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#120411 - 10/06/19 11:39 AM has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A63Ly0Pvpk

i mean he kisses girls like its nothing at clubs.. you dont know even know if they are whores or not. that could be consider rape if you kiss a girl right away...

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#120413 - 10/06/19 08:19 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: mario32]
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 Originally Posted By: mario32
that could be consider rape if you kiss a girl right away...
Only by a complete idiot who doesn't understand the distinction between sexual assault and rape.
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#120414 - 10/06/19 09:00 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
 Originally Posted By: mario32
that could be consider rape if you kiss a girl right away...
Only by a complete idiot who doesn't understand the distinction between sexual assault and rape.


sorry i have a low iq

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#120417 - 10/07/19 07:46 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: mario32]
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I don't know you necessarily, but sometimes it's an empathy thing. Remorse, regret, pain, loneliness is often more common than people think, and the sad thing can be is that these emotions can be easily prone to self involvement and isolating behavior, which isn't a character flaw. That's grief. Often it's the heart telling us to heal and that ignorance can interfere with that healing process.

But it's not always ignorance, and most of us have different responsibilities, and different realities.


I was made fun of for a good bit of the first portion of my life. But that gave me a strange kind of grit. Eventually that strength was fueled by my intuition about a lot of the darkness around me, and how that contrasted with the innocence inside me.

I became built not to be discouraged by darkness.

My psyche has often been wired to understand how dissolutioned others have been about love, and how dilusional and disconnected people were to their own needs, and how in many ways this wasn't their fault.

In a selfish way it's how I've kept in touch with my own human needs.

People often had lost themselves in agenda, and forgot that being human must be the foundation of any worthy cause, or else you're just having fun "to lose and to pretend." ;\)

Which means if everything around you feels fake and you're feeling and loving and feeling alone, you might be on the right track.

And I hope you are.

And this is why I've always been unstoppable, because my spirit has always been open and focused on the direction of my feet breaking through my dirt because I've always and only been in first person perspective seeing my best way home.

Those threatened by that closed themselves off to their blessings, and mistakenly relied on entropy, hoping to distract me and tried to create a false home, not knowing that I already know what home is.

This is how to safely make it through false noise. A genuine home can't be authentically denied. This is the right of the universe. That sense of home is beneath all your dirt. Once there, it can't be taken away. Youd begin to understand that you're too deep inside your heart for anyone to be capable of taking it away. And the dirt and fear and jealousy of others is a flaw of initiative. You're aware that there's no turning back, but often their fears prevented them from accepting that same truth. And so entropy is your friend, because your knowing made you immutable and solid, and their airy sense of defensiveness and ignorance them like vapor, and so your work would be akin to rolling down hill through myst, with the intensity providing the awareness to keep balance.

This is that deeper wisdom, to be understood with my other writing regarding love birthing between genders.


Edited by samowens84 (10/07/19 08:43 AM)

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#120432 - 10/08/19 10:22 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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No, but I read a book called, The Teachings on Don Juan, which is John in The Spanish.

It taught me that everything really does look like Spanish/Southwestern tile, and your skin really is transparent if you consume mescaline from a few Peyote buttons, or a giant piece of San Pedro.

But since you also brought up whores...

Try Mexico or your local "miracle mile" (sometimes actually called that), watch out for trannies though, whatever your nearby "Hotel Cascadia" might be.

If whores are beneath you, go find yourself a flipper. Fat girls will love you an actual long time because they really are "so horny". They are also lower maintenance, unless they are black or Mexican.

And just this once I will let you in on the ancient art of juice bar strippers (18+/totally nude) on a Wednesday night. They proposition you most of the time. It might even be the worth the 300-500.

* Never bring in your wallet or anything of value. Only bring money or things you are comfortable losing, like at a casino.

And if that is beneath you, try chloroform. And if you are too moral for rape go somewhere women go and approach every girl there until one responds favorably.



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#120443 - 10/09/19 08:48 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
No, but I read a book called, The Teachings on Don Juan, which is John in The Spanish.

It taught me that everything really does look like Spanish/Southwestern tile, and your skin really is transparent if you consume mescaline from a few Peyote buttons, or a giant piece of San Pedro.

But since you also brought up whores...

Try Mexico or your local "miracle mile" (sometimes actually called that), watch out for trannies though, whatever your nearby "Hotel Cascadia" might be.

If whores are beneath you, go find yourself a flipper. Fat girls will love you an actual long time because they really are "so horny". They are also lower maintenance, unless they are black or Mexican.

And just this once I will let you in on the ancient art of juice bar strippers (18+/totally nude) on a Wednesday night. They proposition you most of the time. It might even be the worth the 300-500.

* Never bring in your wallet or anything of value. Only bring money or things you are comfortable losing, like at a casino.

And if that is beneath you, try chloroform. And if you are too moral for rape go somewhere women go and approach every girl there until one responds favorably.





Lol why are you interested in my sex life?

Are you a bitter ex or something?

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#120467 - 10/10/19 11:24 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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Just because it says your name does not necessarily mean it was directed at you, kind of defaults to the above poster when you forget to specify and click "reply".

Somehow you have exceeded my own "center-o-universism", which is an accomplishment in and of itself, and definitely one worth noting.

Seriously, have you seen my gold watch?
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#120472 - 10/11/19 09:18 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
Just because it says your name does not necessarily mean it was directed at you, kind of defaults to the above poster when you forget to specify and click "reply".

Somehow you have exceeded my own "center-o-universism", which is an accomplishment in and of itself, and definitely one worth noting.

Seriously, have you seen my gold watch?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngo05p0jvNU&list=RDngo05p0jvNU&start_radio=1

If you leverage material gain to pretend to get well, then this song is a lie.

Are you lying?

Do you care about getting well, or do you only care about looking like you care about getting well?

Consider it a challenge to see how good you actually want to be, instead of wasting time wishing you were well.

There's always an option and way to be a good person no matter what condition your car is in.

You would have to prefer to be responsible rather than loved or feared if you actually care about getting better.

Question is, are you just a liar, or do you actually care?

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#120473 - 10/11/19 10:30 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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Consider it a challenge to see how good you actually want to be, instead of wasting time wishing you were well.

There's always an option and way to be a good person no matter what condition your car is in.

You would have to prefer to be responsible rather than loved or feared if you actually care about getting better.

Question is, are you just a liar, or do you actually care?

The ultimate weakness of Cleopatra is that she wasn't quite the feminist icon people want to imagine her as being.

At least not during the times of Julius Caesar, Guius Octavian Caesar Augustus, and Mark Antony.

She burned through the good will of all these foreign rulers without an endgame.

From outside structural observation, she seemed to have two competing core beliefs, and a two more ego centered beliefs that just undermined the proceeding two.

1.A that she should be completely autonomous, and respected for her intelligence. Granted

She suffered from men who lacked her realm
of intelligence who abused her. Granted.

By her outward behavior, this caused her to resent men, and out of ego centered vengeance, believed that her wisdom was superior to the wisdom of men. This seems to have been in direct conflct with my personal research on another core belief she seemed to have. Which was:

That all wisdoms, when properly applied, are in complete harmony with the earth, and that every ethical lesson is important to the earth.

Her ego centered resentment, that men excluded and abused her caused her to feel entitled more towards being included in the world, in contrast to serving harmony of the earth.

She was overly dependent on men, admired their strength, but ignored the value of the spiritual lessons and responsibilities of the men. Assumed it was a zero sum game, that either men should lead or women should lead.

Neither is true.

Both have spiritual value and must be harmonized with each other.

Women had a justified resentment against how men treated them.

But then used that as an excuse to ignore their spiritual responsibilies, and resorted to petty revenge that put themselves, women, children, and the entire earth at risk. And why?

To feel better about themselves.

Men had their fault in major ways too.

Too fearful of genuine feminine wrath, they cared more about making money and making sure women didn't interfere with their petty comforts, while insisting on being "forgiven" and "understood."

If a lot of the men had any balls they would have learned to transmute the darkness of feminine wrath into goodness, righteousness and harmony, as is their sacred duty to the earth.

But most of them just bccame children wanting mom to validate their foolish decisions, instead of owning their past mistakes and working to make it right.

Not to shame that primal need for mother. That's the instinct the earth put in us. But men have historically misused and abused that instinct.


No instinct is wrong, unless they aren't properly understood and properly put into perspective and practice.

To need validation isn't wrong. It's just the instinct that reminds me that we're all responsible for earth and harmony.

That instinct is wrongly abused when that powerful healing urge becomes aligned with two ignorant people.

When that instinct tells you that healing is required and karma healed, that instinct is often right, unless it's just perspective, but not action.

For example, working hard and staying busy might lead to you being disrespectful of another person's space.

The foundation of all stability is the Will to righteousness.

If that is ignored, it doesn't matter how well meaning you are, you're just nurturing a poor foundation and ignorance and mutual destruction in both communities.

There's a righteous track that once followed provides permanent solution, and there's an ignorant track that ignores righteous responsibility and needlessly prolongs mutual suffering.

There really is no middle ground.

That's the wisdom of responsibility that is more important than being feared or loved.

Because fear and love are just distractions from responsibility and like using heroin instead of going to work.

Not that fear and love are wrong, but not when sought at the expense of being responsibility and earth and community and righteousness.

Bottom line.

Love and fear of others is weak. "Love/acceptance" ignores the karma that you have to cleanse in favor of approval and love.

Fear ignored the responsibility to cleanse bad karma by just wracking up more bad karma.

Responsibility is about harmonizing these two instincts, not favoring one over the other.

If you do, then you're being foolish in either way.

More so if you prefer to be feared rather than loved, because it adds the illusion of being "wise" at the expense of genuine responsible action. A bubble of nothing for personal benefit with no end game or rational behavior.

That's the problem with that.

A misreading of Machiavelli.

TThe love and fear of others is irrelevant.

It's only incidental to whatever specific situation, and any action will create a metric of love or fear in others. Either way that emphasis placed the emphasis on feelings rather tthan action.

When a wise decision is made, the correct balance of fear and love takes iits own natural harmony, and decisiveness and strength commands natural respect.

Therefore, a wise emperor or leader is only concerned about doing the right thing, and has no concern about managing the feelings of others.

Feelings exist, but are incidental to learning and reinforcement.

A wise emperor understands that the only direct learning an emperor can be in direct relationship with is to be wise and to learn how to do the right thing.

This learning has a relationship with the feelings of others, but when lived in it doesn't need to be thought about.

It just comes naturally.



Edited by samowens84 (10/11/19 10:55 AM)

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#120474 - 10/11/19 01:38 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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But for the song I referenced, it's only human to feel something when someone I consider a friend who's been in the trenches with me and experienced things that mirror my own.

Even if a song like that is only to your inner child, I felt something for myself as well.

It's not codependency, it's intimacy.

Close intertwined experiences between adults who still manage to maintain their individuality is the most profound experience filled with more ecstacy and meaning than anything else.

Not that you were doing it, but I always found it distasteful to compare being a loving compassionate human being with a gold watch.

Heart is hard fought through experience. And anyone who has one knows it can't be given away or bought.

That doesn't apply to you. But it was a point worth saying aloud.


Edited by samowens84 (10/11/19 01:41 PM)

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#120475 - 10/11/19 01:49 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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Here is a song I like:

Long ago in a dusty village
Full of hunger, pain and strife
A man came forth with a vision of truth
And the way to a better life
He was convinced he had the answer
And he compelled people to follow along
But the hunger never vanished
And the man was banished
And the village dried up and died


And how fuck did you turn a Devil's Advocate reference into 3 responses of vacuous prattling this time?


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#120476 - 10/11/19 03:41 PM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: CanisMachina42]
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s78JACnHqKw

I was cross talking.

Never thought a Christina Augulara song would make me cry.

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#120491 - 10/13/19 06:21 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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Have fun growing out your vagina.
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#120492 - 10/13/19 06:53 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: Dimitri]
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Have fun growing out your vagina.


You have to be strong to survive.

It's not an ego thing.

There's a will you need. That I haven't seen yet.

If my approval and respect is the goal, then you're focusing on the problem not the solution.

Look past me and others and all those around you and look to what you really want.

The moods and feelings and others can ebb and flow like water.

Letting that sway you even from friends and loved ones is like letting others blow you around like a bag in the wind.

You have to put your feet on the ground and be stable for yourself.

It takes more strength to hold on to the rails and manage your ship instead of the wind.

Whether you decide to depend on one person or a group, you'll still be blowing in the wind on the whims of others until you decide not too and be your own strength.

And intellectually and structurally, I see the problem, though on this case I might not be able to empathize with it, though I see the condition clearly.

A woman who has to take the moral leadership in a community traditionally dominated by men, and that if she fails that same community that might resent her would suffer and she'd be responsible for their suffering.

That seems like a touch leadership role the universe seemed to have imposed on you whether you like it or not.

Acceptance comes with finding one's strength and ability to adapt and assume that role, which wouldn't be on your shoulders if you weren't capable.

There's no place to bargain. No one to suffer in your place or to assume your responsibility for you.

That's all it is.

A hard truth no one else was capable or willing to tell you.


Edited by samowens84 (10/13/19 07:44 AM)

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#120493 - 10/13/19 08:14 AM Re: has anyone here ever seen the movie don jon [Re: samowens84]
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And it just occurred to me spiritually why men become cuckholded and the spiritual purpose.

It's moral failing.


A man who has moral courage to stand up for what's right is more likely biologically suited and able to protect her young and community.

Not necessarily physically stronger per se. A man who values family over fighting is also a more secure mate.


But home centered values.

And so I've found in my experience when a woman cheated on me, it was because I failed morally. I didn't find it was my job to control her or try to make her behave, but it was my job to grow up and align my values with hers. Not make her tow the line.

Moral center outside of female validation, but concerned with respect and mutual growth being more important than control.

If an immature man takes the lead on a woman more morally intuitive than himself and yet still insisted on leading her, is a threat to his entire community and family.

Not that he should let her control him either.

But that he should listen and be in harmony with her. And actually do the work.

And so when a man tries to brag on how he controls a woman, to me he's just saying he's a punk, and not in a good way.

And even if she finds that erotic and attractive for a while, when she reaches that crossroads of defending her family or letting you be a macho snowflake, she'll kick you to the curb in favor of family.

Bottom line.

A woman likes to be her best self too.

So even if a man may be weaker, but you try to convince her that she's "evil" like you, when she's said that she wanted a man to help her be more in the light away from darkness, then you just wanted a woman to make you feel good about yourself and you didn't care about her, no matter what you'd done for her.

Like thank you psychic vampire for all the gifts, she thought to herself.


A backdoor man can still love a woman as long as he doesn't kid himself about thinking he's going to end up with her.


Love being an action of mutual benefit, rather than 3d companionship.

But bottom line empathy, understanding and common struggle triggers more sexual buttons in a woman than being the best or the strongest.

Perhaps there's a spiritual reason for that.

What immediately comes to mind is that a woman knows that she can make a man invincible if he first comes to her with humility and first seeks to seek that spiritual deference that inspires harmony, not domination.

To seek a union that says "I want to know what your deepest spiritual responsibilities are so that I can serve you and serve myself!"

Most men in my experience have lacked that courage.

More guys need to learn how to do that, and act more like men.

Otherwise their women will eventually betray them.

Always. If you're not harmonized with your woman and her values, she'll betray you eventually. But if you have values that make her better that she's ignorant of, then she won't be able to leave spiritually until she's able to internalize those values.

Some men go the other way and think that being overly submissive was the way to go, but that's wrong too. A woman is always concerned with transforming for her community and herself to avoid spiritual and physical death. If you just let her take the reigns, you're not helping her. But you can't fake the ability to serve her on that front.

If you do, then you'll end up destroyed in one way or another.

That spiritual commitment has to be genuine.

So I've learned that to be of service I can't be overly macho and controlling that implies moral cowardice, or be too deferential to her either. To recognize her strength but to refuse to grow is also stupid.

But to be of moral service is to find that third way to be relevant to women.

That's what it is.

And in gender fluid terms let's say that I'm in more of the divine feminine and a woman is in more of the divine masculine.

You can't buy my loyalty.

You have to be in tune with my values and support that or eventually I'll leave.



Edited by samowens84 (10/13/19 09:05 AM)

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