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#1237 - 10/23/07 12:56 PM Poor Deluded Brits.
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I sit staring in total fascination at the British as they passively sit within the prison of their own making. I honestly cant understand the slave mindset. Is it the fact they lived in a monarchy? That they lived for years with a ridged class structure? That even the servant class had a pecking order of its own? What forces are responsible for creating such a passive slave like population.


UK CAMERAS SHOUT ORDERS AND YELL AT POPULATION



UK Garbage Cops Have Power to Seize Cars.



UK Parents of Fat Children to get Warning



Gov Plans for the Surveillance of all Children



It just goes on, and on, and on.

Thoughts?

Comments?

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#1238 - 10/23/07 02:45 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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In one sense, the whole thing is upsetting. Yet, at the same time, it really isn’t surprising.

I believe that the average sheep, believes that they are free, as long as they are told, that they are. The fact that they are monitored, taxes, and put in line, doesn’t bother them, as long as they are under the belief, that it’s all for their own good, and safety.

In time, once the leash gets too tight, they rebel, and if they are successful, at beating their oppressor, they will enjoy real freedom for a few years, until new laws, and rules are slowly brought into existence, and the cycle starts all over again.

It is the same all over the world, and through out history.

It is happening in the United States too. We are giving up our rights and freedoms (if we ever truly had them) for the illusion of security.

In the former Eastern Block countries of Europe, where they have only recently lost their oppressors, another one is taking it’s place. Personal debt.
Many are spending beyond their means, mortgaging their homes and land, in order to buy the newly available plastic, twirling, shiny shit, in one form or another, which they are taught, that they need to have.

Perhaps the idea, that humans crave freedom is wrong. It appears that they have a need to be controlled, because that way, they do not have to accept responsibility for themselves, their failures, and their miserable existence. They need someone to blame, which is enough for them.

I believe, servitude is genetically necessary. If everyone did their own thing, as they pleased, the human race would not be able to move ahead. The leaders and the strong, need good and obedient sheep to do their bidding. Sheep, who believe that they are wolves.
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#1243 - 10/23/07 06:41 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Asmedious]
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Nothing is more pathetic than a manipulated people who imagine themselves to be free.


Americans care more about who is going to win the NBA or the super bowl than the do what is actually happening to America.

I leave you with two quotes:

"In an egalitarian society an AK 47 is the most effective street sweeper...Anton LaVey...The devil's Notebook."

"All America is becoming one vast insane asylum"..Ezra Pound:

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#1353 - 11/02/07 12:19 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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I walked into Subway today in the suburbs of Bristol, UK, and was assaulted by at least 3 CCTV cameras. They are in every restaurant and fast food joint, every supermarket, and on virtually every street corner here.

You can't even get away with slipping a piece of French cheese out of your bag into your baguette anymore.

And there are now fines for £75 ($150 US) for dropping gum or cigarette butts in the street.

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#1366 - 11/02/07 06:46 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Meq]
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And why is this all a bad thing. It means we have a more compassionate population and a nicer country. I'd rather not have gum on my shoe or cigarette butts all over the street, it makes the place less enjoyable to live.

I have no delusion in thinking I'm "free" in the UK but I'm a hell of a lot more "free" than any American and that's fucking saying something. The UK is one of the most liberal minded countries on the planet at the moment and I quite frankly don't give a shit if they want to keep a track of what I'm doing. CCTV all over the place doesn't bother me, the only people who give a shit about that kind of stuff are people who break the law, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to worry.

This country is not perfect, there is no perfect government or way of ruling, you'll always piss someone off. The UK is however, in my opinion one of the greatest nations, and that's not me being patriotic. I can live my life how I want to and that's all that matters to me.
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#1371 - 11/02/07 12:38 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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"if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to worry."

That one line/thought is the beginning of a slippery slope that ends with no privacy at all for anyone.

If that one line is true for you then, you dont mind if cops come into your home EVERY DAY unannounced and go through your stuff. You don't mind being followed in the street, in stores, or in clubs, because of who you MIGHT associate with. You don't mind if the library keeps track of all the books you take out or read. You don't mind if the phone company gives the list of all the numbers that you call or call you to the government. After all your friends, show/give examples of your possible involvement with various ideas.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean you aren't being followed.

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#1375 - 11/02/07 04:08 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
And why is this all a bad thing. It means we have a more compassionate population and a nicer country. I'd rather not have gum on my shoe or cigarette butts all over the street, it makes the place less enjoyable to live.

I have no delusion in thinking I'm "free" in the UK but I'm a hell of a lot more "free" than any American and that's fucking saying something. The UK is one of the most liberal minded countries on the planet at the moment and I quite frankly don't give a shit if they want to keep a track of what I'm doing. CCTV all over the place doesn't bother me, the only people who give a shit about that kind of stuff are people who break the law, if you have nothing to hide you have no reason to worry.

This country is not perfect, there is no perfect government or way of ruling, you'll always piss someone off. The UK is however, in my opinion one of the greatest nations, and that's not me being patriotic. I can live my life how I want to and that's all that matters to me.


I will say only this. Free thought is worth nothing if you cant put it into action. What does your master care what you think. Thoughts are impotent as far as he is concerned. You will obey or you will be punished.

This is your freedom. Similar to a prisoner in a prison. Follow the rules and you wont be punished. But what rewards does the prisoner get? He gets "permission" to "do" things. But not what he wants, He is given a choice of aproved activities.

Ah, the Brit, taxed into starvation, and controlled to the point where he feels; "up is down", and "prison is freedom."

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#1377 - 11/02/07 07:00 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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And what freedoms am I missing out on. What activities are not aproved of in the UK that I could do in the US or any other country for that matter.

The UK has legalises things most "free" nations have criminalised and it's a damn fine place to live.
Yes, do as your told or be punished, it's called the law jackass, you have it too. In fact in Florida the laws are rediculas.

1. Oral sex is illegal.
2. All forms of sex barring the missionary position is illeal.
3. Stealing a horse is punishable by death.
4. You may not fart in a public place after 6pm.
5. It is illegal to skateboard without a licence.
6. It is illegal to sing in a public place whilst wearing swimwear.
7. It is illegal to shower naked.

...and there's more
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#1378 - 11/02/07 07:23 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Those are laws outdated and are no longer applicable or enforced. There is also one on idiotlaws.com that says hitting a pedestrian warrants a fine up to $78. Adjusting for inflation, that would put the law sometime back in the early 20th century. Who cares?

Digging up idiotic laws that are only on the books because no one's bothered to go through and eliminate them is not the same as having cameras shouting at you to pick up your gum wad or not slip in a slice or your own cheese at a sub shop.

How about--
It is legal for an Englishman to shoot a Welshman with a longbow, provided the Englishman is in England and the Welshman is on the Welsh side of the border.

A bed may not be hung out of a window.

It is illegal for a lady to eat chocolates on a public conveyance.

Any whale washed up on the shore is the property of the Queen, so she can use its bones for her corset.

In London it is illegal to hail a taxi while suffering from bubonic plague.

It is legal for a male to urinate in public, as long it is on the rear wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.


See? Stupid. And utterly pointless.

Having your freedoms slowly infringed upon by the "manner police" is a far cry from the petty laws (stemmed mostly from the Victorian era) that have no real significance.
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#1379 - 11/02/07 08:57 PM Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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You spelled ridiculous wrong.

This may offend those people who usually spell it right. As such the Ministry of Love has decided to fine you 25 pounds.

This is to ensure that Londongrad remains a compassionate and nice place to live.

Thank you for your cooperation, comrade.

'Accusers' for the status quo! Ehaha, the irony is painful!

You've taken the talking points hook, line and sinker.

Oligarchs have almost always ruled over their serfs in a criminal fashion (relying on lies, force and smoke and mirror secrecy out of necessity) it's just that now they have a Stalin's wish list of total population surveillance to help not only watch the general public in real time, but with their super computer biometric face scanners and walking gait readers get to compile the largest database on the habits and social connections of their public that the world has ever known.

Isn't it groovy!

The capstone is nearing completion. All we need are a few more "catalyzing events". A War on Iran would be perfect. Ordo Ab Chao. Heil Imperium.

On behalf of psychopathic elites everywhere i thank you for your willing subservience.

When the next false flag terror attack occurs (while the entire big brother security state mysteriously fails again and the CCTV network again mysteriously malfunctions) take a microchip and ask big brother to put a few cameras in your home too. You know, for the children.

Remember, corruption doesn't exist, your government loves you and everything they do is in your best interest. Got to save you from those islamofascists, after all - they're EVERYWHERE like ticking time bombs just waiting to behead you and drink your blood.

Two Minutes Hate.

So yes, you have the freedom to be utterly powerless (subject to arbitrary power) and completely disarmed (defenseless and reliant on arbitrary power). Challenge the arbitrary power or attempt to arm yourself and you'll quickly find out how not free you are.

Warning, the clip below leads to extremely disturbing anti Western thought and constitutes a serious threat to the Free World™.

Run away screaming and tell your local Ministry of Love about this fearsome propaganda.

Do Not Click Do Not Click

The answer to 1984 is 1776.



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#1382 - 11/03/07 04:53 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Dakindas]
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Quite frankly I find it laughable that you think a country where we've come up with an inexpensive and damn funny way of making people pick up litter and a compassionate enough population to not ignore the speakers is lacking in freedom when you live in America a country that's less free than most of the third world. This is a country where you can't voice your opinion, reveal your sexuality or practice your own religion because you'll likely have violence. It the UK we have a free country by unwritten law, the laws that every British person observes in every day life that are never explained. That is why Britain is great, and you'll never understand that unless you try living here for a while.
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#1383 - 11/03/07 09:04 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
That is why Britain is great, and you'll never understand that unless you try living here for a while.


As long as you are not doing anything wrong, right? Are the unwritten laws the ones that the cameras protect you from? Are they the laws the cameras enforce?

Move along be a good little sheep...

Perhaps this could be your furry side?



;\) G'Day...


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#1396 - 11/03/07 10:54 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: ta2zz]
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The Brits are very much correct. Amerika isn't free. We are very much controlled, however we are controlled in the exact opposite way as the Brits. The Brits are free to think, but not act. This is acceptable to them. We are free to act, but not to think. This is normal to us.

Odd but true. The Masters have realized that controls like those in the UK would be met with violence here. So how are the sheep to be controlled if you cant limit actions? Simply by controling thought. Make those actions undesirable to do. vilify ideas and shape opinion through education and televised brainwashing.

The difference is that I know I am a slave, while the Brits can not see their own cage.
How can you be free when the above links are true. Your car CAN be stopped, searched, and CONFISCATED, by the trash men. The average British subject is subservient to even the lowly garbage collector.

You can call me any name that you want, but the fact that you have to resort to name calling while I have been more than polite indicates to me that you are at least concerned. Don't yell at me because you don't like the news written by your own country.

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#1397 - 11/03/07 11:00 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: ta2zz]
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Laws of decency. A person doesn't treat someone like shit based on background, skin colour or sexuality for example. You get the occasional asshole but 60 million people and not one asshole, not going to happen. People are naturally courteous and polite, naturally generous and caring. It's a nice place to live. It's the type of place where people you don't know would enquirer politely about your day and genuinely enjoy talking to you and have interesting things to say. It's the type of place where litter is down because people want the place to be clean.

I've never had a CCTV camera shout at me and I've never known them to do that. It's stupid to think that such things happen outside of that one camera in that one city. The fact is it worked which I think says something about our country. People care enough that they listened. I think that's worth listening to.

Until your country is as welcoming and pleasant to live in than this one I suggest you stop harping on about things that make you look like an uninformed prat. You have clearly never set foot in the UK.

As for the furry comment; old, tired, done to death. Come up with some better material and you may make a more easily offended fur weep. Oh, and I know the guy in blue.
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#1401 - 11/03/07 11:31 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Do you not think that Americans can be polite? That we don't have societal standards? Do you think that everyone is from New York City or Boston or LA and are all dicks to one another? People in cities tend to be ruder, no matter what country you are in, because if they live in the city, they usually work in the city, their rents are higher, the cost of living is higher, which means they have to work more, and that makes them grumpy. This attitude you allude to Americans having is embodied by perhaps 1% or less of our total population. Everywhere else you'd go, you'd find shops and cafes where people there know your name, ask how your day is going, and in restaurants that you frequent, the servers already know what you'll be having. People hold doors for each other, will help someone out if their broken down by the side of the road. Americans are generally congenial people, especially in the South, Mid-and Northwest. Despite what you may read in the papers, we are also tolerant people. I know it's hard to believe, since common wisdom about us seems to be to the contrary. That we're all a bunch of foreigner-hating, gun-toting, tobacco-chewing rednecks that drive dirty pick-up trucks and yell "Yee-haw!". Yes, we have anti-discrimination laws that protect people in the workplace, at school, etc, to be sure they get equal treatment, fair wages, healthcare, etc. But do we need to impose fines upon someone for calling a black guy a nigger? Or a Muslim a towel-head? No, because people have become more tolerant of others and they are growing out of it, without government intervention. Evolving out of it, you could say. Are we not having a civil exchange of ideas right now? American to Brit? Are we calling you a prat? No.

As for displaying one's sexuality, there are ample opportunites across the country:
Gay Pride Parade San Francisco
Gay Pride Parade in San Diego
Gay Pride Parade Seattle
Gay Pride Parade Chicago
Gay & Lesbian Film Fest in Tampa
There are many more I could post links to, but I think you get the point.
Pretty much every medium and large city in the US have these, and they are large affairs, closing off entire sections of downtown with special parking. Not to mention the dozens of other ethnic pride parades held annually.
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#1402 - 11/03/07 11:48 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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Well said and I apologise if you took any offense not intended for you, and yes I agree it's not the entire nation that is to blame for any of Americas downfalls. I was in fact in a rather angry mood when writing the above post due to outside influences.

I just find this thread to be a rather distasteful attempt by a few people who have never had contact with the UK (or an extremely small level of contact) and want to prove that the US is top dog.

I have been to America. I've been to Florida twice (different areas) and I've been to New York. Sure I've not seen all of the country, it's pretty huge, but I didn't feel particularly welcome outside of tourist areas. I'll be heading to Pennsylvania next year and I hope I see a nicer side of the US.

I would like to see the UK not having the laws that it has in place for silly reasons but then a lot of the laws in UK are ignored outright anyway. I can't remember a single person ever being arrested for Blasphemy in the UK and that's a law I break pretty much daily.
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#1404 - 11/04/07 12:13 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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lol, no offense taken, I just wanted you to understand where I was coming from. Here is a video of a stranger saving a baby's life after being in a car accident--not trying to rub anything in, it's just a feel-good story: Good Samaritan saves baby

When you go to Pennsylvania, please go and visit Amish Country. The people there are very pleasant and welcoming, and very rustic. The Amish keep things the way they were when they first settled there, back in the 1700's. No electricity, no phones, no cars, not even buttons are permitted. What time of year do you plan on going? I'd recommend late October, that's the time when the maples and birches start turning, but the grass and other trees aren't dead yet. I'll post pictures from my visit to Ohio Amish Country just a few weeks ago. It was beautiful!

Yes, touristy cities are going to treat visitors like crap--like in Orlando, with Disney and Sea World and so many other attractions, visitors from across the country drive or fly (and rent cars), and have no idea where the hell they're going, their kids are running all over the place, and they're usually just as rude and inconsiderate to the residents as the residents can be back to them. It's like they expect to be treated like gold because they spend their money there. Grrr. Don't visit those cities!
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#1405 - 11/04/07 12:36 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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I'll be likely heading to Pennsylvania at the end of July, hopefully meet a few friends there as I have a few American friends who I talk to semi-regularly online or by phone that I'd like to spend time with in person.

Likewise, anyone going to the UK, Manchester, Liverpool and London are great places to go so long as you don't go to certain areas such as Toxteth in Liverpool, or Mosside in Manchester or London's East End. Expect to be stabbed in those areas... UK is far from perfect, and those are places to avoid like the plague. Other than that the UK is a welcoming and pleasant place generally. I throughly suggest going to Chester, a wonderful city.
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#1416 - 11/04/07 11:11 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
just find this thread to be a rather distasteful attempt by a few people who have never had contact with the UK (or an extremely small level of contact) and want to prove that the US is top dog.

I have been to America. I've been to Florida twice (different areas) and I've been to New York.


Florida is an odd case. Even the residents here consider Florida to be very private or cold. The problem is that Florida is a service industry economy. This means most jobs here are very low wage. Add to this the simple fact that the majority of people here are from another part of the country and don't really see Florida as "home".

The result is a very standoff-ish population. Its a bit of a shock when newcomers first see the "Blank stare" they get in response to a friendly "hello".

Its not a response to you being a tourist, they treat each other like that as well. When I moved form Texas to Florida, it was like entering an alien society.

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#1421 - 11/04/07 12:36 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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You're absolutely correct, Chris.

Most people who live in Florida are either snowbirds (people who live up north in the summer, and come down here for the winter), or transplants, like yourself, Chris. It's very difficult to feel a strong sense of community when everyone on the block is from different parts of the country, with different ideals and societal standards.

Take the workplace, for instance. I work with about 20 other people. Only 4 of those people were actually born in Florida--myself, my boyfriend, and two others. My coworkers' home states range from Nebraska, Ohio, South Carolina, Illinois, etc. True, most of them have been living here for the majority of their lives, but they still have regional dialects (people from Ohio pronounce "wash" as "warsh", South Carolinians have a pronounced Southern drawl). At the same time, because we're so used to visitors, snowbirds, and transplants, we tend not to be as insular as smaller towns might be. We have blacks, Latinos (mainly Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Mexicans), Asians (Vietnamese and Chinese), Indians, Greeks, you name it, and that's just in this state. If the occasion permits, I enjoy conversing with people from out of town or from other countries. They seem to be surprised to find someone pleasant to talk to, even if it's only for 5 minutes. The most painful thing for me to see in summer are the British tourists with such extreme sunburns they look like steamed lobsters. What do Brits have against high-SPF sunscreen? Makes me cringe, poor bastards.

Visiting Florida and New York is not a true example of what the US is all about. Tornado, I hope you have a better time in Pennsylvania!
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#1446 - 11/05/07 05:31 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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Well thank you, I hope that it can show me a side of the US that I've set to see then.

As for the sunscreen, the British DO wear sunscreen it just doesn't help because we're a very northern race.

London (which is very far south in the UK) is at a higher latitude than all of the US. It's at a higher latitude than all 3 of Ottawa, Toronto and Vancouver in Canada by more than 2 degrees and it's only 3 degrees below Moscow in Russia. Liverpool where I'm from, and Bangor where I live at the moment, are at the same latitude as Moscow. I have friends from Newcastle which is even further north again.

As you can imagine, when the ENTIRE British population are used to getting less sun than the major cities of Canada and Russia they tend to have little resistance to it. People don't realise quite how arctic the UK is because there's very little snow compared to Canada and Russia but that's only because we're an island. Sea water contains a lot of salt and salt stops snow form forming.

I had an awful time in Florida my first time when my legs burned. It was agony for 2 days, and I was wearing SPF 75 sunscreen. I saw SPF 30 on sale in the US, you rarely find British people using less than SPF 50 if they're leaving the country. I even consider using as powerful as SPF 120, but that shits expensive.
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#1788 - 11/12/07 02:30 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: Nemesis]
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And why is this all a bad thing. It means we have a more compassionate population and a nicer country. I'd rather not have gum on my shoe or cigarette butts all over the street, it makes the place less enjoyable to live

until this comment i thought you where a bit off and sheep like needing to fit in from your comments in blackdragons socitey and accpetance post and so forth even your autism thread had some points but still a wolf in some respects but after reading that one line and what it was in refrence to, i see your comment about being a wolf in sheep clothing is far from the truth you are a sheep in wolfs clothing in my perception ,and thank you msca tek for posting that, im appaled at how bad it has gotten their and had no idea expessically the first and last links, (in truth i saw the links befor opening them immeditly thought oh an american talking about living in a prison thats rich but fuck man you are right the amount they are contolled and acecpt it is mindboggeling)like somthing out of a sci-fi movie.back on track that slave mentality you have shown tornado is astounding and creepy and perhaps its that you have lived their all your life and have not felt anyhting but oppression to that degree. have you lived their all your life?if so i can kind of see how you would think that way, as its been pounded into you from a young age but a satanist should know better man.now every place is under the goverments thumb i realzie that, and this post was expessically an eye opener but to prasise and defend that oppresstion i cant comprehend.now i realize in posting this you wont listen to me anymore then you will listen to the others who posted and said mutch more convincing and eloquently put posts. insted of my, how could you praise and defend such a thing, but i was so floored by what you said and that mentality i had to add in my 2 cents
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#1789 - 11/12/07 04:39 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: rob_church]
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Ok, honestly, there is no oppression and you all know it. It's a few cases of news getting out of hand and if you look for it in any country you'll always be able to find weird laws and strange news articles that can be twisted to make a country sound worse than it really is. The UK is far from oppressed, I observe more freedom in the UK than I see in USA. A good example of this is I won't be beaten to death for burning my nations flag.

Oppression doesn't have to be based on laws and politics. We may have a few laws that seem petty like the littering laws but they're all there to keep Britain as it should be. A beautiful and pleasant place to live. Considering the overpopulation and industrialization in this country, that's something I support because without it this country would be nothing more than city sprawl. The oppression in other countries, particularly the US is from the population. In the US alone there are such high figures for racist crime, homophobic crime and other hate crimes. People are not free to express themselves because somewhere the population decided it was their "God given right" to never be offended by anything. Even the education system suffers with "Creationism" being taught in SCIENCE class. If that's freedom, I don't want freedom. I'm quite happy here as a subject under HM The Queen, because although I may not technically be "Free" I have more actual freedoms than most of the free world, and that is truth.

As you asked by the way. I lived in England until I was 17 and lived in Wales since. Both are within the UK so yes, I have always lived in the UK.
I have however traveled quite extensively. I've been to France, Spain (twice), Germany, Austria, Romania, Finland, Norway and USA (Florida and New York). I know what other countries are like, maybe not from the perspective of living there, but at a basic overview at least.
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#1792 - 11/12/07 07:54 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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ahh so what freedoms do you enjoy in briton that i dont in canada, where i dont have a cameras telling me what to do or the many other what i view to be a harsh oppressions on your freedom mentioned in this thread, i can burn my flag with out a beating, granted mabey not on rembrence day around some vets but any other time yes,we have gay marriage,internet piracy is a very gray area here, weed was almost decriminalized at least well on it way. perhaps not now that we have harper but still. im wondering what freedoms do you speak of that i in canada dont have?
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#1852 - 11/13/07 01:17 PM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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To be completely fair, you are correct.

Is mass oppression happening? No, But why should it?

The population is passive. It has become desensitized to all of it. The problem with books like 1984, and other totalitarian stories is that they will never happen. There is no need to violently oppress the entire population when you can make them happy and obedient about their bondage. This is easily accomplished through education, desensitization, and repetition. Programming, diet, and (if necessary) pharmaceuticals are all being used to dumb down, and pacify the population.

If you want to understand what the future will be like, read; “Brave New World” By Aldous Huxley

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#1877 - 11/14/07 06:42 AM Re: Aptly Named Thread. [Re: rob_church]
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Very few if any 'freedoms' are in the UK that are not present in Canada. Canada is one of the few countries I think I could happily live actually as I like the political standpoints of the general population. Remember, as people keep bringing it up, you can ignore the fucking camera. UK is more free than most, please prove otherwise, without using isolated news stories because they can be found for ANY country, they're not representative of what the whole country is like.
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#61335 - 11/12/11 06:45 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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I realize that this post comes to a long dead discussion but an important point can be illustrated here I think;

Do not base your opinions and thoughts on silly articles (Alex Jones? Really?!), especially not to the extent of labeling people "slave like". Far be it from me to defend something as collectivist as a nation and granted that I would love nothing more than to see real libertarianism injected into the national psyche (especially in terms of taxation and other economic issues), but a passive, docile place it isn't.

There are no cameras that shout at people, there are no "garbage police" and, lamentably given the rise of obesity, there are no "warnings" issued to the parents of fat kids.

People are generally free to live in whatever way they see fit. Freedom is not the issue here. The primary issue is that, due to the Labour government’s effort to "mother" the nation, we have children who know all the words to Britney's "songs" but who have never heard of Elgar or Debussy, we have world class museums closing because the nation is more interested in football matches and we have a culture that holds up the lowest form of "celebrity" as high achievement.

Again the problem isn't lack of freedom. The problem is stupidity.
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#61355 - 11/13/11 09:05 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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 Originally Posted By: MCSA TEK
UK Parents of Fat Children to get Warning

Well, it of course depends on what this warning is supposed to lead to if not followed up on, but the warning in itself I can understand. The question is whether failing to help an obese child eat and exercise properly should be considered parental neglect, as long as the obesity is not due to hormonal issues of any sort.

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The Government is concerned about the levels of obesity in this country. The latest Health Survey for England (HSE) data shows us that nearly 1 in 4 adults, and over 1 in 10 children aged 2-10, are obese.

I wouldn't agree that the weight of a child in itself should a be sufficient reason for child protection staff to get involved or even remove the child from the parents. However, at least to me, these are disturbing numbers and should not be underestimated. This is especially important when it comes to young children who are not responsible for their own lifestyle, and I think it is great that the Brits are putting focus on the critical role of parents in regards to this. Therefore I must say I don't consider giving parents some sort of warning (perhaps from health staff) an excessive measure to take, because the same thing would happen if the parents failed to address health issues of any other sort, and obesity cannot be considered anything less than a health issue for the child.

When it comes to the other examples provided, I can see that some might consider them excessive, and to some extend I agree. When it comes to the protection of children's health and welfare however, I do think parents should be held responsible, and I don't consider the Brits deluded for discussing different measures to take on this issue.

Edit: I see people are discussing freedom in regards to these issues, so I can just add that I do not consider jeopardising the health of your child a "freedom" one should have as a parent. If you want to jeopardise your own health, however, that's perfectly fine with me.


Edited by Vinter (11/13/11 09:13 AM)

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#61367 - 11/13/11 02:16 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: PrinceOfBabalon]
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I cannot ignore what Prince said about "silly articles" - afterall, he is a resident of the UK, which makes me more prone to listen to him on the issue.
Not everything we read on the internet is true- after all, I read countless "legit reports" on the new iPhone 4S and hardly any of them ended up having any truth basis.
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#61378 - 11/14/11 12:25 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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Well seeing as the Uk has a more "socialist" type system than the US it is no surprise that the government there would be taking such steps on a topic like obesity. It causes a domino effect of health problems that in their system society is going to have to pay for. So naturally they'd not want their money wasted because some kid shoved too many twinkies(don even have those there?) in their face.

Now one could make a rather successful arguement as to one's "natural right" to get fat if they so choose however again I would the most important point is the British socio-economic system. In such a system the citizens have well basically agreed to support each other and thus they have also chosen to surrender some of those "natural rights". In other words they have the right to get fat but they don't have the right for everyone to pay for them getting fat, in Britain that's how it would happen.

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#62009 - 11/29/11 08:25 AM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Meph9]
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Well, at least those poor deluded Brits aren't alone in their deludedness. Apparently, an 8-year old from Ohio was taken from his mom last month due to her failure in coltrolling his weight.
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#62025 - 11/29/11 04:31 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Vinter]
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 Originally Posted By: Vinter
Well, at least those poor deluded Brits aren't alone in their deludedness. Apparently, an 8-year old from Ohio was taken from his mom last month due to her failure in coltrolling his weight.


Well shit they should put that kid on a plain to America. His tubby ass will fit right in over here no problem. \:\)
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#62033 - 11/29/11 10:51 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Zach_Black]
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 Originally Posted By: blackzach
 Originally Posted By: Vinter
Well, at least those poor deluded Brits aren't alone in their deludedness. Apparently, an 8-year old from Ohio was taken from his mom last month due to her failure in coltrolling his weight.

Well shit they should put that kid on a plain to America. His tubby ass will fit right in over here no problem. \:\)


This is in America. Well what has become of it anyway.

"CLEVELAND, Ohio -- An 8-year-old Cleveland Heights boy was taken from his family and placed in foster care last month after county case workers said his mother wasn't doing enough to control his weight."


Didn't read the link? tsk tsk tsk

I wonder if MCSA_TEK is still kicking in the "planes" of Florida. ;\)

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#62152 - 12/03/11 10:32 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: ta2zz]
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An eight year old over 200 lbs. that in itself to me is insane...

As much as I find it to be a potentially dangerous precident that the government can decide to take away someone's kid because they don't the kid is getting healthy food I can't say the mother is doing her job as a parent. I mean 200 lbs. at that rate he'll well over 300 pounds by the time he's actually an adult...forget about his mid-20's because he'll clearly be dead by then. Sadly the people ie the tax payers will likely be fitting the bill for his pathetic eating habits

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#62153 - 12/03/11 11:04 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Meph9]
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 Originally Posted By: Meph9

Sadly the people ie the tax payers will likely be fitting the bill for his pathetic eating habits


They DEFINITELY WILL, as it now stands. The state has place the kid in Foster Care, and that is funded BY THE STATE. So as long as this kid is in Foster Care, and that can be until the child reaches majority at 18, it care and feeding and everything else will fall upon the taxpayers.
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#62186 - 12/04/11 09:57 PM Re: Poor Deluded Brits. [Re: Jake999]
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As I see the taxpayers actually would probably end up picking up the tab for the kid's eating habit either

Jake as you've said putting the kid in foster care means people of that state having to pay but I'd also submit that based on th fact that this mother actually let her kid get to sumo size at the age of only eight that this is a pretty good sign they're well not so smart. Thus that means they probably wouldn't have adequate insurance for junior's inevitable heart attack(s) so the government ie tax payers would end up having to deal with that as well.

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