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#5394 - 03/12/08 03:53 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: TheMask]
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At least we can identify certain things with the 80's and 90's like certain clothing and musical trends, etc (Whether good or bad). To me, I just can't attach anything to the millenium as of yet. What does the millenium have so far? When talking about the millenium, we'd probably talk about the crappy shows that became guilty pleasures like "Flavor of Love" and "American Idol". Or the rise of the reality shows and the death of the music video on MTV. Maybe the Saw movies.

You didn't like the 80's because you were still a toddler! Did your parents dress you in acid wash jeans and make you watch "Knight Rider"? "Growing Up 80's" is for us old farts, my friend! I did like the 90's too but the 80's was just great, it was a unique age.
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#5401 - 03/12/08 04:53 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Asmedious]
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The punk rock was getting good thanks to CBGB's. Misfits of course represeanted the '80s perfect, anarchy and social deline. What a valliant effort the counter culture had going too bad most turned into cooporate guppies in the '90s. But I have to say the one thing that stuck with me was the death of Columbian Cocaine Drug king Pablo Escabar, that proved that no one is untouchable.
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#5406 - 03/12/08 06:37 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Sinistar]
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 Originally Posted By: Sinistar
At least we can identify certain things with the 80's and 90's like certain clothing and musical trends, etc (Whether good or bad). To me, I just can't attach anything to the millenium as of yet. What does the millenium have so far? When talking about the millenium, we'd probably talk about the crappy shows that became guilty pleasures like "Flavor of Love" and "American Idol". Or the rise of the reality shows and the death of the music video on MTV. Maybe the Saw movies.

You didn't like the 80's because you were still a toddler! Did your parents dress you in acid wash jeans and make you watch "Knight Rider"? "Growing Up 80's" is for us old farts, my friend! I did like the 90's too but the 80's was just great, it was a unique age.


Youre right, there isnt much to attach to this millenium. At least not anything thats good. There arent any good shows anymore, the games are just getting obsessed with graphics and not as good as they used to be. You can really just relate it to those things i mentioned with the 90s that were good going bad. This is the age of commercialism and corruption.

Nope, but they made me go to school with a pink/black jumper with two polar bears kissing each other on once. At the time i was embarrased but looking back maybe i would like that shirt now. \:\(

Perhaps the 80s is one of those things where you had to actually be there to appriciate it. But the things that i associate with the 80s arent things i care for much.
From what ive read the late 80s seem to be the golden age of industrial rock which is good. But other then that - Glamrock, flashy clothes, no internet, so on. I dont really associate the 80s with anything to my taste.

I mean, with the 90s even some of the mainstream stuff was good.


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#5408 - 03/12/08 06:59 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: TheMask]
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Although I was only born in '85, I still grew up with a lot of 80's cartoons, such as Transformers, Thundercats, He-Man, Trap Door and TMNT. Some of the newer renditions (TMNT in particular) sucked ass.

The original TMNT movies..... *sits back and reminisces*

And I know it's so cheesy, but The Goonies is still a classic in my eyes. Damn, that truffle shuffle was stupid as hell, but funny all the same...
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#5723 - 03/15/08 11:32 AM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: DistroyA]
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Mask,

Don't take this the wrong way, but you are pretty much a nerd.

The www as we have come to know it did not exist. In the mid-80's we had BBS' that people would log into by trading obscure phone numbers and logging in on 9600 baud modems - beeeeep, click, click, bong, bong, beeeeeeep. It was sort of special too because some of these sites had some really esoteric content. It was like discovering something really underground.

The music was totally different. Yes, you had all of the nasty commercial glam rock crap that a lot of people associate with the 80's. However, if you went to see a real show you didn't find out about it on the internet and buy tickets online at Ticketron.

The promotion back then consisted of a crappy Xerox copy of a crappy Xerox copy that somebody made a local print shop. This was before Kinkos. You would find these fliers on telephone poles and street lights. Some of them are sort of collectible today. You went to the show at the date and time on the flier and paid the cover at the door. Nobody searched you for weapons at the door. It was a different scene. No corporations - all DIY.

Before, during or after a show maybe you got high, maybe you got laid, maybe you got into a fight. Maybe you went to an after party and did more of the same. Really, ANYTHING could happen.

Everything now is so controlled and so corporate. Kids 'discover' the music that the music industry wants to promote. They buy their tickets online and have their parents drive them to the corporate venue to see the 'show.' They are searched for weapons, drugs, food, drinks, and recording devices. They go in wearing their corporate provided costume that they bought at the mall. They play anarchy for an hour then have their parents drive them back to their suburban cul-de-sac. Lame.

All of the crap you see at Hot Topic and other 'urban wear' stores all use to be DIY. I made more than a few of my own shirts and jackets using a card stock stencil and Krylon spray paint. Now, the only thing you need to be 'down' is a line of credit.

As for "Romper Stomper" well, google around for The Spirit of 69. This how it was. Fred Perry shirts, Ox Blood Dr. Martin's, thin bracers, cuffed jeans, really short hair. Google 'fag bashing Washington DC 80's.' Right, wrong or indifferent, this is how it was.

And speaking of the 80's, how about Boyd Rice?
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#5724 - 03/15/08 11:42 AM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Fist]
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Aw, shit. And while googling some other stuff about the DC scene in the 80's, I ran into this gem from the Urban Dictionary:

Emo 359 up, 227 down

(Noun, Adjective) - A word of many uses, emo generally describes:
A) A genre of music
B) Style of fasion
C) Lifestyle/subculture

(NOTE - The following may be just slightly biased)

Emo music (short for Emocore or Emotional Hardcore) is a derivitive of the mid 80's hardcore scene. Born in Washington D.C., early emo was a mix of hardcore punk with both emotional lyrics and performances, dominated by bands such as "Rites Of Spring" and "Embrace". By the late 90's, most original emo bands had disbanded or changed direction. From 2000 onwards, many bands have unwillingly or unrightfully been labled as emo, such as "Dashboard Confessional" and "Taking Back Sunday". Many "classic" emo fans and outsiders view modern emo music as warterd-down punk rock.

Emo fasion or "the emo look" has a number of simple characteristics. For males, hair should be black (although dark red/brown is acceptable), greassy, have a long fringe and a bang covering one eye. For females, although dark hair is prefered, any colour is acceptable. While hair may be cleaner, it must still cover a large portion of the face. Black shirts and jackets are worn, although on rare occasions an emo may wear a grey or white hoodie. Jeans are the clothing of choice for the emo, although for males anything out of their sisters closet is fine. Footware is typically any sort of skating shoe. To complete the look, apply excessive amounts of eyeshadow (males and females), put on a pair of black horned glasses and start listening to your eyepod.

Emo culture, dominated by middle to upper class suburban white teenagers, is characterised by weak music, self loathing and melodrama. After listening to some emo music (generally, but not always shite), emo-boy will log onto myspace to talk to his emo friends. After blogging about how shit life is, how he fucking hates his parents, and how the whole world hates him, he'll have a look at emo-girls myspace page. A quick look at the 17,000 photos she's uploaded (either of her looking into the distance, her looking up at the camera in a confused and drugfucked way or her at an emo gathering), emo-boy and emo-girl will chat to each other. The conversation quickly turns to how they are both alone and nobody understands them. Emo-boy has had enough of myspace (for a few minutes at least) and decides he is depressed. He writes a "deep and meaningfull" poem, before deciding to end it all. A quick slash of the wrists and it's time to sit in the dark and wait for the end to come. Unfortunately, he only drove the razor 2 milimetres into his skin, so there's a pretty good chance he'll be back at school next week, trying (not very hard) to hide his fresh scars and emotions.

......................................................

Christ on a crutch, how could I forget this crap!? I remember when Minor Threat became Fugayzi. I was in the Army and came home on leave only to find this sad state of affairs. All the same, it does speak to the influence of the DC hardcore scene. Maybe Rick would care to chime in on this?
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#5741 - 03/15/08 08:03 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Fist]
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 Quote:
The promotion back then consisted of a crappy Xerox copy of a crappy Xerox copy that somebody made a local print shop. This was before Kinkos. You would find these fliers on telephone poles and street lights. Some of them are sort of collectible today. You went to the show at the date and time on the flier and paid the cover at the door. Nobody searched you for weapons at the door. It was a different scene. No corporations - all DIY.


I still have some of those original fliers buried somewhere in my house. I have tons from DOA. One of my fave bands back then. I still have letters we exchanged. I asked them to play my 18th birthday, but alas they were on tour in Germany during that time. But they did send me some nice swag.

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Kids 'discover' the music that the music industry wants to promote. They buy their tickets online and have their parents drive them to the corporate venue to see the 'show.' They are searched for weapons, drugs, food, drinks, and recording devices. They go in wearing their corporate provided costume that they bought at the mall. They play anarchy for an hour then have their parents drive them back to their suburban cul-de-sac. Lame.


While stationed in the army back in the 80's in Hampton, VA, my best friend and I caught wind of an Exploited show going down in Virginia Beach. We begged a ride from some army chick. We got to the venue, walked across the street and bought a 12 pack of Heineken. Snuck back into the woods to comsume said beer. Come show time, we found out the fire marshall had closed the show. No concert, no refund, thank you for coming. We decided to walk back. Mind you, it is about a half hour drive from Hampton to Virginia Beach. So maybe a 25 mile walk. Even though we were in the army at the time, we still were able to dress the part. We had on spiked leather, bandanas, non issued boots with red laces, leather jackets. Two drunk punks set out on a walk back to base going through some high crime areas, late at night. We actually made it as far as the Hampton Roads bay bridge. For those that don't know, Hampton is connected to the rest of Virginia via an underwater tunnel. No pedestrians are permitted in the tunnel. The channel would be a bitch to swim, and probably too dangerous. So we could see our destination, just had no way to get there. So we decided to hitch hike. Yeah, we were about as likely to get a ride as a guy holding a bloody chainsaw. We had a cop pull over, so we jumped the fence and ran into the woods to hide. Eventually a van pulled over. We piled in. Turns out the driver was very creepy. I swear it was Jeffery Dahmer driving that van. We were very grateful dude pulled over to give us a ride given our appearance, but I didn't want to die for it. Once we hit the gate for our base, we thanked him, and high tailed it out of his van and onto base. That was good times in the 80's.
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#5765 - 03/16/08 07:29 AM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Fist]
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mask, you are just speaking your open-mind.you are not a nerd just a bright student ok knowlege.Blessings to you ques in life.
To be more cautious,you sound like you need to be more poen=minded instead of slandering somebody who i acctually respect for wanting to gain knowlege and shres their views openly.SOUNDS TO ME you are very low on self=steem,calling him a nerd how could he not take that to heart.How-bout i call you a fatass,but dont take it to heart.......................

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#5770 - 03/16/08 09:37 AM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Did I strike a cord Isaak? That nerd moniker stikes you to the core doesn't it?

If your whole life is measured by online connectivity then maybe you really do have a problem.

Think about it.....
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#5778 - 03/16/08 02:53 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Fist]
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Why would that have to be the case? Someone has a social preference different then yours and you see it as a problem?

And thank you Isaak.


To be honest i view your statement as ignorant, Fist. Since you are suggesting that the term "Nerd" would be a bad thing. I cant possibly comprehend why that would be the case.
If this isnt the case then please, correct me.

But its kind of you to explain the spirit of the 80's to me.
The way you describe it, it all sounds very underground and so on. But alot of it simply sounds complicated and unknowing. I dont think that it may be my cup of tea.

The way you mentioned "kids" going to see their shows is how i go to shows. I dont make my parents drive me but i buy my tickets online and whatever. I dont see why this is even mentioned as a bad thing.
Just because things have gotten alot easier i dont see why there is a need to rag down on it since it isnt "underground".
There is also a good reason to why there is controlls at shows and you just mentioned them yourself.

"All of the crap you see at Hot Topic and other 'urban wear' stores all use to be DIY. I made more than a few of my own shirts and jackets using a card stock stencil and Krylon spray paint. Now, the only thing you need to be 'down' is a line of credit. "

The only thing you need to be "down"? Fashion and mainstream exists even in the underground. The popular people bought their clothes. The rebellious people made their own. Its all trends one way or another. If youre going to be truly original and hardcore underground then one should simply walk around with nothing but a thong on as some kind of statement.

And regarding that post of yours about "EMO", its definetly biased. I cant stand emo-bashing.

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#5779 - 03/16/08 02:54 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: TheMask]
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Oh, regarding Romper Stomper it is a great movie. Thats why i asked you how it defined the 80's. I didnt know that skinheads were much 80s as they were 60-70s. During the 90s over here we also had a huge wave of racism with skinheads. Kind of funny, seeing as how being a skinhead couldnt have had shit less to do with politics.
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#5783 - 03/16/08 07:13 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: TheMask]
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Satanism is about LIVING a vital existance. It is hard to live a vital existance from behind a keyboard. The web is a great way to network but it is all sort of worthless if you never meet people in real life. I will assume that you would like to get laid at some point.
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#5784 - 03/16/08 08:49 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Fist]
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Isnt it up to each and everyone to themselves decide how their existence is vital? From what i know there isnt any official definition of a vital existence. If there is and the official definition is yours then i dont care much for it.

Most people are ignorant so meeting people IRL is somewhat overrated. You seem to think that "nerds" spend their entire time 24/7 not meeting anybody but i think that isnt very correct.

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#5785 - 03/16/08 09:05 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: TheMask]
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I am pretty sure there is a standard dictionary definition of vital. I am pretty sure it is an adjective meaning 'lively or energetic' as used in this context.

I am also pretty sure that the concept of 'vital existence' is covered in TSB. Just what are you doing here anyway? The last thing we need are more people here trying to redefine Satanism.

Satanism is about doing things in the real world.
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#5788 - 03/16/08 09:37 PM Re: Growing up 80's [Re: Fist]
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One definition is "Necessary to the continuation of life" which pretty much sums it up. And constantly meeting people doesnt have to be "vital". It depends on what kind of person you are.
If you arent a peoples-person then my point speaks for itself.

The Satanic Bible isnt my kind of Satanism so that doesnt go for me. I havent read it, but i intend to someday.

I am not trying to redefine LaVeyan Satanism but im not going to follow laws written by some person that i feel are bullshit. Thats the reason i dont like Christianity in the first place.

Some book isnt going to tell me how to live my life rule by rule. It can inspire me in certain things but im not going to follow it by the word like you seem to do.


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