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#1402 - 11/03/07 11:48 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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Well said and I apologise if you took any offense not intended for you, and yes I agree it's not the entire nation that is to blame for any of Americas downfalls. I was in fact in a rather angry mood when writing the above post due to outside influences.

I just find this thread to be a rather distasteful attempt by a few people who have never had contact with the UK (or an extremely small level of contact) and want to prove that the US is top dog.

I have been to America. I've been to Florida twice (different areas) and I've been to New York. Sure I've not seen all of the country, it's pretty huge, but I didn't feel particularly welcome outside of tourist areas. I'll be heading to Pennsylvania next year and I hope I see a nicer side of the US.

I would like to see the UK not having the laws that it has in place for silly reasons but then a lot of the laws in UK are ignored outright anyway. I can't remember a single person ever being arrested for Blasphemy in the UK and that's a law I break pretty much daily.
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#1404 - 11/04/07 12:13 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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lol, no offense taken, I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from. Here is a video of a stranger saving a baby's life after being in a car accident--not trying to rub anything in, it's just a feel-good story: Good Samaritan saves baby

When you go to Pennsylvania, please go and visit Amish Country. The people there are very pleasant and welcoming, and very rustic. The Amish keep things the way they were when they first settled there, back in the 1700's. No electricity, no phones, no cars, not even buttons are permitted. What time of year do you plan on going? I'd recommend late October, that's the time when the maples and birches start turning, but the grass and other trees aren't dead yet. I'll post pictures from my visit to Ohio Amish Country just a few weeks ago. It was beautiful!

Yes, touristy cities are going to treat visitors like crap--like in Orlando, with Disney and Sea World and so many other attractions, visitors from across the country drive or fly (and rent cars), and have no idea where the hell they're going, their kids are running all over the place, and they're usually just as rude and inconsiderate to the residents as the residents can be back to them. It's like they expect to be treated like gold because they spend their money there. Grrr. Don't visit those cities!
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#1405 - 11/04/07 12:36 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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I'll be likely heading to Pennsylvania at the end of July, hopefully meet a few friends there as I have a few American friends who I talk to semi-regularly online or by phone that I'd like to spend time with in person.

Likewise, anyone going to the UK, Manchester, Liverpool and London are great places to go so long as you don't go to certain areas such as Toxteth in Liverpool, or Mosside in Manchester or London's East End. Expect to be stabbed in those areas... UK is far from perfect, and those are places to avoid like the plague. Other than that the UK is a welcoming and pleasant place generally. I throughly suggest going to Chester, a wonderful city.
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#1416 - 11/04/07 11:11 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
just find this thread to be a rather distasteful attempt by a few people who have never had contact with the UK (or an extremely small level of contact) and want to prove that the US is top dog.

I have been to America. I've been to Florida twice (different areas) and I've been to New York.


Florida is an odd case. Even the residents here consider Florida to be very private or cold. The problem is that Florida is a service industry economy. This means most jobs here are very low wage. Add to this the simple fact that the majority of people here are from another part of the country and don't really see Florida as "home".

The result is a very standoff-ish population. Its a bit of a shock when newcomers first see the "Blank stare" they get in response to a friendly "hello".

Its not a response to you being a tourist, they treat each other like that as well. When I moved form Texas to Florida, it was like entering an alien society.

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#1421 - 11/04/07 12:36 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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You're absolutely correct, Chris.

Most people who live in Florida are either snowbirds (people who live up north in the summer, and come down here for the winter), or transplants, like yourself, Chris. It's very difficult to feel a strong sense of community when everyone on the block is from different parts of the country, with different ideals and societal standards.

Take the workplace, for instance. I work with about 20 other people. Only 4 of those people were actually born in Florida--myself, my boyfriend, and two others. My coworkers' home states range from Nebraska, Ohio, South Carolina, Illinois, etc. True, most of them have been living here for the majority of their lives, but they still have regional dialects (people from Ohio pronounce "wash" as "warsh", South Carolinians have a pronounced Southern drawl). At the same time, because we're so used to visitors, snowbirds, and transplants, we tend not to be as insular as smaller towns might be. We have blacks, Latinos (mainly Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Mexicans), Asians (Vietnamese and Chinese), Indians, Greeks, you name it, and that's just in this state. If the occasion permits, I enjoy conversing with people from out of town or from other countries. They seem to be surprised to find someone pleasant to talk to, even if it's only for 5 minutes. The most painful thing for me to see in summer are the British tourists with such extreme sunburns they look like steamed lobsters. What do Brits have against high-SPF sunscreen? Makes me cringe, poor bastards.

Visiting Florida and New York is not a true example of what the US is all about. Tornado, I hope you have a better time in Pennsylvania!
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#1446 - 11/05/07 05:31 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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Well thank you, I hope that it can show me a side of the US that I've set to see then.

As for the sunscreen, the British DO wear sunscreen it just doesn't help because we're a very northern race.

London (which is very far south in the UK) is at a higher latitude than all of the US. It's at a higher latitude than all 3 of Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver in Canada by more than 2 degrees and it's only 3 degrees below Moscow in Russia. Liverpool where I'm from, and Bangor where I live at the moment, are at the same latitude as Moscow. I have friends from Newcastle which is even further north again.

As you can imagine, when the ENTIRE British population are used to getting less sun than the major cities of Canada and Russia they tend to have little resistance to it. People don't realise quite how arctic the UK is because there's very little snow compared to Canada and Russia but that's only because we're an island. Sea water contains a lot of salt and salt stops snow form forming.

I had an awful time in Florida my first time when my legs burned. It was agony for 2 days, and I was wearing SPF 75 sunscreen. I saw SPF 30 on sale in the US, you rarely find British people using less than SPF 50 if they're leaving the country. I even consider using as powerful as SPF 120, but that shits expensive.
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#1788 - 11/12/07 02:30 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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And why is this all a bad thing. It means we have a more compassionate population and a nicer country. I'd rather not have gum on my shoe or cigarette butts all over the street, it makes the place less enjoyable to live

until this comment i thought you where a bit off and sheep like needing to fit in from your comments in blackdragons socitey and accpetance post and so forth even your autism thread had some points but still a wolf in some respects but after reading that one line and what it was in refrence to, i see your comment about being a wolf in sheep clothing is far from the truth you are a sheep in wolfs clothing in my perception ,and thank you msca tek for posting that, im appaled at how bad it has gotten their and had no idea expessically the first and last links, (in truth i saw the links befor opening them immeditly thought oh an american talking about living in a prison thats rich but fuck man you are right the amount they are contolled and acecpt it is mindboggeling)like somthing out of a sci-fi movie.back on track that slave mentality you have shown tornado is astounding and creepy and perhaps its that you have lived their all your life and have not felt anyhting but oppression to that degree. have you lived their all your life?if so i can kind of see how you would think that way, as its been pounded into you from a young age but a satanist should know better man.now every place is under the goverments thumb i realzie that, and this post was expessically an eye opener but to prasise and defend that oppresstion i cant comprehend.now i realize in posting this you wont listen to me anymore then you will listen to the others who posted and said mutch more convincing and eloquently put posts. insted of my, how could you praise and defend such a thing, but i was so floored by what you said and that mentality i had to add in my 2 cents
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#1789 - 11/12/07 04:39 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: rob_church]
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Ok, honestly, there is no oppression and you all know it. It's a few cases of news getting out of hand and if you look for it in any country you'll always be able to find weird laws and strange news articles that can be twisted to make a country sound worse than it really is. The UK is far from oppressed, I observe more freedom in the UK than I see in USA. A good example of this is I won't be beaten to death for burning my nations flag.

Oppression doesn't have to be based on laws and politics. We may have a few laws that seem petty like the littering laws but they're all there to keep Britain as it should be. A beautiful and pleasant place to live. Considering the overpopulation and industrialization in this country, that's something I support because without it this country would be nothing more than city sprawl. The oppression in other countries, particularly the US is from the population. In the US alone there are such high figures for racist crime, homophobic crime and other hate crimes. People are not free to express themselves because somewhere the population decided it was their "God given right" to never be offended by anything. Even the education system suffers with "Creationism" being taught in SCIENCE class. If that's freedom, I don't want freedom. I'm quite happy here as a subject under HM The Queen, because although I may not technically be "Free" I have more actual freedoms than most of the free world, and that is truth.

As you asked by the way. I lived in England until I was 17 and lived in Wales since. Both are within the UK so yes, I have always lived in the UK.
I have however traveled quite extensively. I've been to France, Spain (twice), Germany, Austria, Romania, Finland, Norway and USA (Florida and New York). I know what other countries are like, maybe not from the perspective of living there, but at a basic overview at least.
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#1792 - 11/12/07 07:54 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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ahh so what freedoms do you enjoy in briton that i dont in canada, where i dont have a cameras telling me what to do or the many other what i view to be a harsh oppressions on your freedom mentioned in this thread, i can burn my flag with out a beating, granted mabey not on rembrence day around some vets but any other time yes,we have gay marriage,internet piracy is a very gray area here, weed was almost decriminalized at least well on it way. perhaps not now that we have harper but still. im wondering what freedoms do you speak of that i in canada dont have?
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#1852 - 11/13/07 01:17 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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To be completely fair, you are correct.

Is mass oppression happening? No, But why should it?

The population is passive. It has become desensitized to all of it. The problem with books like 1984, and other totalitarian stories is that they will never happen. There is no need to violently oppress the entire population when you can make them happy and obedient about their bondage. This is easily accomplished through education, desensitization, and repetition. Programming, diet, and (if necessary) pharmaceuticals are all being used to dumb down, and pacify the population.

If you want to understand what the future will be like, read; “Brave New World” By Aldous Huxley

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#1877 - 11/14/07 06:42 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: rob_church]
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Very few if any 'freedoms' are in the UK that are not present in Canada. Canada is one of the few countries I think I could happily live actually as I like the political standpoints of the general population. Remember, as people keep bringing it up, you can ignore the fucking camera. UK is more free than most, please prove otherwise, without using isolated news stories because they can be found for ANY country, they're not representative of what the whole country is like.
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#61335 - 11/12/11 06:45 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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I realize that this post comes to a long dead discussion but an important point can be illustrated here I think;

Do not base your opinions and thoughts on silly articles (Alex Jones? Really?!), especially not to the extent of labeling people "slave like". Far be it from me to defend something as collectivist as a nation and granted that I would love nothing more than to see real libertarianism injected into the national psyche (especially in terms of taxation and other economic issues), but a passive, docile place it isn't.

There are no cameras that shout at people, there are no "garbage police" and, lamentably given the rise of obesity, there are no "warnings" issued to the parents of fat kids.

People are generally free to live in whatever way they see fit. Freedom is not the issue here. The primary issue is that, due to the Labour government’s effort to "mother" the nation, we have children who know all the words to Britney's "songs" but who have never heard of Elgar or Debussy, we have world class museums closing because the nation is more interested in football matches and we have a culture that holds up the lowest form of "celebrity" as high achievement.

Again the problem isn't lack of freedom. The problem is stupidity.
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#61355 - 11/13/11 09:05 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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UK Parents of Fat Children to get Warning

Well, it of course depends on what this warning is supposed to lead to if not followed up on, but the warning in itself I can understand. The question is whether failing to help an obese child eat and exercise properly should be considered parental neglect, as long as the obesity is not due to hormonal issues of any sort.

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The Government is concerned about the levels of obesity in this country. The latest Health Survey for England (HSE) data shows us that nearly 1 in 4 adults, and over 1 in 10 children aged 2-10, are obese.

I wouldn't agree that the weight of a child in itself should a be sufficient reason for child protection staff to get involved or even remove the child from the parents. However, at least to me, these are disturbing numbers and should not be underestimated. This is especially important when it comes to young children who are not responsible for their own lifestyle, and I think it is great that the Brits are putting focus on the critical role of parents in regards to this. Therefore I must say I don't consider giving parents some sort of warning (perhaps from health staff) an excessive measure to take, because the same thing would happen if the parents failed to address health issues of any other sort, and obesity cannot be considered anything less than a health issue for the child.

When it comes to the other examples provided, I can see that some might consider them excessive, and to some extend I agree. When it comes to the protection of children's health and welfare however, I do think parents should be held responsible, and I don't consider the Brits deluded for discussing different measures to take on this issue.

Edit: I see people are discussing freedom in regards to these issues, so I can just add that I do not consider jeopardising the health of your child a "freedom" one should have as a parent. If you want to jeopardise your own health, however, that's perfectly fine with me.


Edited by Vinter (11/13/11 09:13 AM)

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#61367 - 11/13/11 02:16 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: PrinceOfBabalon]
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I cannot ignore what Prince said about "silly articles" - afterall, he is a resident of the UK, which makes me more prone to listen to him on the issue.
Not everything we read on the internet is true- after all, I read countless "legit reports" on the new iPhone 4S and hardly any of them ended up having any truth basis.
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#61378 - 11/14/11 12:25 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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Well seeing as the Uk has a more "socialist" type system than the US it is no surprise that the government there would be taking such steps on a topic like obesity. It causes a domino effect of health problems that in their system society is going to have to pay for. So naturally they'd not want their money wasted because some kid shoved too many twinkies(don even have those there?) in their face.

Now one could make a rather successful arguement as to one's "natural right" to get fat if they so choose however again I would the most important point is the British socio-economic system. In such a system the citizens have well basically agreed to support each other and thus they have also chosen to surrender some of those "natural rights". In other words they have the right to get fat but they don't have the right for everyone to pay for them getting fat, in Britain that's how it would happen.

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