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#11880 - 09/26/08 02:12 PM I think I finally decided my political affiliation
coelentrate Offline
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As a kid I was a straight party line republican. Because my stepgrandfather told me to, and he also told me to do whatever adults say.

As an adolescent I reinforced my conservativism because I heard rush limbaugh and thought that his jokes on president Clinton were funny.

In college, fellow students and professors tried to brainwash me into liberalism. Some were democrats and some socialists. I wasn't swayed into liberalism, but they did convince me that republican conservatism is also bullshit.

I read on other stuff, and decided I was an anarchist because I didn't like any government system. so I read on anarchy. Emma Goldman and stuff like that. Anarchists (not all, like Mr. Fist isn't) are just socialists. They even admit it.

I realized I just don't think anyone has wisdom enough, or enough knowledge of my personal circustances to tell me what to do. And I always thought that no matter what laws are in place, people will just do whatever the fuck they want anyway. What percentage of the US population is in prison? A pretty alarming number. And who here has never commited a crime? It's almost impossible not to, almost like every christian sins.

I decided I'll do my own thing, I'll avoid stuff that will get nme in serious trouble with the law, but this stuff would get me in serious trouble without laws.

The political battles out there? As hard as I tried to, I can't bring my self to give a damn.

My political affiliation is now that of the devoutly apathetic person. My vote is the non-vote. I think in the US, this is in the majority. Why don't most people vote? because they'd rather be at their boring job, or they're going out for ice cream, because those things are more important than voting? God damned right they are. If voting was so important, why don't people do it? people do all the other important, even unpleasant stuff. though the majority votes for no president, we never win due to political opression. Our vote doesn't count so they go with the number 2 candidate.

It doesn't make a damn bit of difference to me whether obama or mccain wins, I'll live my life and adapt if there's problems, which either president will give me one way or another.

The only time I considered voting is when Pat Bucchannan ran for president. I hate that cocksucker enough to act to keep him out. But in the end, I knew he didn't have a chance.




Edited by coelentrate (09/26/08 02:24 PM)

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#11883 - 09/26/08 05:07 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: coelentrate]
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Emma Goldman and her kind are communists - not anarchists. They fly the black flag only because the status quo is predominantly capitalist. You never find these types of 'anarchists' protesting communist/socialist institutions.

If you are truly interested in real anarchy - the absence of govt - check out the writings of Lysander Spooner:

http://www.lysanderspooner.org/

You see, Emma Goldman and her kind would be perfectly happy to live in a world where govt forced you to 'share' your prosperity. Spooner argues against both govt and corporations as corrupt, immoral, and unnecessary middle-men meddling in the free trade of goods and services between individuals.

The problem with all of today's predominant political thinking is that it tends to draw upon the past. Politicians spend the people's time and money either trying to correct the injustices of the past or acting reactionarilly to the present. No one is interested in comprehensive solutions or building anything for the future. Nearly every law is an object lesson in the Law of Unintended Consequences.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequence

The Founding Fathers well understood human nature and man's tendency to abuse power to his own ends. They created a constitution and Bill of Rights with an eye to future.

Today, Extropy is the only current movement that seeks to move man beyond this current reactionary state.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extropy

http://www.extropy.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

Govts of all types, will ultimately seek to force people to act against their own self-interests. The same can be said of corporations. At many levels it may be in one's own enlightened self interest to associate with one of these entities but all involvement must be voluntary and revocable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlightened_self-interest

Currently, the Libertarian Party is the only political party that promotes things that I believe in as a part of their platform. They are the only political party that actually want to increase personal freedom. Give them a look:

http://www.lp.org/

As an aside, you will notice that I linked quite a few Wiki entries. This is not to say the Wiki is a definitive source, but these entries are good enough that they do properly express the idea that I am trying to get across.
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#11899 - 09/27/08 07:34 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: coelentrate]
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Well if you are in Scotland, then the American vote wouldn't mean shit to you?

Or is Scotland some US state I've never heard of? I'm confused.

I'm really not trying to be a smart arse.

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#11901 - 09/27/08 08:13 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Coelentrate lives in Scotland. He holds a US passport. He can still vote in the US by applying for an absentee ballot.
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#11910 - 09/27/08 03:42 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Fist]
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Wow, is coelentrate from the US?
Didn't know that..
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#11915 - 09/27/08 07:00 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Dimitri]
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I'm an American citizen in Scotland for a unique job and a change in scenery. I was born a bible reading, gun toting Texan.

Fist:
I admit I don't know much about the various anarchist movements, even Goldman's. I didn't have to read much of her stuff before I got discouraged. I'm still interested in anarchy in general, out of curiosity for now. I'll give the stuff you mentioned a read.

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#11920 - 09/27/08 08:13 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: coelentrate]
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The problem with our current goverment lies with it's inability to grow and adapt.

Our Constitution was constructed as an adaptive set of guidelines. But technology and political situations have changed so much over time.

Sometimes is seems as if our laws and guidelines can be interperted and manipulated to mean whatever you want it to mean.

There is also the lack of other mainstream political parties. I don't agree with Libertarians, but I would love to see a third part, like themselves, on the ticket. By just having only two parties, you only hear two sides to an arguement. I have always been under the impression that an arguement leads to a solution, not a winner and loser. But this is we mainstream America thinks.
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#11951 - 09/28/08 01:21 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Aleph]
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 Originally Posted By: Aleph
I would love to see a third part, like themselves, on the ticket. By just having only two parties, you only hear two sides to an arguement


Scotland has three powerful parties in the same league and it's approaching four. We have Labour, Conservative, and Scottish National, with Liberal Democrats moving up fast.

this situation has changed nothing from when it was a two party system. The people tell me they haven't personally noticed any change in their lives or administrations when the scottish national party was born and took the majority. The only practical difference anyone really notices is that there will be another vote for national independence in 2010.

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#11977 - 09/29/08 01:16 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: coelentrate]
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Well, there goes my theory.

The hell with it, maybe we just need some kind of revolution to act like an enima.

(My apologies to Homeland Security)
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#12226 - 10/05/08 09:16 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Fist]
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Didn't knew you were an anarchist Fist.

That's also my potitical position. I already mentionned it in the converstation we had with Lux (recently closed thread).

But you seem to have dig deeper than me in this subject. I keep your post as reference for further reading on the subject.

Also, to me, anarchism is the political position whih best fits Satanism. My personal view however...

Cheers,

Fabiano

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#12548 - 10/12/08 02:08 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Fabiano]
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Countries and Religions are the same = fictional entities kept alive by faith and coercion. The difference is that the state holds real tangible power while the churchs power is more subliminal.

I really don't understand how a Satanist could support any sort of State.

But then again, a stateless society is a completely alien concept to most people.

Personally I stand as adversary not just to religions but to all forms of counterproductive herd culture. Democracy is right at the top.
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#12549 - 10/12/08 03:24 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Here's my view on the elections, and please tell me if i'm being too shallow on this. Like has been said before, if voting made a difference it would be illegal, and I think the Bush election has shown this to be true. It is nothing more that a popularity contest. They blow smoke up our asses telling us what they think we want to hear. It is not a run for the ruler of the free world but a vote for prom king. All hail the popular guy with a lot of money his dad gave him! What I hate is that they call non-voters like myself undecided. I am not undecided! I have decided that I don't want to vote for either jackoff running for office. Give me someone worth voting for and that one will surely recieve my vote.
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#12556 - 10/12/08 12:44 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
a stateless society is a completely alien concept to most people.


I've seen something pretty close to a stateless society out in the wilderness. There's villages with one cop who really doesn't give a shit. Everyone knows what you do, and will treat you accordingly; yet everyone's laid back and are fine with you as long as you aren't truly destructive. Maybe they'll have a crazy christian who gets on everyones' case, but people just don't tell them anything that's going on. It works beautifully.

I haven't seen this any place with more than about 2000 people. Bigger places than that attract more government to enforce stupid rules, and maybe a harder criminal element.

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#12761 - 10/16/08 05:24 PM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: coelentrate]
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Theoretically I think a meritocracy would best fit Satanism. It should be the system most aligned with it but I surely doubt it ever to be an option.

I don't really believe in a stateless society, human beings need control, without it things go to hell. Government and law is nothing but applied damage control.

D.

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#12779 - 10/17/08 07:40 AM Re: I think I finally decided my political affiliation [Re: Diavolo]
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Well it makes sense. Children need routine and disapline to be happy and healthy, I guess to an extent that doesn't change much and a lot of adults need routine and structure to be happy and cope.

As for meritocracy, I'm a bit synical that it would actually ever happen. That's what the USA is supposed to have now isn't it? I realise of course that it isn't, just pointing that out.

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