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#118376 - 02/03/19 02:48 PM Feelings on other religions than Christianity ?
Eternal Darkness Offline
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. . ?

. . now,most Satanists are (or at least are said )to not be fond of Christianity . .

How do you view other religions than christianity ?

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Judaism ,Islam, Hinduism ,Buddhism ,for example . .? ( the "world" religions )

. . or Bahai ?

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Judaism . . it is supposed to be for jews only ( not really a religion which proselytizes . .) . .

Islam . .the prophet Muhammad said that "the whole globe is to be won for Islam" , which ,I admit ,is bugging . . Today many terrorists seem to make it their objective to push this through . . Just saying . .

Hinduism . . It used to be a religion of high spirituality in ancient times but I think it degenerated into a 'jungle religion' . . Today they worship elephants , apes etc . .

But they were never out pushing their religion on anyone else ( like for example Islam ) . . It is the pagan religion of India . .
Buddhism . . The ancient Asiatics were a very warlike tribe . . Buddism has , in a way ,had a pacifying effect on them . . They believe in reincarnation . . The central of Buddhism today is Tibet . .

Bahai . . it is a religion alledgedly made up by a Persian philosopher who wished to come up with a religion for 'all of humanity' . . Bahais celebrate the unity of all mankind and have their temples on different places worldwide . .

So . . how do you view religions other than Christianity ?

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#118377 - 02/03/19 03:09 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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As pretentious two dimensional self-involved justifications for horrible shit. But that isn't the religions themselves, that's mostly human nature. I focus on "Christianity" because that is the part of the world that me personally I can influence and am responsible for.

Islam doesn't matter to me. I feel this idea of "taking" the world is a two dimensional misinterpretation committed by a large majority of followers of Islam.

You don't need to rule others if you rule yourself. "Taking the world" doesn't require ruling others nor does it means others must lack, which is an infantile understanding of the limitless nature of the universe. Every people can have that wholeness and self rule.

Gaining the world isn't the zero sum game everyone thinks it should be.

That's the left over stupidity of 3-d morality that seemed to pollute all the abrahamic religions.

You go through the maze and gain personal freedom and salvation with a pure heart and loving mind.

That's what love is. But since the world has often been corrupted, love looks corrupted to a world that sometimes seems addicted to iniquity. Which isn't a necessity. It's an addiction to gratify a lack of self esteem.

My understanding also is that evil is a sickness, not an identity. A sickness that people can cure themselves of if they choose. It's either salvation in terms of Harmony or people can choose death by false superiority and iniquity.

The blunt truth.

And many conflate inequality with iniquity, which it isn't. Iniquity the attempt to hold others back from their salvation, and inequality, as sometimes expressed, is the temporary imbalance of the universe.

The freedom for everyone to grow and not be harmed or threatened is the way to spiritual Harmony in the universe.

As is, much of current obssessions with "inequality" is a pretentious counterfeit to the true path to spiritual Harmony and universal love.


Edited by samowens84 (02/03/19 03:12 PM)

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#118378 - 02/03/19 03:35 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: samowens84]
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So . . how do you view religions other than Christianity ?


About the same. Interchangeable guides to the galaxy for uncomfortable things.

There are some branches of schools of sanskrit words that are similar in certain ways to my personal approach, but if I am already doing it, it is irrelevant I know what its called.  

Here are my misgivings of religious things common the world over.

1. Faith - Do not semantic, this is the blind version. I am glad 99% of the world can be happy with that, but for me there is nothing of immediate value.

It's like the delusional coward that longs for companionship but won't do the things necessary to accomplish that. Instead, choosing to stay at home hoping his fantasy girl will be delivered when the time is right.  If only the dating scene was their imaginary world of internet characters. They are totally outgoing within their guild.

2. Perfection - Everybody wants to be refined and masters of their own whatever. This is the standard across Satanism.  The striving to be beyond the reach of mundane stimuli. A true superman of total self control and zen. Much of this is working on character faults... socially designated character faults, but also a lot of common sense character faults. The latter can be done without any doctrine.
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#118379 - 02/03/19 03:41 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Phoenician]
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Then look for someone else who isn't a delusional coward. Have fun.
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#118382 - 02/03/19 08:29 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: samowens84]
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#118384 - 02/03/19 09:00 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: CanisMachina42]
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My understanding also is that evil is a sickness, not an identity. A sickness that people can cure themselves of if they choose.;


Two Paths of Evil, moral/abstract, tangible/invariable.

Love and Evil have been around as long as human beings have walked the earth, and neither has ever been eradicated by the other. Your moral preaching here won't change it, that's for sure.

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#118385 - 02/03/19 09:18 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Tom Satanic]
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Pearls before swine. Look to the past to justify not having to evolve.

Sounds sad.

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#118389 - 02/04/19 01:15 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: samowens84]
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Thanks guys , for the responses so far . .

My personal feelings . .

Islam and Judaism - what I don't especially like is the way they treat their animals - kosher and halal slaughter (you probably know what that means . .) . .

Buddhism - it is a religion of 'eremites' . . They ONLY concentrate on 'Nirvana' . .Not my taste . .Apart from that I admit that I have a problem with most asiatic countries ( the countries where Buddhism is mostly distributed ) anyhow . .

Today they are close to leaving the West behind and that scares me TBH . .


Hinduism - gotta say , quite a 'primitive' religion . .Like I said , elephant-worshippers etc etc . . Even though it DID start out as an interesting religion . . The decline of India's society probably contributed to the decline of that religion also . .

Bahai - I do not think it works . . Humankind has had different religions all throughout time . . I do not think it works . .

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#118390 - 02/04/19 01:34 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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Define myopic.

Beyond the christian lensing it shouldn't make you comfortable. In fact, I believe your discomfort and fear the west isn't important to Indo-China is the best fucking thing for this planet. Laissez Faire really doesn't mean much to you folk, does it?

Really, it is amusing when a person uses the christian lexicon to categorize Buddhists and then describes The Vedas as primitive. Sure.

I liked your religious text better when it was called; The Avesta, The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Enuma Elish, etc etc.
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#118391 - 02/04/19 03:07 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Phoenician]
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 Originally Posted By: Phoenician
Define myopic.

Beyond the christian lensing it shouldn't make you comfortable. In fact, I believe your discomfort and fear the west isn't important to Indo-China is the best fucking thing for this planet. Laissez Faire really doesn't mean much to you folk, does it?

Really, it is amusing when a person uses the christian lexicon to categorize Buddhists and then describes The Vedas as primitive. Sure.

I liked your religious text better when it was called; The Avesta, The Epic of Gilgamesh, The Enuma Elish, etc etc.


I didn't "use the christian lexicon to describe buddhists" . . I just laid out the thing realistically . .

And : Concerning my discomfort concerning Asian countries leaving the West aside when it comes to progress , one might think of that what one wants . . No matter . .

And : I didn't describe the Hindu-Vedas as primitive , I merely pointed to the fact that Hinduism ( Indian paganism / the original religion of the Hindu people ) might have had its "high-phase" but that a decline began . .

"Holy cows" ? Well . .

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#118392 - 02/04/19 04:14 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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I didn't "use the christian lexicon to describe buddhists" . . I just laid out the thing realistically . .


Ummm...

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Buddhism - it is a religion of 'eremites' .


Yes, because that is the exactly the most common word to describe their solitary methods of attainment. It is a reference to a type of person mentioned only in Judeo-christian text. That it was the intial way to describe buddhists says enough.

Who the fuck says 'eremites' instead of 'hermits'?

And why is 'realistically' something from the bible again?

And No, you mocked Hinduism like a pompous ignorant christian.

Observe:

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Hinduism - gotta say , quite a 'primitive' religion . .Like I said , elephant-worshippers etc etc . . Even though it DID start out as an interesting religion . .


Any other tone to put that in, sun-worshipper?

GTFO.
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#118393 - 02/04/19 05:04 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Phoenician]
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@Phoenician

Should it so bug you that I used the same words christians would use for Buddhist meditation , DEEPLY sorry, lol . . .

I wasn't looking to bug anyone , lol ! !

And . . is it not the right of satanists to be critical of ANY religion ?

As for your trying to crucify ( OH , the irony . . lol ! ) me for expressing myself 'ignorantly' about Hindus , may I ask what MAY connect you with that religion if you are so bugged ?

And again : I was mainly talking about what Hinduism has become over the course of time . . .

On a side note : How would YOU describe a religion which sees cows as 'holy' etc . ( see my posts ) ?

Hmmmmm ?

P. S. that GTFO at the end you might have spared yourself

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#118394 - 02/04/19 06:12 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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No, you were just called out until christians call meditation 'eremites'. You have to be immersed in the nazarene to pull out that word.

Nothing personal, I just dont like an obvious christian with a Pentagram avatar and the name 'eternal darkness' trying to play Jesus Ninja.

So let's analyze why I am giving you shit.

You ask a question, and people respond.

Then you say the equivalent of: "Neat answers. I'm a christian that has never even opened a religious text not The King James Bible, and I just wanna say the world needs Jesus, because I associate the West with Christianity".

And I might be a buddhist.

In case you were wondering:

My 'buddhism' is often conflated with nihilism because it draws no innate distinction about my experience, good or evil. No purpose for existing. Just adversity. A player in a nondual world of shit happening and trying to do it the most authentically you can. If I am suffering too much my fighting just needs refining.
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#118396 - 02/04/19 07:06 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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JUDAISM: This is a tribal religion that -- like all religions of the historical era -- absorbed components from the beliefs of their geographical neighbors. No, they don't proselytize but some of their beliefs, taken out of tribal context, became a global justification for man's inhumanity to man in the form of Protestantism after Luther's Reformation. The American Domestic Terrorism of the 1990s (and forward) was based on a version of Judaism for non-Jews aka Identity Christianity.

ISLAM: Came into being in a region where religious ideas from the known world were exchanged and blended along side the Christianized and dying Roman Empire. The first believers rejected their tribal culture based on toughness (you have to be tough to survive in a desert environment), independence, and honor (tribal and personal) for a hodgepodge of Judaism, Christianity, and bits and pieces of IE warrior focused beliefs picked up from Silk Road traders. Only recently have archaeologists been permitted to explore Arabia for artifacts belonging to pre-Islamic cultures, which I believe will eventually have a significant impact on mainstream Islam -- although this may take centuries.

HINDUISM: This is an IE religion, but influenced only slightly over the centuries by ideas encountered along trade routes to the Eastern Mediterranean. Because India was literally at the edge of the Eurasian world, their version of Indo-European culture did in a way devolve with peculiar notions like their expanded "caste" system, perhaps as a method of preserving their culture under the burden of a massive (for the time) population. India has the world's largest population, poor infrastructure, a degraded environment, unemployment issues, and cultural conflicts with their neighbor nations. A powder keg.

BUDDHISM: This is the original proselytizing religion. When the Witnesses or Mormons ring your doorbell, you can thank the Buddha for that.

BAHAI: The Bahais have an undeserved reputation for being gentle SJWs, but that is far from the truth. The Bahais incorporated a bunch of "thou shalt nots" from the world's other religions to create one that attempts to resolve all conflicts by forcing asceticism and conformity. I am very familiar with the Bahai Faith from my college days, and I still have some of their sacred texts in translation. Oh, and they pretend not to proselytize but...they do.

I have no use for any of these religions.
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#118399 - 02/04/19 12:15 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Kori Houghton]
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@ Phoenician

I just CANNOT see why my using "certain expressions christians also use" would make me one . .

And . . if you're implying that I associate christianity with the West , yes , FOR A LONG time christianity was associated with the West . .no big secret . .


I case you're wondering about my personal world view , yes , I recognize christianity was long associated with the West but the world needs dissidents . .Plain and simple . .

And , tbh , please do not take this as personal , I'm not really interested in buddhism . .

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#118515 - 02/09/19 04:16 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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It's all nonsense. There is no scientific evidence for any kind of supernatural deity and the fact that the existence of such a deity is accepted by so many people as self-evident is a testament to how poorly most people think on a critical and rational level.

A quick reading of something like The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins will give you a sufficient education on the topic, showing that the proposal of a god or gods' existence is, in fact, a scientific hypothesis, and as such falls flat before it even manages to stand its wobbly legs. The idea of a god or gods is a complete joke, and if you believe in that sort of nonsense, you're a moron and you deserve to be duped out of whatever money the Joel Osteens and Jimmy Swaggarts of the world can get from you.

There is no god. There is no evidence for god. Religion is something people use to try and understand the world around them, despite the fact that religion will give you only a rudimentary, skewed perception of what the world is and who the people are that inhabit it.

If you're a Christian, Jew, Muslim or even a "theistic satanist," you're a fucking idiot. End of story.


Edited by TheOperator (02/09/19 04:18 PM)
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#118531 - 02/11/19 01:44 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: TheOperator]
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If you're a little bitch who comes on the forum, thinking that LaVey is the only Satanism, ready to defend his honor at all costs, even at the cost of your own mental faculties, then you are no better than any other religious morons you complain about like all the other LaVey worshipers. You're a basic fool who can't see their own hypocritical nonsense. Another useful idiot.

End of story.


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#118535 - 02/11/19 02:29 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Tom Satanic]
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I have no interesting in "defend[ing LaVey's] honor" in any way shape or form. The fuck are you talking about? Your post has nothing to do with anything in this thread or anything I said in my above post.

That you're still butthurt from our other exchange has nothing to do with this thread and it's silly for you to drag that bullshit over here. Respond to what I actually said with something relevant or the conversation's over.
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#118770 - 02/26/19 03:48 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: TheOperator]
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Personally I only regard myself as a Satanist, a Luciferian or an Atheist in regard to religions west of India, "western religions" Abrahamic religion, Judeo-Christian-Islamic religions, even Greek myths, like the non-Judeo-Christian story of Prometheus makes sense within the western paradigm.

Hinduism is more like a hundred different religions than one single religion. Hinduism and Buddhism range all the way from typical supernatural angel like deities and gods to very skeptical, Atheist subsets of philosophy. Zen Buddhism, the teachings of Bodhidharma and select readings from ancient Buddhism could be desribed as Atheist, so to could the Hindu school of Advaita Vedanta.

When I talk to East Asian people it's almost impossible for me to get across to them what Satanism or Luciferianism is, the idea that gods like Satan or Promethius are givers of knowledge, the idea that Adam and Eve ate from a tree of knowledge and that knowledge or wisdom could somehow take on an evil property is not something easily understood by people from the far-east.

It's like talking to a Hindu about God, they talk about God in all sorts of crazy ways that simply aren't acceptable if you are going to look at the world through the lens of the western, Abrahamic mindset of religion.

The idea that you can conquer the outside world through conquering your emotions, that you can be wise and enlightened and have the divine within you is a good thing in eastern culture, nobody is worried about you rebelling against the church.

We use terms like "left-hand path" but if you were to talk to a Buddhist about "the left-hand path" they'd probably think you are talking about asceticism as opposed to hedonistic materialism. That's what Buddha meant by "the middle path", taking the middle road between asceticism and hedonistic materialism in order to escape suffering within your own mind.

Hedonistic Materialism was also supposed to be "the good path" for the Buddha in the east, obey his parents and become a good king and enjoy the luxuries available to him.

 Originally Posted By: Eternal Darkness

How do you view other religions than christianity ?

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Judaism ,Islam, Hinduism ,Buddhism ,for example . .? ( the "world" religions )

. . or Bahai ?



I view many aspects of Hinduism and Buddhism in a positive light, talking to them about Satanism doesn't really make any sense, they live in a completely different cultural paradigm, even the Asians who convert to Christianity or Islam either don't really seem to get what's going on, or are just so gullible that they'll go along with and repeat anything.


Edited by owlzee (02/26/19 03:50 PM)

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#118950 - 03/19/19 05:22 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: owlzee]
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At first view, some religions seem to "function" better than others.
Functioning in the sense of providing a framework and motivation for certain behavior.
However, a religion always evolves out of and is tailored to a culture before it begins to exert its own influence on that culture.
Some just need the very exact specifications for punishments etc. and others see it more loosely.
Every religion has developed and asserted itself, which is why I judge them all the same.
In former times practical, today mostly superfluous and obstructive.
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#118981 - 03/25/19 09:35 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: SagittariusA]
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My feelings about all religions are practically the same. They have the same origin, man, and address to the same subject, man. Diversity of humans is responsible for the diversity of religions. Yet , the number of religions is exponentially inversely proportional to the number of people. Religion functions as an attractant center that eliminates differences among people. A mass of people leads to the creation of a cluster of different individuals under a common belief system.
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#119345 - 06/06/19 09:47 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: fiendish]
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For me... I suppose it matters what you mean by ‘Religion’. Surely not all belief systems are as detrimental as Christianity and Abrahamic Religions are and have been to free thought and most importantly to ‘slave state policy and politics’. I actually hate that all Religions are lumped into one where there are clearly HUGE differences. People evolved around spirituality in different forms.. it helped them appreciate various facets of life and find harmony within those things. Appreciating the sun for it’s much needed energy and the Earth for it’s support is integral to the human experience. Otherwise you walk around unappreciative of what you have. Elsewise if you’re locked up in a prison without sunlight you will surely appreciate the Sun (and the vitamin-D) and the Earth until humans destroy it via pollution. I can appreciate spiritual traditions that venerate the things that are essential to life and I take issue with the whole ‘fuck it nothing matters because everything is machinery’ view that some hold onto like a religion. Not everything is a left brain operation ask any artist and if you say ‘fuck art’ then I insist that you’re living in a dull very uninteresting world that you sum up as 1+1. Some Religions enslaved people and others have sought to liberate people.
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#119527 - 06/30/19 07:32 AM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Eternal Darkness]
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The only non-Abrahamic religion I really know anything much about is Buddhism. It does seem much more reasonable than Christianity and Islam to be honest, and I do like the focus on elevating unnecessary self created suffering. It goes a little bit too far in stating that all human life is suffering and must be ultimately escaped from over several reincarnations into some kind of baffling mystical state of non-being. With Satanism/paganism life is essentially good, we are good and we're happy where we are, we're not escaping anywhere.

Also if you're reincarnated as say a slug or whatever else at all I don't see how you're meant get back onto the track of mystical self annihilation, you're a bit stuck.

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#119535 - 06/30/19 07:18 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Dark One]
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To me , Buddhism is the knowledge of everything, which is the same due to inadequacy. Further more, I'd hate it being reincarnated as a slug. There's still a game of hope, being reincarnated as a king, the president, something alike. In a way, all religions play with the minds, it has more to do about how willing you are to play their game.
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#119538 - 06/30/19 10:46 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: Dark One]
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Funny how cats must go the same round of life 9 times over before moving on, according to that myth. But I'm confident in "upward mobility" if there is incarnating to be done. It would reflect the tendencies of evolution in general unless you consider entropy. To be advanced in one blink and then wake up as a fly seeing hexagons seems punitive almost.
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#119985 - 08/28/19 07:30 PM Re: Feelings on other religions than Christianity ? [Re: aeon6]
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The religion I do respect is Buddhism. It is not just a religion, but a way of life. They teach you are responsible/accountable for your own feelings, you are responsible for the outcome(s) of your decision and accept it, do not blame others. You make your own path/destiny. If you are suffering, you are the root of what's going on. You also learn to be humble and not allow materialistic possessions to control your life. It teaches you to live life simply/humbly without being a slave to the system/government/corporations. This is MY opinion of Buddhism. Some may have a different view. I could never be a Buddhist bc I HATE insects; especially ants and flies.
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