let's leave it there; I'll continue questioning my place in whatever the Universe is whilst you continue in your self deluded I know myself post-breakdown rapture.

Obvioulsy a purely rhetorical question but do you really believe that the Universe is how you see it? If so do you understand the implications of that belief?
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#117737 - 12/13/18 06:18 AM Re: Dreams [Re: Dark Light 444]
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Glad to see you use the proper spelling, I hate it when people miss the YOU & spell it poser.
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