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#120118 - 09/07/19 05:42 PM Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT
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Edited by Zach_Black (09/07/19 05:44 PM)
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#120119 - 09/07/19 08:19 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Zach_Black]
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>The Satanic Temple

Lucien Greaves says half of Satanists are alphabet people because half of those in his "Satanic" friend circles are.

If publicly making out with someone of the same sex is your idea of transgression, boy howdy are you behind the curve. The "LGBT community" are the sacred cows of political correctness, by now. If loudly proclaiming how tolerant of the gays you are isn't toeing the line of the dominant narrative and value system, fuck if I know what is.

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#120120 - 09/07/19 09:51 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: XiaoGui17]
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The TST is still around? The MSM has pretty much lost interest in them.

The only groups that I know of that probably have around 50% alphabet soup people are antiques co-ops. Seriously, I used to be a dealer, and depending on who was working the floors on any given day the atmosphere could be something out of reality TV. More bitches than the doggie section of an animal shelter. Would keep me laughing all day.

The TST subculture must run on drama. So funny.
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#120121 - 09/08/19 01:31 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Kori Houghton]
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One could also argue more than half of EVERYONE is some varying degree of LGBT.

This is a non statement. It's an unnecessary inclusion of an extra label used like an ACLU pony.

There are Satanic ways to do LGBT though. A chick I knew did it to her repressed dyke evangelical mother.

* Calls Mom*

Hi, Mommy. I just wanted to tell you I had lesbian sex last night and it was the best sex I ever had. I cant wait to have so much more lesbian sex that i can call and tell you about...

And dragged it out as long as possible.

But that really doesn't have applicability in any political realm. I guess that is a line of separation not seen.

And The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster's open letter to The Kansas State School Board is a far superior challenge to church vs. state line blurring.
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#120122 - 09/08/19 04:37 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Zach_Black]
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Hard to remain relevant when shouting the equity nonsense.

So what?

Shit is the Atheist equivalent of JoS.
Needn't any attention at all.

Just a couple more years till the fad dies down and they are returned to further irrelevance.
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#120126 - 09/08/19 09:51 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Zach_Black]
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I’m for any organization that stands up for gays and gives a big middle finger to Christians who think gays should be treated like second-class citizens. Christians love to cherry-pick their Bible (Eat pork and shellfish? Sure, why not? They’re delicious! Work on Saturday? Hey, gotta pay the bills. Get divorced? Who doesn’t these days? Accept your lesbian niece? What, are you crazy? She’s an abomination to God!), and any group that calls them out on their hypocrisy is all right with me.
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#120127 - 09/08/19 10:36 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
Christians love to cherry-pick their Bible . . . and any group that calls them out on their hypocrisy is all right with me.
That's assuming they'd listen or comprehend long enough to notice. Going for gross-out and shock value (Look at me! I'm sucking man face!) is just going to piss them off such that they double down, not make them look harder in the mirror.

It's far easier to call them out on their hypocrisy by beating them at their own game. I was often praised for being such a "good Christian" (people tend to assume) when I was in the panhandle. Heck, I could tell I was making others self-conscious, such that they'd make an effort to be on their best behavior when in my presence because they could just feel me silently judging their serial monogamy, gossip, and meth-lovin' ways.

One bailiff said my style of dress was "very nice, very conservative"--such that it indicated to him I must be an evangelical type. Then the bailiff asked if I was Pentecostal, and I said no.
"But really religious?"
"No, not really."
"What church do you go to?"
"I don't."

Cue visible discomfort.
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#120131 - 09/08/19 04:51 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I guess it depends on your endgame. If the goal is to change anti-gay legislation, or if you’re a homosexual running for political office or vying for a managerial position in a company, it makes sense to downplay sexual orientation. If you're looking to change "hearts and minds," a subtle approach is generally the way to go. If on the other hand you have no such lofty goals, and you simply find Christians to be annoying self-righteous assholes and want to give them a taste of their own medicine, then I fully support your efforts to be a thorn in their side by whatever means necessary.
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#120199 - 09/14/19 05:06 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: William Wright]
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First of all, is that the Zach who made the video on YouTube about tripping on 30 hits of LSD? Ha! That’s crazy… I used to watch his videos all the time years back, when I was in high school. I have some decent blotter right now and I’m getting ready to take a couple hits tomorrow actually.

Anyway…

I’ve actually read up on The Satanic Temple quite a bit and, to be honest, at first glance, I don’t necessarily disagree with their stated mission or tenets; I suppose my distaste for TST comes in their execution and not in their ideals. The one tenet that does strike me as a bit odd is:

“The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.”

Even still, depending on what they mean by the “struggle for justice,” I may even be inclined to agree. So while, on paper, TST doesn’t sound all that bad, the way they conduct themselves is just silly. They seem to be a sort of wanna-be Satanic group for Portland, Oregon hipster types, rife with purple hair, social justice warriors and, apparently, LGBT folks.

Personally, I’ve never had a problem with gay people. Who you stick your dick in or open your legs to is patently none of my business. But the claim that fifty percent of Satanists are LGBT is wholly unfounded. First of all, what is Greaves’ definition of “Satanist?” If you ask me, these people of TST are nothing of the sort; I’d consider them atheists, political activists, contrarians… among other things. But Satanists? I’m not so sure about that.

The Temple does seem to espouse some Satanic ideals, in concept, but once again, your ideals can be great, but their execution makes them look like a bunch of purple-haired hipsters screaming, “Hail Satan!” to piss people off, and I have to be skeptical of their leadership and what exactly they are teaching these sheep.

All in all, I have to second the idea that these people are just atheists and political activists who are using “Satanism” as a bit of shock value and personal entertainment.

That being said, they have an interesting reading list. I actually own a copy of Revolt of the Angels.

Outside of that, I can't say I take the temple seriously. A big part of their existence seems to be placing their hands firmly on their hips and telling everyone how much more "active" they are than the Church of Satan.


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#120214 - 09/16/19 07:38 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Drebin001]
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I completely agree with the video. I want soo badly to support TST for the legal work they do on building that wall (the wall just got ten feet higher) between church and state and for freedom of speech but I cannot with any intellectual honesty bring myself to support such obnoxious edgelords thinking, as he very accurately stated, that what you put your dick in makes you a Satanist. It makes you a Satanist as much as me being not gay makes me a Christian. And that almost seems to be a dichotomy they're trying to create. I don't want to be associated with that and really struggle with myself on supporting them at all. Which is unfortunate because there's soo much potential there and they're completely missing the mark squandering it on just being a different brand of stupid Americans. I guess I'll have to start my own branch which takes serious aim at disenfranchising Abrahamists and gaining true power for a new philosophical, ritualistic force of nature.
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#120219 - 09/17/19 10:31 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: LEVIATHAN'sabyss]
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Personally, I think you'd have more success in a movement that's advertised as one comprised of atheists or agnostics, rather than Satanists. I wouldn't be surprised if certain members of the CoS were involved in such a movement, though we would never know because they don't talk about what they do or do not get involved in, politically.

What would be even craftier would be to start an organization that advertises itself as a right-wing Christian group that happens to want separation of church and state, if you could somehow swing that.

You'd have to prove, in some way, that churches being tax exempt somehow harms the influence and efficacy of the Christian religion in the States.

In fact, there are some Bible passages you could use to support the idea. It would be exhausting to constantly have to pretend to be a Christian, though. So you'd really have to weigh the potential rewards against the costs and risks. Imagine being exposed as a Satanist pretending to be a Christian arguing for separation of church and state. Then again, if you subscribe to the "all press is good press" idea, you may be able to benefit from some well-staged exposure of your "secret Satanic life."
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#120224 - 09/17/19 11:09 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Drebin001]
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Personally, I think you'd have more success in a movement that's advertised as one comprised of atheists or agnostics, rather than Satanists

No way. Your average atheists/agnostics are too mealy mouthed and tolerant to get anything done. You'd be digging in sand.

I have seriously considered starting a church to meet my various goals but as you pointed out it would be incredibly taxing and I just don't have the energy to pretend to enjoy being surrounded by a congregation long enough to get a footing. I'd snap.
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#120225 - 09/17/19 11:11 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: LEVIATHAN'sabyss]
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That's not true at all. Plenty of said Atheist movements are aggressive and unapologetic in their campaigns.

Maybe you don't agree with their other political views, but that's another conversation entirely.
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#120226 - 09/17/19 11:17 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Drebin001]
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Yeah, I suppose there's Aron and Matt. They do good facing down Texas board of education and the like. I'm not aware of many more though. What are some of the bigger ones I'm not thinking of?
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#120251 - 09/19/19 03:39 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: LEVIATHAN'sabyss]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_secularist_organizations

I doubt that the above list is complete, by any means, but it can give you a start, if you're looking into how these organizations operate.

Notice that the United States has the longest list, despite us being one of the more religious countries in the world... Interesting.
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#120253 - 09/20/19 10:11 AM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: Drebin001]
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 Originally Posted By: Drebin001
Notice that the United States has the longest list, despite us being one of the more religious countries in the world... Interesting.

The higher you push the pendulum the higher it swings the other way. If Christians understood these basic physics they'd be quick to correct their approach. Take "devil worshippers" as an example. Christians obviously think that's the worst thing you could possibly be. Well who introduced us to the devil? Nobody would know him had they not introduced us to him.
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#120257 - 09/20/19 06:57 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: LEVIATHAN'sabyss]
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Christians might say a devil worshipper is the worst thing you can be, but I suspect that the worst thing you can be to most Christians is an Atheist. Devil worshippers might be on the other team, but at least they're playing.
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#120269 - 09/21/19 12:22 PM Re: Satanic Temple SAYS '' Half of Satanist are LGBT [Re: William Wright]
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Ask them if there's much of a difference.
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