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#119095 - 04/21/19 03:25 PM Islam through new lens
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Take the following with a grain of salt. I know someone who works in the army and had multiple near death experiences, in that experience he was able to view Islam in a different light, it answers a lot of philosophical questions most people tend to have regarding Islam. Here's a link to the preview of his book:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mVQbSdc_sTcO19qe65cExYoQMQi0uenDqezbv20XZVo/mobilebasic

Your thoughts?
Note: this is not my work
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#119098 - 04/22/19 09:51 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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Give an example of a philosophical (or any other) problem solved by Islam. Choose the one you find most convincing.
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#119100 - 04/22/19 08:37 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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#119101 - 04/23/19 01:17 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: CanisMachina42]
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#119106 - 04/23/19 11:08 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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@Dan This is not a philosophical issue of Islam itself but to me I find it an issue- the 5 daily prayers. I've always struggled with these daily prayers because I've always felt forced and not genuine every time I performed them. I think when repetition is asserted in PRAYERS(an activity which helps you to connect with God) it renders meaningless, it loses its spiritual element

Some Muslims have told me that I'm not able to pray because my reasonings are stemmed from laziness or the devil is inspiring his evil unto me, which I think is absolute bollocks. Others have told me they don't see these prayers as a duty because their imaan(faith) is always on an all time high and mine isn't, which I can agree to some extent but I have yet to find my answers.

I believe there isn't a specific structured way to pray, hence that's why Allah didn't reveal it in the Qur'an. If one does prefer a rigorous structure then they can refer to the hadiths
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#119107 - 04/23/19 11:11 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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@canis women drivers isn't an Islamic problem, it's a governmental one, and we all know Saudi Arabia's government is corrupted. And fyi women are now allowed to drive there so don't see your point
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#119108 - 04/23/19 11:17 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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Well what about under-age sex then?

Or when you want to get divorced just having to say "I am divorcing you" three times & wham............no leeching lawyers!
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#119109 - 04/23/19 11:40 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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Errr. Ok. What do your problems with praying have to do specifically with Islam?

You can pray to literally anything. The Christian god, Hindu gods, asatru, hell, we get scores of dumfucks in here every year that pray to good old father Satan or lucy-faerie.

Why pick Allah, and what problems would that solve?

Your post seems to indicate it added a problem to your life. I certainly don't worry about praying, aside from maybe the bigger picture context of how fucked up the world gets when too many people do it.
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#119110 - 04/23/19 12:19 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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If you don't know who you are, what you want, or what your values are and you just do shit cause youre told, then pretentiousness would be a problem, and so does sincerity.

This problem applies to any institutional religion.

What validation are you seeking exactly? Are you just trying to look like the proper muslim or actually find your place and do the right thing?

Sincerity requires some degree of selfishness, and that means finding a drive that comes from within you. Usually primal. In fact, your efforts here suggest something primal about bare bones fitting in and survival, which isn't Islamic or anything else. But perhaps is just about looking good to get the benefits from fitting in with a tribe. If you can own that, then you are 99% already there towards finding your real place.

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#119111 - 04/23/19 01:12 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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The five daily prayers are based on a concept borrowed from Judaism. The early Christians borrowed this idea, too, and were using it easily 3 centuries before The Prophet was even born. Of course the number of prayer times per day varies with religion, as well as the content of the prayers.

More recently, (creepless) Crowley imposed the practice on Thelemites, once again borrowing heavily from Hebrew.

In my view, it's all a crock.
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#119112 - 04/23/19 01:13 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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@dan I think it's important to note that I'm not a sheikh and I'm not here to tell you what Islam is and what it isn't. Im just an ordinary practicing Muslim who's offering a new angle to Islam. I don't see Islam as binary codes, either halal or haram. So if you don't pray you're a kafir. The issue of 5 daily prayers isn't unique to me, it's a very common critique towards Muslims. As I said I don't think the 5 daily prayers are necessary to be prayed in a structural format since its absence in the quran

Anyways this thread focuses on his book preview not on other issues. I'm willing to carry unrelated issue in pm


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#119113 - 04/23/19 01:19 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: when7iseleven]
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 Originally Posted By: when7iseleven
Well what about under-age sex then?

Or when you want to get divorced just having to say "I am divorcing you" three times & wham............no leeching lawyers!

What does underage sex has to do with islam?
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#119114 - 04/23/19 01:25 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: samowens84]
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 Originally Posted By: samowens84

Sincerity requires some degree of selfishness, and that means finding a drive that comes from within you. Usually primal. In fact, your efforts here suggest something primal about bare bones fitting in and survival, which isn't Islamic or anything else.

What makes you say what fits the criteria of being "islamic" and what isn't?
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#119115 - 04/23/19 02:56 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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I never did. Nor do I care. But the human element is in everything.

If what I say doesn't apply, then feel free to ignore.

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#119116 - 04/23/19 07:07 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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 Originally Posted By: Sabrina27
Take the following with a grain of salt. I know someone who works in the army and had multiple near death experiences, in that experience he was able to view Islam in a different light, it answers a lot of philosophical questions most people tend to have regarding Islam. Here's a link to the preview of his book:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mVQbSdc_sTcO19qe65cExYoQMQi0uenDqezbv20XZVo/mobilebasic

Your thoughts?
Note: this is not my work


You wrote this, correct?

I bolded the statement in question. For you to make such a statement, you must have at least one example in mind?

One philosophical question, answered by Islam.


Your prayer habits or feelings about Islamic religious traditions have nothing to do with anything, and frankly nobody cares.
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#119118 - 04/24/19 07:31 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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This would not be a defend of Islam, this will be elaboration.

The old ones knew and understood that the one verse of Quran, has seven visible meanings to the mundane and seven other meanings only those who are chosen by the creator or the original engineer could understand, and the most honorable human that could fathom as much humanly as possible of both sevens was what we know as prophet Muhammad, everything else is just a mere of studiousness effort to decode the meanings, so you see--there is nothing in Islam called 'One Truth', except one, and debate that as much as your breath could hold or do you.

Now, what is Islam anyway? lets back solve that a bit, ... in it's essence; Islam is a protocol agreed upon by those who choose to accept it that regulates human behavior as a connection between two parties, one self and the society, ... for the self there is a set of rules one would which hold him self accountable for in form of obedience to a higher form of authority, and the for the society is an expansion of the 10 commandments...sort of.

Now wither you believe in the existence of God/Allah/What ever you call it as an original engineer, and the rest of it, no one can deny that Islam can be used as an Instrument of self mastery.

It lacks nothing, and for me it would be the greatest stand out of the crowd utilizing the deep blending in!

Think of it in terms of 'Hiding in plain sight' if you wish.

There is so so much out there to be learned if only you left behind the original archetypal mistake and opposing the authority of those in power, and never outshine the master at all!
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#119119 - 04/24/19 01:05 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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To each their own.

Some have seen wisdom in toast, others in falling apples and even others by staring into the mirror.

It can be a catalyst like any other thing.
It bears no interest to me.
You are on your own.

So fuck-off.
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#119120 - 04/24/19 04:57 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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That is, frankly, horsehockey.


Ok so you can interpret every passage lots of ways. Pretty convenient right?

Self mastery? Yes, Islamic countries are usually first world paradises'. Right? People are lining up to live in them
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#119121 - 04/24/19 05:33 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
That is, frankly, horsehockey.


Ok so you can interpret every passage lots of ways. Pretty convenient right?

Self mastery? Yes, Islamic countries are usually first world paradises'. Right? People are lining up to live in them



Hola Dan

I once read a 56 page something a literature of yours, what was that? A brain ejaculation or a reflections?

I recall seeing here some one mention Dr Carl Yong books, so search that and from that point define self, attributes and traits, or at least google his archetypes, and after that re-read what is supposed "from all schools of thought" to be the guidance in Islam through the lens of Quran, you can look at what's supposed to be an 'honest delivery of word' about how the Prophet of Islam used to live, just pare in mind that it's only his interpretation of the Quran.

You see, there is your first Que!--Individuality!

The Unity only comes in one mode, one mindset, all Ibrahimic religions is all about 'There is only but one God'.

That God, could be yourself, and even the Quran was a pure holographic memory condensed in a very very beautiful way that have been planted in our DNA from the original creator 'note now I am speaking about the unconscious'

O'I got tired of writing and explaining--I think you're a grown man and can look up all that by your self, I was merely paying forward some bits and pieces of knowledge I came across.
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#119122 - 04/24/19 05:36 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
That is, frankly, horsehockey.


Ok so you can interpret every passage lots of ways. Pretty convenient right?

Self mastery? Yes, Islamic countries are usually first world paradises'. Right? People are lining up to live in them



Just a quick addition, now the Heaven and Hell concept is a great artifact for self mastery if you know how to use them wisely, don't blame me on those who used it to manipulate the mass's and enslave them.

I'd use the concept of reward and punishment as a physiological tool to get things done when ever there is a chance too, it's coded also in our DNA
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#119125 - 04/24/19 05:54 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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Ok so you need a daddy figure to threaten you with a stick or bait you with a carrot to master yourself.

I'm not sure that's yourself you are mastering.

Anyway, perhaps you can answer the question the op backed off of? Because frankly this is boring, and I don't care.
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#119126 - 04/24/19 06:27 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
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Anyway, perhaps you can answer the question the op backed off of? .....


And the question in simple terms is? what's my interpretation of Life and afterlife and how memories are formed and how we have souls _or_ we're going to what!?!

I grew out to skip the big prestigious fancy eye blinding shiny words, for the sake of _cut_to_the_chase_ones, so here is how it goes.

We're born, we live according to a certain pre-determined programming that can be altered later (nature vs nurture concept) and we die, its as simple as that.
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#119128 - 04/24/19 08:14 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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I believe we live in search for a daddy figure, but usually nature wins over nurture. So we eternally search for a carrot, but Bugs Dread has it and refuses to give us a share. So we die without a carrot, what a pity. Even though there is no carrot. Only Bugs said there is one. So, the real question would not be how to get the carrot, but whether there is a carrot or not. What's sad about reality is that, there is no carrot, only rumors that there is one. One truth about reality is that it is a lie. Not about what it is, but about what it is said to be. It's all about the carrot. You believe there is a carrot. And you try to get it. So, if what I am saying is right and there is really no carrot, you will never get it. And you die in search of a carrot that doesn't exist. And the carrot survives! The one that doesn't exist. How can that be?
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#119131 - 04/24/19 08:55 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: fiendish]
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Who wants a carrot, when you can have a steak, or cheesecake, or even broccoli! Broccoli with fucking cheese! That would be fucking awesome!

Someone is keeping a secret from you and you love it!

Just joking. But seriously, isn't it dinner time? Just eat and forget about world's mysteries you'll never solve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TawS7eTAN8


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#119133 - 04/25/19 04:59 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: samowens84]
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Use what ever the f*word you want use to motivate and energize yourself, the answer to the eternal question we'll have 'The_Why' could be anything you want it to be, but know this "No one really cares what's on your mind, until you act on it"

Now, if we debate that and I know this got already debated so many many times already, that if I am suicidal by design 'because I 've in my mind an idea of a perfectly conditioned place where I can get laid with 72 virgin pussy waiting for me in there, and I can't get it wet over here' and did interact with people accordingly, then that's fucked up and those idea's should be changed to something else ---> correct?

What if I told you that in 'Quran', I mention it quite often because its what I am most familiar with, there is a verse, the scholars themselves consider it in the form of orders from divinity, that one must keep to him self and let others be themselves even if they see them wrong and the ones that kept to them selves will not be harmed?

"O ye who believe! Guard your own souls: If ye follow (right) guidance, no hurt can come to you from those who stray. the goal of you all is to Allah: it is He that will show you the truth of all that ye do." --105

https://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=5&translator=2

Now frankly, I ask that to many many Muslims I come across, why don't you follow that? and the answer is always a societal one!

So you see, it's not the words nor the book, it's the fucking idea and how you deal with it.

I recall someone here mentioned food, I'm outta here to eat.
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#119135 - 04/25/19 11:12 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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Pretty much, just like most Esoterics. Imam Tawhidi tweeted today (paraphrased), that if one tries to convince you that suicide bombing gets you paradise that much faster. That person should go first.

I guess people have forgotten that Islam is decentralized. Even if Saudi makes the attempt to play Daddy.

Self in relation to world; doesn't really matter much what metric you quote. Take for instance all the trigger happy users on this forum. On any given day you can search their posting history to see quips and quotes shared not their own.

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#119137 - 04/25/19 11:55 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: SIN3]
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Every institutional religion, in my private research, is still institutional. In some of my conversations with those critical thinking is discouraged and one has to ask for permission about certain types of doctrine. No matter how "decentralized" anyone claims it to be, it has some natural human agreeable shit on the outside and try to groom for assimilation like the Borg on the inside. "Official" doctrines and how religions actually behave are always two distinct things. They'd validate you and validate you to make you feel all cozy until you'd hit a brick wall and say "whoah" we didn't say you could think for yourself!

Richard Wright during the civil rights era found the same thing about communism. He was a determined individual and his colleagues were like "communism already figured shit out so just stop your thinking."

If one has a strong mind that likes to think for itself, any collective agenda would eventually treat your humanity and independence like an enemy. Which is fine, as long as you have your head about you.

I suspect you already know this SIN, so why are you playing patzie for Islam?

Did you check your brain at the door, or is being a cheerleader for propaganda your new vocation?

On a separate note most of my personal wisdom had been gained by getting close to an institution to gain that bit of personal necessary insight and wisdom and then raising two fingers at the point where they ask for my soul. That being said, some who have claimed to care what I think can try to glean every insight they want from me, but until they are willing to transgress that line, they won't ever get past a certain point, because much of what I know comes from wisdom in preserving my mind and heart as an individual, and is action based wisdom that isn't about fucking with others, but about enhancing the self, which is where the only real power strength and wisdom can be found. In my personal path fucking with others was only a path as far as others tried to inhibit my path, which have always been an institutional issue, not anything else.


Cowards have use, but their fear won't let them progress past a certain point. That point is the distinction that is the difference between soul actualization, and consciousness extinction. If one does not transgress institutional blocks their consciousness will eventually devolve into likely extinction.


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#119138 - 04/25/19 12:42 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: samowens84]
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@Mosa I don't understand the big deal with those 7 "readings", anyone can understand all 14 readings as long as you understand quranic arabic. I assume you're having trouble with those "readings" because Arabic isn't one of your primary languages?

What leads to different interpretations of the Quran is the layers of understanding of the Arabic language. I'll give you a rough example, and it's not a quranic verse, a piece of the hadiths: إن من أعلام السَّاعَة و أشراطها أن تواصل الأطباق وتتقاطع الأرحام
So this hadiths is talking about the signs of the hour(day of judgement)
Its literal translation: One of the signs of the hour is that when satellite dishes would be communicating and family ties would be cut. People are impressed because the prophet predicted the invention of satellite dishes. However the word satellite dishes- تواصل الأطباق(tawasul atbaq) has 2layers of meanings. Tawasul literally means communication. Atbaq(plural because of the a) means concave plates/dishes. However when these 2 words are stringed together it means communicating with strangers. So here's how the hadiths would sound like if I took the other definition: one of the signs of hour is when strangers would be communicating and family ties would be cut. Now that doesn't sound like satellite dishes, does it? But when we consider its literal meaning of tawasul(communicating) atbaq(dishes), it would be translated as satellite dishes. The reason the Quran was written in a specific language(Arabic) because of its depth of meanings. If you lived 14hundred years back and was told that one of the signs of hour would be when satellite dishes would be communicating, there would be no way you'll understand the prophet because time back then was very primitive. Thus if you understood the hadiths as "strangers would be communicating" it'll be easier to grasp. Hence this indicates Quran is timeless and is applicable to all ages of time

There's stuff like this all over the Quran. But I don't have the time to type all that. Ex how the Ayat ul kursi(a portion of a surah ) is positioned in the Quran or like how the shortest surah(al ikhlas) cannot be poetically challenged. In order to prove the Quran was indeed from God to primitive people, it had to be linguistically divine but we don't require that now.
The Quran doesn't only give you spiritual satisfaction, doesn't only talk about societal issues but it talks about your personal problems ex family issues, psychological issues, these verses are usually in 2nd person and not 3rd so when you read them it's as if God is directly talking to you. Anyway I don't believe the depth of the Arabic language leads to radicalisation, it has more to do with the political agendas and the history of the caliphs. One of my cousin was radicalised and he wasn't radicalised by the Quran, he was radicalised online, it's usually young impressionable people who has no knowledge of islam and does so in a stage of confusion in their lives
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#119139 - 04/25/19 12:49 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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Watch this video for the reference to the hadiths: https://youtu.be/rCMgwwDkFxE
Go to 0:58
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#119140 - 04/25/19 12:57 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: samowens84]
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psst, a quick whisper to your ear; google,youtube this fella "Shaykh Hassan Farhan al Maliki (ENGLISH)"

Now that's a fella who sucked it all up the food chain of his country/people and ended up pretty much like an old scholar called "Abu Dhar al-Ghifari"

Again, if you ever watched this you would now that there is a very big f*cking difference between institutions and individuality...every single child has read and been warned and do gets the warning of having a sexual intercourse with either his same gender or the other ones tell he gets married...yet that warning slips out of conscious and the thing gets done for so many reasons, the most obvious one of them is the absence of the enforcing environment (A Mosque/A religious teaching, _or_ questioning about prayers, or how much is memorized of Quran--any thing that might serve as a trigger for what is right and what is wrong), but those in ISIS, they're supposed to be mentally the most focused ones on the idea of war against all that they hate or rebel against, ... the idea of sexuality according to the Arabic lore should be focused on their enemies, rape their women or degrade them in anyway, ... it's been done so many times and actually in every Army wither it's Arabic or not it seems to be a standard, but my point is ... those who're mentally enforcing their minds to think of they're doing is by the book and they're meant to die martyrs getting laid with each other, means that all what they have read is something, and all what they're programmed to do is something else!

And the most amazing part is this, in Quran people are asked to think for them selves!, not to let others do it for them!

Say, [O Muhammad], "Travel through the land and observe how He began creation. Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah, over all things, is competent."

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/translations/english/398.html?a=3360


Now, whom to blame?
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#119141 - 04/25/19 12:59 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Pretty much, just like most Esoterics. Imam Tawhidi tweeted today (paraphrased), that if one tries to convince you that suicide bombing gets you paradise that much faster. That person should go first.

Yub, exactly-- إن كُنت إمامى--فكن أمامى

I guess people have forgotten that Islam is decentralized. Even if Saudi makes the attempt to play Daddy.

Self in relation to world; doesn't really matter much what metric you quote. Take for instance all the trigger happy users on this forum. On any given day you can search their posting history to see quips and quotes shared not their own.

Tomato/Tomatoe

Great post MoSa \:\)


Thank you \:\)
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#119142 - 04/25/19 01:07 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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 Originally Posted By: MoSa
psst, a quick whisper to your ear; google,youtube this fella "Shaykh Hassan Farhan al Maliki (ENGLISH)"

Now that's a fella who sucked it all up the food chain of his country/people and ended up pretty much like an old scholar called "Abu Dhar al-Ghifari"

Again, if you ever watched this you would now that there is a very big f*cking difference between institutions and individuality...every single child has read and been warned and do gets the warning of having a sexual intercourse with either his same gender or the other ones tell he gets married...yet that warning slips out of conscious and the thing gets done for so many reasons, the most obvious one of them is the absence of the enforcing environment (A Mosque/A religious teaching, _or_ questioning about prayers, or how much is memorized of Quran--any thing that might serve as a trigger for what is right and what is wrong), but those in ISIS, they're supposed to be mentally the most focused ones on the idea of war against all that they hate or rebel against, ... the idea of sexuality according to the Arabic lore should be focused on their enemies, rape their women or degrade them in anyway, ... it's been done so many times and actually in every Army wither it's Arabic or not it seems to be a standard, but my point is ... those who're mentally enforcing their minds to think of they're doing is by the book and they're meant to die martyrs getting laid with each other, means that all what they have read is something, and all what they're programmed to do is something else!

And the most amazing part is this, in Quran people are asked to think for them selves!, not to let others do it for them!

Say, [O Muhammad], "Travel through the land and observe how He began creation. Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah, over all things, is competent."

http://quran.ksu.edu.sa/translations/english/398.html?a=3360


Now, whom to blame?


You need the Quran to tell you it's ok to think for yourself? If that's all the Quran has to offer, people can do that on their own.

This is what is known in sales as Agree/Ignore/Resume.

You're selling something, which seems akin to saying "Islam is the one institution that will let you think for yourself, so sign up today!"

No thank you.

This is the one simple thing I will say that puts Islam at a disadvantage. Feel free to disregard if you disagree.

The female priestess of any race is the conscience of that spirit. The masculine must seek Harmony with the feminine. One man in Islamic culture agreed that it was part of Islamic contracts to conquer "the world" or be claimed. But, my personal knowledge and wisdom suggests there is misdirection. Every race is meant to master themselves by reconciliation between the sexes that require only accountability and Harmony between them. Once this is done, that spirit is immune to being claimed by greater spirits or being dominated by other races.

The disadvantage is that with a patriarchal center spiritual self mastery has been twisted to mean hegemonic domination. My sense is that whether Middle Eastern culture survives will depend on whether the feminine takes responsibility to refocusing their energies away from hegemonic control directed by patriarchal forces and refocusing themselves towards self mastery.

I never said this plain truth as I perceive it because I lost faith in Middle Eastern culture because I felt they had become addicted to iniquity as a false ivory tower of spiritual security, and so my attitude has largely become let them eat cake if they feel they know everything.


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#119146 - 04/26/19 12:07 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: fiendish]
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 Originally Posted By: fiendish
So we eternally search for a carrot, but Bugs Dread has it and refuses to give us a share.
He is such a tease like that.

Heck, I'd take the stick. I ain't picky.
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#119147 - 04/26/19 04:15 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: XiaoGui17]
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And I'd give it to you, picky as I am.
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#119191 - 05/08/19 09:51 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: XiaoGui17]
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That would be a great surprise for the person who holds the stick and the carrot, when he finds out you're chasing the stick and not the carrot. The production of sticks will flourish, while carrots will face extinction. In the near future, there will be an excess of handlers of the stick, and "no more carrots" signs everywhere. Is that the future we want? Yes.
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#119199 - 05/10/19 11:16 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: fiendish]
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 Originally Posted By: fiendish
That would be a great surprise for the person who holds the stick and the carrot, when he finds out you're chasing the stick and not the carrot.
I said I'm up for both.

 Originally Posted By: fiendish
The production of sticks will flourish, while carrots will face extinction. In the near future, there will be an excess of handlers of the stick, and "no more carrots" signs everywhere.
Nah. Carrots are never in short supply. No matter how much demand for sticks there may be, though, most balk at giving a good sticking.

On another note...
 Originally Posted By: aeon6
Coveted carrots should be consumed also for sight, in every possible sense. Because propagating sticks and suggesting an agreeable future with them presents quite a circus ahead, even beyond the human zoo of today. So pet your friends and feed them caviar.
Wrong thread.


Edited by XiaoGui17 (05/10/19 11:19 AM)
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#119215 - 05/15/19 04:29 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: XiaoGui17]
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There is a huge culture of philosophy, maths and astronomy in Persian and Arab cultures, but those are not result of Islam.

Actually those are threaten by Islam which says only Quran is important, not science.

As Satanist I think there is a multiple time more point in those sciences than Islam which is against them.

Just my 50 cents..
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#119268 - 05/26/19 02:34 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Bella Donna]
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Let's consider Islam as another monotheistic religion. Quran or the bible, or if I am blasphemous for both, a common deceit. Whoever invented infinite and zero, there's just symbolism, apart from religions. What would be more accepted as more extroverted, in fact stands in as a symbol due to statistics, which are nevertheless a part of the same Satan.
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#119331 - 06/04/19 09:18 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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 Originally Posted By: Sabrina27
Im just an ordinary practicing Muslim...


1). What is your end goal in engaging Satanists?
2). Why are you a practicing Muslim?
3). Why do you identify with 'ordinary'?
4). What, in your practice, is comforting?
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#119336 - 06/05/19 11:02 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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 Originally Posted By: Sabrina27
.... As I said I don't think the 5 daily prayers are necessary to be prayed in a structural format since its absence in the quran ...


A Quranist?!, welcome aboard \:\)

If my assumption is correct, I'd say to you all--let the lad do his thing, he is on the right path, just give 'em sometime.
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#119349 - 06/07/19 09:01 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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@Fnord there isn't a goal that I'm trying to accomplish, I just enjoy exploring ideas and floating around. And by ordinary I meant I don't have profound knowledge in Islam(I'm not a scholar, an apologetic or anything of that sort)as I try my best to learn more about my religion when I have the time to
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#119350 - 06/07/19 09:06 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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@samosa I can label myself a lot of things, a quranist, Agnostic Muslim, sunni, but this only creates more division hence more conflict between groups so I try to avoid labels

I also don't understand why you're trying to make quranists sound scary, perhaps ex-Muslims are on the rise because they're told to take hadiths seriously when it is a product of someone else's interpretation of Islam. Qur'an is fluid, hadiths are not
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#119351 - 06/07/19 10:47 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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 Originally Posted By: Sabrina27
.........


Once your attention reaches a peaking point over this verse, you will reach enlightenment

"It was We Who created man, and We know what dark suggestions his soul makes to him: for We are nearer to him than (his) jugular vein."
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#119356 - 06/07/19 04:23 PM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: MoSa]
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I have already come into the realisation of that. It's distressing that many muslims fail to see that, however this generation of muslims are different and capable of bringing about a change
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#119524 - 06/30/19 05:42 AM Re: Islam through new lens [Re: Sabrina27]
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In regards to Mohammed himself all the autobiographical material we have about him was written around 200 years after he had died. There are also fragments of Quranic passages discovered that have been carbon dated from before 610 CE, before Mohammed was even ever born. At least with Christianity we know everything about Jesus was written by Christians 20-60 years after his death so it's a bit more consistent. I'm not saying Mohammed never existed there are contemporary mentions of him but there is some reasonable cause to doubt the claims of the religion he supposedly founded.
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